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Unlike a lot of people, I didn't think an appearance by President Obama would have made much of a difference in Tuesday's Wisconsin recall elections. I didn't spend much time fretting or commenting about the DNC's lack of interest, either, though I can appreciate the passion and viewpoint of those who felt otherwise. They wanted President Obama here and they wanted a lot more support from the DNC. He decided not to. I'm over it, or at least I thought I was.

Today it's being reported by Amanda Terkel at Huffington Post (yeah, I know) that President Obama's campaign is using Walker's victory as a scare tactic to raise funds in other states.

OK, Mr. President. May I respectfully say that now you're just fucking with us cheeseheads?

I'm not angry or upset, and I don't suggest that anyone else should be. I laughed when I saw the headline at HuffPo.  I'll vote for President Obama again, but I do wish I could talk to him and ask him "Wisconsin? Really?"

Here is the text of the email. I have highlighted the portions that made me shake my head:

What just happened in Wisconsin wasn't an accident.
Republican Governor Scott Walker and his allies outspent the Democratic challenger nearly EIGHT to ONE -- and one of the most unpopular governors in the country managed to hold on.

This result is direct confirmation that all the outside money that's poured into elections this cycle can and will change their outcome. And it's exactly what could happen on the national stage unless we can close the gap between special interests and ordinary people.

Please donate $15 or more to support President Obama and make sure people, not special interests, decide this election.

Walker was challenged because he's spent the last year and a half promoting special interests and Republican ideologues while taking away a seat at the table for middle-class families. But when his job was on the line, those same interest groups repaid the favors -- and were willing to spend nearly eight times as much money as the Democratic candidate and his allies raised.

This is the playbook Mitt Romney used in primary after primary against Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich.

His ad buys were overwhelmingly negative, and he and his backers poured money into whatever state was next until they got the result they wanted.

Now, imagine this same scenario playing out again in Wisconsin in November, and in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, and the rest of the battleground states.

The other side has the money. They know they can buy the election if they spend it. And they are being told every day by Mitt Romney that he will do exactly what they want him to.

We can stop them.

Please donate today:

https: //donate.barackobama.com/Wisconsin

Thanks,

Jim Messina

Originally posted to Giles Goat Boy on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 03:36 PM PDT.

Also republished by Badger State Progressive, ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, Progressive Hippie, and German American Friendship Group.

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  •  Looking at all the navel gazing the past few days, (3+ / 0-)
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    flatford39, Supavash, Creosote

    here's my $.02:

    I think Obama and his people saw polling that suggested that people did not want a recall irrespective of their feelings for Walker.  

    That said, Buzzfeed has a video of DWS saying that the Obama campaign used its full machinery in WI

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 03:44:59 PM PDT

  •  You know, the fundraising game is... (13+ / 0-)

    ... whatever happens, you use it as a reason to ask for more money.

    If Walker wins, it's "We need more money because the bad guys outspent us 8 to 1."

    If Walker loses, it's "We need more money to keep the momentum going after our great victory in Wisconsin."

    If it was a coin flip, the fundraisers' response to the coin flip would be:  Heads = please donate as much as you can; Tails = your contribution is urgently needed.

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    by MJB on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 03:46:53 PM PDT

  •  Absolutely Disgusting (11+ / 0-)

    I'm sorry, but this is ridiculous. If the President truly believes the election result would have been different if both candidates had been on equal financial footing, he could have had a few fundraisers for Mayor Barrett and generated the necessary money to make things equal. That he's now using the candidate he neglected's loss to raise funds for his own campaign boggles my mind.

  •  each of those is a local race (5+ / 0-)
    Now, imagine this same scenario playing out again in Wisconsin in November, and in Florida, Ohio, Virginia, Nevada, and the rest of the battleground states
    I don't live there, not my problem. I'll tweet that I support the President. That ought to be enough.

