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Today's political world reminds me of the tangled mess on a fishing reel backlash.  Media sends out the word and people swallow it whole, without testing or question. Quips which feed the fears of the receivers are grabbed and owned, without vetting.  What the hell is going on in the country?  

A conversation with a co-worker, yesterday, absolutely confirmed what I fear the most.  Today's voters do not understand how our system works and the majority vote how they feel rather than how they think.  Why do I say this?  Because most voters don't think.  

There are so many people who still hold on to the tea-party argument of our POTUS not being a legal citizen.  They openly brag that our POTUS is not the President of the United States they wont let it go.  The are reminiscent of a snapping turtle, once they have a grip on something they can't let go until a clap of thunder scares the crap out of them.  

These same people are white and openly racist, in the 21st century, in the United States of America, you still find people who are racist morons and are irked to their core over the election of a "Half-Black" man in their WHITEHOUSE!  

I am a white woman over 50, educated, liberal, underpaid, overworked, married, step-mother of 3, grandmother of 7 and a Democrat.  I have grown up in a Catholic educated life with liberal Democrat parents.  The pain of letting go of most teachings from school regarding religion was tough, but I had to do it, the teachings were wrong for me.  Additionally painful was letting go of the social norms of segregation, equal but different, I can't explain how I was taught that you married your own kind but I grew up believing the myth.  I clutched my purse when dark skinned men were close to me on the street, I didn't step into an elevator with a dark skinned man.  I have the myth deep in my psyche, I know it, it's there.  I cannot deny the pain of arguing with my parents in the 60's over civil rights, I heard what they said and couldn't believe it was coming from their mouths.  I hated the feeling of not respecting their ideas, how could these two good people be against equal access to schools, public transportation, jobs, voter rights be my parents?  How could they gasp at the horrible images of Selma and then tell me I couldn't have a friend over for dinner who's skin was so much darker than my own?  Those were tough times in our house.  

Both parents encouraged me to think openly, and through the years I saw their attitudes change.  My Mother's life reflected the changing times and I saw her let go of the past and embrace the truth of the future.  She changed.  My Father changed as I brought home my friends, no matter what skin color, he accepted them as individuals.  I stopped hearing the comments about the people we saw on the television who had much darker skin than we did.  I could hear and see their reality changing right in front of me.  

Their actions taught me that liberal thinkers embrace the current truths and let go of the lies of the past when shown the truth.  I embraced the liberal truths of my generation as did my parents.  My parents grew and changed and openly admitted they had believed wrongly and they acted on the new truths and beliefs, they voted for the right things in their changed beliefs and choices, they changed and openly supported the civil rights changes and voter rights changes of the 60's, they put their new attitudes into action and openly moved to make this country better for everyone.  We didn't eat grapes for several years in support of the boycotts over the farm workers, we didn't buy Cannon Mills products during the boycotts over the working conditions in the mills of Kannapolis.  My parents grew and taught me we had to be the watchdogs of society and protect the people who were unable to step up and protect themselves.  

Our neighbors came to our house for political meet and greets with candidates.  My father was a precinct committeeman, we organized and got out the vote.  They taught me to be involved and to change my mind when faced with the truth that my thoughts and beliefs had been proven wrong.  They taught me to ask questions when I thought the status quo was wrong.   My parents' actions taught me there is no shame in changing your mind, no shame in learning something new especially when it unchains you from a rigid stance that held you in a stagnant and ignorant position.   My parents leadership taught me to seek the truth and grow towards the truth, their actions taught me turn on the lights rather than curse the darkness.

Why are we no longer a society of questions, when did the people in this country turn into mindless sheep following the herd?  What changed?  

Can the meaningless pursuit of gadgets be the cause?  I see people lining up at stores to buy the latest gadget, hundreds of people camping out for days to buy some piece of plastic and glass, yet there are no lines at the polls, why?

I hear my co-workers complain about "those" people on welfare, or "those" illegal aliens who are ruining this country, they vote for candidates who form groups and play army at the border.  They applaud the ignorance of the talking heads who spew nonsense and will not listen to someone who speaks the truth.  They grasp onto bigoted ideas like they are drowning and the spewing lies are their life preservers    What the hell has happened to people?  

My delusion is that all people embrace the truth and change.  My delusion is that all people are like the example of my parents who grew threw the tumultuous times of the sixties and let go of the stagnant ideas of bigotry and "Jim Crow" and admitted they were from a generation who's ideas were sometimes wrong and change had to be the answer to undo the wrong.  We watched a POTUS assassination, a civil rights leader assassination, a senator's assassination, and cried with the nation who couldn't believe what was happening.   I grew up with parents who changed when the truth was presented to them, they didn't hold on tight to the bigoted ignorance of George Wallace and "Axe-handle Maddox" they marched hand in hand with people of color for change.  Where are those like minded people and where are their children?    

My Mother lived long enough to embrace the difference in my friends, gay, straight, black, white.  I lost my Father too soon, but I have embraced his progressiveness and fondly remember his empowerment of myself and my Mother.  Where are the children of  their friends?  Why hasn't the change grown in them?  Where did they go?  How did my generation let go of the promises we made come true in the 60's and the 70's?  

How did we allow "Citizens United" to become the law of the land?  How did we allow Nixon into the White house?  How did we allow Jimmy Carter to be a one term President?  Where are all those children who were there with my parents and their friends?  Where are you?  Did you get lost in the pursuit of gadgets?

If we allow the push for money to control our government and our lives we will lose our voice and our choice.  I am hoping the children of the men and women who once stood in my back yard and became engaged in the political process of our government are still alive and still active.  I am hoping you are still out there, I am hoping you wake up and take action.  I am hoping you are registered to vote and I am hoping that you vote.  I hope you have not lapsed into the mundane life of being a mindless sheep following the herd.  I am hoping you still question authority and challenge injustice.  I am hoping I am not alone, but I may be alone.

Where are the children of the 60's?

Originally posted to Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 10:13 AM PDT.

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  •  We are right here, where we've always been. We (99+ / 0-)

    are the surprising Democratic votes that appear on election day, even though the young turks of the Democratic Party dismiss us.  We make up that silent  majority that pushs the election over the edge for Democratic candidates who we know will not listen to us, but offer the best alternative in the voting booth.

    •  thank goodness you are still there (24+ / 0-)

      I was beginning to believe I am alone.  I was beginning to believe that you left... thank goodness you are still there, thank goodness I am not the only one I was afraid I was just whistling in the dark.    

    •  Those of us who fought for the changes of the 60s (44+ / 0-)

      are still here.  The problem is that we never quite process that we were a minority of our generation. Those of us who were 60s liberals were louder and more charismatic than the other part but, in truth, we were the smaller group. The remaining members who voted Nixon in (don't forget that) are also still here and their numbers swamp all the other population numbers.  That is a fact that is rarely discussed in election politics.

      Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

      by tikkun on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 11:58:15 AM PDT

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      •  And they are filled with resentment because we (24+ / 0-)

        were able to change the course of history and improve people's lives. What the hell did they do, those Nixon supporters, not a freaking thing.

      •  That's what finally learned... (38+ / 0-)

        I am 66 and while most of my chosen friends are liberals I finally realized liberals were only the MAJORITY in my life because that is what I chose. I was/am attracted to people who are open minded, open hearted, loving, giving and not so into "stuff."  I also realize it is part of the reason I remain, in my sixties, an "unmarried" woman.   Early on I learned that the kind of men I was physically attracted to were never the kind of men who I could emotionally connect (sigh...the old chemistry of the physical vs emotional wants)  with on a deep level.  Most of my peers husbands tend to be right wingers, or at the very least conservative in their world view and more often than not, sexist.

        Still I truly believe I could not, would not be able to "compromise"  as, according to my sister, would be needed to form a relationship.  Perhaps she was right. I know many people do it but I am not sure I could ever be with someone who could vote for a W or even a Reagan.  

        I get stunned when I hear the way some of my peers talk about things and how they assume I think the way they do just cause my hair is now silver.  

        But I am here, still working for change, still believing we owe it to all our progeny to make sure the world, the country is one where people value more than material success and monetary gain and authoritarian power.

      •  Exactly tikkun. The hippies were a minority. (22+ / 0-)

        Even those of us who were conservative then and have switched sides since remember the 'Jesus Freaks' who were everywhere. Not sure how many of them have left that fold, the problem is they got a lot of people into it, who went on to get more...

        To really understand enough of the contributing factors, people grappling with the questions Veritas1 raises need to read some of the good studies and evaluations out there.

        The Authoritarians Robert Altemeyer PhD Psych. Free PDF of some of the basic research done over the last 40 decades. (261 pages, large font, quick read.) Read the footnotes, he has important explanations of social science research realities that influence how valid the information can be and the interpretation of data. (My other degree in BS is sociology)

        The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power Jeff Sharlet. If you don't have some grasp of how the group started and grew, how secretly it functions, you can't understand how powerful they are.

        The Righteous Mind: Why Good People Are Divided by Politics and Religion by Jonathan Haidt PhD Psych. I saw Haidt with Chris on Hayes' show. He would be a worthwhile extension to Altemeyer's work if you have time.

        The Republican Brain: The Science of Why They Deny Science--and Reality Chris Mooney's work is a solid overview of the research, polls, and other parts of the big picture.

        The Cause: The Fight for American Liberalism from Franklin Roosevelt to Barack Obama  Eric Alterman. I've read his previous books on the corporate takeover of American media. This is a bigger picture that I haven't read, but might be a better place to start than going back to previous books like Lapdogs or David Brock's classic Blinded by the Right.

        My current emphasis for a long view of progressive movements and media is Mark Feldstein's A Muckraking Model, Investigative Reporting Cycles in American History A 16 page PDF that gives an excellent historical perspective on just where we are and how we can bring about the non-violent revolution we need to really change our course. Ows needs as much participation as we can give it. Along with the financial and volunteer support for Dem campaigns.

        The first and last PDFs will give you the quickest - and free - foundation and framework to add to.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 03:46:54 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks, Ginny, for this list. (9+ / 0-)

          This is just the kind of reading I've been searching for.  

          We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis D. Brandeis

          by 3goldens on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:57:06 PM PDT

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          •  You're just the kind of person I reach out to :)nt (7+ / 0-)

            "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

            by Ginny in CO on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:23:19 PM PDT

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            •  Don't know if you've ever read... (2+ / 0-)
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              ...THE REPUBLICAN NEMESIS, but it really does belong on your list.  It's an essay written in December 2008 that explains why The Republicans are consistently able to persuade swing voters to vote against their own best interests...

              When historians look back on the current era in American politics it will likely stand out as the period when Republican cunning & marketing savvy completely dominated the political landscape.  Obliging Democrats have thrown themselves into the fray with enthusiasm, armed with idealistic visions of civil “discourse”, only to be humbled repeatedly by their political masters."

              "Republican strategists have been able to blend their astute grasp of marketing principles, human nature, & social psychology into a formula that delivers almost guaranteed success at the polls.  While Democrats knock themselves out every election cycle trying to talk to Swing Voters about The Issues, Republicans have calmly focused their attention on winning The Image Campaign.  Quite simply: Democrats lose because they don’t understand what moves their target audience."

              "The Issues might actually be important to many Swing Voters early on in a political campaign, but when both sides start to pick apart each other’s facts & interpretations, the typical Swing Voter quickly becomes confused.  As the debate over The Issues drags on, Swing Voters realize that they don’t understand the details well enough to make an informed decision, so they end up relying on their impressions of the candidates."

              "Republican strategists see this clearly.  That is why they continuously try to create doubts in the minds of the Swing Voters about the character of the Democratic candidate.  They know that it doesn’t really matter if they can’t find any real flaws in their Democratic opponents.  Accusations, insinuations, & innuendo will work just fine.  They hope to encourage voters to question the motivation and dependability of The Democrats.  They try to create the perception that Democrats are “defective” in a disturbing way.  By accusing, the Republicans suggest to Swing Voters that they are not [defective like the Democrats]."

              •  I decided to emphasize the concepts that a (0+ / 0-)

                lot of Dems are not as aware of. The linguistics aspect is discussed a fair amount here, in comments and diaries. G2Geek is very strong on it. I forgot to make an intended comment referencing it.

                It is part of the larger picture of the Republican versus Democratic brain, values, etc. Haidt and Mooney go into how reacting to an ad, campaign slogan, speech, etc. is 'with the gut' or intuitive. What Haidt goes into is how quickly this is done - based on the persons morality. The comment, ad, etc. goes to the hindbrain and gets an instantaneous assessment of whether there is a threat that requires triggering the stress response system (fight, flight, freeze). Then it gets sent to the upper cortexes, where it is examined as to whether there is a hidden threat to the good things we believe keep us safe and happy. Our morality is represented by specific terms that are bound to sacred values. Hence, the values voter and Republican authoritarian followers who fly into rages when those moral terms linked to sacred values push the stress response button.

                This ties in well with the works of Pinker, Ratey, Shermer, and multiple authors on the metaphorical mind, who have identified and replaced our fundamental misunderstandings of how the human brain works, with concepts developed in neurobiology, with fPET scans, etc.

                The discrepancy in the voter demographic bases was identified around the time Dean went to the DNC chair, and brilliantly addressed (pretty solid Kossack perception) with the 50 state strategy using a new Dem voter demographic database that someone I can't remember built in time for '08 if not '06.

                Lakoff is well known here, I don't think he does as well as Drew Westen in The Political Brain: The Role of Emotion in Deciding the Fate of the Nation. Which I think is also pretty well known and respected here.

                The article you linked to (12/2004) covers concepts and  specific examples that I think a lot of Kossacks remember with some agony. Those who have come on board since Kerry was undermined by the media and Blackwell, would find it informative.

                My immediate application of Haidt's concept: Walker's ad campaign, that started before he had an opponent, was to frame the recall as undemocratic. Not An American Value. It was relentless. While the linguists and excellent journalists add essential pieces to the big picture; having a sociology degree, I place a lot of value on the psychologists' studies and  input. That is what is behind the Madison Ave advantage.

