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UPDATE : I found Bing has a map in 3d. Seeing the 3d map made me realize I was wrong with some of the locations. The east pool hall is outside under an overhang on the south side of the building. For the people who have read the diary before the update, this means that when we see the person with the flashlight in the east pool hall video, that person is standing in or in front of the mail area. I also found a person entering the mail area about 10 min before what I presume is Zimmerman shining his flashlight in the area. I'm still trying to get the timing right, but this was such a glaring mistake, I needed to fix that part first.

There are some questions whether the lies told by the Zimmerman's about their assets and Zimmerman's passport, can be introduced at trial to show he is not a reliable witness.
The prosecution may not need that as evidence to show that Zimmerman is not a trustworthy person.

Here is Zimmerman's full reenactment  

Trayvon's girlfriend tells the story differently. In her interview(starts at 15:08) with the prosecution, she says Trayvon told her Zimmerman started following him when he left the mail area.

The surveillance video's from the clubhouse, show Zimmerman was out of his car and walking around the clubhouse while Trayvon was hiding from the rain near the mail area, well before he made his call to the police, and he then proceeded to follow Trayvon in his car, when Trayvon continued his walk home.  

 
Here are the aerial views in 3d

View from the south

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View from the east

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The M is the mail area, the G the game room, the K the kitchen, WH is the west pool hall, EH is the east pool hall.

I'm quite sure of where the game room is located. It appears to be a small contained area like the one in the picture. The size and placement of the window seems to fit the one in the picture.

I have some problems with the location of the kitchen. In the video it appears that there is a door to the left of the window. That only seems to fit the location I have marked with a K.    

I didn't realize the pool halls are located outside of the back of the building, underneath an overhang. That means East Pool hall and East Pool are facing the east. What you see at the end of the East Pool hall are the mailboxes.

The video is of very poor quality, it is shot at intervals of maybe 1 to 1 1/2 seconds. The videos are not exactly synchronized in time, but follow the general time line. They appear to cover the period between 6:45 pm and 7:35 pm. From about 29, 30 min into the videos,  emergency vehicles start to arrive on the scene.

According to telephone records, Trayvon's friend called him at 6:54 pm. He told her he just ran into the mail area to take cover from the rain. So we can assume that Trayvon was near the mail area between the 5 and 10 minute mark of all the videos.

I have not found video where you can see Trayvon arriving. doesn't mean that it is not in there. I focused on specific videos and times. I have some indication that Zimmerman may have followed Trayvon to the clubhouse. I will address that later. I am quite sure Zimmerman was walking around the clubhouse around the 14 minute mark of the game room video.
Update: I think the person entering the mail area at 12:48 as can be seen in the East Pool Hall video, may very well be Trayvon.

Now to the videos

The first video is the East Pool video. This one faces east looking towards Twin Trees.  
Between the 19:04 and 23:05 in this video, you can see a person in the upper left corner of the video. This person appears to have a flashlight. You can't see the person continuously in this time frame. The clearest views are at the 19:35 and 22:51 mark. The person appears to be wearing a red top.

It looks like the videos of the East Pool Hall and East Pool are reasonably in sync, East Pool hall is about 10 seconds later.    
The next video is from the camera in the east pool hall. This is the overhang on the south side of the clubhouse. It is not a door what you see at the end of that hall, what you see are the mailboxes. At 12:48 you can see a person walking from left to right under the overhang of the mailarea. I think thay may be Trayvon.  
Between the 22:14 and 22:50 mark you can see a person standing in front of that door shining his flashlight into the corridor.
It looks like the videos of the East Pool Hall and East Pool are reasonably in sync, East Pool hall is about 10 seconds later.    

The next video is from the video in the kitchen area. Beginning at 20:45 you can see the light of a flashlight approaching the window. Shortly after that you can see a person passing the window going from left to right. At 22:08 you see what I believe are the lights of a car.

You're not convinced this is Zimmerman moving around yet? The next frame in the most boring videos of them all, will at least show that this is not Trayvon.
At 22:33 in the video showing the front door, for one second you can see the reflection of a face in the top right corner of the door. I would describe that face as a light skinned man with shaved or short cropped hair and the man appears to have facial hair.

Now to the last video. This one is from the camera in the game room. The mail area would be to the right of the window. I can plug in some timelines from other sources with events in this video.