    (he says, bitterly)

  •  Errr. (0+ / 0-)

    It's a fair point though, idn't it?

    You never trust a millionaire/Quoting the sermon on the mount/I used to think I was not like them/But I'm beginning to have my doubts -- The Arcade Fire

    by tomjones on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 04:07:08 PM PDT

  •  How would it have been if he had gone last Feb? (0+ / 0-)

    The same problem would have been there: If Obama had showed up out of support of the quorum denying state senators then Fitz Walker would have still pulled their maneuver in passing the union buster, and Obama would have looked less powerful than a governor.

    Obama came to Wisconsin to support Barrett when it really mattered: in 2010 before Walker was elected in the first place.

    •  Not the point here (6+ / 0-)

      as the fundraising letter isn't saying that he'll go to those states.

      It's saying:  Send money for the fights there.

      The obvious answer is that he ought to send Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.  For a flyby.  Not to bring money but to raise money from those states themselves.

      That's what Wisconsin got.

      And we were told there was no more that he could do.

      But aha! it turns out that he could have sent an appeal like this to help Wisconsin.

      Got it?

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 05:04:41 PM PDT

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    •  He said he would so he should have come. (5+ / 0-)

      He promised that whenever collective bargaining was threatened, he would put on his comfortable shoes and walk the picket line. He should simply have kept his promise to show the working class that they can trust them.

      Lots of other politicians showed up without any expectation they would single-handedly change things. They just came to show support and pitch in the best they could.

      It's not that big a deal whether he was here or not in terms of the outcome of the election, but he has made clear through his inaction that he is not very supportive of labor rights and the working class. He's not alone in the Democratic Party, which I think is a serious error in judgment, but that's his decision.

      All I ask is that he not fund-raise off of our tragedy that he decided wasn't worth his personal time to try to prevent. It's insulting.  

      "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

      by Giles Goat Boy on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 07:48:34 AM PDT

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  •  I don't think President Obama would have been (3+ / 0-)
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    able to do much in Wisconsin, but if he had gone, it would have been a huge to the people fighting the good fight in the rest of the country, because he came to a major struggle and stood proud.

    He should have gone for the rest of us in the other States. Doing so would have been a profound message for Democrats. Seeing the message is better than hearing the message and both seeing and hearing is a winning combination.

    Shame he followed his advisors advice and not his heart.

    Hope has a hole in it when Republicans come, bringing shackles and sorrow; branding their greed on the backs of the poor. - Wendy Connors

    by Wendys Wink on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 05:49:11 PM PDT

  •  They just need more money. They had internal (5+ / 0-)

    polling all along about those not wanting a recall people. Were we told and didn't listen? I saw a few comments here and there.

    These guys are campaigners and will use anything they can to raise money.

    I feel sad and down and can't smile these days, however, I am not going to take this personally, because  I would rather that he raise money.

    He would be wise to do an interview thanking us for our efforts, but I am not waiting for it.

  •  Well, I can understand your frustration (2+ / 0-)
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    cks175, Supavash

    but I don't think we have a lot of choice but to support him.

    And he did send his people in to get new voters registered.

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    by JamieG from Md on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 06:14:13 PM PDT

  •  A couple more items of note (9+ / 0-)

    from that e-mail:

    1.  Tom Barrett is apparently anonymous from here on out.  I guess if you lose, you become a nameless person as in "the Democratic challenger" and "the Democratic candidate and his allies" (which would not be the DNC).

    ~ and ~

    2.  Apparently unions don't exist either anymore because they have now been camouflaged as "while taking away a seat at the table for middle-class families."   There are a lot of union people in WI who are struggling to stay "middle-class" and who are in danger of falling into poverty.  

    Did somebody in the DNC or OFA draw up a list of "100 Ways to Insult Wisconsin Democrats"?!

    We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

    by 3goldens on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 06:39:18 PM PDT

  •  Just an FYI Giles--republished to (7+ / 0-)

    Badger State Progressive.  (Waaaah!  I miss ruleoflaw!)