                 I have to hope we can keep CU from running off with this election. We all need to get active in campaigns at all levels and with ows/99% rallies. The SCOTUS consideration of the 22 states filing is a nail biter. If I could get Harry Potter's wand, it would produce a scientific study on what the saturation level ads do to human minds and thinking. We know there are techniques that interfere with it, advertising certainly can. Is allowing the SuperPACs to have a level of free speech that is so unnatural it confuses human minds really constitutional?

                "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

                by Ginny in CO on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:55:29 PM PDT

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        •  Great list! I've read some of the but now you (2+ / 0-)
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          have given me a few more to try.  I'd also recommend Richard Hofstader's books.  In particular Anti-intellectualism in  Political Life and The Paranoid Stye in American Politics.

          •  O.M.D. I had forgotten Hofstadter. (0+ / 0-)

            After reading the reviews, it seems a lot of us who read him back in his day, had a 'the more things change' reaction. One comment in a review jumped out at me.

            Goldwater's instrumentalization of 'moral values' as an electoral wedge,
            See the second paragraph in my reply to James Kroeger just above your comment.

            The last time I saw Goldwater on TV, it was heartbreaking. He was brilliant even if he didn't apply it as we would have preferred.

            Anyone who loves to see where we came from, how we got where we are, from someone living and writing in the 30's thru 60's would enjoy Hofstadter. He received 2 Pulitzers, History '56 and Non-fiction '64, and influenced Howard Zinn among others. His writing shifted from reform history to American politics and was insightful on the parties, processes, etc.  He had a few areas of conceptual blindness.

            Hofstadter['s] ...rejection of the [Charles] Beardian idea that there was a fundamental conflict running throughout American history that pitted economic classes against each other.
            Maybe he didn't see it as class war because the peasants didn't fight back much :)

            Decades ago he influenced my split conservative and democratic mind to believe that you don't bring about change most of the time unless you work from within an organization - starting with politics.

            "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

            by Ginny in CO on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 04:55:37 PM PDT

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    •  The majority of Boomers voted for McCain (14+ / 0-)

      in the last election.  Most of the Tea Party supporters are boomers.  Which isn't to blame you or other boomers who aren't right wing nut jobs, but a majority of the boomers were not hippies or yippies or flower children.  It's easy to forget that those were counter cultures because of the huge focus on them in the media.  No show that takes place in the 60s is complete without someone running off to San Francisco.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:50:42 PM PDT

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      •  I am constantly amazed as to just how (14+ / 0-)

        right wing conservative the people I graduated from high school with in 1967 have become!

        •  Funny how it may have started (3+ / 0-)

          just after they got a high draft lottery number , turned 26 or became 4F.

          The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

          by Upper West on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:02:38 PM PDT

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        •  money changes everything (7+ / 0-)

          The Boomers, who thumbed their noses to the consumer culture of their parents, grew up to become wine snobs, own home gyms, drive pricey cars that put the sensible Chevy's and Fords of their parents to shame, and on and on....I don't know what happened, but the generation who mocked a career in "Plastics", became the most plastic generation in American history.

          I'm of the generation, so I'm not casting intergenerational stones here.

          Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

          by Keith930 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:50:46 PM PDT

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          •  Being of that generation, you should (0+ / 0-)

            recognize that those who "thumbed their noses at the consumer culture" were always a minority...a minority that made great copy and great video, but were never representative of their generation as a whole, most of whom just wanted nice houses, nice cars, vacations, tvs, i.e., all that consumer culture had to offer.

            "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

            by Alice in Florida on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 09:34:00 AM PDT

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      •  You are counting voters (11+ / 0-)

        A huge number of the liberals gave up on voting - I did for decades.

        After all, non-violence is usually met with violence. It can be dangerous to be a real liberal in the US.

        Women create the entire labor force.

        by splashy on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:00:23 PM PDT

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      •  Doesn't surprise me. (8+ / 0-)

        They tried to bully me then, and they're trying to bully us now.

        And so it goes.

        He said, as he reached for a daisy to place in the barrel of their gun.

      •  Well I was a late blooming child of the 60's (9+ / 0-)

        I resembled in those days more of Goldie Hawn type or That Girl than Joan Baez.  Then the seventies hit and I was a single mom raising a child and started standing for feminism and seeing the results of Vietnam felt in my spare time back then, I would make a difference if I could.
        By the time I got through Reagan and Bush I I was a full blown activist for equal rights and veterans.  Some of us evolved into what we are today by the school of hard knocks and some of the boomers ran out and joined the establishment when they got a good look at their first paycheck of decent wage.. ( white only).  

        I know on this site and some have posted right here on this diary....There are some Honest to God flower children ...hippie, peace loving and in your face children of the 60's.   They are tired but will still stay in the fight.
        Where are the young people who need to fight as hard as the children of the 60's ?

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:19:38 PM PDT

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        •  RIGHT HERE!! (11+ / 0-)

          We're the ones that everyone calls misguided or whatever.  We don't look like the hippies but that doesn't mean we aren't trying to change the world.  We're the punks and the anarchists and those younger people who don't look like a revolutionary or a dreamer.  We've been working on this for a while.  Go look up the DIY revolution.  The one that's been going on for a while.  We are out there, and even here at daily kos.  We just avoid the media.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:05:28 PM PDT

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          •  Very glad to hear this and (2+ / 0-)
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            Of course the media  would make you look as bad as they made us look at Kent State.   Air High five.  I hope you guys roll into Tampa come August.  

            We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

            by Vetwife on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:37:02 PM PDT

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          •  Thanks for the link...never saw (1+ / 0-)
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            that.......I never would say you are out there.
            Conformity is treason to one's self.
            My husband said that.

            We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

            by Vetwife on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:39:19 PM PDT

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          •  You know, maybe that's the problem. (0+ / 0-)

            It's enough EITHER that you work for fundamental political change or you Look Like A Freak.  Punks have generally been very unkind (to say the least) to hippies, from the very beginning.  And now even punks tend to affect the Retro-Normal Guy look (which just reinforces Retro-Normal Guy sociology and politics).  Trying to deflect the "hippie" tag has plainly not worked--why keep trying to hoe that row?

            The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

            by Panurge on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 08:30:09 AM PDT

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        •  Vetwife, thank you for this: (2+ / 0-)
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          I know on this site and some have posted right here on this diary....There are some Honest to God flower children ...hippie, peace loving and in your face children of the 60's.   They are tired but will still stay in the fight.
          I'm a boomer (late? eh who knows..) that was a child of the 60's-literally too young to make the kind of difference & sacrifice of those who came before me.

          Oh but I watched & learned from those giants who became my heros/heroines.  
          Oh, so many many radical. brillant. courageous beings who gave those who came behind them the tools & the freedom to see, to effect change, to inspire change.  To be the change.  No matter the cost.

          My budding self saw these beings as legion & to this day they so remain in my heartsoulmind.

          As I neared being almost "old enough"  heroes started getting murdered, universities+cities+ a far away land + households started burning (oh just imagine a military community environ then..!), we witnessed boyfriends/peers/family/neighbors come home in flag draped coffins or forever & ever altered.

          Then just as my peers & I stepped into finally being "old enough" that May of 1970- "they" started murdering us in hallowed places like Kent State & Jacksonville State.

          Defiant & resolute that small graduating class of 1970. Too many died in 'Nam or because of 'Nam.  Many severed family connections or expected "lifestyles" or citizenship.  Some went hippie (too late!).  Some went mother earth.  Some went underground.  Alot of us became global citizens-vagabonds-free spirits with intention.

          The majority of that small graduating class of 1970 walked the talk, used the tools given us by heroes & quietly (or not) set ripples of change into motion.  We went there-wherever the seed that had been planted-beit CAMS, bringing irrigation to Guatamala or free hippie ambulance to the Bronx or that working thriving commune or that free clinic under that tent over there or that food pantry that became semi annual free meals held in a stadium (hearthug, Hosea).  Etc etc etc.

          Whatever hat (or suit, or jeans or leathers or scrubs or shoes) they put on, the committment to a once held vision stayed strong.

           Most of us went on to higher education/ trainings- defiant+resolute+pissed "at the man" & absolutely convinced that their future actions would bring change.

          Never once imagining that just over our horizon awaited a Raygun or that some 40+ years later we'd be again mockingly called & dismissed as a DFH, blamed for the past 40 years and begin witnessing some weird ass cultural-societal-political evil redux of our own entire growing up years.

          The graduating class two years behind us were part of the Jesus freak movement.  Four years behind us really really liked their 1980's-at least the ones I've known.

          Not sure when boomer-hood officially ends but I think it includes the Jesus Freak group.  Long timeline-that boomer moniker-something I often forget.

          I want to know more of the boomer's offspring-what a difference it has made to have been "blessed" with boomer parents-at different boomer timelines & their corresponding decade eras....

          In an aside, ridiculously, my own offspring were called hippies no matter what state or country we lived in (except Colorado) until they graduated high school.  

          Maybe because they learned to see, listen with their soul & engage in critical thinking by the time they entered public school?  Hmm maybe it was the soy snacks or hippie hair?

          Omg, it was probably because of the evil Montessori & then Open Living School that some of the real hippies helped to make (eventually) just another part of the establishment....

          It has been interesting (knowing their upbringing & exposure & experiences & education) to watch my offspring evolve.  As they enter or approach age 40, they are by no stretch of the imagination-the hippies/flower children/children of the 60s.

          They didn't have to be.  

          They were born into systems & changes fought for & then established.  Born into & raised with those 60's-hippie-mother earth-global awareness-be the change values.

           Values soul imprinted-but growing up in years dominated by republican policy & as one recently shared "from a young age-a constant awareness of nuke annihilation at any given moment"....and then becoming aware that- despite that higher education & constant hard work -they feel they will never achieve a modicum of the lifestyle (methinks security) of their grandparents or parental units.

          The universe only knows then what they must think or feel as they observe established values-hard won laws being offered up for slice & dice action.  What freakin message does this send?

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            which I believe to be the way I remember things.  We got really tired and Reagan led the charge to our disappointment of real change.  We helped end a 58,000 plus dead named war, we fought for civil rights..peacefully and we did bring about change but we stayed the course..year after year after year...
            Two hippie types were the Clintons.   Feminism was not a dirty word.
            Chicago 68 and yes the Jesus Freaks.... The flowers in the weapons.   Woodstock.  The 60's.  The boomer kids.
            Tomorrow is my birthday.  I will offically draw in August old age pension.  500 a month for years of working under republicans with no other pension for myself.  No 401 K....yes we made change.  IN a big way only for Reagan and Bush to take us back pre 60's.

            We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

            by Vetwife on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 08:56:40 AM PDT

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            •  Heart hugs Vetwife. Sad & somehow ironic that (1+ / 0-)
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              old age pension amount.  I suppose the years of struggling were meant to be some sort of training course for the marathon that awaits when we get to draw that old age pension to somehow live on.

              My entire "401K" & other retirement funds went bye bye at sonic speed in 2001 with no possible hope of replacing it.  And because of my DFH job & life viewpoint choices, when I hit your magical age, my own old age pension is something to either cry or laugh hysterically about.  Or both.  

              Ah, so very f...ed.  Along with countless others of various gens.

              An early Happy Birthday to you, Amanda.  Wear flowers in your hair & surround yourself with beauty.

        •  As a Gen X-er (0+ / 0-)

          Where am I?

          fighting for twenty years in the wreckage of my parents' dreams

          Being ignored is the difference between being a one percenter and an American.--sweeper

          by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 08:57:27 AM PDT

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      •  As a Boomer hard to believe majority... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...supported McCain ...I didn't and I'm a VN vet too.  

        Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

        by kalihikane on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:07:03 AM PDT

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        •  "Boomers" is a broad category (0+ / 0-)

          Some boomers were teenagers at the height of the civil rights movement, some were toddlers. The later ones probably had an easier time accepting integration, but overall I wouldn't be surprised to see boomers being more racist than later generations (as well as less racist than earlier generations). I imagine there was probably an age-break (50?) between majority-Obama and majority-McCain voters.

          "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

          by Alice in Florida on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 09:42:34 AM PDT

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    •  I guess you don't live in Wisconsin (2+ / 0-)

      Forgive me if I snicker at that one. "... that silent  majority that pushs the election over the edge for Democratic candidates", I still can't tell if you're being serious or not. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're being sincere.

      •  It's a bigger picture. (6+ / 0-)

        There have been surprising wins and contests in heavily GOP districts with no history of Dem candidates coming anywhere near the GOP incumbent. Where challenging Dems have started biting the heels of incumbents, including the guy who lost by one vote.

        That Democrats have been able to stay in the game is a BFD. Yeah, too many did it by moving too far right and getting captured by the 1%. They are still voting for good judicial candidates and some can sometimes be persuaded to vote with the progressive caucus instead of with DINOs and pubs.

        The game is now a true battle for the future of the country. The victories are still too few and threatened by CU. Searching for what makes people realize what is happening and get them to change their voting is worth putting many minds and perspectives on.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:49:45 PM PDT

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    •  Ditto! (7+ / 0-)

      I haven't looked at the demos lately but my sense is that a lot of us 60s Hippies are still around.

      I do wonder why the GenXers think we've all gone senile.

      If you feel frustrated with the Kochs and Adelsons, the back room boys and their money and evil, imagine watching your friends, your brothers and the guys you love going off to get killed in a stupid war that got us nowhere.

      •  Amen to that. Anyone who didn't (4+ / 0-)

        live through it would have a hard time imagining the years of anxiety about the draft- and the impact it had on everyone's life, male or female.

        There was a period in 1965 when being married got you an exemption.  Pretty much everyone I knew got married in 1965, and I am not exaggerating.  Then they upped the requirement to having a kid, and everyone got pregnant.

        Whenever I hear someone here bring up the supposed advantages of a military draft, my head explodes.

