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The 6 quakes ARE NOT near each other, not aftershocks.  There were hundreds of small aftershocks.  But these 6 earthquakes are 4.0+ quakes in different areas, literally surrounding Mirandola, Italy.

Why the discrepency between reports and Google Earth?

If Google Earth is presenting information correctly, there were 6 QUAKES surrounding Mirandola, Italy today.  Is anyone reporting all of these?   Beginning with the 5.8 quake, going east, then north the quakes shown are:

M 5.8, northern Italy
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 07:00:03 UTC
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 09:00:03 AM at epicenter
Depth: 9.60 km (5.97 mi)

M 4.7, northern Italy
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 08:25:51 UTC
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:25:51 AM at epicenter
Depth: 10.00 km (6.21 mi)

M 4.7, northern Italy
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 08:40:57 UTC
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:40:57 AM at epicenter
Depth: 10.10 km (6.28 mi)

M 5.4, northern Italy
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:55:57 UTC
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:55:57 PM at epicenter
Depth: 9.90 km (6.15 mi)

M 5.1, northern Italy
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:00:25 UTC
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 01:00:25 PM at epicenter
Depth: 10.00 km (6.21 mi)

M 4.4, northern Italy
Date: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 18:28:01 UTC
Tuesday, May 29, 2012 08:28:01 PM at epicenter
Depth: 13.10 km (8.14 mi)

I found these listed at this link, on page four.  If you click on Mag it will list by strongest to weakest http://www.emsc-csem.org/...

2012-05-29   10:55:56.0 44.90  N   10.99  E   2       5.5    NORTHERN ITALY
2012-05-29   11:00:24.0 44.91  N   11.02  E   10     5.0    NORTHERN ITALY
2012-05-29   09:30:20.2 44.71  N   10.98  E   10     4.2    NORTHERN ITALY
2012-05-29   11:07:08.0 44.91  N   11.01  E   19     4.0    NORTHERN ITALY
2012-05-29   11:10:37.0 44.69  N   11.32  E   10     3.8    NORTHERN ITALY
2012-05-29   09:29:38.0 44.98  N   10.94  E   2      3.6  NORTHERN ITALY
2012-05-29   09:14:08.0 44.86  N   11.02  E   11     3.5  NORTHERN ITALY
2012-05-29   10:27:19.0 44.54  N   11.11  E   2 3.5  NORTHERN ITALY

Here's the USGS List for 5/23-5/29, 2012

MAP    4.4    2012/05/29 18:28:01       44.950     10.981      13.1      NORTHERN ITALY
MAP    5.1    2012/05/29 11:00:25       44.916     10.934      10.0      NORTHERN ITALY
MAP    5.4    2012/05/29 10:55:57       44.859     10.991      9.9      NORTHERN ITALY
MAP    4.7    2012/05/29 08:40:57       44.853     10.990      10.1      NORTHERN ITALY
MAP    4.7    2012/05/29 08:25:51       44.814     10.948      10.0      NORTHERN ITALY
MAP    5.8    2012/05/29 07:00:03       44.814     11.079      9.6      NORTHERN ITALY
MAP    4.2    2012/05/25 13:14:04       44.860     11.142      10.0      NORTHERN ITALY
MAP    4.5    2012/05/23 21:41:18       44.802     11.296      9.1      NORTHERN ITALY

So, Google Earth doesn't match Centre Sismologique Euro-Méditerranéen.

These same 6 quakes are shown on Intellicast, which only shows quakes for a couple of days, so I wanted to include this record:

Map of Earthquake Zones, Italy:

Earthquake Zones, Italy

May 29, 2012 Quakes shown on map by the Regional Seismic Network of Northwestern Italy

Italy Quakes, May 29-30, 2012

Compare Google Earth with RSNN Italy

Quake Proximity

The May 29, 2012 quakes don't appear to be in an area that is known to be an active earthquake zone.

May 30, 2012 Article:  Cluster Quakes and New Risks.  Frequent, higher peaks. Why maps of earthquake zones should looked at in a different way

This means that the Po valley is the northernmost tip of the African plate and cannot therefore be considered immune from these events, although they are statistically less intense.

The area affected by the 20 May earthquake rose by as much as fifteen centimetres, as the Italian space agency’s (ASI) CosmoSkymed satellites have shown.

And since the Po valley was formed by marine sediment, it amplifies the effect of an earthquake.

But the question raised by INGV’s president Stefano Gresta remains unanswered.

Is there anything anomalous about the past year’s events?

