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Syria - uploaded June 15, 2012

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  •  Tip Jar (2+ / 0-)
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    Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

    by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 06:07:38 PM PDT

  •  A year ago (3+ / 0-)
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    Libya looked like the second video.

    A year from now (hopefully) Syria will look like the first video.

  •  From a strategic standpoint.... (2+ / 0-)
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    quaoar, Clay Claiborne

    The Syrian resistance needs to stop "bunching up".  It's what made WW1 so deadly.  One machine gunner can kill hundreds within a few hours.  Remember Saving Private Ryan?  No joke.  You do as Captain Miller said on the pontoon boat, basically make the enemy waste ammunition.  One soldier is a waste of ammo.

    But just my military history observations......

    •  Basic urban guerrilla warfare (1+ / 0-)
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      Hit fast in small groups and fall back quickly. Select soft targets. Never confront anything as formidable as an armored column without sufficient firepower (RPGs) and break off the attack before the enemy has time to call in artillery or helicopter support.

    •  I'm non-violent but.. (0+ / 0-)

      I remember a very early video of the protests in Syria that impressed the hell out of me. - > A group of protesters chanting and waving signs in front of a line of tanks. The tanks open up with machine guns, some protesters fall and the rest run around the corner. A few minutes later the come back around the corner chanting 'shame on you, shame on you", the tanks opened up again, a few more fall and the rest run away again.

      As I said, I'm all for non-violence, but I would have to have an RPG or somekind of anti-tank weapon in my hands before I came around that corner again.

      I'm amazed that it took so long for them to start shooting back. I think ti took about 6 months. Even now they have mass rallies after Friday pray. They had one in Aleppo today and Assad was shelling Aleppo today.

      Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

      by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 07:18:11 PM PDT

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      •  Last two weeks alone... (0+ / 0-)

        I've seen some dramatic improvement in the FSA's capability.

        Around 30 of Assad's tanks & armored vehicles destroyed/burning/captured.  Some clearly taken out by sophisticated antitank weapons.

        Numerous Assad checkpoints, barracks, even an entire Air Defense installation captured and raided by rebels.

        And the thing I noticed today was more FSA fighters moving around in technical vehicles (pick-up trucks with mounted heavy weapons.)  A month ago that would have been suicide for the FSA.  Tells me they really are controlling more territory and Assad's mobility in the north has been reduced.

        And all this gels with news reports that FSA is getting supplies, improving its command and control.

        Still a damn far cry away from the Libyans last year (who within a matter of weeks had armor, special forces, even fighter jets and a big-ass warship) but in pure military terms they might be on their way to capability similar to the Kurdish Pechmerga or even Lebanese Hezbollah.

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        by TarantinoDork on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 09:33:34 PM PDT

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        •  Libya was a cake walk compared to Syria (0+ / 0-)

          By comparison, the Libyans had all the advantages. Small population with much oil revenue. A solid base area in Benghazi that seriously stretched Qaddafi lines on communication. Support from 3 sides, Egypt, Tunisia and we now know Sudan. Libyan hadn't happened yet so even Russia & China could be brought on board for UN support. Qaddafi's air defense was weak so NATO was willing to act. And for all the criticism of th NTC, they were based in-country and did represent a unified leadership with which the world could deal.

          The best thing NATO did was force Qaddafi to give up his armor and rely on technicals, which put him on a equal footing with the rebels.

          An they had me and all the other activists that enrolled 24/7 for support, now worn out or moved on to occupy and other things - although this is starting to change.

          Assad, on the other hand, seems to have much more popular support and an actual political party, not to mention a much stronger and more professional army.

          Still, I'm amazed at how fast things are moving. The AJE correspondence in Syria said she was seeing a lot more RPG's and not the old rusty ones. These look fresh out of the box, she said from Saudi Arabia and Qatar.  Next I'm sure they will start receiving manpads quicker than Russia can ship in refurbished choppers.

          What I'd really like to know is the rate at which Assad soldiers are deserting and going over to the FSA. That is the real battle in Syria. Judging by the way the opposition has been able to expand the fight in recent weeks, they are doing alright in that department.

          Hell, Assad was shelling the outskirts of Damascus today. When you start shelling your own capital, you know the end is near.

          Remember history, Clay Claiborne, Director Vietnam: American Holocaust - narrated by Martin Sheen

          by Clay Claiborne on Fri Jun 15, 2012 at 11:34:55 PM PDT

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  •  Whatever (3+ / 0-)
    (Reuters) - Thirteen people were killed in a second day of clashes between Libyan soldiers and tribesmen in the remote southeast, a security official said, highlighting the challenges the new government still faces in imposing its authority.
    The warning echoes concerns by observers and some U.S. intelligence sources that the collapse of the Gadhafi regime could be exploited by groups seeking to turn Libya into an Islamic state.
    Fourteen armed militias were killed ear Tripoli on Wednesday in the third straight day of fighting, underscoring the country's volatility ten months after Gadhafi's overthrow.
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