      •  I'll answer that. (0+ / 0-)
        I do wonder why the GenXers think we've all gone senile.
        Because Boomers brought us NAFTA, DADT, DOMA, and 'the end of the era of Big Government.'

        Because after eight years of one of the most destructive regimes this country's ever seen, Boomers perpetuate so many of its policies.

        The real enemy of the good is not the perfect, but the mediocre.

        by Orange County Liberal on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 09:09:58 AM PDT

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        •  Refuse to be accused of that (0+ / 0-)

          There are many, many of us still protesting...still singing with Baez and Guthrie...still hoping. I meet with a bunch once a month.

          I have a brother-in-law on "The Wall" and a couple classmates. I marched for social justice and against the war. I'm not ready to quit...

          But if Romney wins, there is a Gite in central France that needs remodeling.

  •  I'm now a child of the sixties... (42+ / 0-)

    in more ways than one.

    Graduate HS in '69.

    Just observed my 61st birthday.

    Still believe we can change the world, and we are changing the world, acknowledging that it is becoming ever more a world for a new generation, and it is their right and duty to shape it for themselves.

  •  Over a number of years too many people (39+ / 0-)

    prospered too greatly too easily and became convinced that they had actually done something special. In truth, we had all merely been born in the right place at the right time, and should have been, and must become willing to accept that building the next stage is going to take a hell of a lot more hard work than living the recent past required. What prosperity humanity does create going forward is going to have to be far more broadly shared, and merely mouthing platitudes about cutting taxes/shrinking government is the last thing that will get the job done.

    In my opinion, times have gotten much harder, and many of us have reacted by becoming afraid.

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 10:43:44 AM PDT

  •  Them or their kids? (28+ / 0-)

    'Cause I'm a child of 60s parents, and I've always been a political liberal. Or as some say it nowadays, sane politics.

    My parents always have been involved in politics. Some of my earliest memories are at nuclear freeze rallies and playing in offices while my parents made calls for the ERA.

    They just don't get coverage any more. The corporate media wants our country to seem right-wing, so they ignore us.

  •  Children of the 60s (37+ / 0-)

    had civics education as part of their curriculum.  

    I don't have children and I am not an educator but something I hear or read regularly, including on this site, the effects cutbacks have had on civics education in public schools.  

    If young people aren't taught of what they have, a democracy, how are they going to use it properly?

  •  Remember Society Profoundly Rejected Our Vision (45+ / 0-)

    as our parents, the Greatest Generation, launched the Reagan Revolution against our political and economic values as organized religion went to war against our cultural values.

    They had turned the nation into a democratic oligarchy by the time we began to reach the highest levels of power, in which the conservatives among us got the farthest. The generation after us joined forces with our parents for the next decade and a half.

    We never saw our first generational reinforcements till the 2006 election.

    The children of the 60's did more than their share for about a decade and a half before they moved into the commitments of family, everyday community and careers. Then for 30 years no new generations of children wanted to take up our thoroughly discredited vision.

    We're still here and there is much we can to help movements that younger and more energetic and present-informed generations will start. We took our leadership shot while we had it, but as society made sure we would see no successor youth generations, they also made sure we could not get to the levers of power as we matured.

    It's now for others to lead the way.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 10:52:43 AM PDT

    •  Aw, crap you've given me another headache... (15+ / 0-)
      Remember Society Profoundly Rejected Our Vision as our parents, the Greatest Generation, launched the Reagan Revolution against our political and economic values as organized religion went to war against our cultural values.
      Agree.

      I think it was the Chicago 7 Trial and Altamont "festival" that doomed it.

      We're still here
      Yes.  Yes we are...

      Somebody said Party! I got excited. I love Parties! Especially Parties with exclamation marks! Now I'm sad because there's not a Party! h/t AnnetteK ;-)

      by EdMass on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 11:13:54 AM PDT

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      •  It wasn't so innocent, imo, as our parents/voters (3+ / 0-)
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        just rejecting the changes of the 60s.  Much of the backlash was orchestrated by the corporations, out of fear of the rise of the environmental movement and it's profit-limiting regulations.

        In the early 70s the corps organized dozens of astroturf front groups to fight regulations and environmentalism.  They infused the formerly loser conservatives with big funding and organizational structure.  All our familiar RW think tanks were set up or re-constituted in those years...Heritage, Am. Enterprise, Cato, etc.  

        There are many books on this.  Brock's Republican Noisemaking Machine is good.  David Korten writes about it in When Corporations Own the World.  Toxic Sludge is Good For You and Trust Us, We're Experts by Stauber & Rampton show how RW orgs do their actual sabotage on "left" writers, orgs, and leaders.

        It wasn't a natural evolution of thought but a massively-funded longterm propaganda campaign that swamped 60s openness & optimism with conservative paranoia.

    •  I don't think they rejected the vision.. (5+ / 0-)

      I think it would be more accurate to say the voters of the 80's rejected the frame, not the vision.  I think everyone wants a better world, it's just about how we get there.

      As a child of the 60's (1967), I remember a great looking forward, we were going to the moon, there was civil rights legislation, and there was a general feeling of moving forward.  The voters of the 70's and 80's were turned off by the blatant drug use and the spiritual movement seriously challenged the religious community.  That is why there was a backlash.  But the ideas of freedom and technology making a better world were a part of the national vision, not just the left.  Star Trek I think, was proof of this.  And even though the hippie was made a mockery, it became enshrined in our culture to a certain degree.

      The broad ideal of the 60's live on, just transformed into a more practical form perhaps.

    •  There's a lot of truth in (18+ / 0-)

      what you say.  Although I try to avoid over-generalizing about the differences between generations x, y, or z, the sixties really were an especially revolutionary generation.

      And yes, the Reagan Revolution went to war against the gains we'd fought for, and for some of us (including me), that came as a big bad surprise.  I don't want to say we'd become complacent- I know we still cared- but I do think that we thought we'd changed some things rather permanently. I even remember being shocked when the first Gulf War broke out and had such support-- hadn't we made war something to protest, something to avoid at all cost?  Obviously, we had done no such thing and it was beyond naive for me to imagine we had.

      So I guess the lesson, for me at least, is that the battle never ends.  Re-fighting old battles, protecting successes and pushing for new achievements has always been the name of the game, and probably always will be.

    •  Working at the local Obama field office is really (12+ / 0-)

      exciting..the office is filled with the energy and joy of the kids 17-25years old and the focus and steadiness of purpose and experience of we who are 45-81.  Yes the 81 year old is the office organizer and is in 3 days a week.

      It's easier to be optimistic and driven in this environment.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 01:46:26 PM PDT

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    •  Riot Grrrl & Generation X (0+ / 0-)
      Then for 30 years no new generations of children wanted to take up our thoroughly discredited vision
       I call bullshit on us not wanting to continue the fight: Riot Grrrl, the start of Third Wave feminism.  I don't recall any Boomers fighting alongside us then.  Boomers were the yuppies of the 80's, while us X'ers got stuck with McJobs.   We were the first generation expected to do worse then previous generations and we have, oh we have. As I remember, the conservatives were the Boomer generation, not mine. We were too busy trying to survive.
      You climbed up the ladder and yanked it out of reach for the rest of us.  And we're still paying for it: Social Security and Medicare take a huge chunk of my paycheck.  Will it be there for Xers? Goddess knows. My real sympathy is for the Millennials. At least we were able to support ourselves, albeit poorly. If they're lucky, they will be able to move out of their parents house someday.
      .

      I'm so sorry if I'm alienating some of you/ YOUR WHOLE FUCKING CULTURE ALIENATES ME. Bikini Kill

      by pitbullgirl65 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 06:38:23 AM PDT

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      •  Is it all their fault? (0+ / 0-)

        I've read stories here of Boomers not being able to get jobs in the '70s because there was so much competition because their generation was so large.  One of the great faults of punk is/was the belief that their older siblings in the Boomer generation somehow had it easy.  IOW, you didn't have to go to 'Nam and get shot by the Ohio National Guard.  Boomers have much to answer for, but so does punk.

        The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

        by Panurge on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 09:29:42 AM PDT

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    •  Your *parents* launched it? (0+ / 0-)

      I remember a whole hell of a lot of boomers in that Reagan Revolution.  I remember a whole lot of boomers who turned into Reagan Democrats or else people who were just down right cynical about any involvement in the political process. I was in my adolescence and teens through that. My mom wasn't one of the Reagan Democrats or cynical apathetic folks, thankfully.

      Let me be clear:  I'm sure there were Greatest Generation types involved in the Reagan Revolution too. You get your George HW Bushes, Donald Regans and James Bakers, and you get your Lee Atwaters, Dick Cheneys and Karl Roves.

      The truth is that both the revolution of the sixties and the counter-revolution of the eighties were multi-generational affairs, a common project that united generations.  The boomers, when they were young, misunderstood this and interpreted the whole damned thing as a fight between themselves and their parents, and their view has dominated historical understanding of both that period and, annoyingly, everything that has come since (everybody keeps waiting for "the youth" to rise up against their parents).

      But neither of the Kennedys were boomers. Martin Luther King was not a boomer.  Rosa Parks was not a boomer.  Neither was Medgar Evers or Malcolm X. What we actually had in the sixties was a wonderful moment when people of the previous generation had a vision that synchronized with the discontents and critiques of the young.  

      I'm sure there was also an intergenerational fight going on, and rebellion of the young against their parents' suburban lifestyles, etc.  But if you look at the work that got done, a lot of the time it was an intergenerational effort.  The easy dichotomy of conservative and overpraised Greatest Generation vs wonderful liberal Boomers vs materialistic apathetic Everybody Since is not really particularly valuable.

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      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 09:22:25 AM PDT

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    •  "Our parents"? (0+ / 0-)

      Reagan may have been of the WWII generation, but he had plenty of support from boomer-age voters. I remember the Rolling Stone marketing campaign featuring Reagan, noting that a survey found most of their readers supported him.

      Those boomers who were involved in the civil rights and anti-war movement were most often the children of parents who supported the anti-facist movement in spain, opposed Joe McCarthy, voted for Adlai Stevenson, etc. The idea that there was a liberal-conservative generational split in families was mostly a Hollywood myth (made great TV).

      "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

      by Alice in Florida on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 09:57:03 AM PDT

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  •  it was the parents of the people who were (17+ / 0-)

    teens in the 60s that passed all that legislation to make the world better - not the kids.

    My parents graduated in 62 and 64 from Jim Crow southern public schools.  They are tea partiers now.

    While they intentionally did not teach me to be racist - they are confused by my complete lack of it now.

    Don't mistake being in a special age group as being a unified front.  You aren't.

    And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

    by Mortifyd on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 11:16:09 AM PDT

  •  We're here, and some of us are angrier now (21+ / 0-)

    I marched for other people's civil rights, unaware that I didn't have many myself, and I marched in protest of a war my lottery number got me out of.  I came out in 1971 and the economy was good to me until 2002, but I was busy relaunching an academic career at the time.  Now it's launched, and, unlike many members of my age cohort (thankfully, the members of my age cohort here are more like me than unlike me), I'm becoming the activist I should have been before through my participation in the great orange satan. Don't worry, we're still here.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 11:18:57 AM PDT

  •  Change is frightening. (3+ / 0-)

    Better to retreat into comforting lies and myths than face reality fearlessly.

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    by The Dead Man on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 11:25:58 AM PDT

  •  That is NOT the group that can save us. (2+ / 0-)
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    The 60s generation was both idealistic and naive--as young, inexperienced people generally are. It was also informed by a sense of optimism, expectation of positive social change, and entitlement that its parents' generation--the children of the Depression and the War--did not have.

    That previous generation's ethos had been to work hard and scrape and save so things could be better for its children...and with the economic boom in the wake of WWII, the GI Bill, veterans' home loans, etc., they did that. Millions entered the middle class, and provided their kids with conditions, amenities and opportunities they never had.

    Because they were young--and privileged, mostly, insofar as nearly all the activism of the 60s was based on college campuses--the 60s generation viewed the world through an oversimplified lens. It was easy for them to buy into simplistic ideologies (like "never trust anyone over 30").

    It bears pointing out that this group did not succeed in its political goals. Vietnam didn't end until we were defeated and Nixon won two terms, although those who remained engaged in activism instead of giving up and partying away the 70s played a major role in advances on feminist, environmental, and other progressive fronts.

    But the excesses of this group led to the Reagan backlash we've been dealing with ever since. Which was NOT just a reaction of their parents' generation. It was powered by the appalled reaction of many of the SAME generation who had not enjoyed the privileges of the class that went to college. Those people had largely embraced the values of their parents, supported (and fought) the war, and ended up the bulk of the evangelical/conservative surge of the 1980s.

    •  It seems to me you have a biased perspective (20+ / 0-)

      of history.

      Many of the strongest political actions in the 60's were by black civil rights leaders. They opened up a world of opportunity for middle class minorities. The women's liberation movement, much derided by conservatives opened up a world of opportunities for middle and upper class women.

      On the other hand, the corporations consolidated power, divided and ruled over the following decades. They used foreign trade as a bludgeon against the working person. They pitted working class whites against working class blacks and Latinos. They played a shell game on tax cuts that gave the lion's share of cuts to the wealthiest while cutting benefits to working folks.

      Young white middle class progressives got jobs and raised families. They never went away. They got older.

      look for my eSci diary series Thursday evening.

      by FishOutofWater on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:16:21 PM PDT

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      •  And those were not children of the 60s. (0+ / 0-)

        The civil rights movement made its big strides in the 50s, which were then locked in by laws in the early 60s. The advocates for that change were not Boomers.

        In re: other progressive issues, see my 4th paragraph.