Earthquakes are amplified in the Po Valley where Italy's largest gas fields are located.

These gas fields were already harvested by Eni.

Now the more difficult gas will be extracted, therefore fracking will also be amplified.

There is a debate about whether fracking can cause an earthquake or not.

Here are a few Research links about the earthquakes, the area, and fracking in the area:

Workers among 16 dead in latest big Italian quake, Mirandola, Italy
http://www.chron.com/...

In the vid in the diary above, Mirandola is in the center of today's quake cluster.

Po Valley Energy, an Australian firm is a key player in the new fracking exploration/extraction
http://www.povalley.com/...

Po Valley was the first E&P Company to bring new production to the Po Valley region since the end of the ENI-Agip monopoly and the liberalisation of the Italian gas market in 1998.

Po Valley Energy Gas Field Map
http://www.povalley.com/...

Geophysic Map of Potential Gas Fields
http://geophysics.geoscienceworld.org/...

March 13, 2012 Article
Texas-based BRS Resources has announced that it has began drilling on its exploration well in Po Valley in Italy. The well is a development well, targeting remaining gas resources in a partially deleted field, the company says.
http://www.naturalgaseurope.com/...

Po Valley Awarded New Licences in Italy

Italian earthquakes: 800 aftershocks in Emilia-Romagna and 'more to come'
Apennines movement behind 5.8-magnitude quake and other seismic events in north Italy, say experts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

Ok, Emilia-Romagna is a huge area.  The above-cited article is reporting damage in Modena which is IN THE MIDDLE OF the 6 Quake Cluster outlined in the vid above.

I purposely reserved an opinion on whether the quakes were frack induced.

The point of the diary was to demonstrate the earthquake cluster and I, too, wonder if this is an anomaly seeking an explanation in concert with Stefano Gresta, President of  INGV - Istituto Nazionale di Geofisica e Vulcanologia.

Speaking of which, INGV released a preliminary report for the 6.0 Quake on May 20, 2012:

INGV releases first preliminary report on the Finale Emilia earthquake, northern Italy

Some more information on Mirandola, Italy

Natural Hazards
 

Earthquake  20%   
Flood  0%   
Drought  0%   
Landslide  0%   
Vulcano  0%   
Cyclone  0%

Mirandola can have low impact (v or less) earthquakes (on average one every 50 years), with occurances at <5 Richter. When an earthquake occurs, it may be felt indoors by many people, outdoors by a few people during the day. At night, some people may be awakened.

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  •  I found the problem (7+ / 0-)
    There has been an uptick in gas exploration in the gas fields of the Po Valley, Italy

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed May 30, 2012 at 09:58:50 AM PDT

    •  Did you have a chance to watch the video? (5+ / 0-)

      6 quakes in different locations at different times all surrounding Mirandola where many lost their lives.

      Google earth automatically places quakes, but the earthquake report sites have been caught repeatedly changing reports.

      Something is not clicking.  I started charting this area after the 6.1 quake but never got around to making video.

      After yesterday, I felt someone had to report this.

      What is so very sad, is that gas companies from around the world, including US companies are fracking in the breadbasket of Italy.  Doesn't bode well for water quality.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:02:13 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Have you plotted the coordinates (5+ / 0-)

        from USGS onto a google map?

        We know that our Federal agencies and departments have been infiltrated by crony capitalists but can they change coordinates at USGS?

        Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

        by Horace Boothroyd III on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:09:49 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Earthquake data is commonly modified (7+ / 0-)

        as seismologists follow up and integrate data from numerous sensor sites.  Often the depth and exact location of the epicenter are different from what is initially reported by news outlets as the earthquake location.

        "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

        by lgmcp on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:41:11 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  CT "Caught repeatedly changing reports" (8+ / 0-)

        The USGS earthquake scientists don't give a damn whether Italy explores for gas but they do care about the accuracy of their data sets. The USGS will improve the locations of earthquakes based on additional information that may be used in improved analyses.

        The USGS has not been "caught".

        Please cut the paranoid CT crap. Some very good people have been banned from this place for posting CT crap like this. I suggest you remove all the CT from this post or just delete it.

        These earthquakes appear to be aftershocks to me but I haven't had the time to review the data.

        look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

        by FishOutofWater on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:57:41 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Oh but it must be true! (2+ / 0-)
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          lgmcp, FishOutofWater

          Because:

          We know that our Federal agencies and departments have been infiltrated by crony capitalists but can they change coordinates at USGS?
        •  Considering USGS data (2+ / 0-)
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          terrypinder, War on Error

          connects fracking waste water injection sites in Guy Arkansas, Ohio and Dallas Fort Worth to quake epicenters within 1.5 miles......... of the injection site....

