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Glenn W. Smith writes:
As they stand today, the world’s governments are incapable of addressing the global climate crisis in time to moderate the coming catastrophe. That is just an unhappy fact. [...]

In his brilliant and thought-provoking new book, 2312, Kim Stanley Robinson refers to this era proceeding global environmental collapse as “The Dithering.” No kidding. Which brings me back to the key phrase in the opening paragraph above: “as they stand today.”

In the past, most of the world’s environmental activists have aimed at shaping the policies of governments as they exist. Successes have been incremental. But if status quo governments can’t get the job done, it means the actions must be focused elsewhere. They have to focus on dramatic changes in representative governments still open to such change.

If the paralysis is due to corporate control of government, then that control must be erased or diminished. In the U.S., that would mean a constitutional amendment ending the bizarre dystopian concept of corporate personhood. It would also mean radical and fundamental reform of political practices—full public finance of elections, for example.

Unless these and other changes are made, there is little hope of addressing climate change until long after it is too late. We are asking a machine to do a job it can’t do. We may as well ask a lawnmower to build a house.

There is a growing global environmental movement that recognizes these barriers to change. It skews younger, to the generation that will write the first histories of this crisis, a generation that’s not going to treat baby boomer leadership with anything but contempt.

That movement—and the legacy environmental groups—should strongly consider turning their focus on the reform of governments we need to act. We can’t stop agitating on critical environmental issues, but we need to recognize that right now we’re not doing much but dropping index cards in a corporate suggestion box. About the only environmental gain from that is that the corporations might be recycling the unread index cards.

Blast from the Past. At Daily Kos on this date in 2009:

Earlier today, Mark Sanford told The State he went to Argentina about 18 months ago on a taxpayer-funded Commerce Department trip.
Sanford, in a brief interview in the nation's busiest airport, said he has been to the city twice before, most recently about a year and half ago during a Commerce Department trip.
So he had an affair with a woman from Argentina, and he recently visited there on the taxpayer dime.

According to Sanford's travel reports, he spent $21,488 on a trip to Brazil, Argentina, and China. However much of that can be allocated to his trip to Argentina, it still means taxpayers likely spent thousands on his affair.

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  •  Question about the impending health care ruling... (5+ / 0-)
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    Eddie C, JeffW, kerflooey, palantir, Jeff Y

    Prior to hearing oral arguments on the mandate and severability, SCOTUS had requested arguments on whether the claim was yet "ripe for adjudication," even though neither side had raised the issue.

    If the justices were to have found that the claim wasn't yet "ripe," is that necessarily something that would've been announced already?

  •  412,824 registered users on dKos now. (10+ / 0-)

    Here are the 10 newest registered users on dKos. Hope to see their comments and diaries here soon!  (If they're not all spammers.)


    And since our society is obsessed with numbers that end in a lot of zeros as milestones, here's a special shoutout to users:
    #411,700: romeklemmens717
    #411,800: smfuller34 (spammer)
    #411,900: CrummittDelphia8
    #412,000: timo56vang38
    #412,100: Progressive Cat
    #412,200: yzfdtcn51 (spammer)
    #412,300: heerot579
    #412,400: nigelrogers24 (spammer)
    #412,500: reedbowen23
    #412,600: abelkappel25
    #412,700: michaelsarge4z0
    #412,800: damonkaplan410

    We've added a whopping 1,179 more users in just the last 24 hours.  This is a continuation going back to May where we've been absolutely flooded with new users.  I'm pretty sure almost all of these new users are spammers or bots.  Notice how they all have a number at the end.  And the rate is getting faster, people.  What are they planning?

    And for your Diary Rescue music pleasure, here's the Oak Ridge Boys' "Elvira" from 1981.

  •  No. Hate to say it. (2+ / 0-)
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    ***Be Excellent To One Another***

    by potatohead on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:31:07 PM PDT

    •  ...unless! (3+ / 0-)
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      palantir, high uintas, 714day

      They band together with a lot of other people on the common ground idea of reforming corporate owned government.

      At some point, priorities need to be established.