    •  I'm here.... (10+ / 0-)

      And my personal bio reads very much like yours (with a couple of differences, of course).
      I've stayed politically active throughout, but have watched as some of my peers have determined to watch out only for themsleves, and have become very successful financially, but stingy in other aspects of their lives.  They see my passion for politics and activism as 'childish' and shake their heads while telling me it's useless to fight city hall.  I simply respond that someone has to fight for our (once shared) beliefs.  Many of my co-workers are completely disinterested in anything political, as though it has nothing to do with them.  
      I have been repeatedly appalled by many of the occurrences in our recent history and at the seeming lack of outrage by the very people who are most affected by them.  But I keep on going, despite being chided, derided, discounted and sometimes, mostly ignored.
      My parents would have been thrilled to have seen Barack Obama elected president.  Quite a bit less than thrilled to have seen the previous 8 years, though.  And we won't even mention the abomination of the 'Citizens United' ruling.
      I have no idea whether it's the gadget age, or selfishness, or the absolute adoration of money that's led to today.  But, one way or another, something has to give.  The status quo is like an over-blown balloon.

      I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

      by Lilyvt on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:21:19 PM PDT

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    •  No it's the difference between unity and division (4+ / 0-)

      The WWII generation was remarkably productive because they have a sense of unity and common effort that you can still find in people in their 90s.  Excesses are an excuse for some but the real reason was very real social change and the inevitable divisions that grew up around those changes.

    •  It wasn't "ethos" that led earlier (1+ / 0-)
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      generations to save--when you live in a time of depression/deflation, saving is the obvious thing to do since (a) you never know if you're still going to have a job tomorrow and (b) stuff will be cheaper if you wait. During the war, people didn't have a whole lot of choices--men were drafted, women had to work, consumer goods were rationed, anyone who wasn't 100% behind the war effort was looked upon with suspicion.

      After the war, the government paid tuition for a generation of working-class men (mostly) to go to college and thus the great American middle class was created.

      "All governments lie, but disaster lies in wait for countries whose officials smoke the same hashish they give out." --I.F. Stone

      by Alice in Florida on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 10:27:13 AM PDT

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    •  Here comes the hippie-bashing again! (0+ / 0-)

      Have you ever considered that when you say such things you've bought into the Establishment framing of the situation?

      How are we ever going to get anywhere when even liberals join in the hippie-bashing so enthusiastically?  (I'd ask, "So what has GenX done, exactly?", but I think I know the answer I'd get.)

      The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

      by Panurge on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:12:17 PM PDT

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      •  Oh, boo hoo. (0+ / 0-)

        The hippies have a lot to answer for. It wasn't their fault--they were spoiled kids, they were naive, and they fully expected that they could get what they wanted. But their wholesale dismissal of reason and institutions as "The Man" has helped us well along towards a new Dark Age of ignorance.

        In 1965, most Americans believed in evolution. They understood that scientific consensus was a pretty good indicator that something was true. They were uncomfortable with uncivil behavior.

        The 60s ended that. Yes, some of the values espoused were good ones. But the overall social impact? Decidedly mixed.

        BTW: no one has used the term "the Establishment" in decades. Maybe it's time to catch up.

        •  I know they have a lot to answer for. (0+ / 0-)

          But they probably have less to answer for than anyone else.  Besides, why do they get defined by their extreme fringe when no one else does?

          Oh, and some terms ought to be brought out of storage.  They'd clarify our thinking.

          The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

          by Panurge on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 08:35:31 PM PDT

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    •  Oh, one more thing: (0+ / 0-)

      The cease-fire in Vietnam was signed a week after Nixon's second inaugural, well over two years before Saigon finally fell.  Only when that happened did the "defeat" frame start getting used, for what that's worth.  

      Speaking of which, what if there'd been no antiwar movement?

      The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

      by Panurge on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:14:13 PM PDT

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      •  The cease-fire was AGREED TO in October. (0+ / 0-)

        It was Nixon's '72 October surprise.

        But the war didn't end. It was a sham.

        It didn't end until we got beaten.

        It is not possible to project what history might have been if there had not been an anti-war movement, so conjecture--on your part or mine--is pointless.

  •  What a long strange trip it's been, eh, veritas? (12+ / 0-)

    Keep on trucken'

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 11:53:35 AM PDT

    •  Your comment makes me laugh and cry... (26+ / 0-)

      I have to tell you a story about my Mom... in her 80's she came to live with us.  She always hated my love the the Grateful Dead.  We dragged our kids to concerts and such...but anyway.  

      Jerry passed, Mom was watching all the clips on his life, she came out and announced..."You know I was wrong about that Jerry Garcia, he was a talented man."  She asked me to get her some of his music for her CD player.  She then informed me she like that "Jimmy Buffet guy" and pronounced his name like the table spread event and asked for his music too.  I guess she will always be an inspiration to changing your mind.  

      Once I got the music for her, JB's greatest hits was playing and after listening to "Let's all get drunk and screw" coming out of her room,  she come out and asks me, "Is he singing what I hear?"  "Yes, Mom, he is I reply" she smirked and said "It's got a good beat to it, doesn't it?"  she played those two CD's every day...

      I cling to a two comments made by my daughter when she was eight years old, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." and "There are good decisions and bad decisions but you never know until you make them." Out of the mouths of babes.

      by Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:04:43 PM PDT

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      •  lol wonderful story. Thanks. (4+ / 0-)

        I tried to get my zap comic keep on trucken cartoon for you a while ago, but i'm on the Amtrak train's free internet, which is great, but doesn't seem to have enough bandwidth to download that section of my cartoon library, which is organized in 24 sections of about two dozen pictures each chunk.  

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:26:36 PM PDT

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        •  What got me was that first line (2+ / 0-)
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          Today's political world reminds me of the tangled mess on a fishing reel backlash.  Media sends out the word and people swallow it whole, without testing or question. Quips which feed the fears of the receivers are grabbed and owned, without vetting.  What the hell is going on in the country?
          Speaking of swallowing the media's lies.  Like people in every generation haven't been organizing for years and years while the media ignores them.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:38:02 PM PDT

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        •  Oops, I responded to completely the wrong (2+ / 0-)
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          comment.  Didn't mean to crap on the nice thread you had going.  Great stories.  Sorry bout that.

          There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:39:31 PM PDT

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  •  Still Here (10+ / 0-)

    Still trying to fight the good fight. Working on influencing my second generation. I had good luck with my first since she is out working to promote Progressive causes. Having good luck on the second generation as her children listen very carefully to what I say. They are such strong supporters of human rights and are both involved in the fight for gay rights.

    "A dreamer is one who can only find his way by moonlight, and his punishment is that he sees the dawn before the rest of the world." Oscar Wilde

    by michelewln on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 11:54:50 AM PDT

  •  For Those Who Want To Be Like The Kids of the 60 (9+ / 0-)

    Try reading up on the activities of the Jesuit Priest John Dear.  Yes, it is an interesting name isn't it, but that's the man's name.  I suggest reading his autobiography "A Persistent Peace" with a forward by Martin Sheen as I recall.  Fr. Dear also has his own website with lots of articles, sermons, and so on.  I have to really admire this man.  He puts his money where his mouth is, and he has been to jail for his beliefs many times.  I wish all of the Occupy Wall street people would follow him.  As far as the 1960s goes my favorite person of that era was Jesuit Priest Daniel Berrigan, another man who went to prison for what he  believed.  I believe Berrigan died recently.  

  •  Pardon (13+ / 0-)

    I don't mean to sound dismissive, but this diary is a slap in the face.

    It gets a little irritating when people keep acting like America's conscience died in 1970. Where, then, did the Solidarity Movement come from? Who were all those people in Seattle in '99? It took the awesome paragons of political and social conscientiousness nearly a decade to protest Vietnam in any significant number, yet us lame, uncaring sheep were nearly half a million strong in New York alone - before the bombs started to fall in Iraq.

    We stormed the Capitol in Wisconsin and flooded Wall Street, then spread across the country in defiance of the encroaching corporate hegemony. We have an anonymous group of cyberspace freedom fighters who literally call themselves Anonymous, doing everything in their power to keep the internet free. We raged against silence in Trayvon Martin's murder, refusing to allow him to be another forgotten statistic. We chained ourselves to the White House fence in defiance of Don't Ask Don't Tell and the Afghan war.

    Getting the picture? We're doing just fine, thank you. In fact, the more brutal and extreme the crackdown is, the more you can tell we're doing things right. The attacks on women, on unions, on LGBTs, on good people of conscience everywhere have become more vicious not because of a sleeping populace who emboldens the bullies, but because we're fighting back, and they don't like it.

    I understand frustration and despair. It's a natural reaction to the continuing depredations of the unholy alliance between the oligarchs and the theocrats. But I'll thank you not to spit on the many, many people fighting tooth an nail just because Nobody Does It Like We Did It In The Sixties™.

    The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

    by lotusmaglite on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:02:42 PM PDT

    •  If there were a way to clone you . . . (6+ / 0-)

      I would pitch in a few hundred dollars to the cause.  I took the author's diary differently than your take on it, but your message is well received and I'm glad we are all on the same side of the tracks.

      •  Lawlz. If they could make the clones nicer, maybe. (3+ / 0-)
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        I would be interested in your take on the diary. As I read it, it was mostly a call to the people who rose up in the 60's: where are you now? This is not a problem for me.

        However, the underlying assumption seemed to be that without them, society has gone to hell. That's the part I was addressing.

        But I'm always looking for a new take on things, so if your fingers are feeling lively, I'm all eyes...

        The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

        by lotusmaglite on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:09:13 PM PDT

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        •  I also wonder "where did we go?" (5+ / 0-)

          I believe that human nature has a tendency to stretch itself out to self-serving light. As a rule, the children of the 60's did without in terms of household wealth.  Most of us grew up in rags and on cheap food. I had educated parents and we thought through political issues in reasoned ways. Framing the world in right and wrong was basically the only path in front of us.  Then came "better times" when right and wrong became less important than keeping your own bounty.  Conspicuous consumption became the driving force in our society.  Rush Limbaugh and Fox News began freely handing out licenses to travel down the road to serving yourself first.  And way too many children of the 60's fell for it.  It is disappointing.  That is what I took from the diary.  That is not to take away anything from you. You are much appreciated.

          •  Interesting (2+ / 0-)
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            I wonder if you lived in a poorer area growing up; the sixties in general were far more prosperous for the middle class and lower on the economic scale.

            I am disappointed that so many of the Boomers embraced the 80's wholeheartedly, but it's not such a great surprise to me, for reasons I won't get into for the sake of brevity.

            I, too, feel that the default setting for humans is greed. It's hardwired into us, an outgrowth of the survival instinct. Charity and sharing are learned values, IMHO, and we haven't had a lot of that being taught of late...

            The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

            by lotusmaglite on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:05:54 PM PDT

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    •  Thanks much for the corrective (2+ / 0-)
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      I imagine it would be intensely annoying, not to mention boring, to be constantly accosted by oldsters who complain that you haven't learned the lessons of the 60s. Particularly when no two seem able to agree on what those lessons are. As you point out, political history and popular struggles didn't cease with the end of that decade.

      One thought though: perhaps not all such folks are upset  because they think you 'ain't doing it like they done it in the 60's'.

      Speaking for myself, my concerns about the present movement lie in the opposite direction. What worries me is the degree to which the movement resembles certain aspects of the 60's. That decade has negative as well as positive lessons.

    •  Perhaps the diarist is really saying (4+ / 0-)

      that society in general, including many from the 60's generation, seems to be for the most part standing by while terrible situations continue in this country.  Nobody is spitting on anyone. It's just that unless there are massive numbers of people from ALL segments of the population who both march and take direct non-violent action, things will probably continue down the same ruinous road. Some people can only fight back by signing petitions or trying to elect a better candidate. Others are able to travel to other locations and join in a march. There's room for all and many different approaches to take. But an approach of what sounds like exclusion does not help. The diarist is I believe trying to light the proverbial fire under a collective backside. No one underestimates or does not greatly respect the efforts you described in Wisconsin or in New York against the Iraq war. Unfortunately, a far more massive nationwide series of efforts is what is needed. That and the kind of grassroots local sustainability movements that are spreading. So much is so wrong on so many fronts that those who pretty much agree on what is wrong should at the very least try to aim for unity. Take advantage of the willingness to help of those of all ages, especially those who might not have decades left for the struggle.

      •  Your points are well taken (2+ / 0-)
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        Perhaps I overstated the case. It's one of my pet peeves, the dismissive attitude toward today's activism/activists. I've heard it all my life.

        It probably would have been a better idea to ignore the relatively minor undercurrent in favor of the spirit of the diary, but what's done is done. We can only move forward from here.

        Forward, to me, means we're all on the same side, whatever our occasional minor arguments. I have no doubt that Veritas and I are pulling in the same direction...

        The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

        by lotusmaglite on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 09:29:15 PM PDT

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    •  I am so very proud of Wisconsin Labor! (4+ / 0-)

      I am so proud of what the people in Wisconsin have done, even though the battle to recall Walker was lost, I believe Wisconsin will take back their state government.  I salute you and what you are doing every day.  I am out here on the left coast and do what I can every single day.  

      I was melancholy this morning and the response here is uplifting and inspiring.  Thanks for your candid remarks.  

      I awoke in the 60's so that is my point of reference, now that I am looking at the 60's I am hoping the battle isn't over.  

      Forgive me if you feel my comments lessen the accomplishments of what people are doing today, it was not meant to be.  I just wish more were with us in this struggle.  

      I am in it to win it and will not stop until they take my ballot out of my cold dead hands.  

      I was so proud of my FIL, who died May 31st, 2 days before he passed he and I voted on our mail in ballots for the June 5th primary.  We discussed the various candidates and he voted, we mailed it the next day, and then he left on the 31st.  He voted!

      I cling to a two comments made by my daughter when she was eight years old, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." and "There are good decisions and bad decisions but you never know until you make them." Out of the mouths of babes.

      by Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 07:55:39 PM PDT

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      •  I'm terribly sorry for your loss (2+ / 0-)
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        ...and I can only do my best to help make this world a better place, for all the people who don't get to see it.