According to Trayvon's girlfriend and the telephone records, Trayon was near the mail area around 6:54 pm. If I match later events in the video with the known timeline, 6:54 would be between the 5 and 6 minute mark in this video. I didn't see Trayvon arriving during that period. There are several reasons why this is not shown in the video.
Like he told his girlfriend he was running to get out of the rain and he may have passed the window in the second it wasn't recording.
He was further away from the window.
He took the path behind the swimming pool.
Or I blinked at the wrong time at several occasions.

But lets assume he is there.

In the kitchen video we could see what appears to be car lights, after we see a person moving past the window.

In the game room video you can see the lights of a car between 20:39 and 20:54, first in the picture frame/mirror directly opposite the camera, then down onto Twin Trees. You don't see a car passing, so it appears the car stopped somewhere near the corner of Retreat View Circle and Twin Trees. I think this is when Zimmerman made his phone call to the police.  About a minute after the car seems to have stopped, you can see somebody moving passed the window towards the corner. This is at 21:43 in the game room video.
Eleven seconds later at 21:54 in the video, you can see somebody moving in the opposite direction passed the window. I think this is Trayvon.
At 22:09 you can see a car pass the window.

In real time, Zimmerman made his call at 7:09:34. At 7:10:56 he says "he is coming to check me out". At 7:11:17 you can hear the gear shift, right after he says "These assholes, they always get away".

The first officer arrived around 7:17pm followed within minutes by the second officer. You would expect traffic picking up around 29 minutes in the video. And that is exactly what happens.

If you listen to the 911 call and match that to what you have seen in the video, you can see that Zimmerman must have called immediately after he stopped the car. That means he did not spend anytime observing Trayvon at that time. Listen to how threatening Trayvon appears to Zimmerman, while in the video it appears that in those 11 seconds, Trayvon probably just got near the front of the car and then turned around to get away from Zimmerman.

     

Now when did Zimmerman arrive at the clubhouse? I suspect he followed Trayvon to the clubhouse. He appears ready and set to go to tell his story to the dispatcher, which leads me to belief he already had most of the information.
 Between the 14 and 15 minute mark, you can see what looks like the light of a flashlight reflected in the mirror/picture frame. That would indicate Zimmerman was walking around at that time.

My eyes are hurting, but if anybody wants to check the videos, here are the links of the videos I did not include.

West Pool
Lounge
Rear doors
West Pool hall

12:59 PM PT: We didn't have to wait long.

http://www.wftv.com/...


Originally posted to amsterdam on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:12 PM PDT.

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  •  Wow! (14+ / 0-)

    You did a lot of work on this...Thanks! :)

    "What would you think me if I were capable of seating myself at a table and gorging myself with food and saw about me the children of my fellow beings starving to death." - Eugene Victor Debs

    by DianeNYS on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 12:37:02 PM PDT

  •  Comprehensive, but shouldn't this kind of (2+ / 0-)
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    analysis be left to the prosecution in a courtroom?

    'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

    by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Thu Jun 21, 2012 at 12:38:36 PM PDT

  •  Anything Taafe said is bunk. He admitted on tv (9+ / 0-)

    a while back that he has never even spoke to Zimmerman since the shooting.  Anything he said was made up.

  •  I was watching Rio Bravo the other (3+ / 0-)

    day on TCM.

    John Wayne was talking about shooting unarmed men.  Even John Wayne thinks people should be presumed guilty when shooting someone that is unarmed.  Or at least his character in the script thought that way.

  •  Thanks for the diary and videos. Could you (5+ / 0-)

    possibly include a broader aerial view so we can see where the club house is in relation to where Trayvon's body was found?

    I have read Zimmerman's statement which was released today and after watching his video reenactment, I am unable to reconcile his statement with his enactment.

    Thank you in advance if you are able to include that.  If not, thanks anyway for the detailed information you have already provided.  

    •  Sure (5+ / 0-)

      Do you want me to mark the different locations?

      •  Wonderful! Thank you. (3+ / 0-)
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        And yes, marking the locations would be extra-fabulous.  

        •  I've added it as a new comment (1+ / 0-)
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          Otherwise the photo is truncated.

        •  Please let me know (1+ / 0-)
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          if you need additional information. I'm so steeped in the details of this case, that I sometimes give to much detail without painting the larger picture.

        •  This timeline may help (1+ / 0-)
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          6:54      Trayvon’s girlfriend calls him. He tells her he just ran for cover to the mail area.

