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  •  Where was this fire six monthes ago? (4+ / 0-)

    GTo Obama, I just wish you had started sooner.

    The nation we save from Republican sharpsters will be our own. We need a Democratic Congress, and to reelect President Obama....this won't be easy...we better get started NOW!

    by boilerman10 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 03:37:41 PM PDT

  •  great (6+ / 0-)

    we can't wait...for more tax cut extensions.

    wonderful.

    we've lost the argument.

  •  Leadership in action! (4+ / 0-)
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    james321, SueM1121, Nedsdag, dkosdan

    Now is the time to call the repubs on their stupid "kill the economy to win the election stance.

    Let them have it Obama!!

    Constitutions should consist only of general provisions; the reason is that they must necessarily be permanent, and that they cannot calculate for the possible change of things. Alexander Hamilton (1755-1804) Just A Real Nice Guy, thinking out loud.

    by arealniceguy on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 03:41:21 PM PDT

  •  'Teachers, firefighters, police officers' ChckMate (7+ / 0-)
    •  was it (4+ / 0-)
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      demgem, apimomfan2, buffie, james321

      "checkmate" in Wisconsin?

      never underestimate the ability of the rich to get the poor and middle classes to fight amongst themselves.

      •  I think Checkmate is a reference to Romney's (4+ / 0-)

        comment yesterday where Romney said:

        “He says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government and help the American people.”

        For me, Mitt reminds me of Jeff Bridges in Starman. He's like an alien that hasn't read the entire manual. You know, he's going, "Nice to be in a place where the trees are the right size." -- Robin Williams on Letterman 26 Apr 2012

        by hungrycoyote on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 03:57:29 PM PDT

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        •  Yet Somehow, In The End, Mankind HAS Progressed (0+ / 0-)

          Have they not?

          Yes, the eternal struggle continues, but progress ALWAYS wins in the end. You. Can't. Stop. Progress.

          You can slow it down. But you can't stop it.

          This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

          by Beetwasher on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 04:08:11 PM PDT

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          •  Sorry, Meant that Reply To The Above Poster (0+ / 0-)

            n/t

            This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

            by Beetwasher on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 04:10:22 PM PDT

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          •  ok (2+ / 0-)
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            yet another liberal, apimomfan2

            but it can be a long, long time (see: fall of the Roman Empire until the Renaissance) or be REALLY bad (see: rise of fascism and WWII)

            •  And Yet, Here We Are, Conversing On Computers (0+ / 0-)

              Despite the fall of the Roman Empire and WWII.

              And thanks to computers, progress is accelerating, information is shared more widely, and the truth has a tool it never had before.

              This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

              by Beetwasher on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 06:52:31 AM PDT

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              •  again (0+ / 0-)

                overall march towards progress does not preclude periods of horrible regression. don't ignore possible regression because on longer timescales there's progress. those periods of regression cause real suffering.

                •  I Assume You Have A Plan To End Suffering? (0+ / 0-)

                  Welcome to the human race.

                  So until all suffering is ended, we should ignore progress?

                  This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

                  by Beetwasher on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 08:43:12 AM PDT

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                  •  wow (0+ / 0-)

                    having fun beating on that straw man you created?

                    I never, ever said anything along the lines with "we should ignore progress".  

                    Rather, I am saying that there is real, preventable suffering going on, and we shouldn't gloss over that when we can do things to help that, that's all. it's not a deeply insightful or ground-shaking sentiment, and I'm not sure why you are fighting me on it.

                    •  It's Your Strawman (0+ / 0-)

                      Since it was you who decided that my observation about progress meant I was ignoring possible regression.  Yeah, its pretty stupid to do that shit.  Glad you finally realized it.

                      This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

                      by Beetwasher on Mon Jun 11, 2012 at 03:28:56 PM PDT

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  •  Be sure to check out the New Ad (3+ / 0-)

    from the TRUTH TEAM in response to Romney yesterday. If you have a bandwidith issue, I've just transcribed it in a diary.

