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Now that the Supreme Court upheld the constitutionality of Obamacare, you might think that Mitt Romney would finally realize that it's time to move on—especially since he's repeatedly said the main difference between Romneycare and Obamacare is that the latter was unconstitutional.

But as reasonable as it would be to expect Romney to stand down, if that's what you thought would happen, you were wrong. In his campaign's newest video, Romney not only sticks to his promise to repeal Obamacare, but now pledges to make it his top priority—his very first job on his very first day in office.

VOICEOVER: The Supreme Court may have made their decision, but the American people haven't.

ROMNEY: Make sure the next president of the United States repeals Obamacare and replaces Obamacare.

VOICEOVER: Day one. Job one. Repeal Obamacare.

Maybe Romney thinks that this is an easy way to appease his base, but this isn't your typical pander: Romney is saying this is his first and foremost priority—before he does anything else, he'll repeal Obamacare. Maybe he's lying, but unless he repudiates this video, it's crystal clear that his number one pledge has nothing to do with growing the economy or adding jobs—it's repealing health care reform.

The Obama campaign should hammer Romney over this pledge. President Obama laid the groundwork yesterday in his brilliant statement after the court's ruling. It's the perfect contrast for the campaign: now that the Supreme Court has spoken, President Obama wants to move forward, not just continuing to implement the law, but to focus our national energy on accelerating the economic recovery, creating more good jobs, and strengthening the middle class. Romney, meanwhile, is stuck in the past. His priority isn't to move the country forward: his priority is to take us backward. And that's a winning message.

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  •  Will the tradmed ever bring up he supported (34+ / 0-)

    the same thing in Massachusetts?  

    I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

    by TomP on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:31:53 AM PDT

    •  Cable News was yesterday (9+ / 0-)

      The Right's response is full metal jacket 10th amendment.

      Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

      by JML9999 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:39:15 AM PDT

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      •  It seems to me the Supremes in this decision left (3+ / 0-)
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        the door open for state to opt in or opt out. Sounds to me like they got nothing here either.

        •  Ayn Rand collected Social Security Checks (14+ / 0-)

          Ron Paul does also.

          Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

          by JML9999 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:49:26 AM PDT

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          •  Why does the USA have Social Security checks to (3+ / 0-)
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            pay, because we don't waste our money on royalty.  We need to rethink royal riches being given to those born to the right bank account, too also.

            . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

            by 88kathy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:58:19 AM PDT

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            •  To start Means testing a savings program (5+ / 0-)

              seems to be the a path to it destruction and the right would just love that.

              Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

              by JML9999 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:01:35 AM PDT

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              •  no one detests the economic royalty more than me, (6+ / 0-)

                but you a right.  Social Security is a savings account.  Nothing more.  As long as the rich fucks pay for it, they should get it, just like everyone else.

                Ditto for Medicare.  it's insurance, and as long as the rich fucks pay for their insurance, they should get what they paid for.

                And that is also why NO benefits should be cut to anyone for either Soc Sec or Medicare.  We already paid for it.  It's ours.  We should ALL get what we paid for.

                •  I am so happy with my untaxed royal riches (1+ / 0-)
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                  comeback to death tax.  I think I will change my sig line, but I love my sig line.  This is going to be a tough day.

                  . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

                  by 88kathy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:19:00 AM PDT

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                •  I think it's more accurate... (1+ / 0-)
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         call Social Security an annuity since the amount you get back for a given level of contribution is based on how lucky you are at the game of living long.

                  That's not quite right of course as annuities typically provide yearly benefits in roughly direct proportion to contributions while Social Security does not (the lowest level contributors get six times the payout for the last dollar they pay in as the highest level contributors get for the last dollar they pay in each year).

                  •  No, S/S is an intergenerational promise. A contra (1+ / 0-)
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                    act b/t older and younger, b/t parents and children and grandchildren.  That old age does not mean poverty and lack of health care.


                    The rich don't pay for it (they cap at a tiny % of their income) and don't need it.  If they'll pay 16% of their income without caps of any kind, then fine, they can have their $5000 a month.  

                    Otherwise, I will not impoverish my mother b/c the rich greedy bastards think they're being treated unfairly.

                    Sell it that way and the Thugs will never win the argument.

                •  I know you can opt out of Medicare part B, can (0+ / 0-)

                  you also opt of receiving S.S. dividends? If so those S.O.B.s who are so worried about the program going bust should do the right thing and opt out. Since they don't want to pass the tremendous debt on to their children and Grandchildren, and these "entitlement" programs are the biggest drain on our National budget, then opt the f**k out and put your money where your mouth is. Cleary, there are many in the 1% that don't need them to live on.

              •  It's not a death tax, it's untaxed royal riches. (2+ / 0-)
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                They deserve their social security, not their untaxed royal fortunes.  

                . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

                by 88kathy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:21:15 AM PDT

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              •  SS is already somewhat means tested... (1+ / 0-)
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                First, the lowest contributors get a much larger return (larger than they contributed) on their contributions than the highest contributors do.

                Second, working past retirement (gathering more "means"), it can reduce Social Security benefits.

                Third, for those who have sources of outside income, generally because they have saved money and have investment income, can find that some of their Social Security benefits become taxable income.

            •  Rand was destitute and suddenly found (1+ / 0-)
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              that the thing she'd always railed against was necessary in her last days. She was fighting lung cancer after doing her civic duty and smoking herself half to death. She needed money and care while she went the rest of the way.

              "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

              by Lily O Lady on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:58:33 AM PDT

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          •  That's a bit like... (0+ / 0-)

            ...implying that someone who opposes Big Oil subsidies (including military costs associated with attempting to help stabilize the Middle East) is a hypocrite for buying gasoline that is cheaper as a result of the subsidies.

            Unless there's evidence that Ayn Rand and Ron Paul somehow got a special exemption from mandatory contributions to Social Security (or illegally failed to pay into them when they were legally obligated to do so), it's ludicrous to imply that they are hypocrites for then taking benefits from the programs.

            If they had not been required to contribute to these programs, perhaps the money they therefore saved would have gone into savings, investments, or additional medical insurance and met their needs that way.

          •  Hypocritical Republicans? I'm shocked! (0+ / 0-)

            If they had to be honest, they'd have nothing.

        •  Well there is a problem with this (3+ / 0-)
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          Laura Flanders writing for The Nation points out a big problem with the way the ruling came down.

