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The same legislation that was supposed to make it impossible for Chicago teachers to strike also laid the groundwork for the nearly 90 percent support for a strike. And now Stand for Children, the corporate education group that pushed through the Illinois legislation is trying to do the same thing in Massachusetts.

The groundwork was laid for the Chicago strike vote when Stand for Children helped elect a set of Illinois legislators supporting an anti-collective bargaining, testing-based education proposal, giving Stand the "clear political capability to potentially jam this proposal down [the teachers unions'] throats," in the words of the group's executive director, Jonah Edelman. Edelman then used this leverage to get Illinois teachers unions to negotiate a slightly less terrible deal than the threatened "jam it down their throats" one. The final deal prohibits teachers from bargaining over the length of the school day or school year, gives principals the power to hire and fire teachers without much consideration for seniority, and in Chicago—but only Chicago—sets a strike authorization threshold of 75 percent of all teachers, not the 50 percent required in the rest of the state.

Edelman subsequently spoke at the Aspen Institute about how exactly Stand for Children achieved this coup, being more blunt than he probably would have been had he realized video of his speech would become public. Stand was able to split the Illinois Education Association, a National Education Association affiliate, from the Chicago Teachers Union, an American Federation of Teachers affiliate. According to Edelman:

We came with a fallback for binding arbitration when we saw that the Illinois Education Association was willing to do a deal, and just focus on Chicago. They interestingly pressured the Chicago Teachers Union to take the deal. Karen Lewis, the head of the Chicago Teachers Union, who’s a die-hard militant, was focused on maintaining her sense of her members’ right to strike. Her sense was that binding arbitration was giving away the right to strike. But our next proposal, our next best, which was a very high threshold for strikes, for whatever reason, tactical miscalculation on her part, was palatable.
Lewis may have made tactical miscalculations, but so did Edelman. Because he thought it would be impossible for Chicago teachers to strike:
We knew that the highest threshold of any bargaining unit that had voted one way or the other on a collective bargaining agreement, contract vote was 48.3%. The threshold we were arguing for three quarters. So in effect they wouldn’t have the ability to strike even thought the right was maintained.
Threshold: met. But Edelman wasn't stopping with Illinois. In his Aspen Institute speech, he went on to say identify Massachusetts as a state he'd be targeting, saying "Massachusetts, very similar. It might be a ballot measure in Washingon, it might be we have a measure on the ballot, and we use it as a lever in Massachusetts. It’ll look a little bit different, but it’s essentially the same."

And so it has. Under threat of a Stand for Children ballot measure that would make it easier to fire teachers based on an unproven evaluation system, the Massachusetts Teachers Association, the state's largest teachers union and a National Education Association affiliate, has negotiated a deal with Stand. The deal, which must pass the state legislature by July 3 for Stand to withdraw its ballot measure, is being opposed by the Massachusetts AFL-CIO. By all accounts the MTA, led by President Paul Toner and Vice President Timothy Sullivan, negotiated a better deal than did the Illinois Education Association, but the end result is that Stand has come to a state that has, by many measures, some of the best schools in the nation, and used the threat of bringing its corporate-money resources to pass an initiative that would be truly terrible for education quality and for teachers' jobs to get a teachers union to cut a deal that's still, let's face it, not very good.

Stand for Children isn't stopping in Illinois and Massachusetts—why would it, when it succeeded in those very blue states with so little struggle? Not just unions but parents and students need to be ready to put up a fight in the next set of states Stand targets. Maybe in the end, negotiation will be the path to the best outcome. But you're a lot stronger going into a negotiation if you've already let Stand know you're ready for a fight. Letting them wage the public battle while you silently bargain lays the groundwork for defeat from the beginning.

(Disclosure: My father, Dan Clawson, serves on the board of the Massachusetts Teachers Association. His take on the process leading up to the announcement of the MTA's compromise with Stand for Children is here.)

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 02:29 PM PDT.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement, Progressive Hippie, German American Friendship Group, and Daily Kos.

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  •  What can you say. I won't be sorry to see the (1+ / 0-)
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    Chicago connections leave government.

    MA Killed collective bargaining on health care cost last year.

    I think I'll sit on my hands in November.