          But I guess that data needs to be scrubbed... right?

          FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

          by Roger Fox on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:31:31 AM PDT

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          •  Lots of quakes in Guy which is about (0+ / 0-)

            a couple miles south of the fracking fields.  I wonder if those wells burrow under Guy?   I guess the state would have that information as I am sure the energy companies report where they drill.

            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

            by War on Error on Wed May 30, 2012 at 12:54:53 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  No (0+ / 0-)

              quakes in arizona we're literally on top of the injection well. no more than 1.5 miles and as little as 100 yards. I have the map would you like to see it?

              FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

              by Roger Fox on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:05:51 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  In your very own article you write (0+ / 0-)

                SUN JAN 01, 2012 AT 04:03 PM PST

                Ohio mag 4 quake, within 1 mile of injection well

                Ohio Dept. of Natural Resources is reporting that the December 24th quake in south Trumball country Ohio was within 1 mile of a fracking waste water injection well. 100's of last years Arkansas Guy Swarm quakes occurred mostly within a mile of an injection well situated on top of a fault. Recent Oklahoma quakes were 25-30 miles from any fracking waste water injection wells and are likely not connected, while the Mag 5 Virginia quake last year was over 75 miles from any fracking activity.

                Business Journal reports:

                "Information freshly obtained from the Columbia University scientists, and further analyzed by ODNR geological experts, indicates that an earthquake occurred on Dec. 24 approximately two miles below and within a mile of the injection site,"

                Thats the standard I use, 1 mile, Combined with the Arkansas USGS quote "Temporal and spatial relationships".

                I think the Guy Swarm has become the textbook case for fracking waste water injection wells causing quakes. Over 600 quakes in an 8 month period, over 250 epicenters within a few hundred yards of an injection well that was literally on top of a fault. See the link at the bottom of the diary for detailed information on the Guy Swarm.

                So, you seemed quite convinced in January that fracking injection wells COULD cause earthquakes.

                I agree; however, my dairy doesn't say fracking or injection wells caused Italy's earthquakes.

                Knowing there is an upsurge in fracking and the huge uptick in quakes in an area that is relatively seismic quiet merits asking and looking into any possible relation between fracking, injections wells, and earthquakes in this area of Italy.

                That said, is there a possibility that the shale oil and gas extraction will look differently in Italy than it does in the USA?

                It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

                by War on Error on Thu May 31, 2012 at 06:59:11 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  No. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Roger Fox

                  the principle is universal. There is NO POSSIBLE RELATION between fracking and earthquakes in Italy. NONE. NONE AT ALL. ABSOLUTELY NONE.

                  I suggest to you to find a community college that has a series of geology courses and take them.

                  Or, buy a used textbook on the subject matter.

                  Or just search google scholar where there are literally HUNDREDS of articles on the relationship between petroleum/mining extraction and induced earthquakes. The principle has been exactly known for half a century.

                  I'm struck by how the meanest, cruelest, nastiest people brag about how they live in a Christian nation. It's rather telling.

                  by terrypinder on Thu May 31, 2012 at 10:18:47 AM PDT

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                  •  Fracking injection wells do cause micro quakes (0+ / 0-)

                    Because the activity takes place in a strata that does not transmit seismic activity well, the quakes are not felt, and generally are only detectable by sensors placed in the shale strata etremely close to the section of the bore hole that is actually being fracked.

                    Maybe they should be called Micro mini quakes, as they are barely measurable.

                    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

                    by Roger Fox on Thu May 31, 2012 at 11:21:05 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

    •  Just for balance (3+ / 0-)
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      lgmcp, Bob Love, historys mysteries

      Here's the explanation they're giving in Italy:  according to geologists, it's the northern side of the African fault pushing against the Alps.  See graphic here (in Italian).

  •  Compelling data.... (5+ / 0-)

    yet, even when we look at this, and similar clusters of quakes in the UK, Poland, the USA, etc. - they powers that be will not halt this fracking process allowing further studies or better yet - stopping the extractions altogether.  There's big bucks to be made - so, damage to ancient structures, deaths of citizens - of little consequence to the greedy.

    "George Washington: "The power under the Constitution will always be in the people.... and whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their servants can, and undoubtedly will, be recalled." 1787

    by moose67 on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:04:09 AM PDT

    •  Italy is a sitting duck. Much more profitable (4+ / 0-)

      than US gas extracted via fracking.

