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Adopt-A-Highway sign crediting 'Knights of the Ku Klux Klan'
Courts have previously ruled in favor of the Klan and other hate groups

This isn't the first time a local KKK chapter has wanted access to the Adopt a Highway program, getting their name on a spiffy little sign on the side of the road acknowledging their civic-mindedness, but the smarmy rhetoric is a bit nauseating:

“All we wanna do is adopt a highway,” said April Chambers, secretary of the North Georgia chapter of the Ku Klux Klan. “We're not doing it for publicity. We're doing it to keep the mountains beautiful. People throwing trash out on the side of the road ... that ain't right." [...]

"We do not hate anyone,” said Frank Ancona, the imperial wizard of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. “The true Ku Klux Klan is an organization that is looking out for the interests of the white race. It is a fraternal organization, and we do good works.”

Sure, just a good ol' collection of people getting together to pick up litter and talk about how happy they are to be white. All that nasty stuff, the entire history of the name, the patently terrorist acts, that's all in the past. Stop judging us! That's so bigoted!

The Georgia Department of Transportation has rejected the group's application, citing public safety and other concerns, but past court decisions have tended to lean in the other direction (see pic, above). As always, the larger free speech argument is whether government nondiscrimination requires government to be nondiscriminatory towards discriminatory groups, which is very zen, but as sympathetic as I usually am to free speech arguments I'm not sure I see a large, existential problem in government rejecting government-backed promotion of obviously incendiary speech. And the name, Ku Klux Klan, is itself incendiary. It will be incendiary for the next 200 years, and there's not much Frank Ancona is going to be able to do about that.

Could a group called, say, Georgia Men for Pedophilia get access to a sign? A group called Atlanta Loves Hitler? What about a group whose official name was merely a series of blistering, top-notch swears? There would obviously seem to be a point where a name that was incendiary, intimidating, vulgar or exploitative on its face would be denied access to public programs simply because the negative public consequences of promoting it would outweigh the positive benefits of enrollment. The only question is where to draw the line, but the Klan, due to that whole history of race-based murders, intimidation and domestic terrorism, would seem to reasonably fit the category. Sorry, fellas, but that whole "having a long history of race-based terrorism" thing doesn't just go away because you say it should. Much like Nazi, I would argue that the name itself has been elevated to a status akin to vulgarity.

The same group of people can, if they were truly dedicated towards cleaning up litter, call themselves literally almost anything but the Ku Klux Klan and skirt the controversy. They're not, of course, because the advertisement value of that one little sign is more important to them.

Ah, you might say, but what one person may think of as controversial might not be controversial to anyone else! Should the word "Mormon" be prohibited from government signage, because some subset of people think of the group as nasty cultists? Heaven help us all if a Muslim group wants to clean up litter, incurring the wrath of terrified bigots everywhere!

I think the distinction, however, must be made between denying access to a controversial phrase or name (that is, the pure text), and denying access to a controversial group (that is, the people). The government interest in this case would seemingly apply almost entirely to the literal text involved. A group of virulent racists who called themselves Americans for Happy Puppies would be able to get approval for their road sign far more easily than the same group calling themselves the Ku Klux Klan, because the Ku Klux Klan as a name has been engraved in history as incendiary. The same would apply to a group called "Let's all Shit on Hitler"—regardless of the actual intention of the group, the vulgarity of the name would supersede any supposed free speech requirements for government to promote it via roadside sign.

Now, if Americans for Happy Puppies then went out and made a name for themselves as notorious domestic terrorists, thus strongly tainting that string of words in the public mind as well, the situation changes again, and you soon won't be able to put that on a government sign either. As more concrete example, you might have been able to name your little litter-control group al Qaeda 40 years ago without difficulty, but there's considerably less chance you would be able to do the same today.

This is a point people love to argue on, citing slippery slope arguments, gray areas and the like. All true enough. There are many, many aspects of law and policy that come down to individual judgments about individual circumstances. My own argument is that the very name Klan has commonplace public implications above and beyond the persons and groups currently seeking to use that name, and that those implications legitimately override any requirement that the government sponsor or promote that speech. Your mileage may vary.

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  •  The Jokes write themselves. (20+ / 0-)

    But given their history one wonders what embellishments might result on that stretch of Road.

    Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

    by JML9999 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:03:46 PM PDT

    •  more saws will get sold in any such locale (2+ / 0-)
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      by annieli on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:40:46 PM PDT

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      •  Sales at Home Depot and Lowes (1+ / 0-)
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        and the local Hardware stores. Hey this is a real job creator.

        Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

        by JML9999 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:51:00 PM PDT

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        •  this is not a joke, they are evil (14+ / 0-)

          words matter...

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          by ca democrat on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:00:27 PM PDT

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          •  Peace and love and all that stuff (1+ / 0-)
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            The Klan and its ilk offend the hell out of me, so consider that when you read the remainder of my post, please.  

            Yes, it's fun to toss names back and forth when playing politics, but be honest about it.  First of all, the KKK was not born amongst Republicans (so easy to forget its roots, isn't it?).  Second, as a practicing Conservative Jew in the lower Midwest, or upper South, depending on your perspective, I'm more of a minority than, say, a black or a Muslim.  As a matter of fact, to my knowledge, I'm the only Jew in this county.  I don't hide it, and not once have I heard or seen any sign of prejudice against myself or against the handful of Muslims in this Bible thumping part of Missouri, and this is probably about as Tea-Partyish an area as one could find anywhere.

            The Tea Party types I know personally -- the nice older couple who own a small print shop in town, the fellow who sells me tires, the dairy farmer neighbors who sent their kids over to salt my porch and steps during a couple of ice storms (I'm disabled from a spinal injury), my neurosurgeon (also happens to be a dairy farmer on the side), and I could keep on listing them -- are simply middle class, or lower middle class folks (maybe the doc is upper middle class, but he works like a 14th century serf) who love their country as much as you do, and who are just as frustrated as you are.  I don't see any reason to compare them to the KKK, which is an utterly hateful organization.

    •  the jokes do write, or is it right, themselves (0+ / 0-)

      Rmoney, the mayonnaise of modern politics; rich white pasty goo in a transparent container.

      by Sam Sara on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:22:57 PM PDT

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  •  punk rock groups should start applying. (17+ / 0-)

    I wonder how food would react to a Butthole Surfers highway sign.