  •  I read your father article along with a few more. (4+ / 0-)
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    Mostel26, grimjc, Tentwenty, emal

    This really can't be sugar coated. The democrats are every bit as bad as the republicans on this.


    •  Indeed, the assault on teachers in this (2+ / 0-)
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      country is bipartisan at this point.  Although the GOP has much harsher rhetoric the Dems are perfectly fine with union busting.  At some point this is going to come to a head.  The tension between Unions and the Dems is not sustainable.  Unions aren't stupid, although I wonder about some of the leaders sometimes at this point.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:03:41 PM PDT

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  •  I'm disgusted with the MTA (2+ / 0-)
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    Nothing more to say.  They are naive enough to think that Stand isn't stopping in Mass., never mind the rest of the country.  The MTA cut a deal with the devil and sold out on its members.  

    •  Agreed (2+ / 0-)
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      corncam, AoT

      I belong to the IEA. It was bad enough that our leadership made such obvious mistakes, and it is frustrating to see somebody else repeating our mistakes.

      "H.R.W.A.T.P.T.R.T.C.I.T.G -- He really was a terrible president that ran the country into the ground."

      by Reino on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 07:31:20 PM PDT

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  •  I am also disgusted with the MTA (2+ / 0-)
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    Laura Wnderer, Mostel26

    because its membership should be voting on whether to cut a deal or not with Stand...not just the leadership!

    The back room deals without full membership voting upon them is longer trust MTA! Not. Happy!

    The Plutocratic States of America, the best government the top 1% and corporations can buy. We are the 99%-OWS.

    by emal on Tue Jun 12, 2012 at 06:07:08 PM PDT

  •  I have yet to see the argument made... (4+ / 0-)
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    ManhattanMan, wsexson, AoT, skyounkin

    Wherein it is said:

    Look, school for the kids is going to cost X. If city hall is coming up short, then city hall has to go to where the money is and collect enough to cover X. Now, we all know where the money is, it's with those supposed 'job creators' who aren't creating jobs, who are just sitting on their piles of cash doing nothing. So go get the money, because the great majority of us want school for our kids.
    It. Is. That. Simple.
    When am I going to start hearing that? Not soon enough.
  •  Go Chicago teachers! (4+ / 0-)
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    I've been paying attention to Chicago school "reform" for 15 years now. It's a travesty. I don't understand why you'd put a school district under control of a mayor, or then allow policy to be bought by out-of-state corporate education interests.

    Families with influence are able to buy/game the system to get their kids into the few spots in "good" schools while everyone else is left to scramble for the leftovers. Even in decent neighborhood schools in good neighborhoods, kindergartners are in classes of 30+ (to one teacher). The idea that doing more of the same thing will improve anything is a cruel joke.

    I know Chicago teachers. They want schools to get what they need to do a good job (starting with basic, obvious stuff like class size and infrastructure) because they care about the kids and the families they serve. It sickens me that union-busting is positioned as "for the kids," when all of the evidence tells us that is not at all what the public-school-killers are after.

  •  stand for children was the slogan (1+ / 0-)
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    of Children's Defense Fund.  I remember marching with them back in the 90's to stop budget cuts that were hurting kids in public schools.

    Now it's a slogan for budget cuts that are hurting kids in public schools.

    Oh, wait,  the total budget goes up... that's how they pay the consultants for their suits.  My bad.

    It's not a fake orgasm; it's a real yawn.

    by sayitaintso on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 07:16:13 PM PDT

  •  Teachers should NOT... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...have the ability to negotiate over the length of the school day and the school year.

    These things should be determined by the educational needs of the children and the ability of the parents of the community to find affordable child care.

    Once that's determined, all else salary, benefits, etc., should be negotiated through the union.

    •  They go hand in hand with your list (7+ / 0-)

      If the district wants to lengthen the school day and year, they should compensate the teachers for the extra hours and days they work.

      Therefore, if salary is negotiable - then clearly the teachers should have a say in the determination of day length and year length.

      And its silly to think that teachers don't have the "educational needs of the children" in mind when they negotiate.

      •  Please read my response... (1+ / 0-)
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        Christin Reino's comment.