      Who cares if this is an ancient bread basket that feeds millions of people.  

      There's $$ to be sucked from beneath the crops, a river nearby, and I think I see a sand pit near the 5.8 earthquake.  All that is needed are a cocktail of toxic chemicals, the companies in pursuit of profits justifying the means, and then a quick exit when they are dont befouling the area.  How do they look themselves in the mirror?

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:12:51 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Lets be clear (2+ / 0-)
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      SneakySnu, War on Error

      Fracking doesnt cause quakes that can really be felt. Fracking waste water injection wells have been linked to the Guy Arkansa, Dallas Fort Worth and Ohio quakes. All within 1.5 miles.

      since the Italian quales are spread out over 22 miles, I dont see how anyone would link these quakes to a injection well.

      Especially when no one here has any evidence of an ijection well in the area.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Wed May 30, 2012 at 12:04:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I couldn't find any (0+ / 0-)

        Nothing like the sprawling fracking fields in USA ND, UT, Arkansas.

        I did find this map of sites proposed back in 2007 by large Po Valley from Australia.  Big presence in Italy

        http://www.pesa.com.au/...

        Granted, I've only spent a few hours trying to find articles that would provide long/lat of wells with no success and a couple of hours scouring google earth.

        It's not transparent possibly because they are using old sites previously worked by Eni.  In USA you can easily see the scarred landscape from the huge new well fields.  Parts of US now look like swiss cheese.

        Let me know if you find any, K?

        Thank you

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Wed May 30, 2012 at 01:04:56 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  you know it is times like these, (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    War on Error, entrelac

    if the fracking is responsible in any way, that I desperately wish that Dante's Inferno really does exist in the hottest terms for those who knowingly destroy "The Commons."

    May they rot in the worst part of Hell!

    I belong to the “US” of America, not the “ME,$,ME,$,ME,$,ME,$” of America!

    by SeaTurtle on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:34:27 AM PDT

  •  I'm reccing this (1+ / 0-)
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    War on Error

    I think fracking/earthquake link needs more research. Beware though, it's only a matter of time before people come in a start accusing this diary of CT. Which it is not.

    •  There is credible evidence linking fracking (4+ / 0-)
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      War on Error, dotdot, T100R, zett

      to groundwater contamination.  This is a very real problem and should be the primary area of concern.  

      Seismic effects from fracking are at this point pretty speculative, though the subject merits further study.  Italy has been a hotbed (literally) of volcanic and earthquak activity since before Pompeii was buried.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:44:25 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I agree with you. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        lgmcp, War on Error

        However there are many here who refuse to acknowledge it.

        •  I haven't seen refusal here re groundwater (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          War on Error, T100R, zett

          problems.  Stories like this one are where we should focus IMO: Living on Earth:  Is Fracking Making People Sick?

          Re seismic effects, yes -- it is very premature to claim effects.  I'm sceptical there also, unless a lot more evidence emerges.  Since Italy is a poster child for active plate tectonics, it's not gonna be the best test case.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:29:18 AM PDT

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          •  I'm totally open to the idea of fracking (3+ / 0-)

            causing earthquakes, but I'd say this is not the case here in Italy.  Earlier I googled "Emilia Romagna fracking" and the Italian sites I turned up were nearly universal in condemning the idea that fracking was involved--and I'm not talking about government or mass media sites.  

            The indignation regarding fracking theories is summarized in this article in Corriere della Sera.  I'll just translate this part:

            And it's announced on YouTube that 'The earthquake in Emilia was provoked by geological exploration conducted underground where reserves have been brought to light in the search for fuel.  [Mario Monti's] government has made an agreement with Texan multinationals for this prospecting.'  Here we're dealing with the conspiracy of multinationals, as was theorized in the '70s, only this time with a spritz of environmentalism.  The technique of fracking is under accusation.  Fracking consists of injecting liquid in a rocky layer to create an internal opening.  It is used to increase extraction and the rate of recuperation of petroleum and natural gas contained in the reserve.  That means that there are hundreds of millions of barrels of petroleum in the Padanian plains and we never knew about them?  And how would this oil be transported to its destination in such a way that no one was aware of it?  By a secret pipeline?  In old Parmigiano wheels?