    We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

    by 3goldens on Fri Jun 08, 2012 at 07:30:31 PM PDT

  •  Every Dem running for election this year wants his (0+ / 0-)

    help/fundraising. Obama has to stretch his schedule tight as it is to make it to enough fundraisers for himself. I can understand why the email is not what a Wisconsin Democrat wants to read, but understand that it obviously wasn't written for you. Maybe they should have programmed out Wisconsin from the email, but it also tells you that it's time to move on. Even if Barrett had won, he would have only been five months away from potentially losing Democratic control of the state Senate again. Time to get back to work.

    If it had been a close 2-3 point loss, I could understand why people would be bitter at Obama for not coming, but with the margin of loss Barrett simply wasn't ready to be competitive.

    •  You are able to be objective because you are (8+ / 0-)

      in a  Dem state. The letter is actually correct, this can happen anywhere.   When your way of life is threatened, then you don't feel so objective.

      I was at a middle school graduation yesterday. The Republicans were easy to spot, they were relaxed and happy. The Dems were easy to spot too. My area went 68-31, Dem, and people looked crushed. Some weren't even talking, just looking glum. People are very down. This is not something people will be able to "get over" quickly.

      My family and I have seriously discussed moving out of the state because of this.

      •  So many good people Wisconsin's lost over this. (1+ / 0-)
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        My neighbors are leaving the state at the end of the month.
        :-(

        If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. - Bishop Desmond Tutu

        by AnnieJo on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 02:07:51 PM PDT

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    •  So the excuse is: It's harrrrrd worrrrrk (0+ / 0-)

      to be the leader of the party.

      Now, where have I heard that before?

      "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

      by Cream City on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 01:26:10 PM PDT

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      •  What would your excuse have been? (0+ / 0-)

        Consider this: If Obama had come to WI and fundraised for Barrett, and the same thing happened on Tuesday night, you guys would have had a lot of people upset off at you for losing the election and making him look bad. Would you have thought that was fair?

        •  Consider how bad you make Obama look (0+ / 0-)

          in your comment.

          Wow.

          As for what others think of us . . . um, you may have noticed last year that we are guided by principle, not popularity.

          Others put popularity over principle.  Fine; their choice.  Just as it is our choice to then judge them for their choices.

          Wouldn't you think that is "fair" of us to do?

          "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

          by Cream City on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 02:19:48 PM PDT

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          •  I don't understand why you're more upset at Obama (0+ / 0-)

            than at your own state party. Was Obama supposed to turn around seven point deficit for Barrett? Back in 2010-11, quite a few comments from your state blamed Obama for the loss based on him being too polarizing, which was an argument for him to stay out of the state during quorum flight.

            •  False parallel. Nice try, but how do you know (0+ / 0-)

              whether I'm upset with my state party, or how much, as it has not entered discussion here?

              Hmmm, and I haven't been using this sig on our discussions of just that on other blogs.  

              So you're just making this up in a very poor and easily detectable attempt at deflection.   That's a debating trick that is just so juvenile that when I see it, I give up.  Bye.

              "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

              by Cream City on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 04:34:26 PM PDT

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            •  Old Irish saying: is this fight private or can (3+ / 0-)
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              anyone join in? I'm coming a little late to this diary but feel the need to respond. I'm fairly new to DKos. I'm a Wisconsinite who's has had the good fortune to be able to live abroad this past year. So I can't claim to have put in the blood, sweat & tears (well yes I have shed a fair number of tears) that Giles and the other Wisconsinites commenting here have put in. But I will support 100% the sentiments they are sharing.

              As Giles said, my sense is that most Wisconsinites aren't under any illusions that had Obama shown up, we would have magically won the election. In fact, I think most of us expected the Obama love way back in the beginning, when the $hit hit the fan, way before the recall was even a twinkle in our eye. I'll refer you to the "comfy shoes" quote at this point. Instead, the silence from the national party the last year and a half has been deafening. So I don't know that many were under the illusion that there'd be an Obama Hail Mary Pass to win the game.