        But the short answer is nobody thinks that teachers have the, "educational needs of the children in mind when they negotiate" when the first thing the put on the table is an hour-per-day, or a week-per-year of instruction time.

        Two days ago NYC schools had a (union negotiated) Professional Development Day. One million kids needed to be picked up at noon. One million families had to miss a half day of work, or scramble for child care.

        That kind of stuff doesn't make political allies. Do the Professional Development on Saturday, please. Then when the strike comes (and there needs to be one) people will be with teachers instead of against them.

        •  So you think the teachers should put in (4+ / 0-)
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          even more unpaid overtime?  Of course, if you actually paid teachers for all the time they spend outside of when they get paid hours then you rack up a pretty huge bill.

          That kind of stuff doesn't make political allies. Do the Professional Development on Saturday, please.
          Yup, the answer is always more unpaid overtime.  God forbid teachers take a half a day out of a year to work on development.  I mean, fuck them.  It's not like they work way harder than anyone gives them credit for.  No, they just need to suck it up and take more unpaid overtime because otherwise we'll really fucking punish them.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:45:37 PM PDT

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          •  Nooooo! (0+ / 0-)
            So you think the teachers should put in even more unpaid overtime?
            They must negotiate for fair wages. But they must make the negotiations about pay increases not about school-time decreases.

            If teachers don't want to work longer hours, fine. Hire more teachers and put them on shifts.

            The Firemen are unionized, and they never settle for putting out only half of every fire. Why should teachers settle for only half-teaching the kids?

            •  You do realize what a personal development day is (1+ / 0-)
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              right?  It's teachers getting paid to do work.  And we are constantly told that there just isn't enough money for paying teachers more, so they can't just negotiate for more money.

              There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

              by AoT on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 09:35:44 AM PDT

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              •  There is money. (0+ / 0-)

                Tell them to use the money that they spend subsidizing Sports Stadiums.

                An example of a good solution would be PD days on Saturday, pay teachers overtime for the day, and raise taxes to cover it.

                Teachers should strike for this outcome.

                But by permitting a day of teaching to be lost, teachers are admitting that instruction isn't their overriding goal. And parents without babysitters will grumble.

                It is time for the unions to get smart. Before it's too late.

        •  Nobody? (3+ / 0-)
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          Evidence for that, please?

          Secondly, the Professional Development Day was not for all NYC schools but for elementary and junior high/intermediate schools:

          Thirdly, you make it sound as if every single family with a child in the NYC public schools was negatively impacted.  As you can see by the pdf to which I linked, that day has been part of the calendar since last August, so I presume that at least people were able to do some advance planning.  Were some families negatively impacted?  I'm sure, but hardly the one million that you claim.

          Fourthly, where is your evidence that this is some hardship imposed by the teacher's union?

          Please don't extrapolate from you to "people."

          •  Clearly people become teachers just for the (5+ / 0-)

            immense fortune to be made as a teacher and not because they care about children at all.

            There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:08:10 PM PDT

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            •  No, I think... (0+ / 0-)

              ...they become teachers for the respect of the community, for the summers off, and for the (used to be) job security.

              Also teachers have bills to pay. There is nothing wrong with them striking to get more money. I just hate it when they strike for less teaching.

          •  Here is a poll.... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...that gives teachers unions only a 22% favorable rating.

            That's down from 29% a year before, and an all-time low since the survey started in 2008.

            Here is a blurb illustrating the fact that these wacky schedules are insisted on by the union.

            As for how many people were inconvenienced -- we'll never really know. I'm a white-collar worker, and I can set my own schedule. I just stopped working and picked up my kid.  The people who get hurt are the poor and people who are hourly workers. If they don't show for a day, they lose money.

            When teachers negotiate, they should demand more money -- not less teaching.

            •  I'm not saying that there aren't problems, (1+ / 0-)
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              because there are.  I'm saying that you're being hyperbolic, because you are.

              You make sweeping claims with no evidence to support them and assert that the problems are all because of the teacher unions, with no evidence to support that other than an editorial by the notoriously right-wing New York Daily News.

              Furthermore, that 22% figure in the poll you cite is about unions in general, not about teacher unions specifically.  The teacher union numbers are 43% favorability, down from 58% the year before.  Not good, but double your numbers.