      I submit that people being more important than money --or put another way, people valued properly, is one unifying common ground idea that many diverse groups can get into and work together on.

      LGBT, Environment, Education, Small Business, Various Social causes, Unions, etc...

      Right now, we are seeing the impact of the dollars.  I'm worried, and I'm not going to lie or sugar coat it.  

      Those dollars behind mind numbing messaging can do a lot of damage.  Those dollars can buy draconian legislation.  Those dollars can literally snuff out votes.

      Our only checks?

      Extreme unstable behavior.  Protests, violence, etc...  

      Votes and solidarity as people --as Americans with enough self-respect to put basic priorities; namely, ourselves and our kids and families in order.

      No one movement is going to crack this nut.  

      ***Be Excellent To One Another***

      by potatohead on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:35:24 PM PDT

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      •  Solidarity is an upstream swim (2+ / 0-)
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        It's viewed as an absolute negative by what appears to be a majority of the American population.  The triumph of the ideology of "rugged individualism" (i.e., chosen, voluntary  powerlessness) is complete.  The whole thing of any sense of the social at all has to rebuilt from the very bottom layers up, and that is a multi-generational task, made even more difficult in modern times with the ability of corporate--government to use electronic media to program the minds and responses of a vast majority of the public.  

        It took the Second International better than 30 years to build the equivalent of what we need, under much more favorable circumstances than prevail today.  (Of course, having reached a widespread state of solidarity among workers, the leaders of most of the Second International parties then threw away their 30 years of struggle by voting for entering what became the First World War.)

        The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges. ~ Anatole France

        by ActivistGuy on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:22:22 PM PDT

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        •  Yea WTF was up with that? (0+ / 0-)

          Reading Chris Harman's People's History of the World and I couldn't for the life of me figure out how people were nationalist enough to care about fighting a war on that scale. This wasn't just the King leading his unwilling masses off to war. How the hell did people with that much class consciousness get swept up in the craze? Did they simply think they wouldn't survive the nationalist onslaught of they didn't play along?

          •  Necessity is the Mother of invention (0+ / 0-)

            so too it shall pass the necessity will be the Mother of reinvention.  When the country tears apart, and heath care completely collapses, the social safety net will come roaring back.  

  •  So HBO tonight... (9+ / 0-)

    premiered The Newsroom.  It.  Was.  Awesome.

    Hopefully they'll put up Will McAvoy's complete "meltdown" speech on YouTube, because it's worth watching in full.

  •  Did you see "The Newsroom" tonight? (7+ / 0-)

    Just a great and inspirational program, real feel good fiction.  

    It could be a good sign, Aaron Sorkin back in our living rooms.

  •  Argo (4+ / 0-)

    There's going to be a movie about the mission to rescue some diplomats during the Iranian hostage crisis.  Looks good.

    Oh, and Sean Penn will play Mickey Cohen in Gangster Squad, about the rise of the mob in Los Angeles.

  •  Sad environmental news... (21+ / 0-)

    Famed Galapagos tortoise dies

    Ecuadorean officials say that the famed Galapagos giant tortoise Lonesome George has died.

    The Galapagos National Park says in a statement that the tortoise estimated to be about 100 years old died Sunday.

    He was believed to be the last living member of the Geochelone abigdoni species and had become a symbol of the islands that helped inspire Charles Darwin's ideas on evolution.

  •  Which Soiree should Rich & twisted elites attend? (6+ / 0-)

    Romney's Soiree at the Olympic Park in in Utah,or the Koch Brothers Soiree in the Park Hyatt Aviara Resort in Carlsbad California?  

    Koch brothers hope to raise even more funds at secretive right-wing gathering

    Their controversial role is heightened by the increasingly activist stance they have taken in recent years. They have a stated desire – expressed openly to their inner circle – to bend the political process to their individual will.

    "They're our major investors," ~ Romney aide on Mitt's big donors gathered in Utah

    "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

    by Lefty Coaster on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:38:18 PM PDT

  •  This is Just Sick, Negligent Madness. Science (6+ / 0-)

    in attempting to mobilize government is striving to sail a clipper ship into orbit. It's that level of insanity.

