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     In my second installment of Evolving Into Stupid I have apparently attracted the ire of one or two individuals, though I suspect it’s just one particular person, that took considerable offence to my calling Americans “fucking idiots” (we are), and suggesting overly superstitious people are crazy or otherwise defective, and they are in my opinion.  The person (or persons) I oh-so offended took the time to comment on the diary, and then took extra special time to devote a blog entry to it.  

(http://shroudofturin.wordpress.com/...)  

     Thank you, by the way, for all of the comments, positive and negative.

      The person (persons) said I’m arrogant and condescending.  They also lifted my picture from Facebook and posted it in their blog without my permission, which is kind of creepy.  And in regard to my bit about people using something with as highly questionable historical and scientific accuracy as the bible (and other like nonsense) as a means by which to make an informed conclusion as to “jumping to conclusions,” and suggesting those folks are “cranks;” they said I can’t “distinguish differences in interpretation.”  Differences in interpretation?  Are you fucking kidding me?

    Firstly, I find it interesting (and in a strange way self-gratifying) that the person (persons) completely ignored the facts I’ve presented in the diary but instead went straight for the ad hominem attack.  Nice touch and I’m sure Jesus would be pleased.  Secondly, was I arrogant in Evolving Into Stupid Pt 2?  I suppose I could have been, though arrogance really was not the intent.  I don’t think I was arrogant, but my opinion is obviously biased, so take that for whatever it’s worth.  Was I condescending?  Yes.  That was actually the intent.  In fact I strongly believe that anyone who takes a literal view (AKA a “difference in interpretation”) of the bible, or other similar bullshit, deserves condescension and mockery.  It is becoming apparent that the only way to bring attention to the fact that 40% of Americans believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old is to openly mock them for their willful ignorance.  Why?  Because it’s fucking ridiculous!  Duh.  

    Allow me to try to illustrate my point:  Imagine one day you come upon a person who believes very strongly that the world is flat, despite all of the evidence to the contrary and in despite there isn’t a single shred of evidence that supports their assertion.   Not one shred.  The only thing they can point to that supports their radical view is a collection of ancient documents written by acutely primitive people thousands of years ago, and we have to  give “respect” to these views because it’s part of their religion, even though their views are provably incorrect.  And as it turns out this person isn’t alone, they’ve started clumping together and forming little groups and wearing funny hats.  Even though they are a minority of the population they are well-financed, well-organized, and extremely vocal and they have been able to gain a great deal of attention to their cause and gain political influence.  Now imagine this same group of cranks have infiltrated school boards in a very large state, and have actually been able to expunge any mention of a spherical earth from science textbooks.  They then propose an “alternative theory” that isn’t based on science, or evidence, or anything remotely scientific, and they justify it by demanding schools “teach the controversy” and give “equal time,” and because the state in which this travesty has occurred is so large other school boards in other states have to follow along because they have to use the same textbooks.  

    How would you feel if something like my above analogy were happening to yourself or someone you know?  Well, news flash, it is happening all over the US, except it isn’t a small group of willfully ignorant cranks demanding schools teach a flat-earth world view, instead it’s a smallish (and growing) group of willfully ignorant cranks demanding schools not teach actual science but instead teach creation as described in religious texts.  This is simply horrifying.  And, yes, these crack pots deserve every bit of derision and condescension coming to them.  

    Now, in regard to Americans being fucking idiots: The results are in; we are!  This is a sad truth.  I cannot more emphatically impress upon you, dear reader, how much I wish this were not a fact.  The statistical evidence is unfortunately compelling and backs up my assertion:

    According to the Broad Foundation (http://broadeducation.org/...), 70% of American eighth graders cannot read proficiently and they will most likely never catch up.  Our scholastic standards are remarkably low compared to other nations, and as a result American students rank 25th in math and 21st in science.  The Broad Foundation found that by the end of the eighth grade, American students are two years behind their peers from other nations in mathematics.  

       If the conservatives were half as concerned about lost productivity and increased national debt as they say then they would do something about the following problems:  We have a very high dropout rate; 1.2 million American students drop out every year, and of those kids under 24 years old, 44% of them are jobless.  This translates into financial consequences for the entire nation:  From the Class of 2007 alone the dropouts will cost us over $300 billion in lost wages, tax revenue and productivity.  

       Ladies and gentlemen, that’s just from one source.  A simple Google search produces a multitude of sources with similarly dire statistics.  Unfortunately we are a nation of idiots.  We do very little (including myself) to fix this issue except pay it a little lip service.  Conservatives are even less interested in fixing these problems because as long as our education system churns out mediocre results they can continue to make their case to their constituents that the federal government is inept at educating their children, and therefore those duties should be taken away from government and gladly handed to private, for-profit businesses, which, I am sure, are even less interested in educating their kids.  

        So, it’s fine if you don’t like me, or my diary, or the things I say, or the way I choose to say them.  That’s perfectly fine.  But unfortunately what I have to say is grounded in reality.  I wish we weren’t a nation perfectly satisfied with mediocrity.  I wish we didn’t have superstitious people taking kids away from science and other subjects of learning and instead force long-disproved religious crap down their throats.  I wish for a lot of things; I am but one person.  All I have is my voice and my vote.

