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Why is horse ballet in the Summer Olympics? What part of "Swifter, Higher, Stronger" is horse ballet? Mitt "I'm in touch with the Middle Class" Romney's getting to milk the fact that one of his wife's tax write off horses is getting to fly first class to England and get put up with the Dream Team '12 to represent America. Just a shame this year's Olympics wasn't in Hanoi so a Romney can finally "represent America" in Vietnam. But as this story of Mitt, Ann and Dressage grows in the press, so does the question: Why is this an Olympic Sport - Aren't the Olympics about real people and not animals.

Or are horses considered people in Mitt's world since his horse was given a $77,000 tax write off like a corporation. And people are corporations....

Dressage is a sport where you lose points if you have the wrong color gloves. The horse is in complete control of whether the rider "wins" via the judging of how good his horse can do fancy horse ballet moves in a tight space.

Why don't we let dancing dogs in the Olympics? How about cute kitties playing with yarn getting to be a medal sport? You want to know why the Olympics have lost their importance in the view of the American public? Perhaps knowing that horses are up for medals like people who actually care about winning the Olympics. No human Olympians bio has ended with "after losing their ability to compete, they were turned into glue and dogfood." Why don't they allow bull riding in the Olympics? I've seen some PBR events and there's dozens of riders from around the globe holding on for 8 seconds. It's a lot more fun than watching horses that have been tortured into submission prance around a bunch of letters.

I like how the GOP claims they can't allow gays to marry cause then someone might demand to marry a horse. These people have no problem sending horses to the Olympics instead of real people. I prefer knowing that America sends Americans to the Olympics and not $77,000 tax write off pets.

Perhaps the good thing about Romney's little pony going to London is that it will make more real Americans look at this Olympic sport and ponder "Why is horse ballet in the Olympics while a real man sport like hotdog eating barred?"

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  •  The Olympics? (0+ / 0-)

    They're still doing that?

  •  There are plenty of poor people who do (25+ / 0-)

    dressage. They just don't go to the high dollar competitions.

    Dressage isn't just "horse ballet". It is a complete communication between the horse and rider through barely discernible cues and commands from the rider.

    The reason that is shows the tonedeafness of the Romney's is because most people can't afford $100,000 horses, nor can they afford the money it costs to compete at they Olympic level.

    I don't fault Ann Romney for doing dressage. I fault the Romney's for owning a horse and flaunting it as if it were nothing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars when the rest of the country is homeless, jobless, hungry.

    North Carolina: Where you can marry your cousin. Just not your gay cousin.

    by second gen on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 06:18:30 AM PDT

    •  By the way, the horses aren't tortured (15+ / 0-)

      into submission. Your diary is offensive.

      North Carolina: Where you can marry your cousin. Just not your gay cousin.

      by second gen on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 06:19:28 AM PDT

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    •  That's Great for the Man-Horse Olympics (1+ / 0-)
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      chimene

      But what's the point of an Olympic sport that isn't people based?

      •  I owe you an apology (0+ / 0-)

        Downthread I got angry at a fool who insulted me several times and cussed it out. I was wrong to do so in your diary, it won't happen again. Sorry I sunk to its level, I apologize.

        America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

        by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:50:07 PM PDT

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    •  ANN ROMNEY ISN'T DOING THE DRESSAGE (2+ / 0-)
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      annetteboardman, chimene

      Is HER entitled, privileged, spoiled ass in that saddle?!

      She and Willard are PART OWNERS of the dancing horse.

      They won't even deign to participate in horse dancing except as investors.

      They're fucking repulsive pseudo-aristocracy whose very existence makes me physically ill.

      Just sayin'.

      -8.75,-8.00. 1,138 rights and responsibilities of civil marriage are denied married same-sex couples, and I demand that we get them. RIGHT. NOW.

      by CajunBoyLgb on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 08:16:46 AM PDT

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      •  actually, she loves to ride (0+ / 0-)

        but knows she's not actually good enough to compete at that level.  You may not respect that, but I do as a rider.

        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

        by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 04:26:54 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, she has ridden at that level (0+ / 0-)

        which is pretty impressive for someone who started riding after age 50 and with MS.

        I know able-bodied and very wealthy women who have fallen far short of the goal to get qualifying scores at the Grand Prix level, the goal Ann achieved.

        But, she's not international caliber and knows it.

        Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

        by elfling on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 10:59:39 PM PDT

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    •  relic of aristocracy w/ no value in today's world (1+ / 0-)
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      chimene

      Cowboys didn't invent dressage.  The only people who have ever needed that kind of "communication" with their horses were aristocrats posing for statues and portraits and military officers.  

      To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

      by Visceral on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:46:21 AM PDT

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    •  plenty of poor peope "do dressage"? (1+ / 0-)
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      radical simplicity

      I doubt that very seriously. Poor people don't even own horses except for the occasional bankrupt rancher perhaps. I don't dispute that some middle class folks might "do dressage" but poor people? I guess it's all in your definition of "poor".

      To me it brings to mind some poor bag lady out there sitting on a skinny horse trying to get it to dance. :)

      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

      by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 10:11:26 AM PDT

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      •  I took care of other people's horses (7+ / 0-)

        ... in exchange for riding privileges.

        It's how I got to do dressage, which takes a ton of athletic skill (more than I had, which is why I never came close to Olympic status). But it was an amazing way to learn about both the horse you were riding and your own body and mind.

        •  I'm glad for you (2+ / 0-)
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          I doubt you're representative of the poor among us but it sounds like it was a very good experience for you. I've grown up both poor and around horses since I live on an Indian reservation so I'm aware of how wonderful riding is and how good it is for kids to have the responsibility of caring for horses. Around here on the Rosebud Sioux Rez we're poor in money but rich in horses... at least some of us. My kids and G'kids can ride about the time they could walk, we're horse people.