    You're talking about a revolution in governance more dramatic than the American War of Secession and its meandering thru the Articles of Confederation to the Constitution, and then another century and a half in the desert till government finally was granted almost enough power to civilize our nation during the New Deal - Great Society Anomaly.

    But we have to surpass that scale of revolution before we have the type of government with the practical power to even consider addressing climate change appropriately.

    How many millennia does climate science say we have to spare for postponing climate to first invent, implement and debug a system of government?

    Response to climate change is an issue that must be put before that portion of global ownership not fundamentally wedded to dirty energy. Only ownership can act appropriately on the core problem, only ownership can empower governments to act.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:44:23 PM PDT

    •  Our "representatives" can't be bothered with (2+ / 0-)
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      distractions like climate change. They are too preoccupied with stuffing their own pockets on the inside track to worry about the general welfare of the people, let alone their supposed right to life, liberty, and happiness. This pernicious  diddling guarantees death, subservience, and misery.

    •  And what does it matter? (1+ / 0-)
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      Let's get more dramatic than that: imagine that the entire United States could disappear in one fell swoop.

      Gone.gone. Except for the buildings and the trees and non-domesticated animals.

      Given the rate at which CO2 emissions by emerging economies (especially China) are increasing, that might buy 5 years.
      And it might not.

      The problem with global warming is that it's, well, global.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 01:51:52 AM PDT

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  •  Still plugging the new ad--and it's gonna (6+ / 0-)

    get worse.

    If you think it's good, share it around.

    Fair's fair. I don't vote in your church; don't go preaching in my government New video: "Plans"

    by Crashing Vor on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:50:55 PM PDT

  •  Arron Sorkin's The Newsroom is on HBO now (2+ / 0-)
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    did a quick diary of appreciation.

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:53:12 PM PDT

  •  A&E (3+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, JeffW, jan4insight

    I'm launching a new reality show called: Flip Off This Network."

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:54:08 PM PDT

    •  Also… (0+ / 0-)

      Flip This House is not remotely new. It came out several years ago (probably '05), created by Charleston, SC, real estate developer Richard Davis. They specialized in flipping houses (hence the name), doing the impossible in one or two weeks. It was particularly memorable to me as my son-in-law, also from SC, talks just like Davis—in fact, they're dead ringers—and both even went to Clemson during the same time frame.

      There was some controversy after the first season when A&E dropped the Charleston location (and characters) and moved the concept to Atlanta. Later they moved it to Texas. Lawsuits ensued and Davis apparently won a few million.

      Otherwise, I second your sentiment, as "reality" shows have become the bane of cable television, so far as I'm concerned.

  •  MB, thanks for keeping climate change on the front (8+ / 0-)

    page. At this point, it looks like all else is, indeed, dithering.

    The elders say we must let go of the shore, push off into the middle of
the river, keep our eyes open, and our heads above the water.
See who is in there with you and celebrate. (Hopi)

    by DawnN on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 08:58:44 PM PDT

    •  Todays Los Angeles Times front page. (7+ / 0-)
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      In North Carolina, a fight over sea levels and science

      RALEIGH, N.C. — When scientists at a state commission predicted that North Carolina's sea levels could rise 39 inches by 2100, coastal business and development leaders weren't alarmed at the prospect of flooding. They were outraged by the report itself.


      The bill has triggered lively debate on social media, websites and the letters page of the News & Observer. The paper's editorial board called the bill "a burst of legislative folly."

      One letter, titled "Sea-Level Fiction," said the bill "reveals just how far the climate change-deniers and their anti-environmental, science-hating minions have penetrated" state government. Another, from an environmental technology professor at North Carolina State University, said: "We are the laughingstock of the nation."

      In a recent full-page newspaper ad titled "The N.C. General Assembly wants to ignore science," the Southern Environmental Law Center said the sea level bill would "set a dangerous precedent of politicians telling scientists what data they may and may not use."