        There is a certain melancholy to having lived through the 60's and reached the present, I'm sure. There was so much change, so quickly, that all the bad in today's world must seem despairingly cemented into place. In a way, it's true. The bad guys learned a lot of lessons back then, too, and they've put the lessons to use, attacking not only our freedoms and way of life but also our very ability to fight back. Unions, voting, campaign contributions - it's all designed to take away from the people the tools of change.

        Unfortunately for them, we have grown more civilized as a people. This would be why they pay so much attention to the small minority of depraved sociopaths like Rush Limbaugh and the Tea Party extremists: to give the impression that the whole country is like this, so we might as well give up, or worse, join them.

        I'm glad you still have a lot of fight in your bones, Veritas. We'll need it. Here's to revolution.

        The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

        by lotusmaglite on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 09:16:38 PM PDT

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        •  Reading all the comments has been inspirational. (2+ / 0-)
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          Thanks so much for your comments, you are so right.  We have grown more civilized as a people, and we should, to some degree.  I am glad to see we have the fight still in us.  

          The ditto heads are easy to spot, I have to say.  I wonder sometimes if they were dropped on their heads as kids though.  They speak, I ignore them.  It is the middle of the road people that I engage.  I haven't had much of the experience of today when it comes to discussions of this level and caliber, it is enlightening.  

          I certainly didn't expect the response this diary is receiving, there are great thinkers commenting here and it is inspirational to say the least.  I am grateful there are so many people using the social media today as we do.  We can speak to one another across great distances and not be silenced by the opposition.  

          Internet access to peoples' thoughts and opinions allows new ideas in, I have spent most of the day reading the links posted here.   Thanks to all of you who took the time to comment back to me.  

          I cling to two comments made by my daughter when she was eight years old, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." and "There are good decisions and bad decisions but you never know until you make them." Out of the mouths of babes.

          by Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 09:39:08 PM PDT

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    •  No one is going to argue (1+ / 0-)
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         But in a very big picture, consider the make-up of the early Tea Partier's and who is attending town halls (at least here in TX).   They are people, aka Senior's.  These are the folks that vote early and often.
          As I am from the 60's generation, I am retired and have too much time to read and respond to what many seniors are saying on various websites - and it is pretty pathetic.
          On occasion, I attend a Young Dem meeting.  I'm too old to join, but it is very uplifting to see this group of young college students engaged in the political process.

           In a LOL moment, each generation somehow believes that they "are special", not meaning to disrespect other's  accomplishments.   We all occasionally get our own case of "aren't we special"  tunnel-vision.

            I read Tom Brokaw's book on the 60's.  Here was a mid-west guy sent to report on what was happening in San Francisco and he hadn't a clue, so he more or less rejected the entirety of what was occurring.   Perception as reality is often misrepresented due to ignorance and we are counting on folks like you to keep pushing, even if we say it badly.

      •  But I have to admit... (0+ / 0-)

        ...that Boomers seem to have it most.  

        GenX expresses it differently:   "We're real, we're honest, we're not hypocrites, we're no bullshit.  We'll get things done, not like those DFHs."  But that can be a pose, too.

        The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

        by Panurge on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:27:01 PM PDT

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  •  It's a popular misconception that 60's generation (15+ / 0-)

    were all pot-smoking, war-protesting, tree-hugging, free-loving, liberals.

    The nation was, in fact, deeply divided over desegregation,  the Vietnam War and "the counterculture"... right through the Sixties and on into the Seventies. The truth is, there were just as many "conservatives" then as there are today.

    Although open klan-style bigotry quickly became unfashionable, white resentment festered in the wake of racial desegregation. Because the federal government and federal courts were the principle agents of this change, Republicans were able to channel that resentment into a general antagonism toward "big government".

    I don't think it's any coincidence that the anti-tax jihad that originated with California's Proposition-13 in 1978 came hard on the heels of a huge school busing fight in Los Angeles County. If public schools were still segregated, we wouldn't see the hostility toward taxes and teachers unions that is so common today.

    The "religious right" was present in the sixties, but it gained power as racist families pulled their children out of integrated classrooms and enrolled them in "Christian academies". Churches could not be integrated by court order and became the refuge of white "Amerikkaners".

    The Republican Party succeeded in fully exploiting the "crypto-racism" of America's white middle class with the election of Ronald Reagan in 1980. He was elected governor in '67 by riding a wave of opposition to California's pioneering fair housing laws. By 1980 he had mastered the political code language that appealed to white Americans who yearned to turn back the clock... "It's morning in America".

    Now we're dealing with the children of those Americans. They may listen to soul music and enjoy watching Will Smith at the movies, but they share their parent's confused distrust of "big government" and antagonism toward "liberals".

    If they seem exceptionally visible and powerful today, well... we just elected the nation's first non-white president. Some kind of backlash was inevitable - and RepubliCorp is exploiting it just as skillfully as they did before.

    We just have to stay the course. The old racists are dying off, their children are mellowing with age, and their grandchildren are defecting to the other side.

    Progressive issues may have to take a back seat for now, but a successful Obama Presidency will do much to break the unholy alliance between RepubliCorp and "The Confederacy" for good.

    Have you noticed?
    Politicians who promise LESS government
    only deliver BAD government.

    by jjohnjj on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:02:55 PM PDT

  •  They are still here, but the committed and (9+ / 0-)

    educated ones were always a minority.

    A lot of people dabbled in the counter-culture.  Sex, drugs and rock and roll are pretty enticing.  But only a minority really took the values associated with civil rights and anti-war to heart.  The rest just sort of followed whatever way the wind blew.  Most decided they wanted to have the affluent lifestyle they had been brought up in and plunged into careers.  Some got turned off by the excesses of the violent fringe of the New Left.  Some became more conservative as they became more affluent.  Some ended up voting for Reagan.

    But many are still around and working for the right things.  A pretty big percentage of DKos is from the boomer generation.  I am one of them.

    The social changes started by the boomers have had some success.  Where liberals have failed the most since the 60s is in economic equality.  Read The Cause: The Fight for American Liberalism from Franklin Roosevelt to Barack Obama by Eric Alterman for a good summary of liberal history.

    "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt." Bertrand Russell

    by Thutmose V on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:15:38 PM PDT

    •  One thing about that "violent fringe": (0+ / 0-)

      Its bark seemed much worse than its bite once you noticed what was really going on.  I guess it depends on how you define "New Left".

      The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

      by Panurge on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:35:07 PM PDT

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  •  The Establishment learned their lesson (9+ / 0-)

    We have a plutocracy of the elite today. They learned to control the message via the media and they learned how to ignore us, e.g. the Iraq war protest. Citizens United decision was the last piece of the puzzle. All we can do is to speak our minds and say what could be and hold our noses and vote for Democrats. Ultimately our democracy and our economy are unstable, it almost collapsed in 2008. In the meanwhile we have the advantage that we care about the lives of our fellow citizens and can continually point out how the Conservatives are, in fact, trying to screw the people. They are continually telling the big lie. Mitt Romney is the poster boy for Conservative mendacity. We know this because we know that he doesn't believe what he says. Pointing out this chasm harms his candidacy and the Conservative cause in general. We, the children of the 60s, won't have our revolution but we can and should continually point out why the current situation politically and economically is fatally flawed.

    •  Elite purchased media - up to us to take it back! (5+ / 0-)

      Nice solution and ideas here...

      I had a vision of a way we could have no enemies ever again, if you're interested in this. Anybody interested in hearing this?

      It's kind of an interesting theory, and all we have to do is make one decisive act and we can rid the world of all our enemies at once.

      Here's what we do.

      You know all that money we spend on nuclear weapons and defense every year? Trillions of dollars.

      Instead, if we spent that money feeding and clothing the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over,
      not one human being excluded ... not one

      ... we could as one race explore inner and outer space together in peace, forever.  
      ~Bill Hicks, Comedian

  •  Every generation thinks they are the best (1+ / 0-)
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    to come along.  The one that sees the true way. I suppose it's a part of being human.  The more the times are a changing the more they stay the same.  

    Rick Perry is George Bush without brains.

    by thestructureguy on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:27:57 PM PDT

  •  This millennial asks that question all the time (4+ / 0-)

    I still don't understand how my parents' generation (though they were in their early teens during the late 60s) completely dropped the ball when it comes to everything we face now. How did one of the most selfless generations morph into one of the most selfish? Did everyone just get great jobs and money in between ages 30 to now? I don't know how an entire generation can pull a political 180, especially having grown up through it all.

    If anyone could explain that to me, I would greatly appreciate it. What happened?

    •  Propaganda. (6+ / 0-)

      When the reality in front of you doesn't match the history you know -- or when the histories don't quite match, even taking population complexities into account -- the answer's quite often propaganda.

      •   I remember (2+ / 0-)
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        My teacher was telling us how in the Soviet Union, the government lied to the people through propaganda.

        Instantly, the thought came to me that this could be happening to us Americans, too.

        Click.

        There were the times when I felt like I was on top of a roaring avalanche, as the things I'd been taught as a child began to fragment and fall apart, the falsehoods and hypocrisies becoming more obvious with each notice.

        Click. Click.
        Click click click....

        Sometimes I think the end of innocence is the beginning of wisdom, and vice versa. And I wish it didn't quite have to be that way. But then, I might be screaming at clouds. :-p

    •  A lot of people from the hippie days (1+ / 0-)
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      turned, like their parents, into authoritarians -- the ones needing to be told what to do. Big diff from someone like me who cannot hold a formal job for more than 2 years before knowing too much about the bosses and losing respect and walking out. Some people can't make their own way. They need the cubicle.

      Mitt, you're so full of shitt.

      Where have you gone, 50-state strategy?
      Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

      by OleHippieChick on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:29:21 PM PDT

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    •  We were divided (2+ / 0-)
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      The 60s kicked off enormous divisive changes.  Because we were living through them we thought we had started them but instead we really were just left with the aftermath when we actually grew into adulthood.  Plus we grew up in the postwar boom and we had no idea it would end so we had no plan when it did.

  •  Hey, I thought of a smarter way to get it for you. (8+ / 0-)

    Photobucket

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:35:09 PM PDT

    •  thanks for this. (5+ / 0-)

      What was the comic?  Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers?  Something like that.  Phineus Freak?  I remember the classic saying : "Dope will get you through times of more money better than money will get you through times of no dope. "

      I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

      by TomP on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 03:48:18 PM PDT

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    •  Mom had zig-zags in her stuff. (3+ / 0-)
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      She used them to role the occasional Bugler smoke when she ran out of her "Tailor-mades"  when Phineus showed up, she used to laugh because he was on a pack of papers I had...she told me zig-zags were better because they had gun powder in them and kept your smoke burning...

      Years later she asked me just what it was I was rolling in those papers, I told her, she laughed... then when she discovered the Dead, after Jerry... "Truckin like the do-dah man" clicked for her.  She commented on the cartoon character and the papers.  It was great having her live with me in her last years, we healed a lot of wounds.  

      She was born in 1914 and Dad in 1900 they married later than most and I grew up with parents the age of most people's grandparents.  They brought their experience, strength and hope to me in the 60's and they were progressive enough to admit their mistakes.  How lucky for me to have them at my back.  

      Today, my Dad would be at OWS with a sign spelled properly!  He used to take me out to the fields after the harvest was done and we gleaned the fields for the St. Vincent de Paul kitchen, downtown.  I loved being with him, I learned the lesson of taking care of the people who weren't lucky enough to have a 100 pound sack of pinto beans in their pantry.  (I thought it was because we loved pinto beans.)  So we picked cabbages, carrots, onions and the like and took them downtown.  He was devoted to helping and I loved that in him.

      Mom sewed for people and cooked for people and we had guests at our table nearly every weekend.  When things got scarce we had lots of pot-lucks at our house.  I thought they were parties and they were, years later she told me it was easier for everybody to make a little and combine it together with all the other offerings and we ate, sang songs, played music and enjoyed the tough times together.  We had chickens, in the city, and everybody around us had fresh eggs for the cost of chicken scratch and table scraps.  We always had a garden, fruit trees and we canned everything.  I still have to scratch the ground and plant each spring.  

      We took care of one another, I admit my husband and I would have a lot more stashed away if he wasn't so generous with everyone who needs a little help, but that is the way we grew up.  If you have 2 you share one, if you have 1 you cut it in half.  We are a different mind set  compared to the ditto heads, and for that I am grateful.

      Thanks for your kindness today.  Mom is smiling down on us and Dad is laughing and saying, get out and organize like I taught you and quit your bitching.  

      I cling to two comments made by my daughter when she was eight years old, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." and "There are good decisions and bad decisions but you never know until you make them." Out of the mouths of babes.

      by Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 09:58:33 PM PDT

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  •  As a child of the 60's (8+ / 0-)

    I graduated from high school in 1965 and from college in 1969.  I was a child of the sixties, but I was not the liberal/progressive that I am today.  I was actually fairly conservative politically even though I was not conservative in my personal life style.  I looked and acted the hippie lifestyle.

    It took getting into the real world and working at a local govt. job in which I came into contact with poor people who could not read or write.  The shock of that is what profoundly changed me.  The majority of these people were black and elderly.  They had a distrust for the govt. and rightly so.  The government was something that existed for whites and rich people.  It never helped them, it took their homes and communities for urban renewal projects, and treated them as though they were invisible.  It was then that I opened my eyes to the white privilege I had always enjoyed and saw that I needed to be a part of the change.  That meant changing my political views too.  Now I look very middle America, but I wholeheartedly embrace change if it means betterment for my fellow citizens.

    Unfortunately, the majority of people I went to high school with are still mired in their conservative ways.  They cannot be reached or changed because they do not want to change.  

    One comment on Occupy.  I noticed that majority of the people heavily involved in my local occupation were either very young, under the age of 30 or over the age of 55.

    "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

    by gulfgal98 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:36:01 PM PDT

    •  As if there were an Occupy handbook, (4+ / 0-)

      some of the younger Occupiers accuse us older ones of "trying to relive the sixties." Now that's insulting. We get it, we get the new consciousness. We just know how long momentum takes to build. The kids speak of direct democracy -- all well and good -- I ask them if they've ever been to a condo board meeting, you want direct democracy...take an aspirin kid and call me tomorrow.