          I didn't really try to get into an argument about dressage, I like it on TV and I'm glad it's in the Olympics. I just tried to comment on the "plenty of poor people" part and got caught up in peoples emotions. Hell, I'd love it if every poor kid could have your experience, I wish they held dressage events in Harlem and south central L.A.

          Damn. I'm about to go outside and see if my son's horse will do some dancing for me! :)

          America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

          by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 03:27:03 PM PDT

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          •  and I'm sure you're dismissal (1+ / 0-)
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            chimene

            of other people's experiences not matching your own is perfectly valid in your mind.  

            Why not encourage children and adults from the reservation to ride competitively?  That would certainly change the dynamic of the sport you associate with the ridiculously wealthy - not to mention bring another source of accomplishment to your people?  

            Or invite kids from Harlem and South Central LA to the reservation for a couple weeks a summer as a cultural exchange program?  And if you were say - riding and teaching dressage - then they could get hooked too.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 03:45:00 PM PDT

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            •  Your. your. your. I really DO know this. (0+ / 0-)

              That's what I get for saying something snotty.

              And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

              by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 03:52:35 PM PDT

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            •  we ride competively all the time (1+ / 0-)
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              radical simplicity

              Meteor Blades and Navajo in their series did a story on the pony races that are an annual event here. Most of our communities have rodeos and other events. Indians are very much horse people competively and otherwise. My only point was that I didn't think many poor people participate in dressage. I didn't mean to set off your outrage meter. It was merely a small point in a much larger discussion, relax.

              As for bringing inner city kids out to Americas poorest places I think even you can figure out the obstacles, can't you?

              America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

              by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 05:51:19 PM PDT

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              •  obstacles are only there is you let them be there (0+ / 0-)

                But if you want to just kick back and say you do your part and be done with it - that's cool.

                And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 07:57:21 PM PDT

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                •  kiss my ass (1+ / 0-)
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                  radical simplicity

                  You have no fucking idea about what and how much I do for my people and yours for that matter. How many fucking innercity kids have you brought out to South Dakota? Or do you just kick back and say shitty things to people you don't even know? You've been stupid and disrespectful to me for long enough and I'm getting tired of your dumb fucking shit.

                  All the people at Native American Netroots including Meteor Blades and Navajo know me personally, ask them about my long years of service and activism. Until you do and begin to know something about me I'd advise you to just shut the fuck up and stop your ignorant and snide remarks. I have no fucking idea why you seem to have taken stupid offense at my initial question but I've answered you politely and with restraint. So now you can kiss my red ass and fuck off.

                  America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

                  by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:02:24 PM PDT

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                  •  right back at you (0+ / 0-)

                    have a nice day to you too.

                    And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                    by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:15:25 PM PDT

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                    •  fuck you, "right back at you" is as stupid as the (0+ / 0-)

                      rest of your dumbassed mewlings. You write like a child so I'm not surprised all you can think of is to stick out your fucking tongue. Why dumb people think they can say insulting things to people they don't know is not surprising though, we see it all the time from dumbfucks like you.

                      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

                      by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:32:13 PM PDT

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                    •  read this again (0+ / 0-)
                      You have no fucking idea about what and how much I do for my people and yours for that matter. How many fucking innercity kids have you brought out to South Dakota? Or do you just kick back and say shitty things to people you don't even know? You've been stupid and disrespectful to me for long enough and I'm getting tired of your dumb fucking shit.

                      All the people at Native American Netroots including Meteor Blades and Navajo know me personally, ask them about my long years of service and activism. Until you do and begin to know something about me I'd advise you to just shut the fuck up and stop your ignorant and snide remarks. I have no fucking idea why you seem to have taken stupid offense at my initial question but I've answered you politely and with restraint. So now you can kiss my red ass and fuck off.

                      America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

                      by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:34:06 PM PDT

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                      •  you should be an activist for your people (0+ / 0-)

                        You should do whatever you need to do.  That's your yak.  South Dakota isn't mine.  Your causes are not necessarily mine.   I am not sure what you mean by "helping my people"?  Were you hiding Jews in your basement from some pogrom I don't know about?

                        I don't care who can vouch for you.  I don't care who knows you and who you know. I do know that I give to First Nation causes when I can because they are getting shit on.  I know that I don't take First Nation cultural practices and beliefs and use them because they are not mine to take.  I know that supporting First Nation language and cultural events is the best thing I can do from my own pocket since it is not my people.

                        You said something I disagreed with and I gave examples why I disagreed with your statement.   You argued back, so did I - that's how discussion works.

                        That you don't like what i said or how I say it - ok so you don't like it.  But if you think your opinion is the be all end all of poverty, horses and access in America - you're full of shit and I will say that as many times as it takes for you to either leave me alone or comprehend there are other points of view.

                        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                        by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 10:08:23 PM PDT

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                        •  again... (0+ / 0-)
                          You have no fucking idea about what and how much I do for my people and yours for that matter. How many fucking innercity kids have you brought out to South Dakota? Or do you just kick back and say shitty things to people you don't even know? You've been stupid and disrespectful to me for long enough and I'm getting tired of your dumb fucking shit.
                           All the people at Native American Netroots including Meteor Blades and Navajo know me personally, ask them about my long years of service and activism. Until you do and begin to know something about me I'd advise you to just shut the fuck up and stop your ignorant and snide remarks. I have no fucking idea why you seem to have taken stupid offense at my initial question but I've answered you politely and with restraint. So now you can kiss my red ass and fuck off.