              According to your logic, unions are unpopular in Wisconsin, and hence the gubernatorial recall election was lost, solely because the unions are self-interested.  The constant, well-funded, right-wing media attack on unions would have had absolutely nothing to do with that.

              •  I am only blaming teachers' unions... (0+ / 0-)

                ...for a small subset of problems.

                I don't blame them for apathetic parents, underfunded schools, violence in schools, overpriced textbooks, or teen pregnancy.

                I'm only saying two things:

                1) Teachers' unions negotiate for shorter hours and higher wages. They should only negotiate for higher wages.

                2) The reason they should only push for higher wages is because shorter hours hurt the community and help give voters an unfavorable impression of teachers.

                We have a framing problem and a public image problem with the teachers' unions. Thousands of Obama Voters voted against the unions in WI. Thousands of Liberal Democrats in NYC keep electing Mike Bloomberg (a pro-ed reform Republican billionaire!) as our Mayor.

                The AFT, UFT, and NEA need to open their eyes -- before they drag the whole Left down with them.

                •  What's Our Leverage? (0+ / 0-)

                  If the only thing we can negotiate over is pay, then we will simply be told that there isn't enough money to pay us, so we should take what is offered. The only way to get more money is to get it in return for working longer hours. If we are not allowed to negotiate hours, then we have no way of getting more money.

                  "H.R.W.A.T.P.T.R.T.C.I.T.G -- He really was a terrible president that ran the country into the ground."

                  by Reino on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 10:13:47 AM PDT

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                  •  Strike. (0+ / 0-)

                    Strike. Strike. Strike.

                    The community will support strikers who are asking for more money -- as long as they are delivering good schools.

                    If teachers held up picket signs demanding, "Longer Hours and More Pay" they would be supported by parents and families.

                    If they picket signs say, "Same Pay, Less Hours", they will be framed as lazy.

                    Teachers should not try to cut hours because cutting hours hurts kids. And (supposedly) Teachers don't like to do that.

                    •  You May Get Your Wish (1+ / 0-)
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                      If the only issue teachers are allowed to negotiate over is money, there will be a strike.

                      Chicago teachers have already said they are fine with the hours as long as there is a 30% raise to go along with it, which is in proportion to the extra hours they are being asked to work.

                      "H.R.W.A.T.P.T.R.T.C.I.T.G -- He really was a terrible president that ran the country into the ground."

                      by Reino on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 11:08:43 AM PDT

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                •  Of course teachers should negotiate hours. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Teachers don't stop working when school ends for the day.  They work nights and weekends grading, prepping, researching, etc.  Yes, I agree with you that the school day needs to be a reasonable length, but that also needs to be negotiated, because teachers should be equal partners with administration in childrens' education.

                  I agree with you that there is a framing problem.  So I'm asking you, as politely as I can, to please stop using right-wing frames that teachers are only looking after their own self-interest.

                  •  We need to be... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...a reality-based community.

                    There are 300 million people in this country. The notion that 292 million of them look after their own self-interest, but the 8 million who are teachers magically don't either:

                    1) Makes us look stupid for believing it.

                    2) Makes it look like we think others are stupid because we expect them to believe it.

                    At one time it may have been possible to convince people that teachers were special angels, but that goodwill has long since been squandered. It must be built again, slowly and with effort.

        •  This neoliberal bullcrap (1+ / 0-)
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          is the reason why it has become acceptable for Democrats to pick apart public sector union contacts and set up cover for what has happened in Wisconsin.

          First of all, when did it become teachers who are to blame for our broken educational system? I guess watching Waiting for Superman on loop enforces that idea -

          But maybe, just maybe its because we have chronically underfunded our public schools

          And created a system where the best students get funneled into magnet and test-in public schools (your city being a prime example) leaving the rest to flail in overcrowded, broken public schools

          And allowed institutionalized racism to become a part of school district drawing and funding decisions.

          By the way - I am a person who thinks teachers always have children's needs at the top of their priority list in negotiations - my recommendation is to spend some time with a teacher. And think about how offensive it is for you to say, implicitly but clearly, that they are being greedy and are not thinking about the students that they have chosen to dedicate their lives to.