      Mitt, you're so full of shitt.

      Where have you gone, 50-state strategy?
      Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

      by OleHippieChick on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:34:43 PM PDT

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  •  I got politically active in the 80s. (5+ / 0-)

    Most of the people I was involved with in building a progressive coalition that could win elections in Austin, Tx were about the same age.  We graduated from college during a span of years covering the 70s.  

    We worked hard, we were very disciplined, we won enough elections over enough time that the real powers actually were paying attention.  Then it started to fall prey to entropy.  A bunch of our member got elected.  Some of us got appointed to commissions, and a lot of others went on to graduate school and moved away.  We didn't have a lot of time to spend on cultivating the younger generation coming up from behind and so by around the mid 2000s, it was not what it once had been.

    Recently a couple of outstanding candidates from back then lost by large margins.  

    There are a variety of reasons for what is going on.  Most people are concerned with keeping the comfort of middle class living or some semblance of it if they have it.  Those who are finding the middle class dream is falling out from under them are likely too freaked out to be very political.

    I think that in general, there has been too much emphasis on protest over the years.  Mainly there has not been a lot of opportunity to go beyond protest and actually build policies.

    As I have gotten older, and able to look back over a lot of election cycles since the first one I was aware of, when JFK won, I see a need to get beyond the immediate focus on the next election coming up.  GOTV is a good and necessary focus, but someone has to be able to apply experience and vision from it to a longer term strategy.  

    There is a lot at stake.  So I am working on what ways a child of the sixties can do as an elder that might help.  It is not an easy thing to contemplate, but we are in a mess, indeed.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:50:37 PM PDT

    •  I thought GOTV would be one of the next steps (2+ / 0-)
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      for Occupy, and if not GOTV, at least the completely non-partisan action of registering people to vote. But the argument is the present system doesn't work, why should we continue to feed it?
      Unfortunately, until something else is in place, we are stuck with the system we have, and I don't intend to sit out voting waiting for the miraculous new realization to develop as to how to live with each other. It's unrealistic pie-in-the-sky. That's why I GOTV -- it really is all we have at this time.

      Mitt, you're so full of shitt.

      Where have you gone, 50-state strategy?
      Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

      by OleHippieChick on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:41:57 PM PDT

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      •  "Doesn't work" is a matter of framing. (0+ / 0-)

        The correct response is, "Then how can we make it work?"  

        Think of how the GOP line is "Government doesn't work", and how they use that as an means to take government apart.  We're supposed to infer that what they mean is that government CAN'T work.  (The same framing is behind the statement "_ is broken", whether that be government, The System, or '70s arena-rock.)  But they can't say that straight out, because it would be exposed as the absurdity that it is.  

        The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

        by Panurge on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:53:16 PM PDT

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    •  Texas in the 80's and 90's was fun. (1+ / 0-)
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      I found living in Texas in the 80's and 90's a challenge because people didn't understand how their vote was diluted in the primaries.  Like so many good people, they thought if they voted in the primary their candidate got their vote... not!

      Texas was under federal scrutiny for voter practices in the 80's and through the 90's.  Texas had been ordered to use one of the three methods legally allowed for primary vote ballots, of course being Texas we had all three.  

      I spent countless hours walking our precinct registering voters and informing people they had to vote on election day and then return at close of the polls and caucus.  The caucus choice was installed (in my opinion) to dilute the minority vote.  At the Caucus the entire precinct was divided by the actual people who came back, signed in and wrote down their candidate and by show of hands voted the entire precinct.  (literacy tests in my opinion)  Delegates to the county convention where assigned by the caucus votes.  

      The shenanigans came from the precinct chairman, he was the keeper of the information regarding the convention and so knowing this we had one delegate planted in his camp so we knew when and where the convention would be held.  We all showed up and took our seats at the county convention and raised our hands for our candidate.   He was livid and made every attempt to not seat the valid delegates from our caucus vote.  

      Those votes cast set the number of delegates to the state convention, it was finally at the state convention where the primary vote count was cast and counted.  

      Texas was a fun place in the 80's and the 90's.  

      I cling to two comments made by my daughter when she was eight years old, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." and "There are good decisions and bad decisions but you never know until you make them." Out of the mouths of babes.

      by Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 08:28:22 PM PDT

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  •  Right here- havent moved a damned inch. (8+ / 0-)

    Busy with my fiancee, the kids, the legal cases, teaching the kids what PROGRESSIVE VS GREEDY MEANS.

    Just gave $20.00 to the Obama campaign- hard money from SSD and VA Comp. Not easy. Not running air conditioner this summer. Not after $600.00 electric bills from AEP Ohio. Rather send that money to re elect our best friend.

     

    I'm tired of living in a world where I can't be friends with veterans because I'm transgender and I can't be friends with transgenders because I'm a veteran.

    by glbTVET on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 12:51:12 PM PDT

    •  FREE ENERGY is out there vet! Google... lot of (2+ / 0-)
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      links to support these wonderful ideas.  Just now coming out in small ways - despite the typical suppression by those who wish to profit and control at OUR EXPENSE.  
      People are tired of the sick game.  No more.  Time for change is NOW.

      "Veterans are the light at the tip of the candle, illuminating the way for the whole nation. If veterans can achieve awareness, transformation, understanding, and peace, they can share with the rest of society the realities of war. And they can teach us how to make peace with ourselves and each other, so we never have to use violence to resolve conflicts again." -- Thich Nhat Hanh
  •  Where? All around you. (5+ / 0-)

    We never went very far, and settled in deep when we did.
    Nowadays, the long hair and jeans may (or may not) be gone, but often the bumper stickers remain.
    Some of us are vets.  More are not.
    It matters less as I get older.
    I guess some of us are pretty invisible.  
    Not wealthy, not famous, not flashy, not noisy...
    'Just sitting here, running my business, raising my fahustlingstling the politicians, smoking a little weed, drinking a little whiskey, makin' a lwhoopeehoopie and generally getting too fat.
    But we vote.
    And sometimes we organize, more so when the kids are grown and moved out.
    And yeah, we generally support the Democrats, not because we agree with everything every Dem does, but because they're the best game in town in terms of giving us the world we want.

    So fear not.  Check out some of the greybeards around you.  The white haired lady knitting next to you on the train might be a major fundraiser for progressive causes with decades of experience and stories.
    Or maybe she'd like to be.

  •  Right here (5+ / 0-)

    The first thing we learned was that anybody, anybody, could be killed for wrongthink.  

    But still right here.

    "Republicans are poor losers and worse winners." - My grandmother, sometime in the early 1960s

    by escapee on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 01:17:25 PM PDT

  •  This question... (0+ / 0-)

    ..has been asked here before.

    OPOL wrote a diary about it one time.

    I said (in the comment section) the children of the '60's got a college degree, got a haircut, bought Volvos & got jobs working for corporate America.

    OPOL said something to the effect that no, the children of the '60's were shot down in the streets by the Man.

    I think I'll stick with my version.

    When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

    by wyvern on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 01:19:46 PM PDT

  •  The 60's was mostly sheep (2+ / 0-)
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    Mindless people following the herd. For every hippie and beatnik there were 5 people in suits and dresses.

    What made it different is that a small minority of enlightened young people got media attention, and a cultural meme began.

    The media was focused on the young because they had the buying power, the demographics to warrant that attention. And the young were focused on this small minority of outrageous people. Many of the people in suits/dresses consumed their popculture byproducts, music, some fashion, etc. But they didn't really ever fully buy into their values. They still wanted the white picket fence and the Christian family, etc.

    Still, everything was about the future. There was so much hope and so much belief in the future being broadcast by the media. In my opinion, it was very healthy for our society.

    But as time went on, the media lost interest in the counter-culture, it wasn't shocking anymore. They started focusing on balancing out that attention, especially in the 80's when there was this new mantra of business culture and moneymaking.

    The difference between then and now is that the media is still focused on the Baby Boomers, but now the Baby Boomers are older and have the interests of older people. So the media has changed to appeal to them. It demonizes the young. It scares people wrt the future.

    That will stop when the demographics change. But probably not before.

  •  In my opinion, we have been made (2+ / 0-)
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    fearful, not by terrorist attacks but by the relentless drone  about scary blacks, Muslims, gays, etc. If you listened to Beck there would be elements of rationality but then he used them to veer into scarey land. Conspiracies lurking everywhere but mostly with the libruls or the democrats or the librul media.

    So we are now over 50% cowardly. We welcome torture for the other guy because he, whoever he is at the moment is just too scarifying. We welcome drones, renditions, illegal detentions. We welcome some idjit shooting a kid with skittles and ice tea. We welcome police beating up on protesters.

    (And no, most of us here do not welcome those things, but I have seen comments welcoming cops beating up on protesters and few people willing to come out in protest against such actions. We do have enough however, that some of the insane treatments of people have stopped when we got our act together and  called the appropriate people. And I suspect most of us do not like to do that. I would rather email myself. But I am speaking about the nation as a whole. And I am not happy about it. And we do not have any kind of pr action that would mitigate it that I can see.)

    To live a creative life, we must lose our fear of being wrong. -Joseph Chilton Pearce

    by glitterscale on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 01:28:30 PM PDT

  •  It's not because of gadgets (5+ / 0-)

    At least not entirely.  It's because the Conservatives had a plan since Goldwater, and it slowly built up over time.  By the time Reagan had appeared, their Machine was up and running, tearing down the fabric of the Middle Class all in their facade of "privatization" and "ownership society."  

    They've utilized code words like "lazy" for the poor and African Americans, which is nothing shy of outright racism.

    They've cornered the Evangelical market despite the fact Jimmy Carter is an Evangelist himself (rather clever of them, really) by telling the rural folks and blue collar workers we Secular Humanists (i.e. us Libruls) are after their God and want to create a Marxist, Communist, Atheist Utopia for all.  We want to abort those babies we don't like and don't want so we can create a better society.  The Bible means nothing to us.

    We also want your guns so you cannot defend yourself when us Commie Secular Humanists raid your house and farm.

    We want the women, I mean the FemiNazis in our society to stand up for themselves and have the same equal footing as men.  Not to mention being able to abort all unborn babies at the drop of a dime if they get pregnant so they won't have to deal with the responsibility of having children when they don't want them.

    We want those who make the most amount of money to be taxed hard so that our Librul Communist Government can be strong and keep everyone on an equal footing financially.  There may be long lines to buy bread and milk, but at least our Government will be strong.

    These things and many more bits of propagand are what the Right Wing Noise Machine has created, starting with the John Birch Society and Heritage Foundation, to Faux News, Moonie Times, World Net Daily, National Review, Rush Limbaugh, Drudge, and other wingnut blowhards on the TV, radio, bloggers on the internet and other news outlets.  Information gets passed down from one Wingnut outlet to the next with themes and connotations like those mentioned above, and the Machine just works absolutely beautifully.  Really, from an outside standpoint, you have to marvel at how well they've made their Machine work.

    But from our standpoint, we've gotten fucking owned by it, period.  True, we have fought back well at times with, well, facts and stuff.  And we have won a few elections here and there both in the Executive and Legislative. In recent times I contend much of our wins has been the direct result of citizens occasionally waking up to seeing just how destructive the Machine is to their lives, rather than us Commie Libruls fighting back the respect and hope of the public.  Because truth be told, although I applaud our grassroots and GOTV efforts, it still cannot stand up very well to the Machine.

    And I don't know how or when the Machine can be defeated in any way.  Especially now with SCOTUS in the belly of the Machine and making unbelievable decisions like Citizens United that only makes the Machine that much stronger.  I personally only see one ending that may result in someting worthwhile: an uprising.  A revolution.  A real one.  And I think it's beginning to happen.  Jesse and the Occupy Wall Street group may be just the beginning.  Then again they may not be much at all.  Time will tell.

    Lawrence, KS - From ashes to immortality

    by MisterOpus1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 01:53:18 PM PDT

    •  Eisenhower warned us. (3+ / 0-)

      You know Eisenhower warned us about the build up of the war machine, I remember the political discussions going on at our family table when he was the POTUS.  Even though both of my parents voted Democrat and were Catholic we heard a lot of discussion about how Eisenhower.  That was a tough election and JFK barely got in.  

      I was never a big LBJ fan, he was a powerful man because he had so much dirt on so many people, He used that dirt to control Congress for years.  I believe he got the VP job because it is better to have skunk in your tent pissing out then outside your tent pissing in.   I believe it was HHH who really pushed our agendas in the 60's and 70's and he doesn't get enough credit for it.  HHH was ahead of his time.  

      Vietnam was a tough time, and I was shocked when we went into Iraq.  After 9-11, I still have a vivid memory of my oldest grandson running out to me the day we invaded Iraq.  He was excited about what was happening.  He said to me, "Aren't you excited about the war Nanna?"  I snapped at him, "NO, it's a stupid thing we have done"  He was so shocked, I saw the look on his face, and I tried to smooth things over and explain why I felt the way I did but he was so young and he felt so patriotic that day.   (I still think I should have been kinder with my answer.)  Today he is 18 years old and I am terrified he will join the military for a job... as so many of our young people have had to do.  

      I so respect their patriotism and their dedication, but I still vividly remember Vietnam.  We have lost over 6,465 men and women to this war.  The war machine grows, it is more and more privatized, too many people are in it to make money, not a difference.  Our soldiers are dedicated and when they come home, there are no jobs, inadequate support services for PSTS and so many commit suicide.  

      We killed Bin Laden, thanks to Seal Team Six, now want this government to wrap it up and bring our soldiers home, spend that money on the Veterans, on jobs, soldiers have skills to build roads, bridges, building, rebuild our infrastructure.  The skills I received in the Seabees gave me job opportunities when I finished my tour of duty in the mid 70's.  I will always be grateful for what I learned with them.  