              The distaste, I think, is this: Wisconsinites have been working their asses off this past year trying to salvage their children's education, save their jobs, drinking water, voting rights, natural resources, pensions, health insurance and dignity from their neighbors who like to call them lazy, overpaid, freeloading thugs. All while an extremely corrupt Governor plays eagle scout. The crap that the state legislature reamed out day after day (literally) was so mind boggling you couldn't keep up with it.

              Meanwhile we have a President who campaigned on very progressive ideas, on standing up for workers' rights who suddenly can't seem to find his voice on the topic. We all know that politicians say shit to get themselves elected. And that is one thing Obama has in common with Governor Eagle Scout. On top of all this, the irony is that there is much indication that Barrett was the DNC choice.

              I think we're tired of "our side" being the lesser of 2 evils. We're sick of lip service. We're sick of the politicians on who are too afraid to do the right thing b/c it might not poll well. We've had enough of Democrats being Republicans. Wouldn't it be great to have a politician with a backbone for once?

              So feel free to Monday morning quarterback--it seems to be the thing to do. But please don't be surprised you aren't hearing rah rah Obama on any of the Wisconsin diaries. They already gave at the office.

              •  I understand the last part, and thank you (2+ / 0-)
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                for the perspective. I probably shouldn't have weighed in on a conversation that was intended mostly for Wisconsin residents, understandably not in a good mood right now. I'll back off.

                (For the record CC, even though I'm far from your state, I donated plenty of money on all three elections you've  had over the last year. You're welcome).

                •  Thank you for doing that for us. (3+ / 0-)
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                  ddn, Cream City, wth

                  WTH said it better than I could.

                  Did you see the Harry Potter movies? Do you remember the part when the government was completely taken over by the dark side? That is a little how we feel. We have to live here.

                  We don't mean to be hard on you, it just isn't theoretical for us, we are living it.

                •  Thank you for trying to see the anger from another (3+ / 0-)
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                  perspective. I'll just say one last thing on the matter. It's a little like for the last year and a half we've had a governor who has been saying over and over and over and over that the sky is green. He has repeated this so many times that our neighbors are saying, "oooh, it's such a pretty shade of green" or worse "You're such a thug for saying the sky is blue." Trying to convince them what they should be able to see with their own eyes is futile.

                  Now, post-election, not only do we need to live next door to or go to work with and/or for the Green Skies for a Better America crowd who now feel emboldened to implement their "Indentured Public Servitude for a Greener Sky" initiative, we have to listen to a whole lot of lefties saying, "See, it's a good thing that the President didn't go to Wisconsin to tell the people the sky isn't green! That would have been so damaging to his re-election campaign." That the Pres didn't come is the least of our concerns.

                  Ok, I'm really ready to move on to a different subject.

                  PS. Thank you very much for your contributions. I understand why you bristle at the comments directed your way. You very much would have liked to see Walker go down as well. But please don't hold those contributions over our heads. I'm sure you're not, but the last comment to CC sort of comes across that way.

                  •  I get it. (2+ / 0-)
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                    stormicats, wth

                    That was probably inelegantly put. I mentioned it only to show that I cared and share your disappointment. I was trying to stick up for the president and understand where you guys are coming from. Didn't mean to come across as lecturing or insensitive.

              •  Thanks for the excellent summary (0+ / 0-)

                and welcome back to the ranks of the walking wounded from Walker.  You put well the daily, daily assaults that just left us feeling shellshocked, like walking wounded.

                Not, to be clear, wounded by Obama.  As you said, that was last year.

                This letter is not wounding.  It's just salt in the wound.  That's what others are not getting.  For another cliche, it's insult upon injury -- but the injury was last year.  And we're healing . . . but we will see if he has wounded himself.