        •  Teacher's Unions. (1+ / 0-)
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          Do a awesome job of what they are there to do.  
          Protect teacher's benefits, salaries, pensions, hours, etc.
          That is what exactly what all Unions were created for.
          That is exactly what Unions gets praised for.
          That is a Unions's job.
          To protect and take care of its employees.

          Almost all teacher's unions do the the above.
          Yet for some reason, this argument is put forth that the teacher's unions are doing it all for the children whenever there is talk of any type of reform brought up.
          Please. It's embarrassing.

          Teachers care about children.
          Members of my family are teachers.  
          The union is there to take care of its own.
          Most people now know that.

          We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

          by Christin on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 08:17:33 AM PDT

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          •  What Reform? (0+ / 0-)

            What good reforms are being blocked? Generally, people use the word reform when they don't have an actual plan--education reform, tax reform, procurement reform, election funding reform, health care reform, etc. There was even a Reform Party. What are the unions standing in the way of that would actually help students?

            "H.R.W.A.T.P.T.R.T.C.I.T.G -- He really was a terrible president that ran the country into the ground."

            by Reino on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 10:17:03 AM PDT

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            •  Here in NYC... (0+ / 0-)

              ...charter schools do a better job of teaching kids than public schools. The charter schools take all applicants, don't discriminate against special needs kids, and the program has been painstakingly designed to rebut and defeat every logical (and many illigical) anti-charter argument.

              But the teachers' unions still block charters from opening.

              Not the teachers...the teachers themselves flood a charter with resumes whenever one opens! Just the union hierarchy.

              This is a clear-cut example of Unions blocking reform.

              I live in inner-city NYC, where the schools are very bad. My daughter has personally been hurt by Union actions which force her into bad schools and deny her the option of better schools.

              •  Doesn't NYC have about 150 charter schools? (0+ / 0-)

                "H.R.W.A.T.P.T.R.T.C.I.T.G -- He really was a terrible president that ran the country into the ground."

                by Reino on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 11:17:41 AM PDT

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              •  False false false (0+ / 0-)

                Only 1 in 5 charters (17%) have any track record of performing better than public schools and out of the other 80%, many perform worse.

                On average, nationally, students in 17 percent of charter schools performed significantly better than if they had attended their neighborhood traditional public school.

                On the flip side, students in 37 percent of charter schools performed significantly worse, and students in the remaining 46 percent of charter schools did not perform significantly better or worse than if they had attended their neighborhood traditional public school.

                This quote is from a report by the Center for Public Education - supported by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, who are of course big neoliberal charter school supporters.

                Charters of course do not take all applicants - Not to mention the gazillion stories of discriminatory student selection.

                Lets hand out a few to read:




                Washington D.C.


                Shall I keep going? It is just a slope towards private education for all.

                •  I'm talking about... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...NYC only.

                  The NYC charter program is better-designed and better managed than other cities. For example, "cherry-picking" is not allowed and charters must admit by random lottery.

                  Here is the report on NYC schools. It was done by CREDO, the same people who you are citing in your, "1 in 5 charters (17%) have any track record of performing better" quote.

                  Despite the positive results for children and families, the Unions still oppose Charters. They are, in fact, the only opposition.

                  That is why we see people who strongly support Obama breaking ranks and voting for Bloomberg and even (G-d help us) Scott Walker. They are probably public school parents who have experienced the Bad Side of the NEA and AFT.

                  Teachers' Unions need to get back to putting kids and families first...before they drag the whole Left down with them.

    •  Who Should Determine That? (3+ / 0-)
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      If it is determined that the parents of the community cannot afford day care and have to work second shifts, should the teachers be forced to work 24 hour days?

      Negotiations work when everything is on the table. The Chicago Teachers Union would be happy to accept longer hours if the pay was increased proportionally. If that's what the city wants, then they should find a way to pay for it.

      Additionally, the teachers were not paid the amount of money promised in their contract this year, so they are not in the mood to obey your Scott Walker inspired ideas.

      "H.R.W.A.T.P.T.R.T.C.I.T.G -- He really was a terrible president that ran the country into the ground."

      by Reino on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 07:37:45 PM PDT

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      •  The educational... (0+ / 0-)

        ...quality that we deliver should not be negotiated.