    "Okay, until next time. Keep sending me your questions, and I will make fun of you... I mean, answer them." - Strong Bad

    by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:04:42 PM PDT

  •  They want legitimacy... (14+ / 0-)

    ...for what is a notorious terror group. GDOT was right to turn them down, as this is not a free-speech issue.

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:05:32 PM PDT

  •  Sort of like the couple (4+ / 0-)

    who named their kids Adolf Hitler and Aryan Nation.

    The way to combat noxious ideas is with other ideas. The way to combat falsehoods is with truth. - William O. Douglas

    by PSzymeczek on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:07:03 PM PDT

  •  Are there any roads under 50' of water (12+ / 0-)

    that KKK could adopt?

  •  I swear this has happened before (25+ / 0-)

    they let them adopt the road then the state changed the name of the road to the Malcolm X Highway or something just to f*ck with them.

  •  Occasionally (9+ / 0-)

    something that is right thing to do happens in Georgia.
    I cherish those moments.

    Here is the truth: The Earth is round; Saddam Hussein did not attack us on 9/11; Elvis is dead; Obama was born in the United States; and the climate crisis is real. It is time to act. - Al Gore

    by Burned on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:18:34 PM PDT

    •  Censorship is a rightist reaction, after all. (2+ / 0-)
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      As a progressive, I want to progress towards morel liberal policies, not all the way left to authoritarianism.

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      by JPax on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:34:26 PM PDT

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    •  I live here. (7+ / 0-)

      It's rare but occasionally it does happen.

      They also told Laura Mallory to sit down and shut up when  the Gwinnett County Christian Mommy who wanted to protect children from Satanism by having Harry Potter banned from school libraries (I was shocked she wasn't whining to the public library system too).  My suspicion is that they did so because it made international news and made them look stupid--the county school board leader said it had made them a laughing stock--rather than a real concern for the first amendment. I kinda wonder if that's the same reason they looked and found a reason not to let the KKK pick up trash. The South really, really cares about how it looks.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:30:33 PM PDT

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      •  Coming up on my 30th year here (0+ / 0-)

        I pretty much stick to Atlanta.

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        by Burned on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:52:14 PM PDT

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  •  As a white man, I have no solidarity (6+ / 0-)

    with these cretins.

    Romney - 2012 - He's A Trooper!

    by kitebro on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:19:19 PM PDT

  •  They should be able to, but then they should not (9+ / 0-)

    complain when things start to happen.  And I'm not talking about stupid assholes doing something illegal and dangerous while they're cleaning.  I'm talking about the little things--like their stretch of highway being the most littered for some reason, heckling and other verbal insults while they're cleaning, defacement of their sign, and stuff like that.

    They have a right to free speech, but with that right comes the consequences of exercising that right.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:20:09 PM PDT

  •  Seems to me I remember reading about (20+ / 0-)

    them doing this about eight years ago.

    Found it. 12 years ago:

    The Adopt-A-Highway program allows any organization to participate, which became a point of controversy when the Ku Klux Klan adopted a portion of Interstate 55 just south of St. Louis, Missouri. While legally the program had to uphold the groups' rights to participate, the public outcry and repeated destruction of their sign was a cause of concern. In November 2000, the section of highway was designated as the Rosa Parks Freeway, named after the famed civil-rights heroine.[1]

    KKK sponsorship was later dropped from the program for its inability to fulfill its obligations, and the Missouri Department of Transportation adopted specific criteria to prohibit hate groups from future participation. However, the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that any attempt to bar the Klan from participation in the Adopt-a-Highway program on the basis of the group's purpose is a violation of the First Amendment. The Supreme Court declined to hear the case, so the ruling stood.

  •  Oh come on, they already have this (8+ / 0-)
    What about a group whose official name was merely a series of blistering, top-notch swears?
    They call themselves "Republicans". That's the longest 4-letter word I know.

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    by ontheleftcoast on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:21:10 PM PDT

  •  More than just positive publicity... (10+ / 0-)

    These signs would serve as warnings that the KKK was a powerful, supported force in this community, and certain folks better watch themselves.

  •  I couldn't care less whether or not they pick up (2+ / 0-)
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    trash along a Georgia highway.  Preferably in ankle chains, though.

    History merely repeats itself; it doesn't cure its own ills. That is the burden of the present.

    by ZedMont on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:23:55 PM PDT

  •  No down side if the KKK (2+ / 0-)
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    mdmslle, too many people

    actually gets their pasty asses out in heat and snow and clean the highway.  Also lets everyone know, who drives through Missouri, there's a safe haven for the Klan.  Makes decisions about vacation more simple for non-racists.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:25:45 PM PDT

    •  Actually, there is a downside. In order to let (2+ / 0-)
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      the KKK (or anyone else) adopt the highway they would have to lower the speed limit to at least 55 as that is maximum for safety reasons.  So I guess if they lose the case they should just lower the speed limit on that stretch of road to 45 or so (it is currently 65) and tell anyone who complains to blame it on the KKK.

      There is no saving throw against stupid.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:35:32 PM PDT

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  •  All cogent arguments, but... (15+ / 0-)

    it still comes down to the government making value judgements about who is allowed to participate in government programs. I think a more interesting approach than trying to shut them out is to test the process. Would Georgia let, say, the Communist Party USA adopt a road? Occupy? The Coalition to Destroy Chase Bank? The Society to Exalt Sherman's March to the Sea?

    So a test case, then decide what the real standard is.

    In America, a rising tide lifts all yachts and drowns the workers who built them.

    by DaveW on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:26:03 PM PDT

    •  Sherman's Marchers (3+ / 0-)
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      That one, I like. And they can clean up the trash dressed up in Union uniforms.

      The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

      by raboof on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:29:25 PM PDT

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    •  or how about (1+ / 0-)
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      "Arabic Road Lovers"

      Since to  them all arabs are muslims and terrorists, that might make it interesting.

      But hey, we're just a support group from the white race they say. WTF.

    •  Society to Exalt Sherman's March to the Sea (4+ / 0-)

      Where do I sign up?  ;-)

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:35:25 PM PDT

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    •  Socialist Fucksticks For a Better America! nt (7+ / 0-)

      "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

      by Bob Love on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:00:25 PM PDT

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    •  Not about who participates (1+ / 0-)
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      It's a decision regarding whether the government supports the symbol of evil that is the name KKK. The individuals can participate in the program all they want, just not under the symbol of utter evil which the KKK represents.