          "Where we stand right now is that there are two things that we need to consider. One, of course is the decision around Medicaid and this is a very important decision, this is much more crucial. If the Supreme Court says that the federal government’s giving states money is tantamount to coercion, that’s a real problem because where does that end? If the federal government says you must meet minimum guidelines for education and we’ll give you money to help your schools, is that coercion? We really rely on government to provide a basic social infrastructure that takes care of people."
          With what does the Roberts ruling leave us? With a race-to-the-bottom patchwork of state systems that takes us back to the pre-civil war, certainly, pre-New Deal era. The implications for Flowers' goal - a single-payer, national-government run health plan -- are grave. But (as Flowers points out), pick any national law  - from the regulation of water quality to the protection of women's health, or workers' safety. For arguably the first time, states now have the right to reject any new congressional spending requirements as coercive - and unconstitutional.
          While I am cheering the ruling, I fear for what doors it has opened.
          •  The answer is not to do it through (0+ / 0-)

            the states.  Social Security is federal.

            I'm from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner Wing of the Democratic Party!

            by TomP on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:01:31 AM PDT

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          •  Her concerns maybe overblown (3+ / 0-)
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            The ruling regards Medicaid expansion as a new program rather than an expansion of an old program. (YMMV.) It says that the government can't deny funds to the states for the existing program if a state opts out of what they're calling the new program.

            For this precedent to be applied there would have to be an analogous situation, that is, the government would have to threaten to take away money from existing programs if states refused to join a new program. Given this ruling, Congress isn't going to do that.

            The people have spoken and they're both named Koch. - Andy Borowitz

            by Red Bean on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:09:09 AM PDT

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          •  But the Roberts ruling doesn't leave (6+ / 0-)

            That door open.  It says that the Feds can't TAKE AWAY current Medicaid funds for refusing to follow the NEW  guidelines.  The ruling doesn't say that GIVING funds to the states is coercion.  And it doesn't say that the Feds can't set regulations for how new funds are spent.

      •  There are many amendments like it (1+ / 0-)
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        But this one is mine.

        "Your amendment's name is Charlene."

    •  From the American College of Physicians (10+ / 0-)

      Guess what? They're with us.

      American College of Physicians says there is “no excuse” to delay moving forward with full implementation
      Every American Will Benefit from Supreme Court’s Decision to Uphold the Health Reform Law
      Links here:

      GOP = Greedy One Percent

      by Palafox on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:09:05 AM PDT

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      •  Pulled quotes from the ACP: (1+ / 0-)
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        While the individual mandate and its impact on access to care were the main focus of this Court case, the ACA is about so much more than the mandate. The law expands health insurance coverage; increases reimbursement and expands training programs for primary care physicians; and substantially reforms our payment and delivery system. The law eliminates limits on annual and lifetime coverage; requires that large insurers spend 85 percent of the premium dollar on direct patient care (80 percent for small insurers); allows coverage of young adults on their parents’ plans; guarantees essential benefits; expands Medicaid to all persons with incomes up to 133 percent of the Federal Poverty Level; provides no-cost preventive benefits; phases out of the Medicare Part D doughnut hole; raises Medicare and Medicaid payments and funding of programs to support primary care; tests new patient-centered payment and delivery models; and funds research on the effectiveness of different treatments. Taken together, these reforms will improve health care for everyone, including those of us who are already insured.

        With the constitutional questions resolved, there is no excuse now for states, including those that filed suit against the law, to decline to move forward on setting up state health exchanges and other provisions of the law that involve a partnership between the states and the federal government. ACP also strongly urges states to move forward on expanding Medicaid to all persons with incomes up to 133 percent of the Federal Poverty Level, notwithstanding the court’s ruling that states may not be denied existing Medicaid dollars for failing to do so.

        GOP = Greedy One Percent

        by Palafox on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:17:57 AM PDT

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    •  It's probably worth mentioning that Massachusett's (2+ / 0-)
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      unemployment rate is tied for 10th lowest in the nation. Not what you would expect if Romneycare/Obamacare induces massive job losses.  

      Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less. E.J. Dionne

      by blueyescryinintherain on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:09:59 AM PDT

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  •  Repeal and replace... with what, exactly, Mitt? (22+ / 0-)

    Fair's fair. I don't vote in your church; don't go preaching in my government New ad 6/28: "Triage"

    by Crashing Vor on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:33:24 AM PDT

  •  A pres. Romney will repeal OBC by executive order (14+ / 0-)

    Just like a king. Or a dictator?

    Notice: This Comment © 2012 ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:34:22 AM PDT

  •  Go for it, Willard (27+ / 0-)

    It's constitutional, and it's similar to what has worked reasonably well in Massachusetts, but you're still going to get rid of it on day one.

    Because it's a job killer, even though it didn't.
    In Massachusetts.
    While you were governor.
    And you say the economy grew all super-well because you know how to create jobs.
    With a healthcare plan very similar to the ACA.
    Which you signed.
    While you were governor.

    If you don't see a problem here, Willard, you either are very dumb, or you think you're the best liar in history.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:34:59 AM PDT

    •  Add to that he won't have the authority to do (12+ / 0-)

      That....ACA is the law of the land.

    •  He is a liar, however, I would not say "the best" (2+ / 0-)
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      one. Those folks who have given him so much money for his campaign have demanded this, they are the same ones who created and funded the tea party. We are getting a preview of how Mitt will have to say, "how high" when they tell him to jump. That is exactly how I would frame it. Let folks see exactly what they get when they vote for someone who has no political or moral core.He created and passed the exact same bill in MA, he defended it, even said it should be a model for the entire country. Now he says job one is to repeal it. You really have to wonder why, because he is being controlled by the very same people who want this bill repealed, and have always wanted it repealed. The Koch brothers.
      I am starting to think Roberts casting the deciding vote on the constitutionality of Obamacare is his way of trying to mitigate the damage done by the Citizens United Decision.

      •  Willard's figured out the whole lying thing. (1+ / 0-)
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        The trick is to say the big lie as often as possible, and bask in the glory of the applause of wing nuts and idjits.  Meanwhile, sent his minions out to defend the lies, and let THEM eat the humiliation and confusion of being unable to defend it, deflect it, or spin it.  Plus, our so called fourth estate won't try all that hard.
        Maybe somebody should point out to journalists that they too are vulnerable to the distopia that Willard is creating..

        •  But (0+ / 0-)

          I think the 4th Estate -- right and left -- hate Romney. I mean Joe Scarborough, hardly a liberal, does not even pretend to hide his contempt for this man.

          •  I think there is lots of contempt for him, with (0+ / 0-)

            many in the media, even those on Fox. The only ones I see loving him at all are those on the Financial networks, and probably the network owners.  The flunkies that represent them, just want a horse race, so they can boast high ratings for their shows. Truth be told, no one really likes Willard. They may hold their noses and vote for him, but if it rains on election day or it is difficult to get to the polls, he is in deep shit.