          7:09:34 Connection time Zimmerman call

          7:10:32 Zimmerman says he is coming towards me

          7:10:56 Zimmerman says he is coming to check me out

          7:11:17 He starts driving

          7:11:40 Zimmerman says, shit he is running.

          7:11:43 The car door opens

          7:11:47 Car door closes and Zimmerman starts running after Trayvon
          6:12      Call with girlfriend gets disconnected. She calls him right back
          7:12:14 Zimmerman stops running.

          7:13:45 Call ends

          7:15:30 (approx) Verbal confrontation begins.
          7:16      call with girlfriend gets disconnected
          7:16:51 Trayvon is shot.
          7:17:40 Officer Smith arrives.
          7:19      Somebody takes the picture of Zimmerman’s head
          7:30      Trayvon is pronounced dead  

          •  Question.... (1+ / 0-)
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            7:13:45 call ends...whose call, Zimmerman's to the police dispatcher?
            Also Trayvon had been talking with his girlfriend and the call was disconnected at approx. 7:12.  She calls him right back.  Presumably they continue to speak. There is a verbal confrontation with Zimmerman (with the girlfriend hearing some of it), then her phone gets disconnected at approx. 7:16.  Then Trayvon is shot at 7:16:51.  Trayvon couldn't have wrestled with Zimmerman while on the phone, and the call was disconnected for less than a minute before Trayvon was shot. This timing doesn't make sense according to Zimmerman's story.  There Isn't enough time in those 51 seconds for all that Zimmerman claims.
            Also, at 7:19 someone takes pics of Zimmerman's head.  Trayvon has been shot 2 minutes before and all someone could think of doing was to take pics of Zimmerman's head?
            This case stinks.

            I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

            by Lilyvt on Tue Jun 26, 2012 at 09:40:53 PM PDT

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  •  Retreat at Twin Lakes (3+ / 0-)
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    Photobucket

    T in upper left corner - where Zimmerman claims he first saw Trayvon
    Z in lower left corner - Zimmerman's house
    RV - Retreat View Circle
    C - Clubhouse
    M - Mail area
    FE - Front Entrance
    Blue x - Where Zimmerman was parked according to the surveillance video when he called the police
    TT - Twin Trees
    Black x - Where Zimmerman claims his car was parked and Trayvon was circling his car.
    Red x - where Trayvon's body was found
    TH - Trayvon's house

    Forgot to mark the back entrance. It is right below the TH.

  •  Okay, I really do have more questions than (2+ / 0-)
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    answers...My apologies for that.

    GZ claims he was looking for a street sign in order to give the dispatcher an address.  He claims that because he was BEHIND the homes, he had to walk all the way through to the other side to get the name of the street.  Is there any way to determine where the street signs are from this aerial view?  

    Black X (Where Zimmerman claims his car was parked and Trayvon was circling his car) - That appears to be on a main street (Twin Trees?) where the houses are facing Zimmerman.  So why could he not give an address?  He would only be behind the houses if he walks through the crossway.  Am I correct?

    •  Yes you are correct (1+ / 0-)
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      That is Twin Trees and those are the front of the houses.
      He needed a reason to explain why he ended up at the spot where Trayvon was killed other than that he was following him.

      I expected that he had told a bunch of lies. I didn't expect them to be this bad.

  •  Red X - Where Trayvon's body was found (2+ / 0-)
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    During Zimmerman's reenactment, he says Trayvon is on top of him, bangs his head on the concrete walkway, and then uses both hands to cover his mouth and nose.  He then shoots Trayvon, squirms out from underneath him, and somehow ends up on Trayvon's back where he spreads out his hands and restrains him.  (This is disturbing on its own because you must assume Trayvon did not die instantly; otherwise, why would Zimmerman feel he still needed to be restrained?)  

    On youtube, there is video of Tracy Martin (Trayvon's father) walking through the crime scene.  He says the police told him they found Trayvon lying face down with his head towards the back of the townhouses and his feet on the sidewalk.

    In Zimmerman's scenario, Trayvon's head should end up on or near the concrete and his feet should be in the grass facing the townhouses.  Completely opposite of where they were.

    •  Exactly (1+ / 0-)
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      Here is a photo of the crime scene with Trayvon's body in it. His head is towards the building.

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      Zimmerman describes the altercation as taking place before the tree.

      I am watching this video

      He signs a statement with his left hand. The direction of the projectile was directly from front to back just below the left nipple. No angle what so ever.
      He is toast.