      Always good to the environment making the front page!
  •  "Fox News Reporter Hired as Vatican Media Adviser" (5+ / 0-)

    Somehow it seems to fit.  The Roman Catholic hierarchy and Fox news seem to have a lot in common.  I hadn't thought about it until I read that headline.  If I'd thought about it before it happened, I would have been embarrassed to predict it.

    We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

    by david78209 on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:01:04 PM PDT

  •  The Dithering? (3+ / 0-)
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    Sounds like the US Senate in full session.

    Sometimes . . . I feel . . . like a redneck with chopsticks . . . Dreaming of squirrel while I'm sucking down squid . . .

    by Pale Jenova on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:02:03 PM PDT

  •  Praying. (1+ / 0-)
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    Lifetime caps.  Maybe again, tomorrow.

    So wrong in this richest of all countries.

  •  When I look at all the inovative things done by... (4+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, rbird, OLinda, ozsea1

    ...FDR to deal with the great depression and WWII I have to believe that our government can be dynamic enough to deal with global warming.

    Henceforth I ask not good fortune. I myself am good fortune. Walt Whitman

    by Sacramento Dem on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:24:13 PM PDT

    •  Except that our government can't solve the (0+ / 0-)

      problem.  We can deal with our contribution, but even a complete elimination of US greenhouse gas emissions would buy only  a few years' time.

      Rapid growth in other parts of the world -- primarily China -- would cancel out our transformation.

      At the most recent recorded growth rates, Chinese emissions should double those of the US in the next 2-3 years.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 02:17:50 AM PDT

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  •  I've read the reports that California by the (5+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, Thinking Fella, annieli, 714day, OLinda

    middle of this century will be horrendously hot. What the hell, say the powers that be, we won't be around.

    And besides we have air conditioning and can go to the coast if need be.

    I was seeing what Adam had seen on the morning of his creation - the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence. --The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley

    by Wildthumb on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 09:25:53 PM PDT

  •  Many American's are "Going Down The Road ... (1+ / 0-)
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    Feeling Bad"  A traditional American song from Delaney and Bonnie. This song has been recorded by many people from Woody Guthrie to the Grateful Dead.

  •  Last member of Galapagos tortoise species dies (4+ / 0-)
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    Lonesome George, the last remaining tortoise of his kind and a conservation icon, has died of unknown causes, Galápagos National Park authorities have said. He was believed to be about 100 years old.

    Lonesome George was found in 1972 and had become a symbol of Ecuador's Galápagos Islands, which attracted approximately 180,000 visitors last year.

    "This morning the park ranger in charge of looking after the tortoises found Lonesome George. His body was motionless," the head of the Galápagos National Park, Edwin Naula, said on Sunday. "His life cycle came to an end."

    George was the last member of a species of giant tortoise from La Pinta, one of the smallest islands in the Galápagos.

    Source ~ The Guardian
  •  environmental grps are wasting time and money (2+ / 0-)
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    WheninRome, ozsea1

    from well-meaning supporters because they allow the giant coordinated corporate megaphone known as RW talk radio scream over them, and all the work they do.

    it's stupid, fucked up, and there is still NO organized opposition for the right's best weapon.

    just take the liberal university of co. situated in a town full of climate scientists (NOAA - National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), in a liberal town, boulder.

    the uni broadcasts sports on 850 KOA, the giant CO limbaugh station, which does global warming denial 24/7 ("KOA, home of the buffs and rush limbaugh!"). totally fucked up.

    there are forest fires all over the place. CU needs to immediately pull sports from that station.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 10:06:49 PM PDT

    •  Conservations group do not "allow" this to happen (5+ / 0-)

      Rough translation of your claim: Environmental groups.. "allow" the giant..corporate megaphone known as RW talk radio to scream over them.

      Yes, it happens that the vast RW radio screams over them, but I don't think that the environmental groups allow it to happen. They want to do the right things to protect the environment, and they are used to protectors of the status quo trying to shut them up and trying to marginalize them, but they don't "let" RW radio scream over them. That's the last thing they would do, that's anathema to their ethos. Maybe they don't have as big a megaphone or as much money as the corporate troll RW media scumbags, but it is not for want of trying on their part when it happens.