                Btw, yes, re Barrett as the DNC choice -- actually, the White House (read: Obama, Rahm, et al.) choice, back in 2010.  They pushed out the sole Dem declaring for governor then, a Clinton supporter in 2008 who had to be punished for it.

                They pushed and pushed for Barrett to fill the spot, late in the campaign.  That was part of the problem in 2010 -- a late start to raise funds then, too -- although, of course, the far larger problem was for any Dem in 2010 nationwide, with the disaffection with Obama.

                Their push on Barrett to go for it again this time, and then to not come through with the funding, is unconscionable . . . in Wisconsin politics, anyway.  But then, that's why we know best what it means when it is called the Chicago Way.  And that's our polite term for it.

                "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

                by Cream City on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 08:57:17 PM PDT

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            •  Mike Tate wanted to time the recall Election with (1+ / 0-)
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              Cream City

              the November Prez election.  This would have linked us with the money of the DNC, OFA but our state was "told" that is not a good idea!

        •  Lead Milwaukee! A movement can not fail! (0+ / 0-)

          Campaigns do!

    •  10-1 with the DNC sitting on thei sidelines. Most (1+ / 0-)
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      Cream City

      of us want nothing to do with the National Dems and I have seen some drop out of life.....

      A big miscalculation from the DNC.  Am I going to advance the cause if no one is behind me?  We were abandoned!

  •  NOT 7:1 (0+ / 0-)

    The ratio was more like 2.5:1

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    The unions and other support groups poured a lot of money into the race.

    •  What does the 5 mean? (3+ / 0-)
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      Creosote, Cream City, ptanow

      If there was so much money from the unions and Dems then why weren't there any ads until the last week of the election?

      •  I see the 2.5 now. I see what you are saying. (3+ / 0-)
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        But that money wasn't available to Tom Barrett was it? He had something like 5 million to Walker's 30 million during the last month.

        We have all seen the maps of where the money was coming from for Gov. Walker. It was in the Milwaukee paper 3 weeks ago.  We know DailyKos  members donated a lot, us volunteers donated a lot and so did the DGA. We know Gov. O'Malley was here and so was Bill Clinton.  We know all this stuff. It was a nice surge at the end, but it was too late. Walker's months of advertising had already "worked".  We knew that , but held out hope anyhow. We showed up.

  •  Will Wisconsin Democrats be able to keep control (0+ / 0-)

    of the Senate in November? Without the Senate Walker cannot pass new laws.

  •  They're worse than us (2+ / 0-)
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    3goldens, Cream City

    is a crappy strategy. Dems are trying to garner support by advocating nothing. What this means is Obama has no policy counterweight to the insane Republican agenda.

    Maybe the Dems don't really oppose the Republican agenda and are masking support for austerity, deregulation, and privatization to placate their 1% donors.  

  •  I wish they hadn't done this. (5+ / 0-)

    I don't want to presume too much, since I don't live in Wisconsin and my only contribution to the recall movement was money, not blood, sweat, and tears.

    But it seemed to me that unlike much of what goes on in politics today, the recall in Wisconsin was true democratic activity by the real stakeholders - people who were actually harmed by the things Walker did.   Not that there weren't some highly capable and talented professionals involved, because there probably were.   But the passion for the movement came from the real tragedies, large and small, that Walker and his accomplices were inflicting.

    And it's tacky and disrespectful to just stone cold fundraise off a tragedy, particularly if you haven't reached out in some way, publicly or privately, to all the victims of the tragedy and let them know that you admire, respect and support them.

    Doesn't affect my vote or my donations - but it leaves me disappointed with the Obama campaign on this issue.  

    •  Focus on getting Tammy in the Senate (1+ / 0-)
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      My heart was broken Tuesday night.   Wisconsin is my adopted home state with my elder parents living in Janesville.  I couldn't watch much after OUR defeat especially the Ed Show which carried the defeat and utter disappointment viscerally.  I made phone calls, gave money to the Wisconsin Democratic party and did my level best from California to support this great uprising against a movement to take more from the middle class to give to the rich.