      When it all comes crashing down I will be able to climb back on that D-10 and push dirt and build again because of what I learned back then.  My service paid my return to college and my education that has provided my income.  I have options because of what I learned in the military.  

      But if we continue this war, we will not have a generation of empowered people coming up behind us, we will lose them to the cemeteries.  "Where have all the flowers gone?"

      Thanks for all the kind comments and allowing me to rant, I am inspired and humbled.  

      I cling to two comments made by my daughter when she was eight years old, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." and "There are good decisions and bad decisions but you never know until you make them." Out of the mouths of babes.

      by Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 08:59:58 PM PDT

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  •  They were killing the liberals (6+ / 0-)

    So many went into the rural areas. People call them "hippies" and have derided them for decades now.

    There's something about being beaten, arrested and killed that makes you want to check out of the political process, especially when you see that it doesn't seem to make much of a difference.

    That, along with the long con that the right wingers have been running now for decades, has led to the very liberal people going "underground" and quietly working on sustainability, which they know will someday be necessary for the human species to survive.

    Women create the entire labor force.

    by splashy on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 01:56:50 PM PDT

  •  The 60's (1+ / 0-)
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     We LET them take "IT' away from us..Our generation was just too tired of fighting.And now, it's time for our youngest voters to get our country back.It' up to us, the PEOPLE to help them, guide them, support them, in a quest we should have finished.  Ronny was not the beginning of the end, just the start of the next chapter of a battle that's been going on since before this country was a country. Not the 1%, the 400 families that OWN the 1%, and the only way to become 'THE LAND OF THE FREE"again is to VOTE..  

  •  Here. (6+ / 0-)

    Appalled, but still here.  Hang on.  We're not licked yet.  The first black president is in the White House, after all.  

  •  Having achieved the ending of (1+ / 0-)
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    the peacetime draft, the embarrassments of Richard M Nixon, the semi-legalization of mind alterring drugs (for the white, wealthy classes, at least) many of the children of the 60s grew up to become the narcissists of the 70s, the computer technogeeks of the 80s, the 401K styled investor classes of the 90s, and then when Bush stole the election in 2000, they became marginalized and demonized, and cut off from the standard media and normal public discourse, mostly by illicit means, in the first decade of the 21st century.

    Of course, many people active in the 60s did not live to see the 70s, let alone the whitewashing and fabrication and myths of the late 90s and beyond.

    H'mm. I'm not terribly into this, anymore.

    by Knarfc on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 02:44:09 PM PDT

  •  I agree with previous posters. (1+ / 0-)
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    The "greatest generation" who defeated Hitler and installed democracy in Germany and Western Europe went on to put Nixon and Reagan into office and ruin our country.  What a bunch of racist, bigoted, greedy, deranged jerks.

  •  No, you are not alone. (3+ / 0-)
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    The very fact that you have this site as a place to post your thoughts, and we have this site to share your views, proves that you are not completely alone.

    But it sure feels lonely, sometimes, out here on the fringes of what used to be the middle of the road, before it veered hard right and headed for that huge cliff over there.

    Carry on!   We're with you.

    "Y'know what intelligent people call someone who runs around saying NO to everything all the time? A three-year-old who needs a nap." BiPM

    by stevenwag on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 03:07:39 PM PDT

  •  Most people forget ... (5+ / 0-)

    ... that we were outnumbered in the 1960s, as well.

    Nonetheless, we are still here.

  •  Change is not gradual. . . (2+ / 0-)
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    . . .it comes periodically, but it comes. We are just in the midst of a bad spell.

    At least I think so.

  •  I'm one and I'm right here, I'm on Twit, (4+ / 0-)

    I'm at the OFA HQ entering data, today I cooked the kids a huge batch of curried chicken and rice. We're here, not all of us, but a lot of us.
    The gadgets are a major problem. Everyone is connected but they're isolated. They can be six feet away from each other but they don't speak, they text or whatever. It's a disturbing phenomenon. Democracy isn't a spectator sport and it doesn't like being ignored. It withers and atrophies.

    Mitt, you're so full of shitt.

    Where have you gone, 50-state strategy?
    Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.

    by OleHippieChick on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:02:46 PM PDT

  •  I grew up in a blue state next to D.C. (5+ / 0-)

    My parents were liberals. Everyone I knew protested the war when I was in high school. I didn't know anyone my age who was for the war in Vietnam. It was pretty much a given that if you were in high school in Maryland you were anti war.

    It's been very eye opening being on FB to see how many people I used drugs with in high school became christian right wingers. I'm not sure how that happened. I didn't change, I'm just as liberal as I was then - maybe even more liberal.

    I really do think we were more engaged in the 60's and 70's because there was the draft. Start a draft now and you would see a whole lot of 18 year old suddenly getting off their asses and doing something. There is nothing like becoming enslaved by the military by force to wake an 18 year old up.;-)

    O great creator of being grant us one more hour to perform our art and perfect our lives. ::: Jim Morrison :::

    by Kevanlove on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:10:11 PM PDT

  •  Right here. (3+ / 0-)
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    Our stories are so similar, including losing dad too soon. I was just 16. He hadn't changed, but I know he would have where he needed to, he was a thinker. Told me TV would rot my brain. I have not had a TV my whole adult life. He told me, in 1965, that pesticides would cause cancers.
    I vote, I rabblerouse, register voters, make calls, write letters and LTEs.
    Still here. Still fighting.

    "Authoritarians are attracted to equality because it justifies treating everyone equally shabbily." ~hannah~

    by emmasnacker on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 04:38:08 PM PDT

  •  I don't know about everybody else, but I'm right (3+ / 0-)
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    here. I left home at the age of twelve, and lived on the streets of Philadelphia for two years, then headed west for the summer of love. Haight St. (1500 block of Waller, really) until '69. I was still a street kid, but the weather and drugs were better. When I was younger, my mother had taken me to here a debate between Jack Kennedy and Dick Nixon at a shopping center. I heard women say they were going to vote for Kennedy because he was cute, and I knew then I had no interest in politics. Left San Francisco after witnessing a murder, and being seen witnessing said murder. I arrived back in Pennsylvania to...nothing.

    So, I joined the army in '69 to get off the streets. Two tours in Viet Nam. Alcoholism, drug addiction, PTSD, eventually AA. My second tour in Viet Nam politicized me, I saw too much, did too much. And again, came home to...nothing.

    Flunked out of a big eastern ivy because it interfered with my drinking, worked in construction, came west again, worked the oil patch and a shrimper in the gulf, got to California and worked in civil construction until I broke my neck. Now I'm self-employed, more or less, and do a very small part-time gig as a church sexton, even though I'm not a member of the or a church or religion. I do a lot of volunteer work with the homeless, vets, dual diagnosis patients as well as alcoholics and addicts.

    The only thing that has remained constant in my life is that I am a child not of the 60's, but of the working class. That's who filled the ranks of the infantry in the 60's and early 70's, that's who lived on the streets, that's who came home from the war to no jobs for you, baby killer dope fiend.

    So now I listen to the political debates that rage, and I hear about people, good Americans, who are in danger of slipping from the middle class into poverty, and I remember when there was a working class in there between them. We did not get promoted into the middle class. We became the working poor, and still are, to a very great extent. And I remember the architects of the destruction of the working class. Reagan, Clinton, and the middle class managers who gladly threw us overboard to sink or swim, and are now begging for my dollars to fight for their prosperity. After treading water all these years, I'll be God damned if I'm going to throw them back into the boat.

    I vote democratic, generally, and know I am choosing the lesser of two evils. And I vote every election, because I still have hope this can work, because I've seen it work. I'm one of those optimistic children of the 60's, but I'm also a very old child of the streets and a very cynical child of the working class.

    How did you spend your summer vacation?

    I quit school very young, and never learned how to believe things just because I was told to.

    by socalmonk on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:10:20 PM PDT

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      12 DEC 1983, glad to hear you know him too.  I tend to follow Dr. Bob's lead more so than Bill though.  Thanks for reaching out!

      I cling to a two comments made by my daughter when she was eight years old, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." and "There are good decisions and bad decisions but you never know until you make them." Out of the mouths of babes.

      by Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 07:59:40 PM PDT

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    •  socalmonk, my experience differed greatly from (2+ / 0-)
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      yours because of the environs I grew up in-the military.  Which as you may know has it's very own culture & (at least when I was living in it) a way of isolating/insulating from the "civilian" world.  And in those days & times, rigid
      rules were in place regarding fraternizing between NCO & CO, seperate housing locations, pools, clubs...

      The MIAs/POWs, the drafted, altered, killed that I initially encountered as an adolescent were from the CO ranks.

      My first encounter with a civilian & then an NCO casualty happened-by accident- ( I believe serendipity) when I was a teenager.

      The civilian-a lovely young Vietnamese woman whose nose, both ears were totally gone & pretty much the rest of her skin & patches of hair- melted. (ya know by what)

      I literally rounded a corner in the military hospital that I was bopping around in & came face to face with her as she was undergoing mobility-gait re-training. Slow mo shuffle.

      The NCO casualty appeared one day during my PT session.  That day, I could not see what was happening but I heard whimpers become screams of agony.

       The next time, I did see because I altered my therapy time so that I was free to sit with him-sing to him-jabber non stop to him-hold what was holdable as blackend skin was scrubbed & then tweezered off of both of his arms-from shoulder to fingertips.

      Because of those two individuals (and later experiences) I was no longer insulated/isolated; less unaware.  

      And because of them my first steps into volunteering was born.   And the beginnings of a righteous fury.

      I stayed "with" them both in whatever capacity needed until they left the hospital-every day after school, every weekend for as long as was allowable (closing..er kicked out)

      They've stayed within me-always- over the decades; others joining them along the way.

      I did not suffer what you & too many others suffered, witnessed, experienced or survived.  Some upthread have mentioned the lack of a true understanding unless one has lived "it"-experienced "it"-been immersed in "it"-encountered "it".

      I agree.  

      I somehow had a vague realization of this truth back then.  So as soon as I could, I purposefully left that ivory towered life behind -not to save the world-but to try to gain a truer understanding so that I could fight for or shield or heal or aid or build-however & whenever possible.  

      Over 40 years & many many paths later I am still gaining awareness & insights from immersion or encounter-or experiences.  

      The work never stops.  Neither does the need to continue to see, to understand, to bear witness.

      I learn much here on DKos from the many who strive to share what needs to be known & needs to be understood; whose sword is their time, talent, money, keyboard, sharing, comfort, advocacy, community, etal.

      Perhaps oft times never knowing what ripple effects are set into motion towards the greater good.  What understandings are awakened.

  •  Reagan, Racism and Reaction (2+ / 0-)
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    A combination of factors caused the reaction after the '60s:

    1.  Nixon's southern strategy, fulfilling LBJ's prediction that the Civil Rights laws would doom the Dems in the South for a generation.  (He was wrong, it's been longer than a generation.)

    2.  Reagan's use of racism to create the Reagan Democrat and the extension of the Southern Strategy North -- this is not just generational -- boomers, gen X's and Depression Era generations all succumbed to some extent to the "young bucks" dog whistles by Reagan.

    3.  Rise of the Religious Right after Roe v. Wade, in which preachers convinced their flocks that abortion trumped their own economic interests.

    4. Relentless demonization of the Sixties by the right -- The movements of the '60s -- feminist, gay, anti-war, sexual, secular -- terrified the reactionaries, who have been fighting a 50 years rearguard action to reverse them.

    Many boomers, like those of us here, retained the progressive vision, but many lost it, along with other generations.

    The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

    by Upper West on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:23:59 PM PDT

  •  as others have said (2+ / 0-)
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    we are still here.  we did not go anywhere.  and we are still politically active.  do not lose heart.

    don't mourn, organize.

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    DEMAND CREATES JOBS

    by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 05:28:59 PM PDT

  •  Both my conservative parents are dead, as is my (0+ / 0-)

    conservative brother, but I, the lefty of the family, am still here.

    You are not alone!

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:19:40 PM PDT

  •  My 15 year old (1+ / 0-)
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    Is glued to Occupy. He gets it. He regularly asks me to take him downtown to participate in protests. He likes making posters about 99% vs. 1%, including real economic data. He subscribes to Nouriel Roubini's twitter feed.

    He's quite a kid.

    “No, Mitt, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they love, they cry, they dance, they live and they die. Learn the difference.”-- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:24:05 PM PDT

    •  Great news! (2+ / 0-)
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      Tell your 15 year old it's KUDOS from me!  Keep hungry for the truth and the lies won't have a place to grow!  Way to go!  KUDOS to you for raising him to think for himself!

      I cling to two comments made by my daughter when she was eight years old, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." and "There are good decisions and bad decisions but you never know until you make them." Out of the mouths of babes.

      by Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 10:07:55 PM PDT

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  •  Well, we thought we'd won. (2+ / 0-)
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    we thought we'd changed the world and there's no going back, The problem is the bigots and the rest of their extreme right wing ilk  have never gone away, and they've been plotting and scheming non stop, while most go about life taking for granted the hard fought rights they enjoy, these people have been hard at work chipping away at these very rights, and they've found many new tools. the very worst of course is Fox news.
     Perhaps we should study history more carefully next time we think we've won.

    Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the culture

    by nezzclay on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 06:31:03 PM PDT

  •  the 60s ended in1980. (0+ / 0-)

    A majority of your 60s colleagues drank the kool aid that trickle down wealth would flow.  They willingly gave up pensions and union protections and waited for the profits to be shared.  They came back to the dems to elect the first pres of their generation in 1992, and after 9/11, turned into hawks to fight a "just" war of revenge.  After the market collapsed, and their 401k crapped the bed, they became the tea party.  

  •  What happened (0+ / 0-)

    The repeal of the fairness doctrine during the Reagan years resulted in the extremist "conservative" propaganda bombarding the media (Fox News, Right Talk radio), that has had such an influence on lazy thinkers.