      "11 dimensional chess" is a clever form of using magical thinking to obfuscate the obvious.

      by Zinman on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 10:30:00 PM PDT

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      •  Correction: "Conservation groups", etc, typo.. n/t (0+ / 0-)

        "11 dimensional chess" is a clever form of using magical thinking to obfuscate the obvious.

        by Zinman on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 10:33:54 PM PDT

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      •  That reminds me of my brother who scolded me (4+ / 0-)
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        for letting my hair go grey. Yes I "allowed it to happen" just because I continue to exist and get older.

        Environmental groups and climate scientists "allow Rush Limbaugh to broadcast" just by their continued existence in the same world.

        If only it were that simple.

        ❧To thine ownself be true

        by Agathena on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:48:43 PM PDT

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        •  The freedom of speech is (1+ / 0-)
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          one thing, the propagandized takeover of the airways is another.

        •  If you just stopped time Agathena!!!!! (1+ / 0-)
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          You would not go gray! It's your fault!

          (So I'm also going to blame these small lines forming at my eyes on you, since, had you timely stopped time, they would not have the audacity to form...)

          © grover

          So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

          by grover on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 03:19:12 AM PDT

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        •  see my post above, please, about the guy on the (0+ / 0-)


          the right have soapboxes on every corner and stump in the country and the left walks by with their iPods in their ears.

          the left ignores them for two reasons- there is a general ignorance of how effective RW radio has been kicking the left's ass and how important it is to the right, and because it is distasteful to listen to.

          it gets a free speech free ride.

          This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

          by certainot on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 05:22:39 AM PDT

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      •  one blowhard with a mic can undo work of 1000s of (0+ / 0-)

        volunteers and activists. it's bullshit that so many have no idea how useless their money and time is because the left in general ignores talk radio- i think generally because it gives them a headache to listen to it and believe the right's BS about a monopoly of public airwaves by a coordinated pack of liars being an expression of free speech and 'market forces'.

        RW radio gets a free speech free ride.

        if i guy gets up on the corner opposite your house and screams all day that you're a  thief and you walk by him every day and with your earphones on listening to music, eventually your neighbors are going to believe him, or you're going to have to spend a lot of time and effort defending yourself. that's exactly what's happening  with the left and talk radio- and they've got a blowhard on every corner and stump in the country.

        most environmentalists and liberal political activists i've known have had no clue how effective RW radio has been for their activism, short and long-term..

        This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

        by certainot on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 05:15:44 AM PDT

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    •  Well the kids still get it (1+ / 0-)
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      it has always been up to the kids.  

  •  For there to be reform within a system (3+ / 0-)
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    the system must be willoing to accept reform.  But isn't that just what our "pragmatic centrist" friends keep telling us cannot be done?  That  only the tiniest, most incremental if even that, reforms are admitted even for discussion, and only advance when they first, foremost, and usually only  empower and enrich the already rich and powerful.  That in the usual Thatcherite slogan, "There. is. no. alternative." to what we have now, except more, bigger and faster of the same.

    Those who have benefited the most from the system as it was have decided they can maximize their rate of return by deliberately  engineering a general system failure of the system that enriched them in the first place.

    I see no reason to change my metaphor, we the 99% are merely tenants in the house owned by the 1%, so when those landlords come through, ripping out the copper wire and pipe to sell for scrap, what else can we do but stand there our mouths agape in awed amazement.  After all, they own the house, we just live here.

    The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges. ~ Anatole France

    by ActivistGuy on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:09:26 PM PDT

    •  I don't tend to believe... (1+ / 0-)
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      they think that collectively. I think a significant portion of the blood sucking elite think they're helping everyone. That they're necessary, whether everyone realizes it or not.

      There's no question they engage in a lot of self-justified sociopathic behavior, but I'd argue that exists at every level of the economy and that it's simply a question of scale.

      I think lots of folks could be Jamie Dimon, if they pulled the right levers and had the right kind of luck. The dude is just ignorantly doing what ya do under a Capitalist form of government: try to win.