      •  I just don't understand how they get that far (2+ / 0-)
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        down the crossway if GZ is knocked down from a single punch on the crosswalk.

        It is more likely GZ was following him down that crossway and was not on the other crosswalk heading towards his car.  It is more likely GZ did not go through there looking for a street sign.

        •  Zimmerman was going after (1+ / 0-)
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          Trayvon. In his mind he was playing cops and robbers. I think he was probably trying to "arrest" him.  

        •  what we know is where the objects were found (0+ / 0-)

          And the only thing we can tie to TM that is even remotely up by the T is the tan bag, some 30 feet south of the T.  

          GZ's keychain flashlight is 8 feet south of the T.  

          GZ says he was past the T on the cut thru heading towards his vehicle but I pretty much assume he's lying here, too.  

          He's likely trying to obscure the fact that he turned south onto the path leading south (his keys are there) when something happened.  

          Don't try to figure out what happened.  There's no way to know.  Figure out all the things GZ says that COULDN'T have happened first.  

      •  no offense but that's his shoe nearest the bldg (0+ / 0-)

        it's got reflective tape on it and is peeking out from the yelow tarp.

        I don't know which ways GZ moved the fatally wounded unarmed teen, or what the emergency responders did to flip the body from likely face down to face up, but we do know that the witness who took the bloody head photo told police he took two pictures of the body with his iPhone.  

        I think the lies GZ tells are so numerous it's hard to know when he is actually on occasion telling the truth.  

        And to be honest I'm not following the gunshot stuff closely, but that's his shoe there...  

        carry on.  

    •  Bullets don't instantly kill people. (1+ / 0-)
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      Even someone with a bullet through the heart can be conscious for up to minute.

      The only time people drop like a ragdoll is when they take a bullet to the brain.

  •  I must say, I do hope that is not the only (2+ / 0-)
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    reenactment the police have.  That was certainly a shoddy piece of investigation.  As GZ was going through it, it raised a thousand questions in my mind but the investigators seemed curiously incurious.

    When Zimmerman is on the crosswalk returning to his car, he claims Trayvon approaches him, verbally confronts him and then punches him, breaking his nose and knocking him to the ground.  He then claims that after knocking him to the ground, Trayvon gets on top of him and continues the assault.  But he fails to explain how they get from the crosswalk down into the crossway area which runs behind the townhouses.  

    He seems to notice this discrepancy when he is doing the reenactment because he suddenly tries to fill in the spaces.  He says something to the effect of, "I must have stumbled along and I was probably trying to push him away from me."  But his first rendition and his written statement do not reconcile this discrepancy.

    •  That's not the purpose. (0+ / 0-)

      The purpose here is for the cops to give him enough rope to hang himself.  They want to ALWAYS appear to believe him and put him at ease but keep him talking.  

      BTW, never talk to a cop if you have been arrested.  Not one word without your lawyer, innocent or guilty.  The fact that GZ studied law enforcement to ANY degree and doesn't know that brands him a complete fool.  

      At every juncture they are just making sure he establishes a record of how he says things happened.  Now he's got to defend ALL these statements, even the contradictory ones in a court of law.  He's a terrible liar... his goose is totally cooked six ways to sunday as far as his credibility is concerned.  The state still has to prove their case against him but they don't have to worry about the jury believing he is an honest person, at this point.  

       

  •  Zimmerman (3+ / 0-)
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    several times during the audio interviews makes the point that his flashlight didn't work. It was "dead" ad Zimmerman put it. Serino corrected him at least once on that, telling him a pat on the side got his flashlight to work, like many flashlights.

  •  I'm sorry OT (3+ / 0-)

    Who was the architect that thought that clubhouse would look good ever?

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 02:05:37 PM PDT

  •  A strong automatic response is to bite (2+ / 0-)
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    when someone is smothering you, this reflex is not easily over-rode because one will do anything for breath if the only thing beteween you and breath is a hand covering your mouth. Teeth are much stronger/deadly than an hand covering your mouth. Trayvon does not have bite marks........ and this would have been the only force needed to get his hand of his mouth. GZ is lying.