      The members would not have joined a highway support civil organization, nor would they be offering to keep that road cared for. They are racists and want to use force to enforce racism. That fact is proven when they joined to serve under that evil banner. They joined the KKK for a reason, and that reason all sensible people recognize is the characteristics of the symbol "KKK."

      No civilized American state can support that symbol under any circumstances. If Florida puts up signs for the KKK they are joining the evil themselves. There are no circumstances in which that is not the case.

      The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

      by Rick B on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:02:20 PM PDT

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    •  Where I'd draw the line (1+ / 0-)
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      is pretty close to where Hunter drew it, with a few more protections: does the name of the group in question have a very-well-known, very-long-standing association with activities (not just ideologies) that are truly inimical to what the Constitution stands for? If so, they can't use the name in sponsorship of an officially-supported activity.

      CPUSA might fall under this. Occupy or CDCB wouldn't (no long history of notoriety for violating others' civil rights). SESMS? Probably not. NAMBLA? Nope, never had any actual influence and wouldn't gain any through this. Anything with "Nazi" or "National Socialist" in its name? Yep.

      One could probably defensibly draw up a statute listing a very small number of prohibited names.

      If you integrate fantasy with reality, you do not instantiate reality. If you mix cow pie with apple pie, it does not make the cow pie taste better; it makes the apple pie worse. --Mark Crislip

      by ebohlman on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:10:51 PM PDT

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  •  I think activists ought to do just that: (4+ / 0-)
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    try to get a sign that is sponsored by:

    "the georgia people who live rape"
    or
    "the georgia child molesters"
    or
    "hookers for highways"

    And I do mean, make a serious effort to get a sign put up just so the dumbasses can see why they can't get a sign. Then offer to change the name from "hookers for highways" to "the highway care association" and when it goes through tell the KKK to change the name just "hookers" did and they'll be golden.

    But as you said they wont change the name.

  •  You mean Mormon's aren't Terrorists? (6+ / 0-)

    How far back in history do you want to go for the groups you want to ban from adopting Highways? The Mountain Meadow Massacre, inn 1857, happened when Mormons attacked a peaceful wagon train and treacherously killed a bunch of people after they had negotiated a cease fire.

    Unless it can be proven that they are currently committing acts of terrorism, I say let the KKK adopt a highway. Sure, they can point to themselves and say "hey, we're doing something useful for society." but we'll also be able to say "Hey, they're finally doing something useful for society." If you don't like it, use your free speech rights to erect a sign in protest or have a demonstration during their cleanups.

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    by JPax on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:28:59 PM PDT

  •  New sign: GAS FOOD LYNCHING (1+ / 0-)
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    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:31:24 PM PDT

  •  If the Klan isn't free, then neither your group. (7+ / 0-)

    If the government can discriminate against the Klan in this way, then they can do the same to any other group.

    Do you want the government to have that kind of power?

    •  I actually sort of agree with your comment except (3+ / 0-)
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      Egalitare, bsmechanic, JPax

      in my little head I AM the government. So the question I ask myself is "What criteria does it take to adopt a highway?"

      I have to base my decision on that and not which groups I am personally opposed to.

      I have been noticing lately how many on the left disparage the government just like those on the right. I take that whole "We the people" thing seriously.

      Not you necessarily, Bob B, just saying...

      Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

      by ZenTrainer on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:45:56 PM PDT

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      •  First they came for the KKK, and I said nothing, (2+ / 0-)
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        then they came for the Neo-Nazis, and I said nothing. Then they came for the Communist Party, and I said nothing. Tthen they came for the Kossacks...

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        by JPax on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:46:20 PM PDT

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      •  You also need to consider the criterion (1+ / 0-)
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        joe wobblie

        of what the symbolism of the state sign you install and maintain is. If you place a KKK sign up you are not insulated from the evil you are supporting. Nor is the government you might be deciding for. Instead you are encouraging that evil.

        Would a state reasonably place a sign stating that pedophilia is permitted on this stretch of the road? Celibate ancient Catholic Bishops might, of course, which certainly says a lot about the organization, doesn't it?

        That kind of moral blindness cannot be permitted or encouraged, and a sign set up by the state cannot be argued with. It can only be destroyed. Then the  state calls the police for the act of vandalism and suddenly the police are supporting the KKK.

        The decision by the state to permit the KKK to adopt a highway and put up signs that approve of that evil organization is a support of its evil. The KKK itself cannot wash itself clean of its evil.

        The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

        by Rick B on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:14:31 PM PDT

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        •  I think that's the tricky part. (2+ / 0-)
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          See, my little atheist self thinks the Catholic Church has done a lot of evil in it's time, more than a piddly little upstart like the KKK.

          But as a government who doesn't outlaw the Catholic Church or the KKK, how can we prohibit their joining a highway clean-up promotion?

          There has to be clear rules about what qualifies a group for a sign and to join in the litter program. If the rules include inflammatory names and clearly defines what that
          means it takes the possible discrimination out of it.

          It's not that I want to protect the KKK's rights. I want to protect everyone's rights.

          Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

          by ZenTrainer on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:30:54 PM PDT

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          •  The issue is state support of KKK evil (1+ / 0-)
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            If they want to go out and legally demonstrate, it's abhorrent but legal. Same for actual speech. But for the state to put up a sign for them is state support for the KKK. That's not speech by the members of the organization itself. It's state support of what they stand for.

            The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

            by Rick B on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 04:52:09 PM PDT

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        •  What you are talking about (0+ / 0-)

          isn't defending the klan it is obeying the law. If they actually had a billborad up and someone vandalized it that is breaking the law and the police have every obligation to find out who did it. The law is supposed to apply to everyone and protect everyone. Just because you oppose their beliefs (as do I) does not mean that you approve of them it means you are being fair. And honestly, I feel so long as they aren't actively killing or maiming anyone or encouraging other people to do so with the billboard I don't think they should be denied. I am sure you support many causes that many people in the country rightly or wrongly consider evil or obscene. As long as you aren't doing what I typed above I don't see why they shouldn't be able to sponsor a highway either.

    •  If my group (0+ / 0-)

      is a hate group, yes.

  •  The Klan is a terrorist group. (3+ / 0-)
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    Therefore, NO.

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    by varro on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:39:20 PM PDT

  •  Let's make this more difficult (5+ / 0-)

    What if a local Planned Parenthood wanted to do this.  While is support them with my money and my vote, many would find the name to be incendiary.  I don't, but there is no question many do.