      My advice is to stop the finger pointing and channel our energy into getting Tammy in the Senate. Yes, we ALL could have done more.  I will not be critical of my fellow Wisconsinites who went out their trying their level best to alert their fellow citizens to a major problem sitting in their state house.

      This strutting little rooster has been neutered with the slow take back of a state senate that will not meet until the new year.  He is under investigation for criminal activity including an FBI investigation that may wind up indicting him for multiple crimes including obstruction of justice of a former aide, Tim Russell.

      Lastly, I'm having nightmares that Obama loses to another ambitious lier who will do nothing but destroy what's left of the country's middle class as President.  President Obama needs our help to get re-elected especially if ACA is deemed unconstitutional by a very politicized Supreme Court.

      Recalls are never easy and I can tell you after a nasty recall of a sitting Governor of California who was removed from office for purely political reasons, it leaves a bitter divide.

      Unless you really do want a President Mitt Romney with a Senate leader McConnell and Boehner with another term, please put the energy into Baldwin's campaign.

      •  Can't do that. (6+ / 0-)

        I love Tammy, but I'll be focused entirely on state Senate and state Assembly. Those are the immediate threats to my family.

        "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

        by Giles Goat Boy on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 08:03:12 AM PDT

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        •  The November elections shouldn't be as uphill, (1+ / 0-)
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          should they? I mean if it is true that Obama is popular here, then some people will vote Dem for the whole ballot?

          GGB- Do you believe that people voted for Walker because they were against recalls, but otherwise don't like Walker and do like Obama?

          I have a hard time accepting that idea.

          •  With the secretly devised redistricting... (4+ / 0-)
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            ...plan in place for November, it will be a struggle to retain the Senate and/or capture the Assembly.

            There were some who were against the recall, and some who believe in recalls but didn't feel Walker's behavior met the threshold (I assume out of ignorance.) I can see that some of those people would also approve of Obama.

            Then there were those who would vote for Hitler if he had an R after his name. Add them all up and Walker gets a few more votes than last time, but that was enough.

            I have my "I Told You So" sign ready for when Walker is indicted.

            "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

            by Giles Goat Boy on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 12:37:53 PM PDT

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          •  The Kochs, et al., are not done with Wisconsin (1+ / 0-)
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            rosarugosa

            and will pour in money to take back the state Senate, bet on it.  But we have shown that they cannot succeed in all of their aims when they have many races to fight at once.

            We could not have won back the state Senate seat that we did win this year without the focus on the statewide race, its impact with Barrett's stops in Racine, etc.  

            We can expect to have the focus on some state Senate seats again, and perhaps lose some -- but that will help us win others.  

            And, above all, we will not be fighting this outsider, Koch-manufactured assault on our state constitution, i.e., the races in November will not be recalls.

            Well, we won't call them recalls, anyway. :-)

            "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

            by Cream City on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 01:33:43 PM PDT

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        •  Local Counts! Canvassers will be for State (1+ / 0-)
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          Cream City

          offices.  DNC can hire out for Federal!

        •  Giles, I am absolutely with you on that (1+ / 0-)
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          rosarugosa

          as all politics are local for us now in many ways, without support from national leadership.  

          However, I never will forget the support of our friends nationwide who have been with us here on DKos.  They re-energized me on many a difficult day -- as did you and others here from within our state.  Thank you.

          "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

          by Cream City on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 10:28:02 PM PDT

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      •  Welcome to Wisconsin! (0+ / 0-)

        and I love your sig.

        May the spirit and tenacity of Lucretia Mott be in all of us now. . . .

        "Let all the dreamers wake the nation." -- Carly Simon

        by Cream City on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 01:29:03 PM PDT

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