                          America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

                          by cacamp on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 07:40:28 AM PDT

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                          •  it's a new day (0+ / 0-)

                            get over it and move on.

                            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                            by Mortifyd on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 12:17:47 PM PDT

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                          •  try to wrap your small mind around this... (0+ / 0-)

                            You have no fucking idea about what and how much I do for my people and yours for that matter. How many fucking innercity kids have you brought out to South Dakota? Or do you just kick back and say shitty things to people you don't even know? You've been stupid and disrespectful to me for long enough and I'm getting tired of your dumb fucking shit.
                              All the people at Native American Netroots including Meteor Blades and Navajo know me personally, ask them about my long years of service and activism. Until you do and begin to know something about me I'd advise you to just shut the fuck up and stop your ignorant and snide remarks. I have no fucking idea why you seem to have taken stupid offense at my initial question but I've answered you politely and with restraint. So now you can kiss my red ass and fuck off.

                            America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

                            by cacamp on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 12:09:44 PM PDT

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                          •  wow. (0+ / 0-)

                            Here we go again.

                            I EXPECT you to do as much as you can for your people. They're YOUR people.  Duh.

                            How many inner city kids have you brought out to the coast and taught water safety and how to sail?  How much science are you sneaking in there when they aren't looking but are learning?  I bet about as many as I've taken to South Dakota.  We do different things.  Nothing wrong with that.

                            I don't care how many people you can name drop from NN.  It doesn't impress me, sorry.  You do your thing, and that's cool - but you don't trump other people's things because you know people I may not.  Different interests.

                            You are the one being disrepectful and batshit at this point frankly.  So get on with your day and your life and take your own advice.

                            Drop it.

                            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                            by Mortifyd on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 03:04:06 PM PDT

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                          •  try to understand this, read slow with your finger (0+ / 0-)

                            You have no fucking idea about what and how much I do for my people and yours for that matter. How many fucking innercity kids have you brought out to South Dakota? Or do you just kick back and say shitty things to people you don't even know? You've been stupid and disrespectful to me for long enough and I'm getting tired of your dumb fucking shit.
                               All the people at Native American Netroots including Meteor Blades and Navajo know me personally, ask them about my long years of service and activism. Until you do and begin to know something about me I'd advise you to just shut the fuck up and stop your ignorant and snide remarks. I have no fucking idea why you seem to have taken stupid offense at my initial question but I've answered you politely and with restraint. So now you can kiss my red ass and fuck off.

                            America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

                            by cacamp on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 10:08:24 PM PDT

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                          •  try reading this (0+ / 0-)

                            It's been days.  DROP IT.

                            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                            by Mortifyd on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 10:58:05 AM PDT

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                          •  still being stupid? keep it up, show your ass (0+ / 0-)

                            You have no fucking idea about what and how much I do for my people and yours for that matter. How many fucking innercity kids have you brought out to South Dakota? Or do you just kick back and say shitty things to people you don't even know? You've been stupid and disrespectful to me for long enough and I'm getting tired of your dumb fucking shit.
                                All the people at Native American Netroots including Meteor Blades and Navajo know me personally, ask them about my long years of service and activism. Until you do and begin to know something about me I'd advise you to just shut the fuck up and stop your ignorant and snide remarks. I have no fucking idea why you seem to have taken stupid offense at my initial question but I've answered you politely and with restraint. So now you can kiss my red ass and fuck off.

                            America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

                            by cacamp on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 07:25:51 PM PDT

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                          •  DROP IT (0+ / 0-)

                            Do we need to talk about harassment and stalking?

                            It's been several days.

                            DROP IT.

                            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                            by Mortifyd on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 10:39:46 PM PDT

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                          •  when you hit reply you'll get an answer, dummy (0+ / 0-)

                            If you want to stop this great conversation do so. Until then we'll keep going.

                            You have no fucking idea about what and how much I do for my people and yours for that matter. How many fucking innercity kids have you brought out to South Dakota? Or do you just kick back and say shitty things to people you don't even know? You've been stupid and disrespectful to me for long enough and I'm getting tired of your dumb fucking shit.
                                 All the people at Native American Netroots including Meteor Blades and Navajo know me personally, ask them about my long years of service and activism. Until you do and begin to know something about me I'd advise you to just shut the fuck up and stop your ignorant and snide remarks. I have no fucking idea why you seem to have taken stupid offense at my initial question but I've answered you politely and with restraint. So now you can kiss my red ass and fuck off.

                            America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

                            by cacamp on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 03:28:32 PM PDT

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                          •  so will you . (0+ / 0-)

                            DROP IT.

                            You keep posting about politely with restraint.  LOL

                            So go ahead.  We can play this game for days, months and years - I have time to hold a sharp stick so you can walk into it again and again if you need to.

                            HAVE A SUPER AWESOME DAY!!  I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!!!

                            :D
                            :D
                            :D

                            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                            by Mortifyd on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 06:43:19 PM PDT

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                          •  fine (0+ / 0-)

                            You have no fucking idea about what and how much I do for my people and yours for that matter. How many fucking innercity kids have you brought out to South Dakota? Or do you just kick back and say shitty things to people you don't even know? You've been stupid and disrespectful to me for long enough and I'm getting tired of your dumb fucking shit.
                                  All the people at Native American Netroots including Meteor Blades and Navajo know me personally, ask them about my long years of service and activism. Until you do and begin to know something about me I'd advise you to just shut the fuck up and stop your ignorant and snide remarks. I have no fucking idea why you seem to have taken stupid offense at my initial question but I've answered you politely and with restraint. So now you can kiss my red ass and fuck off.