        Districts should set the standards that are needed. Then pay the teachers enough so they are willing to deliver that standard.

        If the district can't meet the teachers' demands, they must raise taxes, or seek other teachers.

        This is important because as a parent, the message I get is, "Your kid's school is crappy because the teachers don't want to work an extra hour."

        I realize that this illogical and bad framing, but there it is.

        If you need an operation and can't afford it, notice how nobody says, "You can't get your operation because the Doctors and Nurses are lazy". The Medical Profession is better at framing. When money for medical care is unavailable, people blame Insurance Companies, or Republicans, or Regulations, or Trial Lawyers...they never blame Doctors, one of the highest paid professions in the country.

        Teachers will never convince us that what they do is so freakin' critical when they are so quick to negotiate away 60 minutes of it. Putting School Hours on the table only reinforces the notion that it's not a big deal if the kids are in class or not.

        No doctor would perform half an operation. Do it right, or strike 'till you get the funding to do it right.

        •  Here's where you get it wrong (4+ / 0-)
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          I realize that this illogical and bad framing, but there it is.
          In other words you realize that it's not true.  That the quality of education isn't the fault of the teacher, it's the fault of the government for not paying the teachers enough and not having enough teachers.

          This makes me so angry I could spit.  Not because I don't see where you're coming from, but because you're falling right into the stupid trap that they set.  You're saying "Fuck the teachers, make them work more even though we know there's another way to teach our kids well."  And you're saying it because the asshole corporatists have put us in a bind where we don't have more money.  So you take it out on teachers.  Real people who are already over worked.

          Districts should set the standards that are needed. Then pay the teachers enough so they are willing to deliver that standard.
          Districts that are run by anti-teacher, anti-public education people at this point.  Go read up about what's going on in Chicago.

          If people really cared about the children then they would keep trying to fuck over the people who teach them and take care of them.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:01:44 PM PDT

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        •  Doctors Are Self Employed (2+ / 0-)
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          Doctors don't negotiate these things because they are in charge. I am a teacher, and my dad is a doctor. When I told my dad that there were parts of my job that I didn't like, he told me that there are parts of his job he doesn't like, so he hires other people to do them so he can focus on the parts he likes.

          As my father gets older, he can reduce his hours as much or as little as he wants to. Because of the way my pension is set up, working part time in my last five years is not an option unless I want to work as a sub for fewer than 100 days. I can't be fully employed and claim Wednesday as my Golf Day.

          "H.R.W.A.T.P.T.R.T.C.I.T.G -- He really was a terrible president that ran the country into the ground."

          by Reino on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 08:15:45 AM PDT

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          •  Most people (0+ / 0-)

            in today's private market are not in unions.
            don't have pension.  
            don't have tenure.
            don't have many vacation or sick days.
            have no idea what a contract is.
            most Americans have NO idea what you mean by a Gold Day either.
            i'm not sure what your complaint is.

            We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

            by Christin on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 08:20:46 AM PDT

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            •  Try To Understand This (0+ / 0-)

              For the past 18 years, I have had 9.4% of my salary removed from my paycheck with the promise that the money would be used to pay my pension. I voted for contracts, something you mistakenly claim most people in today's private market have no idea is, in part because of the deal included a secure future for me and my wife, and I did a lot more than hold up my end of the bargain. I watched for years as the state didn't pay what it owed to the pension system because they claimed the system had more than enough money and sent out a homeowners rebate because the state claimed its budget had more money than it needed.

              After graduating from what was the most selective university in the country and teaching three years without tenure, I was hired by a district which has well over ten applicants per opening and proceeded to earn tenure.

              Most Americans do know what is meant by Golf Day for doctors. They have no idea what is meant by Gold Day because that's something you made up.

              Does that help you understand?

              "H.R.W.A.T.P.T.R.T.C.I.T.G -- He really was a terrible president that ran the country into the ground."

              by Reino on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 09:44:07 AM PDT

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  •  Villify Edelman.... (0+ / 0-) an elitist, and keep the video going viral.

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 07:24:49 PM PDT

  •  Don't negociate with billionaires. (2+ / 0-)
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    I also don't understand why MTA, "...negotiated a deal with Stand."