  •  The Age of Squander is how I've thought of it (3+ / 0-)
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    for a long time now.

    "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

    by Lefty Coaster on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:13:33 PM PDT

    •  I can't sleep (1+ / 0-)
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      and I despise fb and a good portion of my list.  I am sick with worry over ACA.

      •  You despise a portion of what list? Your FB (0+ / 0-)


        Sounds like a good time to clean house.

        Heh, I'm probably one of them.

        I deserve it. Go clean house. You'll feel better. I always do. Eceryone does. There's no reason to have people in your life that you dislike. At the very least, block them.

        If you're speaking of another list, ignore me.
        I hope you feel better soon.


        © grover

        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 03:26:02 AM PDT

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      •  Btw, I love your user name. (1+ / 0-)
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        Blue Icee

        I love "blue" flavor, like blue icees, or blue otter pops. Louie -Bloo Raspberry. My favorite!

        © grover

        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 03:29:26 AM PDT

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    •  And next comes (3+ / 0-)
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      The Age of Squalor.  See those people outside Manila, picking over the landfills?  That's our grandchildren.  If we're lucky.

      Preach it, Anatole:

      The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping under bridges. ~ Anatole France

      by ActivistGuy on Sun Jun 24, 2012 at 11:35:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  I'd forgotten about Sanford's journey. (3+ / 0-)
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    OLinda, ozsea1, 2020adam

    The recollection makes me smile.
    I needed it after the  cold reminder of our government's total lack of effort in contending with the disasters guaranteed to come as a result of climate change denial. Even those who kind of get it, like Obama, just play the game as if they and their own children aren't in the crapper, too.
    I'll be damned if I can figure out what will lift the fog from their bubble world.
    On the other hand, for a long while I've realized that the best we can hope for at this place beyond the tipping is that the coming generations can figure out a plan for the survival of the most.
    Now I need another smile.

    •  I don't see any evidence that the President... (1+ / 0-)
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      "gets" any of this. The planet is on fire. If he got that, I have to imagine he'd be doing something to protect his girls (and me, and my wife, and my family, and the rest of the Country and Planet...)

      Instead he skipped Rio+20

      An election year dontcha kno. No time for saving the planet.

  •  Poor Framing! (1+ / 0-)
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    Do not use the word “environmentalists” in your headline. Can environmentalists have an impact? Because of course only environmentalists care about such things. It’s like you’re talking about microbiologists or something. As if the environmentalists are the only ones who are impacted by corporate ownership of government.

    •  It's simply an interesting question, not a frame. (0+ / 0-)

      It's worth asking for all sorts of movements, but this question was wondering, in particular, if those who seek environmentally sound policy should be putting much effort into obtaining it from a form of government that doesn't necessarily appear conducive to handling the question.

  •  anyone with half a brain sees what Smith says (0+ / 0-)

    is true.  I've been diarying about that very thing for a while.  Since this is an open thread, I will pimp my old diary:

    Taking down the power corporations have over national governments is the ONLY fight that's important.  And if the half-assedness of is all we've got, we're screwed.

  •  Bill Press the hard hitting marshmellow (0+ / 0-)

    said something this morning that was necessary and true;

    SCOTUS is progressively running the country

    by 5-4 vote

    2000 decided who would be president

    decided Corporations are people can spend as much as they want on politics

    (likely) will take-down Affordable Health Care Act.... deciding that Americans don't have a right to healthcare

    Effort by House Republicans to find Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress is really about his efforts in oppose GOP-backed voting laws considered voter suppression. - Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi

    by anyname on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 04:35:28 AM PDT

  •  'Flip This House' has been on for 10 years (0+ / 0-)

    Clueless person of the day.

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 05:19:36 AM PDT

  •  The baby boomers aren't running things anymore. (0+ / 0-)

    It's the Reagan generation running things now. The teenagers in the 80's who drank the koolaid.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 07:34:41 AM PDT

  •  Shall the lion lay down with the lamb? (0+ / 0-)

    Not being snarky here.  It  really IS the age-old question.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Jun 25, 2012 at 09:51:02 AM PDT

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