    •  The Cincinnati Enquirer ran an editorial (3+ / 0-)
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      this morning entitled "Let's give health care reform a chance".  I am not sure how they will square that sentiment with the endorsement they will no doubt give Romney in the Fall.  They did run a multi day series of articles on Portman last week, so maybe that will be their cover if he is selected as VP.

      “when Democrats don’t vote, Democrats don’t win.” Alan Grayson

      by ahumbleopinion on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:59:28 AM PDT

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      •  I am suffering from healthcare fatigue,myself (1+ / 0-)
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        I am at the "let's just try this" stage and amend
        it as we go along. I don't want to go backwards. Another
        plan is not going to get passed in these partisan times,
        which I hope the dems will point out over and over.
        Costs will even go up faster under a republican plan of do nothing. Having a pre-existing condition puts me in a precarious position, and I don't want to go back to
        being at the insurance company's mercy

        I don't want to listen to all these republican's with their
        hair on fire screaming about something that has been
        decided. It's just damn hot. I would lots rather they spent their time putting together an infrastructure bill.Instead
        they are having stupid grandstanding votes on Holder and
        repealing healthcare.

        I hope the dems will focus on the positives of ACA and
        sell it this time and pivot to jobs. I will say there have
        been some pretty good surrogates out there the last day or
        two. Gov Malloy from Conn was really good on CNBC this morning.

        Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

        by Sherri in TX on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:21:00 AM PDT

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    •  He's still trying to win over his base (5+ / 0-)

      And I doubt this will help him get any closer to gaining their trust and confidence.

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:06:32 AM PDT

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    •  Operative alternative (1+ / 0-)
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      If you don't see a problem here, Willard, you either are very dumb, or you think you're the best liar in history.
      Actually there's a third alternative, which is the one that he's banking on: he realizes his base is dumb as paint, and generally won't notice or care about the gross hypocrisy.
  •  Well, he has to run on SOMETHING, and his (16+ / 0-)

    Bain business experience is backfiring bigtime with Democrats hammering him with it. So now he's trying desperately to change the conversation, and it will fire up the right wingers, for sure. The independents? I doubt it.

    „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

    by translatorpro on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:35:03 AM PDT

    •  Bain Proves He Knows Cutting Health Insurance (6+ / 0-)

      He's a pro

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:37:05 AM PDT

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    •  Romney wants to cut your health insurance benefits (9+ / 0-)

      He wants to cut your benefits, prevent your children from staying on your plan, deny benefits to cancer patients that have preexisting conditions , deny women access to breast cancer screenings, and make sure CEOs of health insurance plans make millions.  He has vowed to do this on his first day of office. That needs to be the message here.  

      "Art is a lie that makes you realize the truth." - Picasso

      by she the technocrat on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:47:27 AM PDT

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      •  what is amazing (0+ / 0-)

        What is amazing is that Mr. Romney has been braying about how the ACA will mean saddling "our grandchildren" with more debt.  Yet, he wants to cut his taxes (and those of the other 1% crowd, including corporations) and does not sense the disconnect of his two positions.  What an a----le.  

    •  Video of Romney touting (1+ / 0-)
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      mandates juxtaposed with video of him demonizing mandates will make a swell Obama ad.

      Myth Romney - 2012 - If You Want Honesty, Vote For The Other Guy!

      by kitebro on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:40:16 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not sure the commenters responding (0+ / 0-)

      understood my sense of irony - I was implying that he doesn't have a whole hell of a lot to run on to begin with, so he will try anything, and probably botch that, too. The man is a mess, with bad advisors and gaffes galore, we could hardly have hoped for a better Republican nominee, except perhaps Santorum.. oh, and Newt, ... hm, Perry wasn't bad, either... wait, I almost forgot Michelle! - heh, they were all a joke. Anyway, it's pretty easy for the Dems to make Romney look bad, and he's doing a pretty good job doing all by himself. We just need to hand him the anvil....

      „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

      by translatorpro on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:03:39 AM PDT

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    •  It's all about changing the subject imo (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think getting into it with him over health care is a winning message if it changes the focus of the political conversation away from Bain's outsourcing. Romney is screwed if Bain is the main topic, and they know it. Their goal is to turn this into a referendum on Obama with a weak economy, so I hope the Dems get a few shots in, but don't take the bait. Dems should keep asking the outsourcer why he thought shipping American jobs overseas for his own personal gain qualifies him to be president.

      •  Yes, that's pretty much in agreement with (0+ / 0-)

        what I said, you take it one step further, though. Front page now confirms that the GOP is going to use ACA to stir up voter anger, as I mentioned in slightly other words, but there#s no guarantee that that strategy is a winning one.

        „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

        by translatorpro on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:57:53 AM PDT

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  •  Rmoney new slogan - Let's Do the Time Warp AGAIN! (13+ / 0-)

    Dawn is breaking everywhere Light a candle, curse the glare We will get by. We will survive.

    by MikeBoyScout on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:35:24 AM PDT

  •  Set The Controls For The Heart Of The Sun (2+ / 0-)
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    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:35:59 AM PDT

  •  Use the rebate checks as a sledgehammer and (9+ / 0-)

    beat them about the head.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:36:13 AM PDT

  •  this whole thing is surreal (37+ / 0-)

    The Blue team opposes the Red team's health care plan for years, then passes that very same plan itself. The Red team then opposes its own health care plan (because the Blue team passed it), but runs the very guy who set up the Red team's health care plan--who now opposes his own plan.


  •  Defective programming (7+ / 0-)

    This is not a positive message needed for the General election if he and the rest of the GOP political class are going to posture like Yul Brenner until the convention they are so very doomed.

    Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

    by JML9999 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:37:45 AM PDT

  •  Keep making us tell people how good ACA is (9+ / 0-)

    thanks Mitt, tell us what your plan is once you take away all our new protections

    He says repeal the law, but keep the good things?
    How, Mitt?

  •  The Politics-as-Driving metaphor has never been (8+ / 0-)

    more apt:

    D to go forward
    R to go backwards

    You couldn't load a pistol with dormitive virtue and shoot it into a breakfast-roll - CS Pierce

    by Mr Raymond Luxury Yacht on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:37:50 AM PDT

  •  To be fair to Romney's ad... (5+ / 0-)

    ...he's asking Congress to do the work of repealing, and to do it now, so that he can simply sign the bill on day one and get on with the rest of his agenda.  Not that that is likely to include job creation, either.