    For me, Mitt reminds me of Jeff Bridges in Starman. He's like an alien that hasn't read the entire manual. You know, he's going, "Nice to be in a place where the trees are the right size." -- Robin Williams on Letterman 26 Apr 2012

    by hungrycoyote on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 03:49:31 PM PDT

    •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

      If I'm a republican or otherwise fiscal conservative-minded kinda person, I don't think this ad is going to attract me to Obama or even away from Romney.

      It reeks of playing the "cops, firefighters, teachers" card for those that see reducing government as an important issue.  

      Personally, I'd like to see the Obama team going after Mitt's past and ventures and flip/flops.  That will play FAR better than this.  But, that's just IMO, of course.

      - If you don't like gay marriage, blame straight people. They're the ones who keep having gay babies.

      by r2did2 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 04:06:24 PM PDT

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      •  They should go after him on all of it, but (0+ / 0-)

        they need to hang on to this one and play it as much as they can.

        Do you ever read the comments on videos over at YouTube? Check out the comments on the video of just Romney making his case about the lesson from Wisconsin.

        I've been reading them all day, and have yet to see one comment defending Romney on this one. Now if it were a video attacking Romney on Bain, I'm sure I'd see Republicans in there defending capitalism. How can they defend Romney for wanting to lay off more Americans (teachers, policemen, firefighters) in order to continue to shrink government?

        There's been no comment about it from the Romney campaign. It was really smart of President Obama's Team to jump on this one. They need to keep hammering Romney on this all the way until November!

        For me, Mitt reminds me of Jeff Bridges in Starman. He's like an alien that hasn't read the entire manual. You know, he's going, "Nice to be in a place where the trees are the right size." -- Robin Williams on Letterman 26 Apr 2012

        by hungrycoyote on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 04:31:06 PM PDT

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        •  it fascinates me to watch this ad (1+ / 0-)
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          hungrycoyote

          because (not being a tv watcher) up until now I had only READ Romney's comments.  Seeing him make them, with people applauding his message, is otherworldly.  Does he bring those people--the same ones who cheered for letting the uninsured die, who cheered for an electrified fence on the US/Mexico border, who booed an active duty gay soldier--with him on the stump?  Or are there clueless, heartless GOPers everywhere?

          Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

          by SottoVoce on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 04:39:26 PM PDT

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          •  They're everywhere, and on top of that, (0+ / 0-)

            one of the comments on the video was (paraphrasing), "why are there only white people standing behind Romney in all his videos?"

            For me, Mitt reminds me of Jeff Bridges in Starman. He's like an alien that hasn't read the entire manual. You know, he's going, "Nice to be in a place where the trees are the right size." -- Robin Williams on Letterman 26 Apr 2012

            by hungrycoyote on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 04:47:16 PM PDT

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            •  I guess that question could be asked (0+ / 0-)

              why there were only white people in pics at the NN.  

              We should leave stuff like this out, imo.

              - If you don't like gay marriage, blame straight people. They're the ones who keep having gay babies.

              by r2did2 on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 05:00:41 PM PDT

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              •  Wow! I hadn't seen any picks from NN, but (1+ / 0-)
                Recommended by:
                apimomfan2

                you're right.

                For me, Mitt reminds me of Jeff Bridges in Starman. He's like an alien that hasn't read the entire manual. You know, he's going, "Nice to be in a place where the trees are the right size." -- Robin Williams on Letterman 26 Apr 2012

                by hungrycoyote on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 05:16:46 PM PDT

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      •  They always want to "reduce" government (0+ / 0-)

        by starting with your wallet and savings accounts.