  •  You know what would be nice? (4+ / 0-)

    It would be nice if there were some official notice taken, at some point, of the fact that in many many different ways, the freaks were goddamn right.

    Was LBJ in fact lying his ass off to the American people about the war in Vietnam? Was Nixon lying his ass off about that too? You bet they were. They lied the US into war, killed millions in the name of fighting communism, and left a mess that has taken decades to clean up. MacNamara had the decency to visit Vietnam to apologize. Did anybody notice over here?

    Was it right to desegregate the schools and the colleges and have all people, black and white, sitting at the same lunch counters together? Was it right to allow black people and white people to get married and have kids? Was it right to not have to get pregnant if you didn't want to?

    We are even now finding that the drugs of choice that the freaks used have a pile of genuine therapeutic uses.

    Does anyone acknowledge this? The hell they do!

    Instead the media keeps crapping all over the "hippies" and the "Sixties radicals" and speaking of them dripping with contempt and dismissing the Occupy movement by comparison with them, even though the youngest people who could have experienced the Summer of Love firsthand are now sixty years old.

    I was born in '77, in a world that the freaks had significantly reshaped. As a result of the sexual revolution, I had and have a more equal relationship with my wife and a happier relationship with my daughters. I have the privilege of having friends of different races to my own. I eat cleaner food and have cleaner air, and live in a world freed from the nightmare of mutually assured destruction. I have the boomers, and particularly the freaks, to thank for starting this revolution on behalf of people like me who weren't yet born or even imagined.

    I know that even now, if the President pointed out these very obvious facts, he'd be hounded from office. It might not be acceptable for him to say these things. But they're goddamn true, so I'm going to say them.

    Thank you. You changed more than you can readily imagine, not just in the United States but across the world. Thank you.

  •  Thank You - N/T (1+ / 0-)
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    "Upward, not Northward" - Flatland, by EA Abbott

    by linkage on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 09:39:25 PM PDT

  •  shopping - tuned out - pissing in the wind in (1+ / 0-)
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    some professional leftie retard battle ...

    I think most of them are shopping.

    rmm.

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 09:46:40 PM PDT

  •  oh, we're here, still losing (0+ / 0-)

    We lost to Nixon, then Reagan. Then our Democratic Party lurched to the right and accepted neo-liberal Reaganomics. Two southern Govenors were elected on the democratic ticket and governed from the right. They betrayed the unions and used GOP votes to get their policies through. Clinton gave us "welfare reform" and kicked thousands of poor and minority women into the streets. The vicious "School of the Americas" thrived under both democrats and GOPers to kill and murder any move towards democracy in this hemisphere. Liberals were purged out of government and out of power in the Democratic Party. Soon there was very little difference between the parties, both began to serve the uber-rich and the banksters.
     In between the GOP held power and used their "southern strategy" to divide the nation by race. White people flocked to the GOP out of fear of losing their power over the "others". Now the white majority is over 60% Republican and accepts their tea party outlook about the nation. The forty percent of whites and their minority allies have been losing steadily, however demographics tell us that we'll soon be in the majority and the worm may turn.

    All that time we children of the 60's kicked back and smoked our weed until it was too damn late. Welcome to the police state.

    America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

    by cacamp on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 09:48:56 PM PDT

  •  I'd like to offer a ray of hope (2+ / 0-)

    if I may.

    My kids are 17 and 19 - the ages of kids who have grown up in the shadow of Bush/Cheney, in the aftermath of 9/11, and have lived or seen the fallout of the 2008 financial meltdown.

    They, and their friends, don't care - they don't care if someone is gay or bi (because kids are coming out in junior high and high school); they don't care what race/color someone is, because they or many of their peers are multi-racial or multi-ethnic; they treat male and female friends equally. Seriously, I've seen it with my own eyes.

    They have empathy, humanity, and that's what drives their world view.

    They call each other brother and sister. The boys hug and say "I love you brother" (men my age never would do that short of a life or death situation).

    I have had many of these kids tell me how they reject their parents' religious/conservative views; but they talk to me. A few are libertarian.

    I tell them, if you are interested in a candidate, Google them. See what they said a year ago, or ten years ago, and make your own decision about how you feel, especially when it comes to casting your vote (I browbeat every one of them to register).

    These kids describe me as "intelligent". Because I talked this stuff with them, and didn't dismiss their views. And they don't dismiss mine, either. I want them to be interested, and aware. Today's libertarian young adult might well be tomorrow's progressive or liberal.

    When they come over, I've got Ed, Lawrence, Rachel on TV (and used to have Keith, hopefully again soon!).  They know exactly where I stand.

    Full disclosure - I have a feeling the Libertarian kids like the stance on marijuana legalization, but know little else. That's why I told them to Google Ron Paul.  :-)

    I was born in 1967; I like to say I was born the winter after the Summer of Love. Sounds poetic to me LOL!

    The kids of the 60's are still with us; we need to get them out of the woodwork, I think.

    The kids born of the children born in the 60's are coming up quick. They are worried, and frightened, and struggling. I truly believe that they will write the next chapter, and do better than we can right now. Maybe it is up to us to prepare the way?

    Only time will tell. But it's the kids that are giving me hope. Cuz they are as sick of this bs as we are.

    This is what makes me hang on to hope.

    Thanks for your post - tipped and rec'd.

    Peace!

    Equality. It's for everybody.

    by SueM1121 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 09:56:38 PM PDT

    •  KUDOS to you and your kids too!! (1+ / 0-)
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      "They have empathy, humanity, and that's what drives their world view."  

      We will one day be truly empathetic, I do believe that to be true.  I hope it comes sooner than later.

      Thanks for your comments and inspirations.

      I cling to two comments made by my daughter when she was eight years old, "Ignorance can be fixed, stupid is forever." and "There are good decisions and bad decisions but you never know until you make them." Out of the mouths of babes.

      by Veritas1 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 10:10:11 PM PDT

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  •  Thanks for your diary. I agree with (1+ / 0-)
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    you, I was there and knew families who went through what you and your family went through.

    I've watched the country move to the right starting with Reagan; I thought Clinton would bring it back.  Then I thought Obama would bring it back.  

    Obviously it's more than one president can do... even if he/she tried.

    In the 60s we took to the streets.  Over time, the social activisim caught on and older adults -- doctors and lawyers, businessmen to some extent, were swept up in it.  That's why we got as much done -- Nixon and Reagan both signed clean air and water bills, EPA, etc.

    The broad swath of social change scared the shit out of the 1% -- those who were incredibly rich with old money -- as the thought of the social activism resulting in possible re-distribution of wealth started hitting home.

    The 1971 Powell memo woke a lot of powerful people up.  Since then the right has been at war, first quite quietly but incredibly well organized and funded.  And now out in the open.

    For decades, those of us accustomed to slight Democratic majorities were asleep while the right re-wrote the public dialogue with lies and fear.

    When we finally woke up after Bush's re-election, it was too late.  Then Obama's election made many of us say "whew, we can still be effective."  But the right just became more energized; the actual election of an Afro-American president was a slug in the stomach of many otherwise reasonable Americans.  Political correctness did a lot to silence racism, but it never went very far away.  Now, the anonymity of the internet has let the racists become vocal without consequences, as the public dialogue becomes more and more vitriolic.  A shitty economy is the best silencer of dissent; survival can no longer be presumed.  Don't ever think the 1% are disturbed by high unemployment.  So millions of those who would be speaking up at the bullshit going on watch quietly, hoping somehow things will get better rather than worse.

    I'm sure many of the 1% secretly applaud the Syrian government's carnage; Egypt's reform has stalled, and governments of all kinds and sizes are passing legislation outlawing public protests.

    I don't believe anything will turn this around until Americans massively take to the streets.  I don't believe that will happen until there is a mass belief that they have nothing to lose, as happened in Arab Spring.  That and OWS has unfortunately given the status quo enough warning that THEY are mobilizing against furture mass protests.  

    I believe Syria will be the first of many bloody civil wars, without winning by the masses assured... until the police and military figure out they need to switch sides.  But I don't believe the masses will give up, nor will they go back to being satisfied by the powerful's old tactic of tossing down a few crumbs from time to time.

    Oh, one more thing:  Democrats, except Bernie Sanders and precious few others, are just as guilty as Republicans, as they too suck at the corporate teat.

    Kick apart the structures - Seth

    by ceebee7 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 at 11:17:36 PM PDT

  •  my theory in a nutshell. (1+ / 0-)
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    The passage of the Civil Rights Act was a major catalyst that brought on the New Right/Republican Party.

    Many of those 'otherwise reasonable' white folks left the Democratic Party, taking their union support with them to embrace the variants of Randian libertarianism surfacing at the time.

    Unions declined.

    As for the 'New Left', many if not most of those so called 'hippies' at the time were idealistic college aged students who were more likely from a 'well off' &  Right Wing upbringing, as they could afford to go to school and opt out of the draft . The poor got shipped off to  the battle fields of Nam.

    Once the novelty of rebelling against their parents way of life wore off, many of those 'leftist hippies' returned to their right wing roots as they aged.

    One major way this happened was with the rise of the modern Evangelical movement that in the 70's, where many denominations sold 'Hippie Jesus' to woo burned out leftists/hippies into joining their faith and become Born Again, forming a good bulk of today's right wing Evangelical base.

    The GOP and christian leaders like Billy Graham started mixing Racism with  Christian Beliefs with Goldwater/Buckley New Right conservative & libertarian economics ideals to draw the Born Again even crowd farther away from the New Deal/Great Society way of life

     It all came to a head with the election of Ronald Reagan.

    •  notice how so many of those 'radical leftist' (1+ / 0-)
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      leaders in the 60's were college students and came from wealthy households

      and so many of those social protests were on college campuses. Hence why so many righties have great disdain for universities as 'bastions of liberalism'

      I believe the 'powers that be' realized this consequence of the draft in the 60's and how it seeds leftist radical movements fronted by spawns of the wealthy, and therefore this country will never see the draft again.

       They came up with private contractors as the solution to the draft problem.

  •  Born in 61, married to a sixties person born in 47 (1+ / 0-)
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    and definitely still here!  

    I do what I can in my little way.  Raising our son to think critically.  Forbidding texting, phones and electronics in my classes, and incorporating exercises into classes where the students actually have to talk with each other and question each other.

    I have a fantasy that a bunch of us will pool together some money and create a foundation that exists to make grants to support the teaching of civics in public school systems.  I think this is one crucial piece of the puzzle that is today's apathetic and ignorant electorate:  that there is little to no civics education in public school.  Having to memorize the presidents, the states, the capitals, and study our country's history?  Having to learn inside out how our government works, the purpose and conduct of elections, the articles of the Constitution?  Having to read, in high school, the Federalist Papers and think about the structures of our Democracy and its founding principles, etc.?

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 04:00:01 AM PDT

  •  You're looking to the wrong era for answers (2+ / 0-)
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    You shouldn't be looking to the 60s. You should be looking to the 30s.

  •  Still here. Conceived within 30 days... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...of Dad's return from WW II.
    A giver and not a taker and naturally a life-long Dem.
    Still doing the good works that need to be done...

  •  At least there is one more of me out there (1+ / 0-)
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    Thanks for letting me know that. I to have wonder what happen to the hope for real change that we embraced!

  •  You are writing to the wrong audience (2+ / 0-)
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    The people that read this blog understand all too well what you are saying.   The problem is how to reach those who truly are lost.  I wish I had answers for you. I am reasonably sure that as long as "the lost" get their information from the mass media they will stay lost.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:55:42 AM PDT

  •  What happened? The 1980s & Reagan (2+ / 0-)
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    People got caught up in the greed is good and financial services is the place to be.  People believed the crap Reagan said and now we are seeing the legacy of all that.

    Have faith, I truly believe we will prevail in the end.

    Bad politicians are sent to Washington by good people who don't vote.

    by Renie57 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 06:40:07 AM PDT

    •  many who bought that crap are paying (0+ / 0-)

      a big price now.  I see it myself with friends who can't find jobs.  Sadly, they are buying into more crap such as unions & regulation are the cause of outsourcing, immigrants take jobs away from them.  They still haven't figured out that what's killing them is the 1% and that sure as heck isn't unions and immigrants.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 09:10:30 AM PDT

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  •  We are at war, again (0+ / 0-)

    This time, we are at war for the survival of Americans.  What can we do when the country is rotting from the inside out.  There are a lot of 60's children still around and they are angry, confused and complaining.  At the same time, they are wondering who is going to step-up and fight the battle.  This time, not them.  It takes courage to go out and protest and many older Americans hope others will do it so they won't have to.

    Until the majority in this country wakes up and realizes that our core freedoms are at stake and decide they will do what is necessary to bring back government by, for and of the people, this will continue and get worse and worse as the majority sits around and waits for others to become the warriors.  

  •  I love the smell of Boomer narcissism. (0+ / 0-)

    Smells like self-righteousness.

    The "childeren of the Sixties" became Reagan Democrats, cheered 'the end of the ere of Big Government,' birthed the DLC, and support blowing up innocent civlians and American civil rights in the insane War on a Tactic.

    The real enemy of the good is not the perfect, but the mediocre.

    by Orange County Liberal on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 09:17:59 AM PDT

    •  Better than cheap GenX self-righteousness. (0+ / 0-)

      You're so blinded you can't even read what's really being written, can you?

      The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

      by Panurge on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 06:45:52 PM PDT

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      •  Boomers fucked the Democratic Party. (0+ / 0-)

        Under their watch the party's rightward drift turned into full steam ahead. It was Boomer Democrats who enabled George Bush's worst excesses.

        So go ahead and pat yourselves on the back. Your record speaks for itself.

        The real enemy of the good is not the perfect, but the mediocre.

        by Orange County Liberal on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:33:55 PM PDT

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        •  What, were they all Boomers? (0+ / 0-)

          You're full of it.  Stop it, already.

          The '60s were simply an attempt to get the 21st Century started early....Well, what are we waiting for? There's no deadline on a dream!

          by Panurge on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:58:56 PM PDT

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