    But asking others to do work is rather emblematic of Romney's "leadership" style.

    •  Mitt's leadership style is to be the vanguard of (0+ / 0-)

      complaining about Obama's lack of leadership.

      I swear to fucking god, the next rich, powerful person who has nothing but resources to tackle a problemwho stands back and says nothing except that someone else should come up with a plan, I'm going to smack.  I'm so sick of senators and Boner and Mitt complaining about lack of leadership as if they were waiting for Obama's marching orders, rather than making excuses for having nothing.

      SCANDAL: Bush Supreme Court nominee Roberts upholds Romney's individual mandate! Another politically motivated decision!

      by Inland on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:16:02 AM PDT

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  •  Romney is so vulnerable on this Issue that I dont (7+ / 0-)

    understand why he wants to make it HIS signature issue?

    the gop base is already going to vote for him...  no matter how much they dont like Romney, they HATE Obama..  so where exactly is the upside for Mitt to make a big deal about repeal?

    "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

    by KnotIookin on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:38:35 AM PDT

    •  Don't help him! (1+ / 0-)
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      If he wants to campaign on taking away health care from millions of people, let him!

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:47:43 AM PDT

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    •  What I said upstream and I sincerly believe (4+ / 0-)

      is he has now got his marching orders. They paid their money, now they want to control him. Just a taste of how a Romney Presidency will be. When you sell your soul to the devil, as Romney has, sooner or latter the devil will want to collect.
      Just look at his biggest contributers, the very same people who fought againts the bill from the beginning. Clearly you don't think a rag tag band of costumed misfits were not working without big money behind them. The very same people who wanted to see this bill defeated want this law repealed, and they are using Willard to do their bidding for them now.
      This ACA is a long way from government takeover of health care, but it does force the insurance companies to play by the rules, and now the Supreme Court declared those rules Constitutional, so this is their only way to buy it's defeat. They own them all, those in Congress who are yelling "repeal" and now the nominee of the party. Strange as it may seem, that is why they worked so hard to defeat Gingrich, while I don't agree with anything he says or stands for perhaps he could not be bought ala Romney.

    •  He doesn't: the RW base is suspicious of him. (0+ / 0-)

      He has to constantly reaffirm his bona fide severe conservativism on these issues that won't win him the electin.  If he stepped back even a minute, their doubts would come back.

      SCANDAL: Bush Supreme Court nominee Roberts upholds Romney's individual mandate! Another politically motivated decision!

      by Inland on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:17:54 AM PDT

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  •  And then he's gonna go back to Massachusetts... (1+ / 0-)
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    and repeal Romneycare.


    •  I never understood the whole wingnut argument (2+ / 0-)
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      that Romney/ObamaCare is OK in the state but not OK in the Federal.

      Last I heard, the US Constitution applies to everyone, and is just as binding on state governments as it is on Federal governments. So if it's unconstitutional for the Feds to do, it's just as unconstitutional for the states to do.

      Is there something I'm leaving out of the calculations . . . ?

      •  It goes like this... (1+ / 0-)
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        The federal government's powers are limited by the federal Contitution.  The powers of state governments are limited by the Bill of Rights, federal law, and the state constitutions.  State governments potentially have more regulatory power over people within their state than does the federal government, because a particular state's constitution may not limit the state government's power to the same extent as the federal Constitution limits the federal government's power.

        Think about it this way - most federal legislative power comes from the Commerce Clause, which allows the federal government to regulate commerce between the states.  If a piece of federal legislation goes beyond the scope of an enumerated federal power, then that legislation is unconstitutional.  A state like Massachusetts, for example, may not have a constitution that limits its powers in those ways (I can only imagine it doesn't have an analogue to the Commerce Clause).  Consequently, it can enact legislation at the state level that the federal government may not be able to enact at the federal level.  

        The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Hazlitt

        by rfahey22 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:57:14 AM PDT

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        •  so if you move to another state, you're screwed. (1+ / 0-)
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          Romney is the Bain of MY existence...

          by stagemom on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:11:01 AM PDT

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          •  It's just the result of how the country formed (0+ / 0-)

            Back in the day, your state government was the primary governing institution in your life.  People were distrustful of a strong federal government, and the Constitution reflects the philosophy that state governments would be the primary governing bodies going forward and that the federal government would be fairly weak and only deal with issues that could not be addressed effectively by the states in their individual capacities.

            The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Hazlitt

            by rfahey22 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:14:53 AM PDT

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            •  thanks! i had no idea! (1+ / 0-)
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              Romney is the Bain of MY existence...

              by stagemom on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:16:01 AM PDT

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            •  not exactly (0+ / 0-)
              People were distrustful of a strong federal government, and the Constitution reflects the philosophy that state governments would be the primary governing bodies going forward and that the federal government would be fairly weak and only deal with issues that could not be addressed effectively by the states in their individual capacities.
              That was the philosophy behind the Articles of Confederation.

              It was such a disaster that the Constitution was specifically written to STRENGTHEN the federal government and to WEAKEN the state governments.

              All the libertarian states-rights loons who call themselves "federalists" are pig-ignorant buffoons.  The Federalists WANTED to strengthen the Federal government against the States (and the Federalist Papers were one big long argument why this would work WITHOUT having a dictatorial central government). It was the Anti-Federalists who were AGAINST the Constitution and wanted to keep the "weak federal/strong State" model of the Articles of Confederation.

              Alas, the libertarian loonies' history is no better than their economics.

              •  This is true, but (0+ / 0-)

                "Strong" and "weak" in the 18th century were different from what they are today.  I think it's fair to say that at the time the Constitution was ratified, the prevailing view was that state governments would continue to play a dominant role in regulating their own citizens, at least with respect to activity that occurred in-state, and certainly with respect to social legislation.

                The pleasure of hating...eats into the heart of religion...[and] makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands. - W. Hazlitt

                by rfahey22 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:53:15 AM PDT

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        •  Brings to mind the process whereby Canada (1+ / 0-)
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          brought about Medicare for all, province by province.  That's the next frontier for the US.  Thanks for your help on this.  Its really interesting and gets the wheels turning.

      •  Secession mentality (2+ / 0-)
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        These guys are Neo-Confederates.

        They are willing to make a blanket concessionary statement like "it's ok for a state to do it."
        But what that really means is "It's ok for YOUR state to do it, but it'll only happen in MY state over my dead body."

        Of course, any end result of this approach would be breaking up the Union.
        We fought this war a long time ago.

        Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

        by Icicle68 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:03:53 AM PDT

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      •  Its black and white really. It's so easy to (0+ / 0-)

        understand, it makes me embarrassed to have Republicans as the other party in this glorious 2 party system.

        . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

        by 88kathy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:10:20 AM PDT

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  •  It's not HIS priority (3+ / 0-)
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    It's his puppet masters' priority.
    No jobs, who cares about millions of citizens, there are gazillions of dollars to be "appropriated!"

    Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

    by Icicle68 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:39:01 AM PDT

  •  Yes, let's discuss healthcare in detail (4+ / 0-)
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    because you have no detail, Mitt, and soon if we keep talking, people will see you have no other plan, now that you hate your own best idea.

  •  Rope-A-Dope (3+ / 0-)
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    strategy ON

    "Back off, back off, he's got his own dreams that won't come true!"

    by satanicpanic on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:40:24 AM PDT

  •  Stephen Colbert:'Today The Supreme Court has (13+ / 0-)

    upheld Romneycare. But Mitt Romney is way too humble to take credit.'

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:40:44 AM PDT

  •  Repugs run on taking away, Dems on job creation (2+ / 0-)
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    I like the way this campaign is forming.  If the Repugs want to run on taking away insurance from millions of people, and supporting insurance companies over people, then go for it.  In the mean time the Democrats can talk about creating jobs and moving the country out of this Republican depression.  The public may have disliked the health care bill, but they're far more interested in getting the economy moving again.

    The Oligarchs will pump a gazillion dollars into TV ads trying to make this an issue, and the Dems will have to respond with just enough to finally explain what people are going to lose, and then move on to the economy.

    •  Actually public likes ACA if you don't call it (7+ / 0-)

      Obamacare.  There was a poll that shows it's provisions are popular IF you don't call it Obamacare.  That says alot.  It's become tied to the insane hatred of Obama.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:46:52 AM PDT

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      •  But now the Supreme Court has told people that (1+ / 0-)
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        it isn't a socialist fascist communist Kenyan plot. The crazy haters will always hate. But the somewhat reasonable people who just simply didn't understand what it was and worried that it might be a communist plot are free to try to understand it now. We have to educate those people so that they understand it actually does the things they like.

        “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

        by stellaluna on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:04:05 AM PDT

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    •  yeah Mitt's a goner if he runs on repeal (3+ / 0-)
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      Obama's weakness is the economy. If Mitt Romney wants to stop talking about the economy, so be it. I would bet, however, that once Romney sees his campaign stalling, he'll give up and go back to the economy.

  •  Why settle for the status quo (0+ / 0-)

    when you can have the status quo ante?

    Mitt Romney: severely reactionary.

    Barack Obama is not a secret socialist class warrior who wants to redistribute wealth in America. But I'll still vote for him, anyway.

    by looty on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:40:49 AM PDT

  •  Obama just needs to hammer home (2+ / 0-)
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    over and over, the fact that he listens, in a bi partisan fashion, to the other he did in modeling Obamacare on RomenyCare. He should even thank Mitt for a plan most Massachusetts residents approve of.

    •  And by God, keep touting the benefits.... (1+ / 0-)
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      The American people must know that this will ensure they have affordable insurance. They now have the health security to take the risks needed to grow a business. They can have and adopt children without fear of being driven into insolvency if that child has a condition. They will continue to receive access to care even if they lose their jobs instead of being thrown to the wolves.

  •  They are regressives in the fullest sense (1+ / 0-)
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    of the term. They have no interest in the future, no interest in ACTUAL investment, not interest in making things better. All they want is to tear things down. Replace? With what? Who cares? It's more important to destroy.

    THIS is not progress. This is REGRESS. This is destruction. This is disorder. THIS leads to chaos.

    Tell the people you love that you love them when you can. You don't always get another chance.

    by Melanie in IA on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:42:13 AM PDT

  •  The right wing echo chamber is leading Mitt (5+ / 0-)

    down the proverbial garden path, IMHO.  While ACA may be vastly unpopular with the Tea Baggers, religious nuts and garden variety fascists who are the Republican base, Mitt already has those votes locked up.

    The idea that attacking attempts to reform and improve health care coverage for the American people is going to attract significant  centrist or independent voters seems far-fetched to me, and Romney has neither the intellectual horsepower or footwork to debate these issues with Obama.

    I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. ~Thomas Jefferson

    by bobdevo on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:44:41 AM PDT

  •  Moving on (2+ / 0-)
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    with everyone else in this country. After the decision I got an IMMEDIATE email from my insurance company for a webinar to assist hr managers in implementing the ACA. Romney is once again on the wrong side of history - repeal talk is old news and we are going forward.
    It might behoove the administration to have a live Q & A session/information forum to make the benefits of the ACA real and tangible. I went to one a while back and the roomful of red staters were all nodding their heads in agreement with the ACA (and smiling!) by the end of the seminar.

  •  Romney is shooting himself in foot (4+ / 0-)
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    What a strategic blunder it would be if Romney spends the rest of his campaign running against ACA.  For one thing, ACA is very similar to MA health care, it distracts from Romney's economic whining strategy.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:45:27 AM PDT

  •  First of all: (9+ / 0-)

    If you employ more than 50 people and don't offer them ANY kind of health insurance, you are a giant bag of douche. No exceptions. That is a shit move.

    Second of all: the business owners railing about the ACA who have a number of employees that's say, 51 or a few more, will simply fire those people to stay under the minimum. This is also a shit movie, but not a surprising one given the callous lack of empathy that so characterizes what the GOP has become.

    If your business outright fails because of the ACA, I want to see your bookkeeping records. I'm willing to bet those businesses were hemorrhaging money well before any law passed. If the ACA killed your business, you were not prepared to run a small business.

    It gives a lovely light.

    by CayceP on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:45:56 AM PDT

  •  "Maybe he's lying" (0+ / 0-)

    Joke, right?

    What do we want? Compromise! When do we want it? Now!

    by itswhatson on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:47:01 AM PDT

  •  They why are we voting for (0+ / 0-)

    the "business guy?" Couldn't Sarah Palin, or Joey Fatone, be just as adept at removing the health care law?

    "A cynical, mercenary, demagogic press will produce in time a people as base as itself." - Joseph Pulitzer

    by CFAmick on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:47:28 AM PDT

  •  Next round of polls ought to be interesting (4+ / 0-)
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    We now have a definitive difference on what the campaigns are going to be about.  The Repugs are going to take away insurance from millions of people, and the Dems are going to run on getting the country moving and creating jobs.

