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Supreme Court Chief Justice John J. Roberts
Clearly insane.
If you're like me, you had no idea batshit insane right-wing radio host Michael Savage was still alive. I naturally assumed that by now his desiccated remains had been found on the floor of some rural Montana bunker, diary still in hand, with his last thoughts on intricate political conspiracies coordinated by moon men, vampires and Freddie Mercury written in blood on every page. But no—apparently he still has a radio show. And his theories about why Justice John Roberts betrayed all of conservatism might actually become a thing:
"Let’s talk about Roberts. I’m going to tell you something that you’re not going to hear anywhere else, that you must pay attention to. It’s well known that Roberts, unfortunately for him, has suffered from epileptic seizures. Therefore he has been on medication. Therefore neurologists will tell you that medication used for seizure disorders, such as epilepsy, can introduce mental slowing, forgetfulness and other cognitive problems. And if you look at Roberts’ writings you can see the cognitive dissociation in what he is saying."
Well, yes. I still remember the Bush administration, when almost every cabinet resignation or other conservative slight was followed by a press room briefing or other high-placed rant on how so-and-so was obviously either bitter or crazy. It goes without saying that you would have to be hopped up on epilepsy medication to think that other people maybe ought to receive their goddamn epilepsy medication.

Now Savage's—let's call it "theory," I suppose—has made to Fox News. Fox News Radio's Todd Starnes (who already holds title for most frothing conservative reaction to yesterday's ruling, with his announcement that we "are now living in the Occupied United States of America," is taking it and running with it:

"[T]he reason people are stunned is because what John Roberts did. And there is growing estimation that he did this, uh, for political reasons, and not necessarily to follow the rule of law, which is troubling. We've seen other reports out there that suggest that perhaps some of Mr., you know the Chief Justice is on medication, and perhaps that might have influenced his decision-making, I don't know. But I do know this, it was so out of character that you really have to wonder what really was going on.
Hey, we've seen reports, folks. And that's not all the reports we've seen. In less mapped caves of wingnuttery, there are even darker suppositions that need supposing. So many suppositions are being supposed that I'm supposing supposition suppositories may be suspected:

(Continued below the fold ...)

One lower-tier righty blogger (by the name of "Reliapundit," no less, so you know it's got to be legit, and no I'm not linking, Google if you care, etc.) says:

SPECULATION: THIS IS MERELY A GAMING SCENARIO: IF OBAMA THREATENED TO KILL CHELSEA, THEN MIGHT HE THREATEN A JUSTICE OF THE SCOTUS TO SAVE OBAMACARE?

BETTINA VIVIANO CLAIMS THAT IN 2008 OBAMA CRONIES THREATENED TO KILL CHELSEA TO GET THE CLINTONS TO BACK DOWN FROM USING THE BIRTHER ALLEGATIONS AGAINST OBAMA.

IF THIS IS TRUE - REPEAT IF, THEN IT IS EQUALLY POSSIBLE THAT THESE SAME CRONIES MIGHT THREATEN TO KILL ONE OF CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS' CHILDREN IN ORDER TO GET HIM TO VOTE FOR OBAMACARE. [...]

IT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY ROBERTS CHANGED HIS MIND. AND WHY HIS OPINION IS SO DISJOINTED.
REPEAT:
IF THIS IS TRUE - REPEAT IF, THEN IT IS EQUALLY POSSIBLE THAT THESE SAME CRONIES MIGHT  THREATEN TO KILL ONE OF CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS' CHILDREN IN ORDER TO GET HIM TO VOTE FOR OBAMACARE.
Aaaaaaaah! It burns! You shouldn't have read below the fold after all!
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  •  And here I was believing Roberts just had a soul (50+ / 0-)

    and a conscience so he voted that way.  It was a conspiracy all along!

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right. I'm riding in the Tour de Cure. You can donate here.

    by darthstar on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:32:45 PM PDT

    •  Not me, I was thinking (24+ / 0-)

      that Roberts had friends in high places who felt that overturning the ACA would ultimately strengthen the case to bring on Medicare-for-all, the LAST thing they want to see.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:41:22 PM PDT

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    •  Not a soul, a pre-existing condition. (12+ / 0-)

      Epilepsy is a serious health issue, people who have it often take meds for it their entire lives.  Maybe Roberts can see the good in upholding legislation requiring insurance companies to accept people with pre-existing conditions.