    I think the question is gonna come down to whether the Georgia folks have ever allowed "political" speech.  So, if the Atlanta republican or democratic party has ever had a sign approved...the Klan gets their sign too.

    If, on the other hand, the Georgia folks have a blanket policy against all political groups sponsoring signs--which they enforce evenhandedly--then reject away.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:39:56 PM PDT

    •  If a local planned parenthood wanted to adopt (1+ / 0-)
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      that highway then they would also be rejected.  Of course, they would probably do their research and have selected a highway with an appropriate speed limit (no more than 55) in the first place.

      There is no saving throw against stupid.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:14:44 PM PDT

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  •  Hmmm, I've got trash, they want to pick up trash. (3+ / 0-)
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    I'll be glad to dump my trash along any highway they want to adopt.  Let's see if they keep up with the trash collecting as fast as we can dump trash, until the state takes down the sign because they're not doing the job.

  •  Let them, but do what was (5+ / 0-)

    done before and change the name of the stretch of highway to MLK memorial highway, Medgar Evers Memorial Highway, Malcolm X Memorial Highway...you get the drift.

    The thing about democracy, beloveds, is that it is not neat, orderly, or quiet. It requires a certain relish for confusion. Molly Ivins

    by MufsMom on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:42:18 PM PDT

  •  What's wrong with swearing? It's classism if you (1+ / 0-)
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    are against their use, it's not like they actually invoke a deity to action to cause people to have sex or bowel movements or whatever. It's just one way that the elites try to 1- have their way, 2- try to be different from the lower classes, 3- hide the lower classes from sight so they can ignore their existence, and 4- a way the lower classes try to emulate the upper classes (social camouflage) so that they will forget that they are lower class. On the other hand, perhaps we can say that it's an enforced democratization by a prudent use of authoritarianism.

    And since George Carlin is no longer with us, I'll say it for him: "shit, piss, fuck, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker and tits."

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    by JPax on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:43:10 PM PDT

  •  Of course they should!! (5+ / 0-)

    I need a place to dump my 2000 lb hide a bed couch anyway.

    "What we have is not a system. It's a health care catastrophe with an organization around it." -- Dr. Carl Olden

    by gtnoah on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:45:19 PM PDT

  •  Sure. Rename it the Bayard Rustin Highway. nt (1+ / 0-)
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    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:56:40 PM PDT

    •  Bingo (1+ / 0-)
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      Piss off the racists and the homophobes at the same time.

      If you integrate fantasy with reality, you do not instantiate reality. If you mix cow pie with apple pie, it does not make the cow pie taste better; it makes the apple pie worse. --Mark Crislip

      by ebohlman on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:14:32 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Could make littering fun. (0+ / 0-)

    They'd have to clean it up, right?

    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:56:55 PM PDT

  •  I live in N. GA (1+ / 0-)
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    And I consider their name beside a highway that I drive on litter in and of itself.

    Tradition says that God gave us choice. Some of His disciples act like it is up to them to remove it. ~ kjoftherock

    by catwho on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 01:58:31 PM PDT

  •  How about this.... (9+ / 0-)

    ....the government cleans up the damn highways, avoids picking and choosing which volunteers get to put their names on a sign (and maybe, just maybe clean up a stretch of highway), and puts a few people to work.

  •  I don't know (0+ / 0-)

    I am pretty far on the "free-speech" side, but is this a free-speech issue?

    The first amendment says

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    So, does this abridge the Klan's free speech? I don't think so. The Adopt-a-Highway program is run, I believe, by the government. If the Klan wanted to parade around with their signs, I would say "OK, that's protected"; just as I said that for the Nazis marching in Skokie. But is this highway sign protected? I'm not sure, but I don't think so
    •  It might be but the government is allowed to (1+ / 0-)
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      place content neutral restrictions as long as there is a compelling government interest.  In this case, there is a compelling government interest in preventing people from being run over and the restriction is content neutral as nobody is allowed to adopt a highway where the speed limit is more than 55.

      There is no saving throw against stupid.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:12:54 PM PDT

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    •  Of course this is a free-speech issue. (3+ / 0-)
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      The government is suppressing some speech (the Klan sign) and by extension promoting another type (the group that ultimately gets the sign). This is a government-led restraint on the ability of a group to say what they want to say.

      The fact that you would prefer they not get the highway sign is not a reason for them to not get it. Government should not be policing speech on this level by limiting the words of some.

      Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks. -Karl Marx

      by Jkreine on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:17:15 PM PDT

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      •  It's not a Klan sign though. (2+ / 0-)
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        If the Klan wants to put up a sign on their own property, that's one thing.

        If they want to walk around with signs, that's fine.

        If the government, using my tax dollars, is applauding the Klan for being such a great civic organization, that's not OK.

      •  There is no "of course" about it (0+ / 0-)

        and my opinion of their message has nothing to do with my thoughts on this matter.

        If the Klan wanted to march next to the highway, I would not have the government forbid it. But the 1st amendment says congress shall make no law infringing speech, it does not say it will help people broadcast their speech.

  •  Free speech is much more important than (4+ / 0-)
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    their ugly history and present. Shine a light on these bastards. Making them slink under the carpet just makes them feel righteous. Debating them in public makes them a center of attention for being disgusting ignorant ugly bigots.

    I value free speech.

    There is only one planet suitable for human habitation in our solar system.

    by too many people on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:01:57 PM PDT

  •  I think the name "Ku Klux Klan" implies (6+ / 0-)

    a thinly veiled threat. The group has been responsible not just for cross burnings, but for beatings and murders. It's like allowing the Mafia to "protect" the highway. When speech implies action which can intimidate targeted groups, it becomes more than speech.

    The Klan chose the mile right at the state border which implies that the KKK is casting its "protection" over the state. How is that not intimidating to visitors and residents alike?

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:03:07 PM PDT

    •  Yes, it would be creepy. Free speech is at stake. (1+ / 0-)
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      There is only one planet suitable for human habitation in our solar system.

      by too many people on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 04:08:29 PM PDT

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    •  I think you nailed it in your first paragraph (1+ / 0-)
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      As I alluded to in another comment, it would be one thing if the name "KKK" merely stood for an (especially repulsive) ideology. But it stands for more than that; it stands for a history of actions that seriously violated lots of people's civil rights (in some cases, as you pointed out, even getting them killed).