                            America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

                            by cacamp on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 08:03:21 PM PDT

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                          •  Happy new week! (0+ / 0-)

                            I hope yours begins well.  Since  we have decided to make this a relationship, I feel we should get to know one another better.  :D

                            Today started out very wet and dreary, but the sun came out just gloriously and it was a beautiful day.  Fishing was excellent from what I heard on the docks - everyone came away happy.  

                            I should really get a new memory card for my camera - we live in such different environments I could take pictures of the sunrise and sunset over the ocean for you.  

                            This week in dock wildlife the little ducklings are coming along nicely, the young seagulls are practising their flying skills and we have OTTERS!!!  You know I just love river otters - and that they are making a comeback here is just fantastic.

                            So be well until tomorrow!

                            Thinking of you!!!

                            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                            by Mortifyd on Sat Jun 23, 2012 at 10:08:34 PM PDT

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          •  Do you know about Compton Jr. Posse? (0+ / 0-)

            http://www.comptonjrposse.org/

            Really terrific organization, and they get those kids out to real shows and clinics with international level riders. They rock.

            There's also Horses in the Hood based in Watts. Their goal is to build an equestrian center, but they've had to settle for taking kids  out to other facilities for riding camps. I have always appreciated the details, like that each kid gets paddock boots to keep and a disposable camera (including processing).

            Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

            by elfling on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 11:06:39 PM PDT

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      •  Dressage is a style of riding. You can be poor (3+ / 0-)
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        and practice that. All it takes is access to a horse.

        North Carolina: Where you can marry your cousin. Just not your gay cousin.

        by second gen on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 12:09:31 PM PDT

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        •  do poor people have "access to a horse"? (0+ / 0-)

          I truely wonder how many inner city people or minimum wage workers have access to horses. Most poor people in my experience are more interested in feeding their kids than dancing horses. It just seemed to me like expecting poor people to play golf or be on swimming teams. Yes there are exceptions, like folks who work for horse owners or caddy's in golf etc but in reality actual "poor people" never are around horses or golf courses at all.

          Look, it's just a minor point I won't belabor anymore as I said it just depends on how one defines "poor".
          btw, I live on an Indian reservation and many of us ride horses and yep, we're very poor. None of us do dressage though.

          I like dressage on TV and I'm glad it's a Olympic sport because I'm also a horse lover. All my kids & g'kids can ride bareback like the wind and train their own horses so I'm not trying to argue about dressage, I'll be cheering for the American team this summer.

          America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

          by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 02:51:48 PM PDT

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          •  every major city I have lived in (1+ / 0-)
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            now that I think about it - has had some kind of access to horses.  Rentals in the city park, lessons through 4-H or community college, Pony Club which is kind of like scouts for horse nuts - there is always a way with a little desire and thought.

            That's like saying Neil Degrasse Tyson couldn't major in astronomy because he lived in the Bronx and couldn't see the stars as a kid.  Funnily enough - he managed because they appealed to him.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 03:48:22 PM PDT

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            •  so you think poor people can rent horses? (0+ / 0-)

              or join 4-H or a pony club? Like I said, you can always come up with exceptions or define "poor" differently. But I think you really know that very few poor people participate in dressage which was my only point.

              America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

              by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 05:30:42 PM PDT

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              •  My point is, you don't need a penny to (1+ / 0-)
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                Mortifyd

                participate in dressage. If you have a horse, you can do dressage. It's a STYLE not a type of horse. It's a training method. All it takes is some reading, learning. You're saying poor people can't do dressage, then you're saying you have access to horses even though you're poor, but you don't do dressage because you're poor. You've already done just about everything you need to start learning dressage. You have the availability of the horse.  Will you be perfect at it? Olympic level? Nope, but anyone who can do a side pass, pivot, bend a pole is practicing dressage, whether they know it or not.

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                by second gen on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 05:36:13 PM PDT

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                •  I said none of those things (0+ / 0-)

                  I didn't say poor people "can't do dressage" nor did I say I don't do dressage because I'm poor. I have no idea where you read that shit but it wasn't from me. I merely made one unimportant point... I didn't think "plenty of poor people do dressage", that's it. I may have been wrong and hordes of poor people are dancing their horses all over the nation. That's all great, I just haven't seen them, no biggie. There seems to be testimony to that effect in this thread, a couple of commenters seem to have gone to great lenghts to achieve it and I'm glad for them too. I'm sure they enriched their lives and I hope you have too.

                  I did say I like to see dressage on TV and I'm glad it's an Olympic sport.

                  Dressage hasn't been a part of our culture but perhaps one day it could be. I certainly would have no objection to that, it's beautiful sport. Cheers

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                  by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 06:17:54 PM PDT

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              •  or work to ride - someone always needs to (0+ / 0-)

                clean tack and stalls.

                You are insisting that dressage is just out of range for poor people - despite multiple people showing you not only their own experiences but how many opportunities exist to enter the world of dressage and riding in general.

                There are also often scholarships available for people of limited income to use private facilities - the local swimming pool has a sliding scale and scholarships for anyone who needs one as an example.  It's not safe to swim in the river or ocean here.

                Pony Club is a freaking CLUB.  The handbook is available on line or at the library.  Learning the terminology is a start and opportunities are available.

                4-H is also a CLUB.  It just tends to be more rural based than Pony Club - but to claim they don't exist or exclude poor people for the sake of being poor is not true.

                You yourself live in a horse heavy area.  Some markers and some effort and you too can have your very own dressage ring.  You can even invite people in to teach without spending money the community doesn't have - because people who have skills like to share them.  

                Usually.

                And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 07:01:30 PM PDT

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      •  sorry, I did (2+ / 0-)
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        I mucked out stalls for lessons.  I cleaned tack and fed horses and groomed and learned not only the art of dressage, but also how to care for and be a part of the horses life - not just order it around when judges were looking.