    •  According to Zimmerman (3+ / 0-)

      Trayvon was straddling him, had one hand over his mouth the other hand over his nose and at the same time was banging his head on the sidewalk that was a couple of feet away from the spot where Trayvon was shot. While Zimmerman was getting smothered he managed to scream continuously for 50 seconds. While Trayvon was doing all this he saw Zimmerman's gun, which was in a holster on his hip under his jacket. While all that was taking place, without ever ceasing his cries for help, Zimmerman was able to get his gun out of the holster on his hip, and shoot Trayvon.

      Zimmerman is a liar. Luckily he is not very smart one.

    •  good call! (2+ / 0-)
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      clear thinking!

      i myself just get overwhelmed and clouded by all the details of time and location.  it becomes just enough for me to simply hear in his voice he is lying.  he is soooo lying.

      Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounding yourself with a-holes - William Gibson. (-9.75 / -9.05)

      by doesnotworkorplaywellwithothers on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 08:29:12 PM PDT

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  •  glad this is back. (3+ / 0-)

    looking forward to watching all this carefully.  

    The location where GZ parks to make the call is the important part since he tells investigators something different.  

    Who here thinks the proof of that is solid enough to take to trial?  

  •  Alternate View of East Pool Video (2+ / 0-)
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    You may have already been pointed our way, but on bcclist.com a sharp sleuth has interpreted the East Pool video differently.

    He sees tail lights moving away from the camera and down TTL starting at about 22:48.  (I have to agree.)

    The vehicle moves down the street, then u-turns back towards the camera.  

    Timing, based on the appearance of the first emergency vehicle, Officer Smith, puts this u-turning vehicle at 7:08.  Or just before GZ's call to the SPD.

    Interested in your take.

    •  A lot of things are happening (1+ / 0-)
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      In those minutes. I'm working on creating a timeline for the other video's. Sometimes you can only see what really is going on, is to compare it with another video at the same time. I'm using Smith's arrival too, since that is the only reliable point of reference.
      I"ll definitely take a look at it.

    •  Do you have a link to te actual post? nt (1+ / 0-)
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    •  East POOL Video (0+ / 0-)

      My apologies.  I referred you to the wrong video.

      It's the EAST POOL video where the tail lights and subsequent u-turn can be watched.  Starts at about the 22:48 point.

      You can see what I believe is the reflection of the taillights on the wet pavement as the vehicle moves away.  

      •  Can you look (0+ / 0-)

        at 19:09 and 19:39 and tell me if you see the same kind of lichts as in 22:48?

        And if you look in this picture does that match your per perception of what you see in the video?

        I just want to make sure if we are talking about the same kind of lights here.

        Photobucket

        •  Tail Lights (0+ / 0-)

          I do!

          I see tail lights in the 19:09.

          I see a car turn away in the 19:38.

          The 22:48 vehicle is moving slower as you can follow the lights as it drives away.  After it makes the u-turn the headlights blaze up the upper left hand area.

          I'll pass this on to tchoupi to see what he sees.

          •  I don't think they are tail lights (0+ / 0-)

            The moving red is just behind the hedge. I think the pool and pool hall video are reasonably in synch. So you see something red moving between 19:09 and 19:39. If you watch closely you can see intermittent light beams south of the moving red. The red moves in the direction of the mail area. At 22:14 you can see a person standing in the opening in the east pool hall video, no flashlight. Person moves back in the direction of the pool. At 22:33 you can see the flaslight in the pool hall, at 22:46 you can see the flashlight again. This time the beam seems to originate closer to the pool. Around 22:30 you can see the light in the top left corner growing. Those are car lights. I think the red is someone moving between the pool and the mail area, while searching with a flashlight.

            •  Passing Cars Logged On Site (0+ / 0-)

              tchoupie has posted a log of all the cars passing by the clubhouse shown on the videos.

              http://imgur.com/...

              There is also a depiction of each video camera's coverage.

              Interesting stuff.  

              •  He has done a very (0+ / 0-)

                good job. I don't agree with all the correlations. If the lights at 19:09 and 19:39 are car lights from cars on ttl going towards the east gate, there should be correlating lights in the game room, and there aren't any. I think the game room video is not in synch. In the nen call, you can hear Zimmerman putting his car in gear at 7:11:17 he followed Trayvon for 23 seconds. That is when he says shit he's running, and he gets out of his car. Smith reports he has arrived on scene at 7:17:40 and according to the police report, he goes to RV not to TTL.
                So we should have a light event, somewhere around ttl, followed about 5:30 min later with a car entering the north gate and going on RV towards the east gate.