      If you integrate fantasy with reality, you do not instantiate reality. If you mix cow pie with apple pie, it does not make the cow pie taste better; it makes the apple pie worse. --Mark Crislip

      by ebohlman on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:19:23 PM PDT

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  •  Yes. I don't believe in discrimination. (0+ / 0-)

    Keep your mitts off our government!

    by Says Who on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:04:38 PM PDT

  •  The DOT's main argument is that the road (3+ / 0-)
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    the Klansmen wanted to adopt had a speed limit of 65 mph--10 miles over the limit for the program.

    As long as the DOT stresses this, it should be OK legally.

    •  DOT was stupid... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...to even mention the ideology issue in the letter.

      Yes, as long as the safety rules are applied uniformly (for example, are there any 65 MPH limit sections elsewhere that have been adopted?), no problem.

      WHY the DOT muddied the issue mystifies me.

  •  If I lived anywhere near there (4+ / 0-)
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    I would cancel the private trash pickup service my local txcutters saddled me with
    and shit in the bag before I dumped it.

    Don't let millionaires steal Social Security.
    I said, "Don't let millionaires steal Social Security!"

    by Leo in NJ on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:07:12 PM PDT

  •  A gross of confederate flags.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ....bespoiled by bodily fluids.

    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:10:40 PM PDT

  •  IF OK for Klan then OK for NAMBLA n/t (5+ / 0-)

    "In Japan, American occupation forces quickly became 50,000 friends. In Iraq, they would quickly become 50,000 terrorist targets. " James Webb, Sep 02

    by ParaHammer on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:11:12 PM PDT

  •  I think they should get a sign (0+ / 0-)

    Let's see if the people of Missouri will rise up in protest.

    Let's see what they're made of.

    And then people can decide if they want to boycott the state.

  •  Give them the sign (3+ / 0-)
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    The government should not be involved in restricting speech. The sign, while derogative and detestable, constitutes a form of valid political speech. We all disagree with the speech, but that is not a relevant question.
    More fundamentally, this case poses a larger question. Are all groups to be treated equally under the Constitution, regardless of their popularity? I think so.

    Capital is dead labor, which, vampire-like, lives only by sucking living labor, and lives the more, the more labor it sucks. -Karl Marx

    by Jkreine on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:21:41 PM PDT

  •  There's always Colorado... (1+ / 0-)
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    I quit school very young, and never learned how to believe things just because I was told to.

    by socalmonk on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:23:50 PM PDT

  •  We already have (0+ / 0-)

    a stretch of highway in NY that has signs crediting its upkeep to Bette Midler. How do we stand on the question of Charlie Sheen adopting a highway? Michael Ritchie? Mike Tyson?

    •  I'm OK with any of that. I can't stand (1+ / 0-)
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      Charlie Sheen, but he's mostly harmless. The KKK? Not so much.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:36:19 PM PDT

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  •  I'd like to adopt a highway (6+ / 0-)

    on behalf of my club "Vaginas against Bolger."

  •  Should a Catholic church (0+ / 0-)

    be allowed to adopt?

    Obviously we're talking a major difference, but that organization this day is having a much bigger active role in bigotry against women and gays than anything the KKK is doing currently (obviously the KKK is a worse organization historically, although the RC church has been pure evil at times as well).

    My instinct is that they should have the right to adopt a highway, as offensive as it is.

    •  It's not the offensiveness that bothers me. (1+ / 0-)
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      It's the implied threat of violence.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:37:23 PM PDT

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      •  There was a threat of violence (1+ / 0-)
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        actually more than one when the Nazis wanted to march in Skokie (near where I lived at the time).

        The right decision was to let them march.

        The "threat" of violence - no matter how more valid in connection with the KKK - could be used as a reason to restrict groups with which we find favor.

        •  I'm not sure the American Nazis had the (0+ / 0-)

          same reputation for violence that the KKK has. To me they were hearkening back to the violence of the Nazi Party in Germany, while what went on in the US was mainly dressing up in costumes and posturing. Certainly it evoked memories of past violence, but I'm not sure it carried the same threat of future violence that the KKK does.

          "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

          by Lily O Lady on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:21:51 PM PDT

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          •  Asking without knowing (0+ / 0-)

            has the has-been KKK been associated with any known violent actions in recent years?

            To me they seem now like a bunch of losers parading around in white sheets out of cowardice, not a bunch that I know has been advocating and committing violence recently.

            Happy to be brought up to date, and yes, we need to be vigilant about them, but not sure that the present KKK is a threat.

            •  They've always been cowards. n/t (0+ / 0-)

              Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

              by Meteor Blades on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 04:39:56 PM PDT

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            •  Depends on which Klan you mean (0+ / 0-)

              There are many different ones. Some are the descendents of the notorious Klans from the 50s, 60s and 70s. The Southern Poverty Law Center won a record judgment against one such group in the late 90s for a congregation whose church  building was burned down.

              In the old days ... it was only rumored or tacitly understood who belonged. Their meetings were held in secret under cover of darkness. They didn't wear sheets and hoods or other identifying symbols in public.

              If you stumbled into any knowledge of definite identities, activities or even the meeting place, you were in danger of your life. Even white people with good sense didn't get crossways with the Klan. They were terrorists, pure and simple.

              But a lot of Klan groups today are indeed  "parading around in white sheets out of cowardice." They are lame-ass buffoons with nothing better to do. Uneducated, ignorant and proud of it.

              I refer to these nouveau Klans as Kluckers. They think they are bigshots because they get on tee-vee by spewing filth. They stage controlled cross burnings on their own property for publicity. Reality: If they tried to put together a night riding expedition, it would end up a keystone kops kaper.

              The scariest groups out there, IMHO, do not use the Klan name but employ the old-school tactics. And they are frighteningly well armed.

              These are the groups you never heard of until the SPLC posted them on the hate groups map. Or they got busted in the illegal weapons trade, and damn, these people were doing this right here in River City!

              Just because you're not a drummer doesn't mean that you don't have to keep time. -- T. Monk

              by susanala on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:20:46 PM PDT

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        •  Completely different circumstances (0+ / 0-)

          since letting them march implied no sort of official recognition whatsoever; it was a (IMHO correct) refusal to use legal force against them. Refusing to create official highway signs with the KKK's name on them, however, is not using legal force against them; it's refusing to use legal force (however slight) to assist their promotional efforts.