            E su YouTube annuncia: «Il terremoto in Emilia è stato provocato dalle prospezioni geologiche condotte nel sottosuolo dove vengono fatte brillare delle cariche alla ricerca di idrocarburi. Il governo di M. M. ha stipulato un accordo con multinazionali texane per queste prospezioni». Qui siamo al complotto delle multinazionali come negli anni '70. Solo con una spruzzata di ecologismo. Sotto accusa la tecnica del fracking o fratturazione. La fratturazione consiste nell'immissione di un fluido in uno strato roccioso per creare un varco all'interno. Lo si utilizza per aumentare l'estrazione e il tasso di recupero del petrolio e del gas naturale contenuti nel giacimento. Nella pianura padana ci sono centinaia di milioni di barili di petrolio e non ce ne siamo mai accorti? E il petrolio come verrebbe trasportato a destinazione in maniera che nessuno se ne accorga? Con un oleodotto segreto? Nelle forme di parmigiano rottamate?

            •  Dont waste your time (0+ / 0-)

              heres a map that shows there are no natural gas deposits within 30 to 40 miles.

              http://www.moneyam.com/...

              Use the Long Lat from the USGS

              http://earthquake.usgs.gov/...

              In yahoo or google maps

              And you'll find these quakes are 30- to 40 miles from any nat gas deposits.

              Fracking waste water injection wells cause quakes within 1 to 2 miles of the well, as in the Guy Arkansas, Dallas Fort Worth and Ohio quakes. All 3 showed quakes within 1.5 miles of injection wells.

              FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

              by Roger Fox on Wed May 30, 2012 at 02:23:18 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

          •  I found and added maps to diary re siesmic data (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            lgmcp

            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

            by War on Error on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:50:00 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  USGS has clearly stated a temporal and spatial (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        lgmcp, War on Error

        link exists in the Guy Arkansas, Dallas Fort Worth and Ohio quakes, all within 1.5 miles of a fracking waste water injection well.

        There is better than 20 yrs of research into fluid induced quakes. Hell they have even separated fluid induced quakes fron others in the same area by tracking the water flow thru the rock formation.

        FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

        by Roger Fox on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:36:17 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  And if seismologists reach similar conclusions (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          T100R

          about the Po valley, I'm open to their reports.    

          But it's objectionable to say the USGS was "caught" changing data when it is standard practice to update seismology inputs.  

          And when you say "needs to be scrubbed", you too seem to impugn the integrity of the very scientists who reached the conclusions you wish to cite.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:46:41 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  I think Roger was snarking. (3+ / 0-)
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            I'm struck by how the meanest, cruelest, nastiest people brag about how they live in a Christian nation. It's rather telling.

            by terrypinder on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:48:22 AM PDT

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          •  IMHO (2+ / 0-)
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            lgmcp, zett

            If there is a fracking waste water injection well with 1.5 miles of the Italian epicenters, one might have a case, but...

            These quakes are spread over a 22 mile area..... totally unlike the Guy Swarm which saw 300-400 of over 600 quakes centered within 2 miles of an injection well.

            Scrubbed, no I'm not. The data has been posted at USGS for years and has never been changed. Doesnt that make the CT seem 100% over the top, yes it does.

            I'm impugnning the CT, Oh gee, the USGS should have scrubbed that data........

            Get it?

            FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

            by Roger Fox on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:55:57 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

  •  USGS analysis of the earthquakes (1+ / 0-)
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    lgmcp

    look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

    by FishOutofWater on Wed May 30, 2012 at 10:48:49 AM PDT

  •  Really? REALLY? (6+ / 0-)

    The cause of the quakes is quite well known. It's caused by the continued collision of Africa into Europe. this collision zone is fractured into several different microplates scattered along the boundary from Spain to the Middle East. The Po Valley is formed by this collision as the crust flexes downward . This downflexing conceals the folds and thrusts that are a result of this collision. This downflexing is absolutely measurable via GPS monitoring.

    And you're going to say "oh, fracking did it." Um, no. In 1570, in the very same region, a cluster of earthquakes of likely almost the exact magnitude of the 2012 quakes occured. These quakes are entirely natural.

    The real shock here is how poorly prepared all of Italy seems to be in regards to seismic activity, despite almost several MILLENIA of written records telling them that "OMG GROUND SHAKES A LOT HERE OMG ALL OVER." I still can't get over that this area was NOT rated with a high seismic hazard until not too long ago. Japan did this with Northeast Honshu and we all know what happened there---by the time the increased hazard was noted, it was probably much too late.

    but go ahead and go "yeah, gas exploration did it." Maybe HAARP and Chemtrails did it too.

    gotdamb. scientifically illiterate progressives are as bad as the conservative ones.