    Stand is a private lobbying organization. They have no right to make "deals". If you give in to their threats, they (or another, similar group) will only come back next year asking for more.

    I realize that MTA fears their wealth, but giving in lets them get what they want WITHOUT HAVING TO EVEN SPEND A DIME.

    I know that a strike is a hardship on workers, but that may be what is needed. Back in the early 20th century, people fought for union rights, endured long strikes and violence to establish the political and economic power of Labor.

    Ever since then, workers have been living off that blood and sweat, eroding some of it each year. Like a lazy kid who lives in the house his great-grandfather built, but the kid doesn't fix the roof or maintain the foundation.

    We will need to build it back up. I say strike.

  •  Major lesson for today's youth (8+ / 0-)

    Do not pursue a teaching career because you'll be treated like shite.  I taught for 12 years and would never go back.  I didn't have to teach to a test or prove my ability to a machine.

    Of course, all of this crap is the Republicans' plan for future generations to be fundamental morons.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 07:29:29 PM PDT

  •  After A Seizure There Is A Recovery Period.... (3+ / 0-)
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    called postictal.  It may last from 5 to 30 minutes & often consists of drowsiness, confusion, nausea, hypertension, headache including migraines & other disorienting symptoms.

    It is often accompanied by amnesia of the surrounding circumstances & memory deficits.  Let's just say, a person is not at their tip top best recovering from a seizure.

    But then brilliant minds like Louie Gohmert's or one of Karl Rove's spokesman knows best.  Rove's spokesman immediately began to mock the Secretary of Commerce & stated alcohol consumption was the reason for the crash......before any medical explanations had been determined.  

    He had to immediately apologize once the medical intervention became know.  

    •  Still rec'd :). (0+ / 0-)

      I had a close friend back in Boston who had a seizure disorder and I am completely, totally unsurprised by what happened - except for the fact that the police probably shouldn't have let him go until the period you described had passed, if they'd had any hint at all that a seizure was a factor.  Maybe they didn't, we weren't there and, as I'm sure you know, seizures can be squishy things - one of the times Crystal had what she described as a minor one, I didn't even realize she was having one until after it was over, iirc.  Sounds like the police either didn't know it or didn't buy it.

      Of course, he won't apologize even after all that becomes clear.

      Alright, done diary-jacking :).

      "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

      by auron renouille on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 08:47:36 PM PDT

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  •  Oops.....wrong diary (2+ / 0-)
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  •  All this bickering is fun for nothing (0+ / 0-)

    We lost the battle. People are weary of unions and their perceived haves status. It's all bullshit but the groundwork was laid and now those resentments are growing.

    Unions - in these hard financial times - don't have much sympathy of a lot of Americans.

    •  We won't win unless we fight back (2+ / 0-)
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      Unions started out hated and reviled and if they knew their history they would realize that their power isn't in popularity.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Wed Jun 13, 2012 at 09:48:34 PM PDT

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      •  I agree with you but who do we have (1+ / 0-)
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        Have you seen the leaked Obama administration memo about multinational corporations getting ridiculous favorite treatment in pacific nations? You know, the one where this Democratic administration would let foreign companies bypass environmental and labor laws? How about keystone? You don't think he can't wait to clear the hurdles for that?

        This is the guy this site is supporting non stop. He's supposed to be on our side.

        Who's on ours? Who gives a shit about the things Democrats were always about?

        Millionaires and billionaires almost bankrupted this country and yet they still get to run around and sock us in the face at will.

        The Unions? They are weak now. What pull do they really have? I really don't doubt that Jerry Brown in California would love to solve the state's financial crisis here by pulling a Wisconsin.

        •  Unions have far more power than anyone (0+ / 0-)

          including themselves, give them credit for.  The strike, the sit down strike, sympathy strikes.  Most of their power has been curtailed by laws, but their power is not based on law.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Thu Jun 14, 2012 at 07:03:51 AM PDT

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  •  Fight Fight Fight. (1+ / 0-)
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    Do not let them break your unions and keep them from privatizing everything on the planet.

    Anyone who thinks this is about the length of a workday is sadly mistaken. This has been from the very beginning about a concerted effort to destroy the middle class.... Period....

    Wake up people....

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