    My extremely cynical guess is, the polls don't move next week.  In one of the most historic judgements in court history, the 10-15% of the uninformed voters who will decide the election were more interested in getting ready for BBQ and fireworks for the 4th of july, and simply weren't paying attention to what happened yesterday.  

    •  I predict Obama gets a bump... (1+ / 0-)
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      If only for being on the winning side of a major issue. It shows effectiveness. It shows leadership. It shows that he was right.

      Could you imagine the public beating and the screeching from the GOP if this had gone down. Overreach! Overreach! Tyranny! Blah blah blah.

  •  What happened to the victims of Bain (1+ / 0-)
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    when they lost their jobs? Expensive Cobras? Dropped coverage.
    This might make an interesting attack.

    Then he'd have to defend himself by saying, "When I was governor of Massachusetts..."

    Whah, whah, whah....

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:52:08 AM PDT

  •  He's admitting Bain has become toxic (1+ / 0-)
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    The term that comes to mind is 'flailing wildly', trying to come up with ANYTHING to run on. Business experience? Bain has become a burning tire around his neck. Economy? Not great but doing okay, and people still blame Bush for it, even with years of Republitraitor efforts to torpedo it and blame Obama. Gas prices? Falling again. Alien invasion? People trust Obama. This is all they've got left, and it only appeals to teabaggers.

    Romney 2012 - ALL GLORY TO THE ROMNO-TOAD (((@-@))) !!!

    by Fordmandalay on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:52:58 AM PDT

  •  When will rebate checks go out, and for how much? (1+ / 0-)
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    They could be potent arguments for Health Care. I still recall the check Democrats got to be sent as a small part of Bush's tax cut package.

  •  "Job One" Sounds Life A Ford Car (2+ / 0-)
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    Also the phrase "Repeal Obama Care" is simply a dog- whistle to the Tea Party and Republicans meaning "Vote the Socialist Muslim Undocumented Black Man out of office".

    If elections are won by sound byte dog-whistles, do the Democrats have any?

    The Republican Party is Simply a Coalition of Greed and Hate

    by kerplunk on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:53:47 AM PDT

  •  Strategy (0+ / 0-)

    It's time to re-brand the ACA as RomneyCare.

    "The skeleton in the closet is coming home to roost!" Tom Stoppard

    by Apotropoxy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:54:30 AM PDT

  •  How can 75% of "small" businesses blame something (3+ / 0-)
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    that really doesn't take effect for another two years?  Is this a function of the magical Boehner Of Uncertainty we keep hearing about?

    I haz a confused :(

    Iraq, Iran, Issa. Nope - nothing to see here. Move along now.

    by here4tehbeer on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:55:03 AM PDT

  •  constitution hang by a thread (2+ / 0-)
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    White Horse Prophecy” — a belief ingrained in Mormon culture and passed down through generations by church leaders that the day would come when the U.S. Constitution would “hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber” and the Mormon priesthood would save it.

    Romney is the product of this culture.

    Effort by House Republicans to find Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt of Congress is really about his efforts in oppose GOP-backed voting laws considered voter suppression. - Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi

    by anyname on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:55:12 AM PDT

  •  Although Al Gore invented the internet, his (1+ / 0-)
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    campaign vows to keep it from ever being used.

    . . . from Julie, Julia. "Oh, well. Boo-hoo. Now what?"

    by 88kathy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:55:48 AM PDT

  •  This is a big mistake on Romney's part (2+ / 0-)
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    and lets hope the Dems do not look this  dancing gift horse in the mouth.

    Remember to kick it over.

    by sprogga on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:58:09 AM PDT

    •  well I thought the Ryan Budget was enough to (1+ / 0-)
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      win the elections for the Dems with a landslide. The Repugs handed us their heads on a silver plate.

      Instead of taking their heads, though, the Dems also jumped on the austerity bandwagon, began talking about how much we needed to cut "entitlements"---and placed their own heads on the plate too.

      As a party, we have the spine of a jellyfish.

  •  And Romney's officially off message: (3+ / 0-)
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    Now the President can talk about creating jobs jobs jobs and Romney's talking about this.

    Gee, who wins that message war?

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:58:10 AM PDT

  •  A lot of Republican constituents, (1+ / 0-)
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    sadly, are really struggling personally with the consequences of unaffordable healthcare. OK, Obamcare's no good and whatever, but these buffoons have to make a counter proposal, beyond "Free markets are good. They will take care of everything." "Obamacare's bad," alone, isn't going to cut it for campaign talk.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:58:13 AM PDT

  •  Based on my admittedly anecdotal experiences (5+ / 0-)

    this morning I think the sane people are willing to listen. Whether it should be the case or not the Supreme Court has given the bill legitimacy. Maybe even a stamp of approval. For many people their understanding of the process doesn't get much more sophisticated than that. So now that the SC has said its OK they will listen to the details. Many people were confused about whether it was legal, or socialism or fascism and so they were just against it without knowing why. Thus the polls that show people not in favor but approving of the actual things the bill does. Those same people don't think the SC would approve of a bill that was socialist, fascist, etc so now they will listen.

    The two people I've talked to this morning who were previously opposed had a rational conversation about it. Once I talked about the benefits they both said it sounds like there's more good than bad and we should give it a try. One even expressed concern that Romney says he's going to repeal it on "day one". I couldn't go so far as to get her to change her mind about supporting Romney but she did say maybe he needs to wait and see if it works before he tries to get rid of it. I consider that a big win. The only difference between today and when we've discussed it in the past is what happened yesterday. We can't underestimate how the SC may have changed the dialogue with many more reasonable people.

    “You can only become truly accomplished at something you love. Don't make money your goal. Instead, pursue the things you love doing, and then do them so well that people can't take their eyes off you...” - Maya Angelou

    by stellaluna on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 07:58:29 AM PDT

  •  Are there really enough Republican (1+ / 0-)
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    Voters who are too brainwashed, or too stupid to understand that above all, Romney is not an honest broker in this fight?  I know that some are, but are there enough of them to put Romney into the whitehouse?

  •  I have a question. (2+ / 0-)
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    This may be dumb, and if so, I apologize.  As glad as I am that it was upheld, didn't they save the Republican Party?  The Republicans would have had to come up with a plan if it was struck down.  Now all they have to do is run against it without really saying what they would do.  We see how they have attacked Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid.  I can't remember they ever saying what they would do to fix it/replace it.  

    •  The last repug to run promising to repeal broad (1+ / 0-)
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      based social programs without a viable substitutes was Barry Goldwater.

      RIP Mitt!