     

    I'm struck by how the meanest, cruelest, nastiest people brag about how they live in a Christian nation. It's rather telling.

    by terrypinder on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:02:22 AM PDT

    •  In the link I've given above (4+ / 0-)

      the zone is in what is considered to be a relatively low risk seismic zone, and in fact a major earthquake hasn't happened there for something like 500 years.  

      I think it's unfair to say that Italy is poorly prepared for seismic activity.  There are strict regulations for earthquake-proof buildings.  Now, predominantly in the south, there is the problem of "abusivismo", or construction without a permit, leading to unsafe buildings.  In northern Italy, it is less of a problem.  However, in one of the most devastated areas, Cavezzo, I noticed that there were individual houses completely collapsed that were surrounded by buildings not only standing but in good shape.  So clearly there's a problem with people willing to buy houses that were not properly constructed.  

      When dealing with historic structures, it's a whole different matter.  Two churches collapsed and a number of late medieval and Renaissance-era towers collapsed.  There's not much you can do to save them without dramatically modifying the historical form of the structures.

      •  perhaps (2+ / 0-)
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        but modern buildings failed in L'Aquilla that should not have, and that too is a scandal.

        There was an article I read this morning, and I'll have to dig for it, that suggested preparedness is lax in areas like Calabria, which has Italy's highest hazard.

        I'm struck by how the meanest, cruelest, nastiest people brag about how they live in a Christian nation. It's rather telling.

        by terrypinder on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:24:57 AM PDT

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        •  Calabria is kind of a no-man's land. (3+ / 0-)

          It's not exaggeration to say that the region is run by the mafia.  It's impossible for the government to get anything done there.  First they have to root out 'Ndrangheta, then maybe they can control construction, never mind infrastructure.  

          Regarding modern housing, yes, there was a huge problem with abusivismo in the '70s and '80s.  I think there's still a trial ongoing regarding the Int'l Students dorm that collapsed and killed a number of kids in L'Aquila.  Then adding to the scandal of buildings not being constructed to code is the fact that Berlusconi's government did absolutely nothing to save the historic center of L'Aquila, which looks today exactly as it did after the earthquake struck.  

      •  Here's Italy's Seismic Map (1+ / 0-)
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        Earthquake Zones, Italy

        The area of the quakes is considered low risk according to this map.

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:34:21 AM PDT

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        •  and it's been noted (1+ / 0-)
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          that map was wrong, War on Error. Hazard maps can be wrong. The seismic hazard maps for the United States are, at present, under significant scrutiny as they too, may be wrong in some areas of the country. (They're also updated every few years and that's what's going on now.) Shall I pull up the pre-March 11, 2011 hazard maps for northeast Honshu? They'll show that region's hazard was also fairly low compared to the rest of Japan. Guess what? WRONG. We found that out the hard way and 20,000 people were swept into the sea.

          The Italian government re-evaluated this area in 2003 as moderate risk. So either their map you found on the internet is not yet updated, or you're deliberately being dishonest in an attempt to debunk me. You will fail. I spent much of my freetime reading geophysics and earth science journals. As a hobby. This is how I know you are continually and consistently wrong on many, many subjects. It's perfectly okay not to understand something but for vishnu's sake! Creationists use this 'veneer of veracity' bullshit tactic too and it's maddening.

          I'm struck by how the meanest, cruelest, nastiest people brag about how they live in a Christian nation. It's rather telling.

          by terrypinder on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:43:19 AM PDT

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    •  Fracking injection wells cause quakes (1+ / 0-)
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      generally within about 2 miles or less from injection wells, in tight clusters. The Italian quakes are clustered within 22 miles.

      http://maps.google.com/...

      SO there can be no spatial link.

      FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

      by Roger Fox on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:58:50 AM PDT

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  •  I've looked. It's a series of quakes on a zone. (6+ / 0-)

    The thrust fault caused by the compression of southern Italy into the Alps is breaking progressively. Note the series of quakes moves from e to w.

    http://www.ingv.it/...

    look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

    by FishOutofWater on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:18:24 AM PDT

  •  USGS info quakes with 22 miles (0+ / 0-)

    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:46:18 AM PDT

  •  oh, and quakes not being near each other? (1+ / 0-)
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    you do know that faults are in three dimensions? They're not a 2 dimensional trace in the earth. The "dots" being all over the map is perfectly logical.

    I'm struck by how the meanest, cruelest, nastiest people brag about how they live in a Christian nation. It's rather telling.

    by terrypinder on Wed May 30, 2012 at 11:47:28 AM PDT

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