          If you integrate fantasy with reality, you do not instantiate reality. If you mix cow pie with apple pie, it does not make the cow pie taste better; it makes the apple pie worse. --Mark Crislip

          by ebohlman on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 05:27:40 PM PDT

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  •  Unless I missed it.. (0+ / 0-)

    ...you didn't even address why the Ku Klux Klan feels embolden enough to apply for access to the Adopt a Highway program, & feel confident enough they will be accepted.

    It's because the KKK is now a core constituency of the Republican party.

    As far as the modern Republican party is concerned, the KKK no longer consists of fringe nutbags & unhinged hatemongers.  The KKK is now the Tea Party, & visa versa.  Which is now the Republican party.

    So we might find this freaky, & of poor taste,  or way the hell over the top, but Republicans see it as patriotic mainstream folks wanting to adopt a highway.

    When Fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in excess body fat and carrying a misspelled sign.

    by wyvern on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:29:48 PM PDT

    •  And they see it as patriotic and mainstream to (1+ / 0-)
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      be fully armed with the President of the United States nearby. They just keep pushing the envelope. I worry that it could envelope actual human beings, endangering their lives.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:40:18 PM PDT

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  •  Missouri? (1+ / 0-)
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    The Conster bastion that not only honors dumb and dangerous Goopers, but has security cameras monitoring the moral atrocity so no evil libruls will deface or smear it with something nasty.

    The Highway department will be purdy busy protecting their glorification of America f*cking.

    Perhaps Klan, Inc., will front the state a guard and a torch?

  •  The name of the organization (0+ / 0-)

    is not a vulgarity.

    It is not a swear word, it is not an offensive term per se and quite frankly, there was a period in history when it was an institution that garnered respect in many official quarters.

    Let them adopt.

    Pick the worst most littered stretch of road.  One where government access is not easily organized or implemented and tell them have at it

    Make them where silly safety vests with a logo that says "Cleaning up Georgia for Black Red Yellow Brown and White Georgians."

  •  Simply put (4+ / 0-)
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    NO, NO, NO, NO, NO.  The Klan is rebuilding and they are nothing more than terrorists, intimidators, and murderers.  Try being intimidated by someone of this mindset, because I'm going through this right now where I live and all I can say is that being intimidated, spit on, and fearful in your own home is a very frightening experience.  

    I remember all too well my experiences as a child of the 1950s and 1960s with the Klan being able to put fear into whole neighborhoods and schools.  The ADL broke up some groups.  But, honestly, the greater question is how free is freedom of speech when it intimidates and/or make certain groups of people fearful and their lives threaten?  To me, hate speech, takes away another's freedom to live freely in their country and that is not democracy.

    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

    by zaka1 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:38:25 PM PDT

    •  They're trying to cleanse their fetid reputation. (1+ / 0-)
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      I'm more than a bit surprised --and delighted -- that the KKK sponsorship wasn't approved in Georgia.

      Missouri should have known better. That sign is a fucking blight on all who live there (and haven't fought to have it removed).

      GOP = Greedy One Percent

      by Palafox on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:45:23 PM PDT

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      •  Missouri had no choice. The ACLU took them (1+ / 0-)
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        to court on behalf of the KKK.

        "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

        by Lily O Lady on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:48:47 PM PDT

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      •  IMHO (0+ / 0-)

        you can't cleanse a reputation nor the ideaology the KKK stand for, they still stand for murder, intimidation, hatred, and a superior race.  They do not stand for a democracy or freedom of religion or freedom for others.  

        I'm glad to hear that Georgia didn't approve sponsorship.  My question is would all people be free to drive on their highway?  I wouldn't want to take that chance.  And I would definitely keep track of disappearances on that stretch of road.  

        One thing many people learned during civil rights is you never ever get yourself out on a road alone or even late at night.  Even during the day time the local officals that belonged to the Klan would pull you over.  I'm always reminded of what happened to the three civil rights workers that were murdered and their bodies found in a landfill.  One of the three was Jewish and the others African American.  The Klan will never clean up their reputation, never.  Some of us still have the fear from childhood instill in us of white hoods, lynchings, and cross burnings.

        "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

        by zaka1 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 04:20:31 PM PDT

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    •  I agree completely. This has been my (1+ / 0-)
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      argument as well, although I don't have your personal experience. It makes me feel a bit better about my reasoning.

      "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

      by Lily O Lady on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:49:56 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

        Lily O Lady, too many genocides have started with hate speech.  I can't stand to heard the hate that comes from some people, it can be soul crushing.

        "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

        by zaka1 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 04:23:11 PM PDT

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  •  I hate to imagine that ANYONE would (1+ / 0-)
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    dump big bags of trash on that nice, clean stretch of highway for the Klan to have to clean up.

    •  why didn't I think of that!!?? what a great idea! (0+ / 0-)

      German Constitution, Article 1 (1) The dignity of man is inviolable. To respect and protect it is the duty of all state authority.

      by Mark B on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:46:31 PM PDT

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    •  It would have to be white trash (0+ / 0-)

      which would only be fitting, right?

      Mitt Romney is a T-1000 sent back from the Future as a harbinger of the upcoming Robot Apocolypse.

      by mbayrob on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:33:17 PM PDT

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    •  The fine for dumping trash along a road (1+ / 0-)
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      can be astronomical. Was trying to find the story from last year that someone was constantly dumping trash along a road here in New York at the on ramp to a expressway at almost the same spot on the same day a couple times a week. The idiot had junk mail with his address inside the bags. His fine was something like $5000 and 500 hours of community service.

  •  saying "klan" is incendiary, like saying the N wor (1+ / 0-)
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    d.

    But I hate to say it, they ought to be allowed to adopt a highway, as long as they don't say anything nasty on the sign

    German Constitution, Article 1 (1) The dignity of man is inviolable. To respect and protect it is the duty of all state authority.

    by Mark B on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:45:33 PM PDT

  •  Of course they can (0+ / 0-)

    and they can give the section next to them to the Black Panthers...

  •  North Carolina Had Famous Klan Billboards (0+ / 0-)

    They were common if the 60s and there was one until around 1980 in Smithfield.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/...

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:51:17 PM PDT

  •  Shorter: Should we have a first amendment? (3+ / 0-)
  •  The day NAMBLA can adopt a highway... (1+ / 0-)
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    maybe the KKK has a case.

    •  If they wish to clean a highway (0+ / 0-)

      then they should have that right.    