        There are plenty of opportunities if you live in an area where events are happening to be involved without a ton of cash.  Volunteer works works - and it DOES create opportunity for people with TALENT to stand out and be helped to the next level.

        You really need to get out more - and stop thinking so little of poor people.

        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

        by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 12:38:13 PM PDT

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        •  Please read my last post to the diarist above (1+ / 0-)
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          I don't know why you'd feel the need to insult me, I'm one of those poor you think I have no respect for. I also get out quite a bit among my fellow poor people so I know most never see a horse in the flesh. The few who get to work with horses like you did are hardly representative of "plenty of poor people".

          There are plenty of opportunities if you live in an area where events are happening to be involved without a ton of cash.
          The vast majority of poor people do not live where "events are happening" in fact dressage is very rare in poor neighborhoods in most cities where most poor people exist and fewer yet poor people have the Rmoneys as neighbors. You can cite all the exceptions you want to and hurl all the insults you can think of but the bare assed truth remains... there are not "plenty of poor people" involved in dressage except maybe low wage workers for Rmoney. Get real.

          America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

          by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 03:03:43 PM PDT

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          •  you know what? I lived at Ft. Leonard Wood MO (1+ / 0-)
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            and by "areas where events are happening" I mean as far away as Indiana.  I took my first lessons on base and paid for them with my chore money.  I was an army kid, living in base housing and POOR.  

            And yet, I was able to learn to ride, fence, sail and more because I was interested in doing things and not worrying if I was "too poor" to try them.

            When I got better, I paid gas money to my base instructor to learn from HER instructor in Rolla, 45 minutes by car away.  I paid my share of the gas with my chore money, and earned lessons by cleaning the barn and tack.

            I worked as a groom to go to events.  I slept on the floor in my barn owners hotel room - and she was a retired military nurse and her husband a retired enlisted guy.  They weren't rich either, they just loved horses.  They boarded horses to bring in income and allow us to ride regularly with instruction.  My being there was a help to her, the animals and myself - not some charity trip.

            I bought my best boots and gear second hand, or bought the best quality in my price range - because riding clothing is not that expensive.  I wasn't judged for not having custom boots, I was judged on my seat and whether or not my heels and hands were where they were supposed to be.  Our barn shared saddles and equipment because we competed as a team, not individuals.

            In fact, very few of the people I competed against regularly were actually "Romney rich" they were members of families that made sacrifices to a dream - or worked their asses off like I did.  

            Not all poor people live in urban settings.  Horse events happen all over the country, not just in the "Romney world."  Stop treating us poor people like we are stupid, helpless and too intimidated by your understanding of class issues to enjoy things in life.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 03:36:12 PM PDT

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            •  I'm glad for you (0+ / 0-)

              and I'm not "treating you" in any way at all. If you're too "stupid, helpless and intiminated" to understand that I pity you. But actually I suspect this is just a long comment to pat yourself on your own back. It proves nothing and certainly not that plenty of poor people participte in dressage which was my only point. I didn't say they couldn't or anything else you seem to read into my words.

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              by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 05:36:49 PM PDT

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              •  it's not about me, it's about your insistence (0+ / 0-)

                than poor people don't ride or have access - when I and several others have demonstrated that it's simply NOT true.

                And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 07:17:35 PM PDT

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      •  You don't have to own a horse (3+ / 0-)
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        to do dressage or any other kind of riding.

        Horses need to be exercised: Standing around in a stall all day is no better for them than sitting on the couch watching TV all day is for us. Many people simply don't have time to get their horses out as much as they should, which opens many opportunities for other people to ride for little or no money, especially if they are willing to help with the chores.  This is how many people I know got into riding.

        •  hahaha, that's good (1+ / 0-)
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          If only all the millions of poor inner city folks knew they could go out to the wealthy neighborhoods and do some chores in exchange for a ride! Most don't have cars and few bus lines run out to Rmoneys place but if they knew what you know, hell, there'd be long lines of us standing outside every stall fighting over that mucking rake.  :)
          But here's what I said to the diarist upthread...

          Look, it's just a minor point I won't belabor anymore as I said it just depends on how one defines "poor".
           btw, I live on an Indian reservation and many of us ride horses and yep, we're very poor. None of us do dressage though.

          I like dressage on TV and I'm glad it's a Olympic sport because I'm also a horse lover. All my kids & g'kids can ride bareback like the wind and train their own horses so I'm not trying to argue about dressage, I'll be cheering for the American team this summer.

          America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

          by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 03:12:34 PM PDT

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          •  The stable I keep my horse in (2+ / 0-)
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            is in the City of Oakland, CA. And there are at least two others in the city that I know of. Admittedly,they're on the outskirts, but still within city limits. In addition to those, Oakland is in the process of refurbishing the historical city-owned City Stables just down the road from where I keep my horse.

            There are stables in Rock Creek Park, smack in the center of Washington DC. Similarly in Central Park in New York City. (The  stables in Golden Gate Park in SF are currently closed, but there is an ongoing effort to reopen them.)

            If you look for them, there are actually more accessible stables than you would think.

            •  that's real fine (0+ / 0-)

              I hope they can handle all the "plenty of poor people" who are participating in dressage. I guess I just missed seeing them all.

              America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

              by cacamp on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 05:39:37 PM PDT

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  •  You don't like horses? (22+ / 0-)

    Back in the day, horses were as much a part of a person's life as breathing. The pentathalon included events with horses. Three day eventing (dressage, cross-country, and show jumping) shows the bond and teamwork between human and horse, since each event truly requires intense coordination between the two species.