    •  Roberts represents Wall Street (3+ / 0-)
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      Roberts' decisions always, without exception, are in favor of Wall Street. The reason the outcome wasn't clear beforehand, even since the law passed, is because the net profitability of ACA was very difficult to determine. In the end the for-profit health care industry believes the individual mandate is a net gain, hence we have the Roberts vote.
      It's easy to determine the outcome of a SC decision when you understand the factions the conservative justices represent.
      Roberts - Wall St., even if the decision might lean left politically.
      Scalia, Thomas - radical right regardless of precedence or business interestes.
      Alito - religious right; could possibly lean left on non-social decisions.
      Kennedy - moderate, votes whichever way the wind blows. Favorite ice cream flavor is neapolitan.

    •  Just being a liberal and disagreeing with them (1+ / 0-)
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      elfling

      is bad enough but when one of their own turns against them its sacreligious.

    •  He may not have a soul, but sanity instead. (7+ / 0-)

      My take.

      Outside of what he wrote, what were the real reasons the Chief Justice voted with the libs? Frankly, I don't believes anything he wrote in support of the bill.

       Robert Reich looks to have come close to explaining it. I would also offer these reasons.

      Roberts is cunning and smart. He understands the big picture. He realized that overturning Health Care would ensure the dominace of the teabagger extreme right wing. Health Care was thee signature issue with the extremists. Teabaggers won primaries based on their opposition to the Health Care law.  I think he is aware of the destructive force they became.

      And Roberts understands unlike the other intellectually deranged right wing ideologues on the Court, that teabagger ascendency is bad for bidness, very bad for bidness. Their radicalism is about blindlly tearing down the system in favor of their right wing uptopian anarchism--the embers from a burning house does not discriminate and where it goes next. This is not about ensuring profits for corporations, but keeping fundamental order against right wing anarchism.

      The teabaggers were ready to stop the government from functioning and the elites very much rely on the power over government to stay in bidness--chaos is a prescription for changing of the guard.

      Along with the ascendency of the radical right, Roberts understood the points Reich is making, and would have radicalized the Dem base that even status quo establishment liberals like Pelosi and Reid not  could marginalize.

      In effect, Roberts would have denuded the Supreme Court as masses of people would ignore them, and as Stalin said of the Pope and his influence--how many divisions does the Pope have.  Would eventually any president just say "fuck you" I am doing what I want to do.

      In the end, Roberts read what what other deranged right wing radicals wrote, and understood the he was looking into a political abyss that could only lead to dissolution.

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      The Supreme Court can't afford to lose public trust. It has no ability to impose its will on the other two branches of government: As Alexander Hamilton once noted, the Court has neither the purse (it can't threaten to withhold funding from the other branches) or the sword (it can't threaten police or military action). It has only the public's trust in the Court's own integrity and the logic of its decisions -- both of which the public is now doubting, according to polls. As Chief Justice, Roberts has a particular responsibility to regain the public's trust. Another 5-4 decision overturning a piece of legislation as important as Obamacare would further erode that trust.

      •  Oh bullshit. A good Supreme Court Justice (3+ / 0-)
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        is not thinking like this.  His thinking is so far over your level you absolutely don't have a clue.

        It is clear from the dissenting opinion that Roberts switched his vote at the last minute.  That dissent refers to itself several times as the majority opinion and calls Justice Ginsberg's concurring opinion a "dissent."  

        No texts in history are subject to such proofreading and typographical controls as are Supreme Court opinions, so it's obvious that the losers (losers!!!) left those typos in deliberatively in order to signal that Roberts jumped ship at the last minute. (This is not just my opinion; prominent jurists and thinkers such as Brad de Long have been arguing this, and they're obviously correct.)

        I think Roberts had some kind of inspiration late at night and put his entire life on the line with a courageous vote.

        This has completely changed my opinion of Roberts.  What he just did required INCREDIBLE courage and integrity.

        •  I can't in respond to your jumble but i will try (0+ / 0-)

          "His thinking is so far over your level you absolutely don't have a clue."

          You must have been in his chambers to understand his thinking.