      "I cannot live without books" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1815

      by Templar on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:07:38 AM PDT

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    •  Romney's plan to replace (0+ / 0-)

      the ACA is as follows:

      deny providers the ability to deny coverage based on pre existing conditions

      allow adult children under a certain age to remain on the plan of their parents

      provide assistance to low income individuals and families to buy a plan

      create state networks for delivery of plans

      require plans to spend a certain % of revenue on actual care


      What is out in Romney's "replace plan" is the individual mandate, the part that pays for stuff and solves the free rider problem.  The part that Romney himself proposed as Gov. of Mass.  The part that Romney has in the past called the key to reducing costs.  The part that Romney has also called the "personal responsibility mandate."  The part that has been ruled constitutional.

      It is all just BS.  It was a conservative idea all along.  Americans by and large like it when they are told what it does and as long as it is not called Obamacare.


      The ruling is a major loss for the Republicans.  There is no way to spin it otherwise.  Just as it would have been a major loss for Dems and Obama had it been struck down.

      "The attack on the truth by war begins long before war starts and continues long after a war ends." -Julian Assange

      by Pierro Sraffa on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:20:22 AM PDT

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    •  I'm kind of thinking (1+ / 0-)
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      that the decision did the opposite. Before the decision, the republican hype was all about how "unconstitutional" the act is. Now that's its been deemed constitutional, I think they're going to have a difficult time vilifying the actual provisions in the ACA. Who DOESN'T want insurance companies to be required to spend at least 80% of every dollar received on actual heatlhcare? Who is going to refuse a rebate from their insurer? Who doesn't want senior citizens to have affordable meds, or the ability to keep their college grad kids on their policy while they struggle to find employment? Who doesn't want to be rid of the pre-existing condition clauses or life-time caps?

      When it comes to fighting the stuff thats actually IN the ACA......I think they are going to have a tough time of it!

  •  Mitt recommended his Mass. plan as national model. (5+ / 0-)
  •  Romney is going to double down and attack his own (3+ / 0-)
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    health plan. He really is nuts. And anyone who votes for him is a bigger nut.

  •  Poor Massachusetts Mitt-National Mitt hates him. (0+ / 0-)

    "'s difficult to imagine what else Republicans can do to drive women away in 2012, unless they decide to bring back witch-hanging. And I wouldn't put it past them." James Wolcott

    by Mayfly on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:10:24 AM PDT

  •  Make our day, Mitt (3+ / 0-)
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    They just can't help themselves with issues like these.

    They'd rather pull everybody over the edge of cliff before conceding some benefit to the other side that was fairly won.

    They are a sick and delusional group of people.

    If they go down this road, they will lose. Mitt is not nearly deft enough to pull it off, he's an inarticulate, robotic showhorse who will make an absolute fool of himself defending this position.

    I can't wait.

    "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

    by jkay on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:19:43 AM PDT

  •  You're a sad, sad man, Mitt Romney (2+ / 0-)
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    You are a sad, sad man, Mitt Romney.  You betrayed your Christianity by promising to take care away from the sick and needy so that the powerful can keep a little more of their treasures.  

    You sold out your own signature accomplishment to pursue your political dreams.  Your health care plan worked – why do you want to keep it from millions of Americans?  What kind of a president would such a sad, sad man be?  I don’t want to find out.  

  •  I find the right wing arguement bizarre (2+ / 0-)
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    They start off with stating that the highest court in the land has determined that this is a completely (more-or-less) legal program.  So obviously the correct response is to declare war on this completely legal program.  I have a feeling this time their war on healthcare is going to backfire and more regular people are going to think the GOP is being malicious.

  •  Stupid Romney Quotes (6+ / 0-)

    Stupid Romney policy quotes:

    "New York Times:
    "Mr. Romney’s entire campaign rests on a foundation of short, utterly false sound bites."

    Mitt repeatedly promoted the Massachusetts model of health care including mandates and in the 2008 GOP presidential primary, he said:  “I like mandates.... Don’t be free riders and pass on the cost to your health care to everybody else."

    2012 Romney says Obamacare is a takeover of half the economy.  Was Romneycare a takeover of half of Massachusett's economy?
    “.....Today, government at all levels consumes 37 percent of the total economy or GDP. If Obamacare is allowed to stand, government will reach half of the American economy.”
    (Former Reagan adviser Bruce Bartlett says  this is "so stupid it is hard to know where to begin" )

    2012 Mitt condemns farm subsidies at farm that got a million dollar grant arranged by prominent local Republican politicians:
    "This is the America known for thriving farms ... nourished and sustained by hard work. [...] Freedom and free enterprise are what create jobs, not government."

    2009 Romney demands GOP lameduck Congress pass emergency stimulus,  because the economy crashed under Bush
    ".......I think there is need for economic stimulus. Americans have lost about $11 trillion in net worth. That translates into about $400 billion a year less spending that they'll be doing, and that's net of additional government programs like Medicaid and unemployment insurance. And government can help make that up in a very difficult time. And that's one of the reasons why I think a stimulus program is needed...."  

    2008 Romney demands lameduck Republican Congress pass a stimulus  
    “This is surely the time for economic stimulus,” ...."infrastructure projects should be a high priority. ....“expand the money supply,”

    2012 Romney promotes his investment in Konarka, a failed solar energy company
    “The [renewable-energy] trust fund has been growing for years, and I believe now is the time to refocus its assets in such a manner that it can become a major economic springboard for the Commonwealth by focusing on job creation in the renewable energy sector.”

    2012 Romney attacks firemen, cops, and teachers
    "...(Obama) says we need more fireman, more policeman, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It’s time for us to cut back on government...."  

    2012 Romney promises to not cut spending if elected, admit government spending lifts the GDP, admits tax cut won't cause growth
    "....Well because, if you take a trillion dollars for instance, out of the first year of the federal budget, that would shrink GDP over 5%. That is by definition throwing us into recession or depression. So I’m not going to do that, of course."

    Replace Medicare with a 50 state block grant sytem, because 50 local bureaucracies wll be "more efficient" than one federal agency.

    And general obnoxious stuff.....

    "Corporations are people, my friend… "

    "I like being able to fire people "

    "I'm not concerned about the very poor."  

    "I'll tell you what, ten-thousand bucks? $10,000 bet."

    "I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed."  

    "There were a couple of times I wondered whether I was going to get a pink slip" –Mitt Romney, attempting to identify with the problems of average folk (January 2012)

    "[My wife] drives a couple of Cadillacs."  