    Why should "horse ballet" be a part of the Olympics - horse events are a far older part of the world than ice skating, gymnastics or some other judged sports? Because for many years, our sole transportation was by horse.

    Many of the moves shown in dressage were developed for war horses in cavalry. The instant response to a cue could mean the difference between life and death for the soldier on board.

    Yes, the horse is important to the score, but to get a good score requires that the human on top actually be able to communicate subtly with the horse doing the work.

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    by woolibaar on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 06:21:35 AM PDT

    •  aristocratic associations (2+ / 0-)
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      Many of the moves shown in dressage were developed for war horses in cavalry. The instant response to a cue could mean the difference between life and death for the soldier on board.
      BTW, most of these "soldiers" were upper class individuals, not drafted peasants.

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      by Visceral on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 09:49:04 AM PDT

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      •  Which army are you talking about? (2+ / 0-)
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        I have to admit I don't know much about the historic make up of cavalry, but I was surprised when I went to Little Big Horn and I learned that many of Custer's troops were recent Irish immigrants. The one thing those soldiers had in common was their small stature - smaller men were hand picked for the cavalry for the sake of the horses.

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        by HugoDog on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 10:00:59 AM PDT

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        •  historically, cavalry almost invariably rich (1+ / 0-)
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          They were the only ones with the means to support the horse(s) - the best cavalry had several horses each - during peacetime.  Warhorses made poor working horses (so they didn't earn their keep) and vice versa, so even a well-off peasant with his own Clydesdale would still fight on foot when conscripted because the king wanted more land.

          The principal exceptions are highly mobile populations like the Asiatic steppe peoples - e.g. the Mongols - and post-contact Native Americans.

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          by Visceral on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 10:15:57 AM PDT

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          •  except we never supported that kind of calvary (3+ / 0-)
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            units in the US - so thats some total bullshit in context to the conversation.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 12:40:15 PM PDT

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            •  Although we are talking Olympics here, not (1+ / 0-)
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              just American competition. But if you are going to make a historical class based argument, you probably should make one against the sailing competitions, too.  

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              by HugoDog on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:17:43 PM PDT

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              •  LOL are you stupid? (3+ / 0-)
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                Since I live on a sailboat and I'm about as freaking poor as they come - I am the LAST person to make that argument for you.

                Sailing doesn't have to be a rich man's hobby either, it's my life.

                And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:23:10 PM PDT

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                •  Ha. Same with horses. (1+ / 0-)
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                  4 points for Gryffindor.

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                  by HugoDog on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:28:21 PM PDT

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                  •  slytherin my man, I am NOT a Gryffindork LOL (2+ / 0-)
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                    And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                    by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:29:41 PM PDT

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                  •  notice I was also a dressage rider (3+ / 0-)
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                    just because I have "rich man" interests doesn't mean I have ever been rich.  I just don't let things like snobbery keep me from the skills I think are a part of being a functional human being.  YMMV.

                    And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                    by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:41:40 PM PDT

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                    •  me either (3+ / 0-)
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                      While I'm a working class schlub, I do love my classical music, art museums, poetry, etc. etc. (especially the music). I don't see anything inherently "elitist" about it, either.

                      I was never really into horses, but my wife has certainly mucked out her share of stalls to get riding time.

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                      by HugoDog on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:47:28 PM PDT

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  •  Horses are people, too. Just like corporations. (3+ / 0-)

    Isn't it obvious?

    As President, and with all of his Olympic experience, Romney can suggest that for the next Olympics, their can be sanctioned corporation events:

    1.  Which corporation can bankrupt the most smaller corporations.

    2.  Which corporation can layoff the most workers.

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    by Eman on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 06:35:08 AM PDT

  •  You really must have something (9+ / 0-)

    more important to complain about.

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    by jsfox on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 06:50:06 AM PDT

  •  As others have pointed out, the (12+ / 0-)

    horses are not abused, dressage requires complete and active communication between the horse and rider...communication is through muscle control, not mental telepathy or shouts so it indeed qualifies as a "sport".

    And if this diary is going to remain up, you might want to correct the spelling of "Romney" in your tags.

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    by klompendanser on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 07:08:35 AM PDT

  •  Don't let one asshat (9+ / 0-)

    determine your ideas about what Dressage is. Look at some of it. If you learn what's involved, and have a brain, you will appreciate it for the incredible art it is.
    Historically, it is based in maneuvers needed in war. It is a complete integration of human and horse.
    I hope you take the time to educate yourself about it, and come back and comment again.

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    by emmasnacker on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 07:11:18 AM PDT

    •  It's the Olympics - not My Little Pony (0+ / 0-)

      Did Carl Lewis have to intergrate himself with an animal to win.

      •  no Carl Lewis (5+ / 0-)

        only had to learn to deal with himself in a sprint, now a relay, he had to work in a team.  You denigrate a team that is human, animal but seem to have no problem with all human teams.  Got something against animals?

      •  you really don't understand (2+ / 0-)
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        that a horse will not do something if it doesn't feel like it.  It will drop you on your ass, and it can easily kill you.

        Stop making them sound like puppies being kicked.

        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

        by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 12:41:47 PM PDT

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        •  True, that. (2+ / 0-)
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          If a horse truly wants you to get off of it's back, you will get off.

          Furthermore, in the context of this discussion, a horse that has been abused or "tortured" will not be competitive in the ring. They will be sullen, resentful and slow to respond. Which the judges will pick up on immediately, especially when contrasted with the other horses who are enjoying themselves.

          •  Whiskey Rebellion made me look GOOD (2+ / 0-)
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            at Jr Training Level competition.  Next comes "Training Level" and competition for Olympic spots.  I had a coach who was an Olympic medalist - I groomed his horses for lessons in addition to my regular barn.