                •  Note From tchoupi (0+ / 0-)

                  tchoupi posted some more notes about the 19:03 and 19:32 lights on bcc.list.

                  Included another detailed description of what he believes is GZ delaying by the mailbox, then slowly driving down TTL.  

                  You do notice the lights after the u-turn, yes?

                  The timing of the NEN call jibes really well with GZ sitting on TTL facing west, towards Trayvon at the mailbox.  The gear selection might be GZ putting his transmission in PARK or just banging a flashlight around.

  •  rumor has it prosecution released more discovery (2+ / 0-)
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    today tue 26 JUN at 1:00 but I've not seen it on the 'net yet.  Wondering if anyone has a link.  Might be a false rumor.  

    •  link below to Sanford police summaries (2+ / 0-)
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      http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/...

      Looks like about 29 pages from the initial investigation, and the conclusion speaks about GZ's multiple chances to diffuse the situation that he missed.  

      It's a weak case for manslaughter the way they are summing it up here, but the current investigation has more witnesses and a longer time to parse the inconsistencies and examine additional evidence - the clubhouse video included - and they've come to the conclusion that it was murder in the second degree.  

      I've not read it all, however.  Just wanted to pass on the link.

      the msnbc story that contains the link to the pdf is here
      http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/...

      •  There is a hand drawn path on a map (2+ / 0-)
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        amsterdam, Tonedevil

        Which I think may be drawn by GZ while he was being questioned by SIngleton, the female investigator.  

        Looks like there is a path from the 1400 block of RVC leading past the clubhouse and to a FIRST circle at the first bend in TTL.  Then there is a second circle at the Frank Taaffe position of parking "by the cut thru."  

        If this is GZ's idea of where he was, it's not in agreement with his later video taped walk thru "re-enactment."  

        And it validates about two months worth of speculation on a lot of people's part - GZ watched TM from TTL, not the north of the clubhouse.  That's the false narrative.  

        Unfortunatey there is not an inventory with this document dump...  nor is there seemingly a signature on the hand drawn lines on this zeroxed map.  

        But what's here is VERY VERY interesting in the light of what's strongly suggested as a position for what's described in the recorded call - this hand drawn map makes sense and GZ's story at the walk thru doesn't.  

        I'm on the verge of feeling quite validated in saying that GZ did a slow motion chase of TM in his car down TTL and that's why TM ran.  And GZ lies about it later.  

        •  I have no doubt that (2+ / 0-)
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          He followed him in his car down ttl. You can hear the gear at 1:43 in the call.

          •  AND HERE IT IS (1+ / 0-)
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            The female detective states GZ moved from the clubhouse - the dark area on the map are highlighter pen, I think - and then STOPPED AT THE FIRST CURVE where TM circles the car - and then there is another circle at the FT position by the cut thru.

            GZ is contradicting himself at the video walk thru, moving the circling action to a "doubling back" by TM so as to obscure the slow motion car to pedestrian chase.  
            The paperwork to go with the hand drawn lines on the map is here..... just after the map.  

            I KNEW IT.  100% validation for what I've been arguing for months now, and what may be visible in these clubhouse videos.  

            GZ pushed a false narrative about how he traveled from the clubhouse to the T.   But he told one version early on that seems consistent with his stalking TM in his car, and later contradicts himself.

            He's not mistaken.  He didn't "forget."  He's lying to investigators in the video walk thru, to create the impression he didn't stalk the kid when it's clear he did.  TM ran away and GZ got out of his car and chased after him with a loaded weapon, and he's lying about that.

            •  this is the key exchange: (0+ / 0-)

              Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
              Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse…
              Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?
              Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
              1:03  (7:10:37 EST)
              Dispatcher: OK.
              Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband.

              In the video "reenactment" (re-imagining, more like) GZ claims this action takes place as his car is parked at the final position by the cut thru, and he's describing TM doubling back to circle his car.  

              Yet a short time later, back at the station, he's played the actual recorded call tape and as this passage comes up, he claims repeatedly that this action took place as he was parked by the clubhouse parking lot.  

              He can't have it both ways, and what he's trying to hide is how the two traveled from the clubhouse to the T - in a slow motion car-to-pedestrian chase.  

              here is a link to a lot of pictures and maps, GZ's own included, with notes illustrating this to the point of redundancy.  Sorry for the length.

              http://www.flickr.com/...

              If you view as a "slideshow" be sure to check the button top right to see the accompanying notes.  

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