As always, even if never blatantly stated, I appreciate you for reading.  Thank you.

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  •  Because this has worked so well... (3+ / 0-)
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    thereisnodog2008, dylanwalker, FG
    It is becoming apparent that the only way to bring attention to the fact that 40% of Americans believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old is to openly mock them for their willful ignorance.  Why?  Because it’s fucking ridiculous!
    You do realize, that when confronted with something that doesn't conform to their belief structure most people become defensive? Actually, given the reactions you've reported seeing you experience but don't realize that it's happening.

    And screaming about it in a still louder voice doesn't help. Believe me, I know. It doesn't matter one tiny iota how correct you are you have lost the battle. Now if you want to continue engaging in snark, go right ahead, freedom of speech, etc. But if you reallyu want to change things you need to step back and find another approach.

    All my sig lines are hand-crafted by demented elves living in my skull.

    by ontheleftcoast on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 06:04:51 PM PDT

  •  If you're going to call other people stupid, it (2+ / 0-)
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    ontheleftcoast, thereisnodog2008

    would help if you knew the difference between "condescension" and "condensation".  Just sayin'.

    FYI, I am religious in a low-key, leave-others-alone kinda way. I am not Christian, but I understand the appeal of some portions of the Bible, particularly if it's read the way Jews view it: as the  myths and legends and history of one desert tribe. I like the NT a lot better because of its emphasis on helping others, social justice, and not judging others.  I also see merit in  Buddhism and other faiths--if not taken literally. As for my own beliefs--I'm Wiccan__I view my faith as  having only one binding rule: "Do what you providing you harm none". I realize I can't prove my beliefs using the scientific method, and think anyone who claims they can is either delusional or blind. And when my beliefs are proven wrong  by science, science trumps belief. Period. The End. So far no one has proven that there isn't a Creative Force in the Universe.

    I am sure you'll lump me in with fundamentalist Christians simply for not agreeing with you 110%. I won't argue your notion that a lot of Republicans are logic-challenged--but I WILL say that your attitude is that of someone very young attacking others whose world views don't differ that much from yours. If you keep on like this, you're going to be a very lonely guy, rejecting a lot of potential allies--like most Democrats.

    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

    by irishwitch on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 06:15:59 PM PDT

  •  None of These Trends is News Here. In a Time When (1+ / 0-)
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    dylanwalker

    global economic ownership is pouring hundreds of billions into around-the-clock disinformation for commercial and governance purposes (and it's not new; the Nazis studied American marketing), why would you pick a verb like "evolving" for the process?

    Dogs didn't evolve from wolves, they were bred from them. That's a much closer analogy for what's been happening to the American electorate.

    The same plutocratic forces have been taking over and manipulating the public square, the educational systems, commercial culture and institutional culture in a coordinated push for 40-45 years. That'd have been a stupendous waste of resources to develop mainstream stupidity if it were natural or intrinsic.

    With nothing here to go on other than blame for the victims, it's hard to avoid the simplest response which would be to thank our lucky stars the nobles are stepping up to save us from self-governance.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 06:36:38 PM PDT

  •  Yea. (1+ / 0-)
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    too many people

    It was me that you "oh so offended" with your arrogance and hatred in part 2 (and 3, for that matter).  But as I replied to you in that diary, that blog isn't mine and I didn't "lift" your picture.  Thats a Christian blog about the Shroud.  I'm a Muslim.  I may dislike your opinion (to put it mildly...), but I still support your right to hold it and to do so with as much privacy as you desire.  Stealing pics isn't cool, at all.

    I don't know who does own that blog, but you need to remove dylanwalker's picture immediately.

    •  thanks (1+ / 0-)
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      downsouth

      firstly, thank you for your comments and for reading. while we have disagreements I do appreciate you.  while it was a clumsy move, I wasn't trying to single you out. I was hoping the shroud blogger would take a hint and address the issue of lifting my picture here on this diary. anyway, thanks again and have a good one.

  •  I agree. Treating idiots with respect may work (1+ / 0-)
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    terrypinder

    for some folks, but in my experience they remain ignorant. Yes, people get defensive when their cherished beliefs are questioned. So? When major wars are fought over whose myth is the truth, it is important that people stand up and call them on their bullshit. Perhaps ignorance is bliss. The truth is more important than some yahoo's fragile feelings. Kudos to the diarist!

    There is only one planet suitable for human habitation in our solar system.

    by too many people on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 09:53:11 PM PDT

  •  basically, what I said in your last diary (1+ / 0-)
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    dylanwalker

    young earth creationism is not a belief worthy of respect.

    it should be mocked and derided at all times. period. we've tried nice. they have not. they just lie even more.

    Rape apologia among progressives (well, anybody) is so very disturbing.

    by terrypinder on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 05:05:22 AM PDT

  •  and you're right (1+ / 0-)
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    dylanwalker

    we celebrate mediocrity.
    it's pretty sad.

    Rape apologia among progressives (well, anybody) is so very disturbing.

    by terrypinder on Fri Jun 22, 2012 at 05:11:58 AM PDT

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