  •  To Congress: (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    apimomfan2, Nisi Prius

    Dearest Congress:

    We cannot wait.  Please enact legislation which will :

    --  Repeal NAFTA

    --  Repeal Obama's Free Trade Job Outsourcing with Columbia

    --  Prevents Obama's promised Free Trade Job Outsourcing Deal (rivaling NAFTA in size according to Obama) with Asia-Pacific Countries

    --  Repeals the Tax Cuts for the 1%

    --  Repeals the linking of Social Security to the General Fund (thereby exposing it to charges that it increases the Deficit, which it now does, thanks to Obama)

    --  Repeals the Patriot Act (which Obama publicly called for)

    --  Pass a law which requires Banks receiving Tax Payer Bailouts (in the future of course) to limit executive compensation to One Million per year

    --  Pass a law which requires public notice on the White House website when the Labor Department revises its formulae for calculating the number of American unemployed

    --  Pass a law which requires the President to publish how many times the order has been given to terminate "terrorists" who are American citizens

    --  Pass a law which requires the White House to identify how many times it intercepts communications of American Citizens without a court order

    Congress, we cannot wait.

    Thank you,

    A Concerned Citizen

    PS:  I will completely understand if the Congress demurs to act, citing separation of powers and that they can't interfere with another branch of government.

    /snark

    The 1% Feast on Results while the 99% Starve on Rhetoric They Can Believe In.

    by Johnathan Ivan on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 04:06:53 PM PDT

  •  Tell Republicans in Congress we can't wait, (1+ / 0-)
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    dp

    and tell them if you make us wait any longer, your asses are gonna be voted right the fuck out of office!

    Straight talk Mr. President, of course without the profanity, although there are less offensive substitutes you could use.

    Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense. Carl Sagan

    by sjburnman on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 04:15:56 PM PDT

    •  That's exactly right (1+ / 0-)
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      sjburnman

      REPUBLICANS in Congress!

    •  I'm sure each member of Congress... (0+ / 0-)

      ...has done the calculation to determine what they think they should/need to do to prevent their asses from being voted out.

      The President simply claiming their calculations are wrong doesn't seem very persuasive. He needs to support it with data such as recent polls and election results which the Congresspeople missed (if there are any).

      It's possible, BTW, that moderate/independent voters may be turned off by Obama threatening to get Congresspeople kicked out of office. I suspect most of these voters figure it's their business, not the President's business, to decide who to vote in/out of Congress in their state and district.

      •  The President would only be encouraging (0+ / 0-)

        voters to contact their Republican members of Congress to remind them of exactly what the consequences of their continued inaction on meaningful job restoration/creation legislation would be; getting voted out of office!

        IMHO your take on my previous comment was just a bit off base, but I guess maybe I just didn't express myself clearly enough.  That's not to suggest I did any better this time either, but whatever.

        Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense. Carl Sagan

        by sjburnman on Sat Jun 09, 2012 at 07:11:22 PM PDT

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  •  We Can't Wait (0+ / 0-)

    for a great many things that this President and Congress are not going to do:

    - Accountability for those office holders who took us into an illegal war of aggression in Iraq.

    - Accountability for those who authorized the use of torture.

    - Accountabilty for the wide spread systemic and ongoing fraud on Wall Street.

    - Accountability for the summary execution of American citizens without any due process anyone would have recognized 15 years ago.

    In general, dusting off the quaint notion of the Rule of Law and making it a reality in this nation again.

    The Democrats like the Republicans more than they like me. - Christopher Cooper

    by Wahrheit on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 01:41:55 AM PDT

  •  R's respond -- domestic energy instead of teachers (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think they mean renewable fuels, we all know it means fossil fuel, what little and ugly there is left around here. By the way, has anyone gotten a societal dividend for the record profits the fossil fuel industry has had in recent years, that is, other than stock holders? ... Yeah, didn't think so. I'd rather listen to the informed recommendations of Krugman when it comes to matters of the economy and President Obama is doing that -- rehire the teachers and other civil servants to turn the economy around, embark on major infrastructure overhauls (which we did to a little extent in the first stimulus, I would hope, this time around, including further shifts toward renewable fuels), these measures will actually grow the economy. For the kids, I hope you get your education and opportunity, that seems fair and right to me. Meanwhile, read "End This Depression Now!" by Prof. K.

    "O you can't scare me, I'm sticking to the union" - Woody Guthrie from Union Maid

    by dkosdan on Sun Jun 10, 2012 at 02:17:57 AM PDT

  •  Congress' response to "we can't wait" (0+ / 0-)

    "But wait you will."  

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