            Now, here's the thing:  at 16 I was smart enough to know that WH knew a lot more about winning than I did - so I listened to HIM.  I showed him the courses, I walked him through the woods course (I did 3 day, which combines stadium jumping, dressage and cross country jumping) and I let him make his own decisions on timing even as I learned how to judge jumps myself.

            So when we got up in the morning and got ready to compete - WE were competing.  Not just me, not just him, we were a team and worked together.  And when I had doubts I let him lead and he made me look good.  I didn't force him to do anything.  He liked dressage actually, you could always tell he knew he was doing well by the way he went through the course - if he felt spot on he was almost gleeful in his "I know how to do this one neener neener nee-ner!"

            Horse ballet my ass.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:20:43 PM PDT

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            •  I don't compete, (2+ / 0-)
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              I'm just a casual rider, but my horse gets all excited when my instructor starts laying out a course for him. He loves learning new tricks, and he loves showing off for an audience. In his younger days he would thrived in a show environment.

              •  hells yeah, they like challenges (2+ / 0-)
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                and fun and doing stuff with their peoples.  Non-animal people don't always grasp that there is someone inside there you have to get to know and be close with to work together, whether it's fancy steps or pulling a plow.

                And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

                by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:31:25 PM PDT

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  •  No, not if the horse is trained (4+ / 0-)

    it's supposed to be a partnership

    The horse is in complete control of whether the rider "wins" via the judging of how good his horse can do fancy horse ballet moves in a tight space.

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    by eXtina on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 07:13:44 AM PDT

    •  you clearly don't understand "trained" (2+ / 0-)
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      when it comes to horses.

      There are multiple courses that are run on the same arena.  Different levels of horses and riders do different patterns.  The horse I rode competitively knew 20 different patterns and could to them WITHOUT me.  By himself.  For fun.

      So "trained" doesn't mean he knew one pattern and did it unquestioningly.  He had to know which one to do, I had to know which one to do and we had to do it well as a team.  If he didn't feel like doing it - we lost points.  If I didn't listen to him - we lost points.  If he was really into it - boy oh boy did we look awesome - but he had to feel it and I had to know how to work with him, not against him.

      And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

      by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:46:12 PM PDT

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  •  Why isn't roller derby an Olympic sport? (3+ / 0-)
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    Seriously! It would be great.

    •  My vote would be for Motoball. (0+ / 0-)

      When they did the "Goodwill Games" back in the eighties, they included Motoball, and it was spectacular.  For those who don't know, Motoball was developed in the 1930s in Europe, and it's similar to polo.  Except instead of horses, the players are on motorcycles.  

  •  Two insults for the price of one! (10+ / 0-)

    First of all, dressage is descended from the training of warhorses; the communication between horse and rider was essential to success in battle.  I was once fortunate enough to see the Lipizzaner horses doing their thing.  They were breathtakingly beautiful animals; expertly trained, heartbreakingly graceful, and a good number of their moves were intended to brutally kill infantrymen.  Hoof to the head.  Like fencing or the subtle patterns in the steel of a katana, dressage proves that lethality and beauty are not mutually exclusive things.

    And what do you have against ballet?  Ballet dancers are some of the most ridiculously conditioned athletes in the world.  Easily on par with the fittest people you'll find in either the military or professional sports.

  •  The Olympics have been around a LONG time (11+ / 0-)

    and horses have been a key part of the competition.  Today, there are 3 events - cross country, stadium jumping and dressage.  It is amazing to train these magnificent animals to compete in one event - let alone all three.  It is done with love, kind discipline and expertise. Having had horses most of my life, you cannot imagine the hours and hours of working together it takes to even do beginning dressage.  When you have that rare communication with your horse and perform these difficult maneuvers - it is miraculous.  Don't knock it if you haven't tried it.  And yet I don't feel people as rich as the Romneys should get tax deductions for their horse training expenses.  The people I know who work in dressage, do it with love not for the money.

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    by moose67 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 07:47:21 AM PDT

  •  I'll See You, And Raise You A (1+ / 0-)
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    "Why do people give a shit about the olympics?"

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    by TooFolkGR on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 07:52:33 AM PDT

  •  dog agility? competitive sheep herding? (0+ / 0-)

    is polo an olympic sport?

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    by mightymouse on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 08:10:22 AM PDT

  •  There's been a lot of weird (0+ / 0-)

    Olympic events through the years:

    http://www.squidoo.com/...

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    by CFAmick on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 08:30:37 AM PDT

  •  London doesn't have room for a Nascar track. nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  What I know about dressage is (1+ / 0-)
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    that my petty bourgeois social climbing in-laws discovered it and think it the greatest thing ever. I am not dissin the sport but the people who I have seen involved in it are no better than the eurotrash who hang out at Formula One events. If you have a successful dressage horse you can help close the whole in the ground where you pour in your money by charging to put him out to stud.

    As for it being an Olympic sport I guess it belongs as much as show jumping and golf. Would I watch ? No. But that is true of other Olympic events as well. I will give you that it is a legitimate sport. But so is woman's softball. And that is a lot more fun to watch. And they got rid of it darn them.

    The riders are talented athletes and the horses are beautiful. But people like my in-laws ruin it for me.

    And yes I believe that dog agility and working dog competitions should be in the Olympics. Really. No snark intended.  

    •  Sorry about your in-laws (1+ / 0-)
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      It's a fun and challenging sport, even for us peons. I'd love to see dog agility, too!

      •  Yeah you should hear them go on about the blood (1+ / 0-)
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        lines of this horse or that. And they email me pictures and they talk about people I do not know and will never know and it is all really quite boring. But I can see where the sport could be interesting if you were educated in it and understood the history and traditions, etc. And riding horses is a really good work out. Its the implicit snobbery exhibited by some people that make it tiresome.