      Instead of buying off our politicians, the well heeled lobbies like AIPAC and US Chamber of Commerce and Petroleum Association should have their membership picking litter.

      Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

      by dailykozzer on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:21:48 PM PDT

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      •  Or the Bilderbergs? (1+ / 0-)
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        Not sure why the slap at AIPAC is apropos, but forgive me if I wonder about your priorities.

        Mitt Romney is a T-1000 sent back from the Future as a harbinger of the upcoming Robot Apocolypse.

        by mbayrob on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:39:16 PM PDT

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        •  I'd prefer to see well heeled lobbies (0+ / 0-)

          cleaning litter from highways instead of having them threatening or buying off our politicians.   AIPAC fits the description as do many others.    

          Well heeled individuals looking to fxxk the country while taking care of their pet causes is what is wrong with the USA.   Some like to pretend it is about politics , when it is about making the rich richer and sapping and requiring average Americans to be put on the hook.

          Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

          by dailykozzer on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 04:35:49 PM PDT

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  •  Sure they should. (3+ / 0-)

    Why shouldn't the Klan have the ability to adopt a highway? Would you want the government deciding whether or not you (in the general sense, not the hunter sense) should be heard?

    Hyperbole will be the death of us all!

    by MrHinkyDink on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 02:59:22 PM PDT

  •  If they are telling the truth (0+ / 0-)

    and don't want publicity, they can just go pick up trash.

  •  FUCK YOU FUCKHEADS BELIEVING THIS SHIT. (0+ / 0-)

    THE TRUE GOD AND LORD WILL REIGN DOWN SHIT UPON YOUR FUCKING HEADS, SO THAT IS THE LAST THING YOU SMELL BEFORE YOU DIE.

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    'WE DO NOT HATE ANYONE. THE TRUE KU KLUX KLAN IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS LOOKING OUT FOR THE INTERESTS OF THE WHITE RACE."

    YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE RICH TO WANT SOMETHING BACK FOR YOUR TAX MONEY OTHER THAN WARS. OUR ECONOMY IS BASED ON WEAPONS MANUFACTURING AND KILLING PEOPLE. ...SOMEDAY WE SHALL ALL BE ONE... WHY FIGHT YOURSELF???

    by theChild on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:04:19 PM PDT

    •  to quote the skatenigs from way back upon a time, (0+ / 0-)

      "I BELIEVE IN FREE SPEECH AND THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND ALL THAT SHIT BUT I WANT THESE SIEG-HEILING MOTHERFUCKERS OUT OF HERE -NOW!!!!!!-"

      YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE RICH TO WANT SOMETHING BACK FOR YOUR TAX MONEY OTHER THAN WARS. OUR ECONOMY IS BASED ON WEAPONS MANUFACTURING AND KILLING PEOPLE. ...SOMEDAY WE SHALL ALL BE ONE... WHY FIGHT YOURSELF???

      by theChild on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:06:49 PM PDT

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  •  Let them have it (0+ / 0-)

    After all. . .what could possibly go wrong?

    •  I think that they should be careful..... (0+ / 0-)

      Of what they wish for.I mean, there may be a sudden increase in the amount of litter on their stretch of road. Maybe so much litter that they can't keep up with it. Who knows?One thing I do know is that here in Montgomery County Maryland, which happens to be quite blue on the political pallet, I passed by a local adopt a road sign that had"Right to Life Incorporated" as the group in charge of litter pick-up.Can't speak about this group in  particular but their are many vigilante right to lifers out there now and who's to say if they should be allowed the free advertising?

      •  That's part of what I was referring to (0+ / 0-)

        That, and the sight of those ignorant hillbillies on the side of the road, picking up litter might be too damned much for some people, remembering the lynching of a loved one, to take.

        I, for one, might be tempted to take my entire trash collection for the week, long distance, to aid those inbreds with their exercise.

  •  Freedom of speech means listening and reading (2+ / 0-)

    what you don't like and not having it determined by the whims or politics of certain groups.

    I have much more of a problem with censorship than ever having a highway cleaned by an organization regardless of its name.    Self serving and very profitable outfits aka the PC police should not ever have influence over what we read or say.

    Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

    by dailykozzer on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:13:15 PM PDT

  •  KKK hiway in Missouri (0+ / 0-)

    That sign at the top of this diary was posted on a stretch of Interstate 55, south of the city of St. Louis. Anyone driving to or from Memphis could see it for several months.


     At about the same time, that stretch of road was posted with signs declaring it the "Rosa Parks Highway".  


    A cruel joke on the illiterate klansmen of Missouri?

  •  However you feel on this issue... (0+ / 0-)

    ...I doubt any government would want to be seen doing this willingly, especially with a history like Georgia's.

  •  They just want (0+ / 0-)

    attention, I say HELL NAW! And the comment just above mine a bit by the Child should be removed.

  •  The very name KKK is evil and abhorrent. (2+ / 0-)
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    Damnit Janet, joe wobblie

    The name of the KKK is not a neutral name. It is an evil organization, as were its descendants the fascists and the Nazis. For the government to ever appear to approve of an organization by that name in any positive manner is an endorsement of all the KKK stands for.

    The KKK was and remains the symbol of terrorism and a terrorist organization. That will never change. No one who joins such an organization can possibly do so for any reason except for trying to associate with that terrorism. An individual who conducts terrorism or who supports it might possibly earn forgiveness. An organization which is the very symbol of such evil can never achieve forgiveness.

    There is a reason why the WW II war crimes trials declared the Nazis a criminal organization and membership in it was a crime. The KKK should similarly be declared an evil, criminal organization and any member shunned in America.

    There is no room for compromise on this. Any compromise is a compromise with utter evil.

    The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

    by Rick B on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:20:46 PM PDT

  •  Yes, the KKK should be allowed to adopt... (0+ / 0-)

    ...a highway. Then once they do, that stretch of road should be buried, neck deep, in the most vile, poisonous, disgusting garbage that can be found.  Force the Klan to pick up everything from used condoms, to medical waste, to baby diapers, to unexploded landmines, and even Republican campaign mailers.... you know...real nightmare trash.

    Don't they get a fine if they don't keep it clean?

  •  How dare you speak of AFHP (0+ / 0-)

    They are very bad dogs.