    "I get speaker's fees from time to time, but not very much” ($370,000 a year)  

    “I like those fancy raincoats you bought. Really sprung for the big bucks.” (mocking NASCAR fans plastic ponchos)

    “I’m not sure about these cookies. Did you make those cookies? You didn’t, did you? No. No. They came from the local 7-Eleven bakery or wherever.” (Mitt mocks locally baked cookies)

    "(I don't follow NASCAR but) I have some friends who are NASCAR team owners"

    “it’s not worth moving heaven and earth spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person.” (Osama Bin Laden)

    "I'm Mitt Romney—and yes Wolf, that's also my first name." — (Mitt Romney on CNN lying about his first name, which is really Willard)

    ''Don't try to stop the (home) foreclosure process. Let it run its course and hit the bottom.''

    "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt." (Title of Mitt's editorial)

    "Just getting smaller classrooms didn't seem to be the key."  (Mitt sent his kids to a school that advertises a class size of 12)

     “Planned Parenthood, we're going to get rid of that.”

    One of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping me get elected because they think I'd be a great president."  (Romney on why nobody in his family has been in the armed services)

    I've been a hunter pretty much all my life."

    "Well, the question is kind of a non sequitur, if you will." (answer to debate question about whether invading Iraq was a mistake)

    Russia is our  “No. 1 geopolitical foe.”

    "I’m not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was."

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:22:20 AM PDT

  •  I thought priority was JOBS and ECONOMY? (1+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541, Fury

    Refighting yesterday's battles since the New Deal... For the right, it's always about blaming some policy instituted long ago, rather than actually coming up with real solutions to complex problems.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 08:32:44 AM PDT

  •  Earlier this week, Chuck Todd was giving the (2+ / 0-)
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    results of the NBC/WSJ polling on the SCOTUS ACA ruling.  At that time, he interpreted the results of the poll as meaning Americans would take their cue from the SCOTUS.  If the law was struck down, more Americans would be inclined to dislike the law.  If it was upheld, more Americans would be inclined to support it.

    That was before the SCOTUS ruled and at a time when the conventional wisdom (Chuck included) was that the ACA mandate would be ruled unconstitutional.

    Now that all that CW has not panned out, Mr. Todd no longer subscribes to his initial interpretation that more Americans would begin to support the law.  Go figure.  They always have to contort themselves to make every event favorable for Romney in some fashion.  

  •  And replace it with what Mitt? Romneycare? (2+ / 0-)
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    The plan that had double the financial penalty/tax if you don't get health insurance and the one that covers abortions with a simple co-pay?

    Priorites USA needs an ad where Romney waxes poetic about the mandate/tax and how it's about personal responsibility and then cut to his remarks now and say "What changed?" and close with "I'm running for office for pete's sake"  or Mitt was for it before he was against it.

    The latter of course was the attack used on Kerry.

  •  Dems and the media share equal blame... (2+ / 0-)
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    The problem is that as long as the GOP can get away with shouting "Obamacare. Booga booga booga!" and running away, they win the messaging battle.

    It is incumbent upon the Dems (and the few actual journalists are left out there) to turn this:

    n: The Who-cares-what-it-does-it-um-destroys-jobs-and-uh-costs-money-and-erm-death-panels-socialism Act of Bwahahaha-I-can't-believe-the-media-is-stupid-enough-to-let-us-get-away-with-this.

    ... into this ...

    n: The reason why people with cancer and chronic diseases still have health insurance, why your college graduate kid who can't find a job is covered, and why you may be getting a rebate check this fall.

    I'd like to say the DNC and administration understand this, but I'm not holding my breath...

  •  This is where Rick Santorum was right (2+ / 0-)
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    if one of the main issues pivots back to healthcare, how does Romney slam the individual mandate when he signed on as governor of Mass.  This guy cannot credibly debate repeal of ACA, just saying. And that goes straight to his main liability -- he is not CREDIBLE -- he is, however, an opportunist which usually does not win elections.

  •  If there's any doubt that all Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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    want to do is have power, this should clinch it. Romney is repudiating the same thing he instituted in Massachusetts. Any time a Democrat agrees with a Republican, they change their minds as to be at odds with the Democrat.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:04:06 AM PDT

    •  alas, if only the opposite were also true . . . (1+ / 0-)
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      Any time a Democrat agrees with a Republican, they change their minds as to be at odds with the Democrat.
      When the Republicans change their position so they're not Democrats, the Democrats just keep their Republican positions. And as the process continues, the Dems just end up chasing the Repugs ever further to the right.

      This is how the Democrats became Republicans.

      •  I know. It's a pretty lousy strategy (0+ / 0-)

        for Democrats. For a while Democrats may have done it in the spirit of compromise to get things done, but as Republican ideas proved to be such terrible failures, Democrats should have come up with a new strategy to promote progressive policies.

        "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

        by Lily O Lady on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:48:45 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  All Republicans esp'ly Romney are liars (0+ / 0-)

    whose only moral principle is greed.   They are a congenital disease that must be fixed.  

  •  75% number is problematic (2+ / 0-)
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    The 75% number comes from this survey which was done by Luntz , the republican propaganda master, for the US Chamber of Commerce. In response to the statement: "The recent healthcare law makes it much harder for my business to hire more employees", 72% responded with either strongly or somewhat agreeing. The survey also gathered statistics on the number of employees. 14% had 50 or more employees and 30% had 20 or more employees. The health care law requires employers to offer health insurance only if they have 50 or more full time employees or be charged a penalty. So either the respondents don't understand the law or somebody is lying.

  •  Mitt Romney is the biggest supporter of ObamaCares (1+ / 0-)
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    How else do you explain his record in Massachusetts?

  •  Our talking points need to be the benefits (1+ / 0-)
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    of the health care act.  Doing so will put the R's in a position that they are then talking about take-aways.  Those take-aways are the 26 yr old coverage provision, no denial due to preexisitng conditions, no lifetime cap, etc.  How is that going to soudn to the public?

  •  Is a tax a tax if you never pay it? (0+ / 0-)

    That question is vexing the right.

    My conservative friends do not like me telling them that their taxes are not affect my the mandate tax at all. They have health insurance from their employer.

    So she counters with  I just don't like the government telling me what to do.

    So I ask her has you had this problem long because from the day you were born to now the government has been making laws all over the place and you have seemingly happily complying with them until now, why?

    She says I just don't like it

  •  Is Romney actually TRYING to lose? (0+ / 0-)

    I used to think the McCain campaign was a mess. But this makes McCain look good! I guess it's all a consequence of Romney's fear that the Teabaggers will stay home on election day and, rather than just lose, he will be crushed like a bug.

    The universe may have a meaning and a purpose, but it may just specifically not include you.

    by Anne Elk on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 10:52:05 AM PDT

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