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In a raid near the Iranian border, Pakistani forces arrested Naamen Meziche, a French citizen and suspected member of the 'Hamburg Cell'...the Al Qaeda recruitment network that produced three of the four pilots of hijacked planes on 9/11.

http://online.wsj.com/...

Mr. Meziche was friends with Mohammed Atta, one of the Sept. 11 hijackers, according to a German official. He is the son-in-law of Mohamed al-Fazazi, a spiritual leader of the Hamburg group that led the attacks, according to German police reports.

Mr. Fazazi was sentenced to 30 years in prison in Morocco in connection with bombings in Casablanca in 2003 that killed 45 people.

But German officials were unable to develop a case against Mr. Meziche due to lack of evidence, court records show. He continued to travel regularly to Pakistan, German intelligence officials said.

Then, in mid-2010, two German men with links to Hamburg were captured in Pakistan and Afghanistan. They told U.S. and German interrogators about plans to attack multiple targets in Europe. They also gave details about their group, which included Mr. Meziche, according to a review of interrogation records.

It appears at the time of his capture Meziche was a subordinate of Younis al-Mauritani, the most recent 'Al Qaeda External Operations' chief in charge of plotting attacks against Western targets.  Mauritani was captured last September in a joint operation by Pakistani and US intelligence agents.  It appears intel gleaned from Mauritani led us to Meziche.

Bill Roggio at 'The Long War Journal' adds that Meziche had tried to enter Iraq to fight US troops there...and in 2009 went from Germany with numerous accomplices to Pakistan to join a budding terrorist network called 'Islamic Jihad Union'...a splinter cell of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.  IJU is now seen as having been absorbed into Al Qaeda Central.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/...

Funny how Pakistan manages to snag a significant terror arrest every time we come close to cutting off their aid.

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  •  This (4+ / 0-)
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    Susan from 29, G2geek, Lawrence, buckstop
    Funny how Pakistan manages to snag a significant terror arrest every time we come close to cutting off their aid.
    Now the question is - What will the Pakistanis do with him?

    NC-4 (soon to be NC-6) Obama/Biden 2012

    by bear83 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 03:26:06 PM PDT

    •  yep. we need to do it more often:-) (3+ / 0-)
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      Though, credit where credit is due, and Pakistan gets points for grabbing this one.  

      I would much rather be reading stories about Pakistan catching these guys regularly, without any need for prodding from us.

      Probably Pakistan will handle him domestically (interrogate, charge, try, convict, imprison) and pass some of the interrogation results to us.  It would be better if our people could conduct the interrogations, assuming we've ditched torture and returned to the time-tested methods that get reliable output.  But any information will be useful, and all of it will be checked with all-source intel to be sure.  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 04:18:18 PM PDT

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  •  This will be a big one. (1+ / 0-)
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    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 03:26:15 PM PDT

    •  here's hoping our people get to interrogate him... (2+ / 0-)
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      .... first, using the correct methods (no torture) to get reliable information.  But in any case he's now out of operation, so as long as he doesn't walk or escape, it's a victory.

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 04:14:12 PM PDT

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      •  The Pakistanis have probably been interrogating (2+ / 0-)
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        him for a while.
        I agree with the "correct methods" approach. I think they've gone back to that now as it works.
        The Seres based torture of Cheney's was intended to give up "confessions" whether they were reality based or not.
        At least that's the info I've read.
        I think it may be important that he has been discovered near the Iranian border.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 04:48:55 PM PDT

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        •  Yes. (1+ / 0-)
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          The methods used in SERE school (the basis for the Bush-Cheney torture program) are based on the firsthand experiences of American POWs in Korea and Vietnam.  So that American pilots and special operations personnel would be somewhat prepared in the event of capture by a brutal, torturous enemy that didn't abide by the Geneva Convention.

          In the Korean War, American prisoners of war were subjected to waterboarding, sleep deprivation, stress positions, and other tactics designed to break them into giving false "confessions" to dropping chemical weapons on civilians.  These tactics were used specifically so that the prisoners would not have significant visible injuries when their "confessions" were filmed for broadcast.

          The original name for SERE school was 'The Communist Interrogation Model.'

          So yeah...while Bush and Cheney were preaching the spread of democracy, they were torturing prisoners with the favored tactics of our sadistic former Communist enemies.

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          by TarantinoDork on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 05:29:42 PM PDT

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        •  yeah; though... (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm not reading anything into "near Iran border" yet until there's more information, but it's not unreasonable to wonder.