          "It is clear from the dissenting opinion that Roberts switched his vote at the last minute.  That dissent refers to itself several times as the majority opinion and calls Justice Ginsberg's concurring opinion a "dissent."  

          This in no way obviates my point.

          "No texts in history are subject to such proofreading and typographical controls as are Supreme Court opinions,..."

          How does this exactly disprove any point I made.  People read carefully, and therefore my point is invalid???  This is called a non sequitur.

          This has completely changed my opinion of Roberts.  What he just did required INCREDIBLE courage and integrity.

          This adds proof to my point. Roberts understood the political abyss of agreeing with the minority opinion.

          Have some warm milk, and go to sleep.

        •  Since the vote (0+ / 0-)

          (like all SCOTUS votes) was taken shortly after the conclusion of argument, months before it was published, how could Roberts have "changed his vote at the last minute"?

          "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

          by sidnora on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 09:19:54 AM PDT

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  •  Makes you wonder what drugs Savage is on. (34+ / 0-)

    Makes you wonder what drugs Savage is on.

    So this guy's a coward, a traitor, doped up, wanting his moment in the papers.... I'm amazed by how instantaneously they've turned on a man that was their idol even just three days ago.

  •  It's nice to see that the tri-cornered, tinfoil (37+ / 0-)

    hat wearing Teabagger mental midgets are taking this so well.

    The entertainment is awesome!

    Chicago--Proud Home of the 1908 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

    by Jeff Y on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:33:23 PM PDT

  •  Yes, they ARE that pathetic! (7+ / 0-)

    This little spin was posted by a conservative friend of mine on facebook. I think he actually took it seriously.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/...

    I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

    by Gentle Giant on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:35:13 PM PDT

    •  So Romney's healthcare mandate (6+ / 0-)

      (that he wanted to take national), wasn't a tax hike?

      Seriously, I hope they keep twisting themselves in knots on this.

      After the court decision, I think everyone (minus the Teabagger crowd) is going to move on from HCR for the most part.

      Chicago--Proud Home of the 1908 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

      by Jeff Y on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:45:26 PM PDT

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    •  "bilious bifurcation" ???? (2+ / 0-)
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      The Divider in Chief, already bent on stoking cultural warfare — upper-middle class vs. lower-middle class, white against black against Hispanic, gay against straight, believers against non-believers — had no doubt hoped to win one more target for his bilious bifurcation.
      Somebody's having fun with vocabulary... :-)

      -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

      by luckylizard on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:07:15 PM PDT

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  •  is this what rMoney's on or what Bush41 used in (4+ / 0-)
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    Tokyo

    Therefore neurologists will tell you that medication used for seizure disorders, such as epilepsy, can introduce mental slowing, forgetfulness and other cognitive problems. And if you look at Roberts’ writings you can see the cognitive dissociation in what he is saying."

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:36:35 PM PDT

  •  If only we'd known... (16+ / 0-)

    that all it took to turn John Roberts into a liberal was a little dosage of drugs, we could have been secretly drugging him for years.  Think of how much different our country would be if liberals had had the majority votes on the SC in the past decade or so.

    We should probably start secretly drugging all the Conservative members of the SC, just in case this works on them too.

    Facts are liberally bias

    by SuzieQ4624 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:36:53 PM PDT

  •  So it's "Some people say......" (7+ / 0-)

    Wacked out on PCP and Steroids.

    Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

    by JML9999 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:36:56 PM PDT

  •  Epilepsy medication (40+ / 0-)

    I'm currently hopped up on epilepsy medication, though not for epilepsy.  I take it for migraine prevention and I take less of it than epilepsy patients take so I can't speak fully for what it does at a full dosage.  But I can safely say that it doesn't slow me down too much to still identify that Michael Savage is a f'ing idiot.

  •  Screw Drudge, Rehnquist was tripping (7+ / 0-)

    when he screwed to constitution with Bush v. Gore and the Schiavo rulings.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

    That is a FACT backed up by the FBI, not some wing nut whining.

    •  Not according to that link (0+ / 0-)

      It says he was clean by the end of 1982.