        As for inclusion in the Olympics I believe the more the merrier. Curling, bring it on! Synchronized swimming might be cool if we knew more about it. But the problem with the way the Olympics is broadcasted is that there is too little competition and too much back story. Teach me the sport and I'll enjoy it more. Like short track ice skating. Or women's figure skating. Or the shooting sports.

        •  Sounds like they're serious snobs (0+ / 0-)

          Who are also desperately insecure, thus needing to show off their wealth by being utter bores and boors.

          I stopped watching Olympic coverage a long time ago for that very reason. It's useless. Just show the athletes and use down-time describe what each sport is about, for those who don't know, and let us enjoy the grace and athleticism in peace.

    •  This is a problem in any activity where (0+ / 0-)

      there is the opportunity to spend lots of money. Look at sailing: Most sailors are just folks who like being on the water with their buddies, but there is that 5-10% who feel that the fact that the own a *Yacht* makes them intrinsically superior the the rest of mankind.

      •  WHAT? (0+ / 0-)

        You obviously don't live in a marina.

        I have a "YACHT" for your information - it's 25 feet long, 8.5 feet wide and 6'3" height at the highest point because I just put a new free top on it.  I live in it with no running water, no toilet and showers 1/4 a mile away.  Office cubes are bigger than my entire home.

        Most of the people who actually LIVE here are poor.  We own our boats that we bought and worked on - I paid $1000 for mine and it was a shell.  I made payments to the guy until I owned it.  Then I refit it so I could live in it when I lost everything.

        So how about you rethink your assumptions about sailors and riders and people in general - because you're barking up the wrong mast.

        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

        by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 01:52:29 PM PDT

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        •  You didn't read my comment carefully. (0+ / 0-)

          Back when I owned a 34-foot wooden yawl, I got in the habit of dividing the (marine) world into "boaters" and "Yachtsmen". Boaters were the guys like you and me. "Yachtsmen" were the clowns who bought expensive boats and felt that that made the superior. I also stated, in the comment that you didn't read, that the "Yachtsmen" constituted maybe 5-10% of the boating population. They are there, and they are annoying. Just as similar people exist in the world of horsemanship, as stated in the post to which I was responding.

          Since you are responding to comments without reading them, I will disengage from you and this diary now.

          •  rushed reading happens in real life (0+ / 0-)

            but I do feel that your comments aren't always clear to me which is why I seem confused to you.  

            Have fun storming the castle.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 02:09:28 PM PDT

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        •  Is this your plan or is this emergency (0+ / 0-)

          livimg quarters? No snark here just a real interest to learn more. Do you enjoy living on the boat. Or are you desperate to get off the boat. I could see where living on a boat could be fun. Like a houseboat. But being a Floridian I would constantly be worrying about the weather.

          I think that there is a lot to say in favor of downsizing and living in smaller quarters. Where I live I feel cramped and hemmed in by all our useless stuff and would like to be able to start over with a blank slate.

          In any event I hope you are happy and if you are not happy then I hope your circumstances change really soon.

          •  I live here, it's my home. (0+ / 0-)

            I had apartments and considered buying homes and all that when I had better income - but what I wanted was a boat.  

            I bought a trashed out CAL 25 to work on, and when I lost my job and my apartment and - pretty much everything, I moved into the only thing I own - the boat.  

            Even cost wise - my slip fees are $700 a year, and my liveaboard is only $35 plus quarterly utilities.  If I was working normally now it would be all paid and I'd be comfortable on a part time income.  Being sick put a dent in that, but eventually I will sort it out.

            Weather here is awful most of the time.  Lots of rain and wind - you have to pay $5 at the fair to get the ride I get for free.  There is a hotel wrapped partially around the basin that acts as a windbreak and I face to the west - where most of the storms come in.  I think I get a smoother ride than some of the power boats and houseboats (we have 2 here) being lower profile, but the trade off is width and room.

            Now I'm not sure I would go back to the land to be honest, though I did go though a period of depression that I had somehow "failed" in society by living in an unusual manner.  

            I periodically get rid of things, there are challenges - no running water in the ordinary sense (I have a hose and a kettle bu a sink over a bucket - that's "running" water at my house) no usable toilet (pumps directly over the side, illegal in US waters) and the closest shower is 1/2 mile round trip.  

            I sleep better with the rocking, I manage my own environment, I use fewer resources, I piddle around and make my house better when I can like any other homeowner.  It's just tiny, relatively speaking.  

            I discovered I don't need a lot of things that I thought of a sentimental - and I also discovered that some of the things I carried around didn't actually have good feelings or memories associated with them - removing them made a difference in my life.

            On the downside - it's made me very intolerant of what I consider stupid and completely unimportant to actually living.  I don't have as much social contact with people who are landlubbers and live in the current American universe other than work - which I've been too ill to go to recently. (Recovering well, Thank G-d)  

            I don't have room for chotchkies and books all the time so I do have to purchase carefully or not at all.  And I don't have room for TV - so again I miss a lot of things other Americans use to connect socially.  That and I'm not really very social being a bit Aspy and introverted to begin with.

            I don't think it would work for other people as well as it does for me.

            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Tue Jun 19, 2012 at 12:43:58 PM PDT

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  •  I love the dressage (2+ / 0-)
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    BOHICA, Mortifyd

    And just because it looks like the rider is doing nothing, in reality the rider is controlling the horse's every step.

    You are showing your lack of knowledge.

    Women create the entire labor force.

    by splashy on Mon Jun 18, 2012 at 12:02:29 PM PDT

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