          I think the reason Cheney went for torture is:  the man's entire life has been utterly dominated by his absolute abject terror at the prospect of his own mortality.  Other data points include the lengths he went to in order to avoid Vietnam, and his history of heart attacks and surgeries.   9/11 would have been like a huge PTSD trigger overdose for him, and all the extreme measures were basically psychological overcompensation.  

          Frankly I feel sorry for him: he lives his life terrified of his death.  When he was in his "undisclosed locations" he was probably in the hospital being treated for panic attacks.  He should have gotten competent psychotherapy starting at about the time of his first heart attack, to help him get over this stuff, but apparently that didn't happen.  And so the policies of Dick Cheney were the consequences of his not getting psychotherapy.  

          If there's a hereafter and it's anything like what people report from near-death experiences (NDEs), he's going to discover that he wasted his life on his fears.   Unconditional love from a deity would be more than sufficient to heal his stuff.  That part is all religious speculation of course.  

          Too bad it didn't happen earlier in such a manner that he could have changed his life and gone on to do differently.   And that part is backed up with clinical findings from the patient histories of people who have had NDEs.  

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 05:30:14 PM PDT

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  •  Oh, goodie (1+ / 0-)
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    Near the Iranian border. Ayup - proof the Iranians were behind 9/11. Bomb, bomb Iran.

    from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

    by Catte Nappe on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 03:34:20 PM PDT

    •  somewhere on Sol Planet 3, proof that... (1+ / 0-)
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      .... the species that calls itself "humans" is not yet capable of managing a planetary civilization.

      Memo to Gray Council:  

      Discuss upgrading surveillance of this region of the planet, possible need for robotic probe overflights (see notes about avoiding "UFO" incidents, cc to Anthropology dep't.).  

      Meeting in Hexagon conference room at blue hour.  If the rep from Tau Ceti can't attend due to transportation issues, ask if remote participation via ansible is sufficient, or if a proxy from Alpha Centauri would be preferred.  

      Yours-
      -G2G, Member, Observer Unit, Earth Project.
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      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 04:28:23 PM PDT

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  •  good! Now we've got 'em all. Let's come home. (1+ / 0-)
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    Thaty wraps it up. No more reason to be there. And I mean it!

    •  not quite.... (1+ / 0-)
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      .... there are more yet to catch in the region.  AQ's mad bomb-maker is still on the loose, for one.  I'd guess the total is somewhere between a dozen and two dozen, depending on how fast they replace them.   And I'd guess two more years before we can disengage.  These estimates are intuitive and not based on specific data.  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 04:30:16 PM PDT

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      •  There are now less than 10 terrorists... (4+ / 0-)
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        Whose death or capture I'd consider to be vital to marginalizing Al Qaeda as a significant organized threat to global security.

        Off the top of my head:

        Ayman al Zawahiri (Egyptian, likely in Pakistan)
        Saif al Adel (Egyptian, either in Pakistan or Iran)
        Adnan Shukrijumah (Saudi by birth, probably Pakistan but who knows)
        Doku Umarov (Chechen, somewhere in the Caucasus)
        Nasir al Wuhayshi (Saudi, head of AQAP, in Yemen)
        Ibrahim al Asiri (Saudi, bombmaker, in Yemen)

        The good news is that this time last year I'd have also included Attiyah Abdel Rahman, Abu Yahya al Libi, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, Anwar al Awlaki, and Ilyas Kashmiri.  They and numerous others are all now dead.

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        by TarantinoDork on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 05:38:58 PM PDT

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        •  ooh, you're good! (0+ / 0-)

          Dude, you've got the names!  

          That's my downfall: shitty memory for names, so when it comes to AQs I just don't bother trying (which is also a shortcoming but none the less).

          OK, so who's going to post the "dead pool" to take bets on when each of them gets crossed off the list?

          You've got six, I was guessing 1-2 dozen based on the idea that some of them would be replaced quickly and the replacements would be added to the list.  But in fact it does seem that AQ has a tough time hiring competent help these days.  Which goes to show: uneducated 16-year-olds may believe the stuff about 72 virgins upon martyrization, but older people with skills aren't buying it.  

          BTW, did you ever get a chance to read their "magazine"?  Without going into details in public, did you also get the impression that these people have shitty tech skills?

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 06:02:18 PM PDT

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  •  Ashamed to say... (6+ / 0-)

    ... I did not know Pakistan bordered Iran until I looked at a globe after reading this diary.

    Pakistan is a messy and important relationship.

    No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible.

    by Magster on Wed Jun 20, 2012 at 03:37:24 PM PDT

    •  A lot of the reporting (1+ / 0-)
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      is saying Quetta anyway.

      Some of the reports say he was captured near the border with Iran. Some of the reports say he was captured in Quetta.

      Some of the reports manage to say both.

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