    Mitt Romney is a T-1000 sent back from the Future as a harbinger of the upcoming Robot Apocolypse.

    by mbayrob on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:30:20 PM PDT

  •  I don't understand the need to suppress... (0+ / 0-)

    nasty speech. Let the klan roam free. We in our 20s and younger can, in many cases, go much of our lives without running into overt acts of racism. It's necessary that we all be reminded that the KKK isn't simply history, overwhelmed by the uniform march of progress.

    You can't destroy racism without exposing it. And you can't expose racists by quietly shushing them. They, too, must be allowed a platform. If only because they fester when nobody is watching.

  •  Many organization have elected (2+ / 0-)
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    Americantrueandblue, Cream Puff

    to do good deeds to polish up their less than sterling image.  BP, tobacco companies, etc. sponsor community buildings, sports teams, and other projects hoping to ameliorate their bad reputation.

    This doesn't mean they will change anything about their organization that caused their poor reputation, it simply means they hope it will be somewhat less despised.

    If the Klan wants to seem more acceptable by, as Ms. Chambers says, cleaning up the moutains, that would be one way to do it.  Should their free speech be curtailed because not all they do is good for the community or because this might garner them more members?  Should the Westboro Baptist Church not be allowed to picket because they've made their name synonymous with malicious bigotry?  

    We've had the answer from the Supreme Court, and the Pariot Guard Riders have responded with their free speech to counter it.  Surely there are enough Georgians willing so do the same for the Klan.

  •  Um if they don't hate anyone, why the hate group? (0+ / 0-)
  •  So tee shirts with a protest message in (0+ / 0-)

    a Bush rally aren't protected. And protest signs outside of "free speech zones" aren't protected. But the KKK, which is known to commit violent acts can have all the speech it wants.

    Let's be clear. Speech is limited all the time.  Let's abolish "free speech zones." That's about as Orwellian as it gets! Then we'll talk about how fair we're being to the KKK and the Westboro Baptist people. And I'd like to see OWS be able to protest and reporters be able to cover those protests, but somehow there's always some rule that must be respected above speech and freedom of the press.

    This isn't nearly as clear-cut as those defending the Klan portray it.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:49:41 PM PDT

  •  Hello, Mr. Klansman, (0+ / 0-)

    I'm from Americans for Happy Puppies, will you hold on to this nice puppy shaped IED for me for a moment? Thanks.

    "'club America salutes you' says the girl on the door/we accept all major lies, we love any kind of fraud"--The Cure, "Club America"

    by Wheever on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 03:58:36 PM PDT

  •  Who determines (1+ / 0-)
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    Americantrueandblue

    What is controversial or not?  If the basis against allowing them to adopt a highway is that their name is controversial, I don't see how that justifies discriminating against their group. What is offensive changes over time. Why would we allow government to censor groups in this way? What if the next time, it's a group you support? The problem isn't in the ethical end of the argument, it's in the technical implications.

  •  Let them do it (0+ / 0-)

    Then make sure the day that is chosen for them to clean is well publicized and we get all the people of color, all the non protestants and all the lgbt folks to ride up and down that stretch of highway whooping, hollering and pointing out the pieces of trash that were missed.  They could holler stuff like - "Hey, you missed that trash, over there, boy".

  •  Of Course They Should (1+ / 0-)
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    Americantrueandblue

    Being a member of the Ku Klux Klan is not illegal (right to assemble). When the KKK or its members break the law and are convicted, jail them.

    However, as a clean up crew on a highway?

    Good. Fine. Or if they're paying for same, also good.

    Being a douchebag is not illegal in America or everyone with the surname "Kardashian" would be on Death Row>

  •  Arrow. Zing. Bullseye. Several actually. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    kuvasz

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Sun Jun 17, 2012 at 04:27:53 PM PDT

  •  Sure, Why Not Let Them Adopt It? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Buckeye Nut Schell

    And then the rest of the area citizens can dump all their household garbage on that two-mile stretch of road for the next few years.  Make the Klansmen sweat for their publicity.

  •  What about the Muslim Brotherhood? (0+ / 0-)

    If we begin saying that one group can and one group cannot because of some past evil, where does it stop?

    Larry Flint, when he won the legendary Supreme Court victory for free speech, said, "If the First Amendment will protect a scumbag like me, it will protect all of you."  We do not need the right to freedom of speech to protect the popular beliefs.  

    Freedom is supposed to be about the right to do things that the rest of the country (or the world) finds appalling.   Do we need a 1st amendment right to say what a wonderful government we have?  How great and admirable our politicians are?  Do we need a right to allow Puppy loving children to dedicate their lives to the cleaning up of our public roads?  

    We have less and less freedom here in the land of the free everyday.  Sometimes freedom tastes like sweet chocolate and other times it tastes like crap but if we want to keep what little we have left, we have to take all of it whether it meets out tastes or not.  If we allow them to say that one group is not allowed to put up a sign, do you think the Muslim Brotherhood should be able to put up a sign?  How about LGBT?  What about Al Qaeda?  What about The Catholic Bishops? Either we say that these groups do not have a right to exist (like we have with Al Qaeda) or we allow them to exist and that existence allows them to be free to do charitable deeds in their name.  If our laws protect some scum like the KKK then it should give you hope that they may still be there for people like you and me.

    "Perhaps the sentiments contained in the following pages, are not YET sufficiently fashionable to procure them general favour..."

    by Buckeye Nut Schell on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 06:08:33 AM PDT

  •  If you can't put it on a personalized... (0+ / 0-)

    license plate, you shouldn't be able to make it a road sign.  

    The Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) will not approve an application for a personalized license plate if the requested plate contains any combination of characters that in any way carries a connotation which may reasonably be seen by a person viewing the license plate as:

    Profane, obscene, or vulgar in nature;
    Sexually explicit or graphic;
    Excretory-related;
    Used to describe intimate body parts or genitals;
    Used to describe drugs, drug culture, or drug use;
    Used to condone or encourage violence;
    Used to describe illegal activities or illegal substances;
    Socially, racially, or ethnically offensive or disparaging.

    These are not the droids you're looking for. Move along.

    by darlalalala on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 12:51:47 PM PDT

  •  KKK was allowed to adopt a hwy in MO. However, (0+ / 0-)

    they never did the required work and the designation was taken away.  I guesss they had second thoughts about picking up trash on the roadside wearing yellow vests...  kinda made em nice targets.  Additionally, MO renamed that section of hwy the KKK was to take care of for Rosa Parks.

    I'll need some room for this...

    by duckhunter on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 12:52:01 PM PDT

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