      "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."........ "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." (yeah, same guy.)

      by sidnora on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 09:32:04 AM PDT

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  •  This is so offensive on so many levels. (26+ / 0-)

    I don't even find it funny anymore. These people are revolting enough. But for the media to take these charges of child assasination and drugged up Justices seriously shows there is a real problem with journalism in this country. They make me sick.

    Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

    by Matt Z on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:38:26 PM PDT

    •  It's acceptable to them because (9+ / 0-)

      there has to be some explanation for how a black guy with a funny name ended up in the oval office.

      When your entire sense of your valueand your place in the world is tied up in needing to find others inferior in some way, the fact that a black man can be well educated, competent, intelligent, attractive, committed to his wife and family, and generally just a nice man is so horrifying you have no choice but to retreat into paranoia and conspiracy theory.

      This isn't driven by a simple generic racism or bigotry, these are people who have such a slim grip on personal worth they can't manage a world that breaks through their delusions of superiority.  I was reading some comment threads yesterday that really drove that home.  This is genuine panic, a true loss of safety and security.

      It's cynically manipulated, of course, by hate radio, hate TV, hate politics, and hate religion.  They've been told that the ACA is anti-Constitutional and anti-American for so long by so many that it's simply impossible they were lied to.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:17:57 PM PDT

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      •  The thing that disturbs me (9+ / 0-)

        Is not only is it a vicious attack on Obama's character but it's offensive to Roberts as well.  I'm pretty much used to the right cooking up horrific lies about the President on a daily basis but to see them turn so gruesomely on one of their own for a single disagreement is chilling. I wonder how Roberts' family feels about hearing that they were going to be assassinated in a pathetic attempt to score points against Obama. If I was Roberts, I would be furious.

        Why do I have the feeling George W. Bush joined the Stonecutters, ate a mess of ribs, and used the Constitution as a napkin?

        by Matt Z on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:49:39 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe it seems possible to them because (2+ / 0-)
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          they would consider something like that, extreme violence to protect their :whatever:.

          It was revelatory to read comments on a relatively neutral site yesterday.  These are people on a very narrow ledge, and once again the Republicans have worked them into a frenzy for the sake of political theatre.

          I'm at my fallback position on the Republican leadership:  please let reincarnation be true.  I don't have specifics for any of them, just a hope that they come back and learn what it feels like to be one of the ordinary people.

          I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

          by I love OCD on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:53:12 PM PDT

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      •  I agree, their whole foundation has been (3+ / 0-)
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        been challenged and they are in panic mode. And they have no idea how to adapt to the current world of the 21st C.

        "There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats ..." - Kenneth Grahame -

        by RonK on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:38:49 PM PDT

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    •  Amen, Matt. (3+ / 0-)
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      Today has seen this crap about epilepsy, mentioned because no doubt of the stigma those who suffer from it still endure in many places as if they were insane, a whole different stigma zone,  AND a number of denunciations that Roberts should be removed from office because he is a traitor, as well as Kagan who supposedly knew about F&F, and Sotomayor who should never have been on SCOTUS because she's not really American,  and those who are denouncing Roberts because they believe they had an express understanding with him that he was put there to do their wishes and now has betrayed them, and . . . etc etc etc. (On this last one,forget that the Rs who put him in are being read out of the party as we speak)

      I may not like Roberts' legal habits, but this sort of thing is foul and a disgrace and he is entitled to be free of this kind of abuse.  The only good light I can think of is to remind him and us of Hugo Black who started off as KKK and got death threats and the whole nine yards, which helped make him a finer jurist, after the ordeal. But even that does not mean that subjecting Roberts to this kind of ordeal, no matter how he may respond to it, is anything other than just plain disgusting.

    •  This is what happens (2+ / 0-)
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      when you give these people on FNC and hate talk an endless forum to speak this kind of drivel on a constant basis with almost no line that can be drawn nor any alternative view.People listening to this crap-especially uneducated ones-will think its acceptable behavior.

  •  How come Savage hasn't been totally (15+ / 0-)

    exposed yet as a pedophile?

    His letters to Allen Ginsberg are in the Stanford University Ginsberg archives. In them, he details his exploits with young boys in SE Asia, and mentions--as he was writing one particular letter--a boy he has his eye on in the courtyard below his hotel.

    There are two kinds of people in this world. The kind who divide the world into two kinds of people, and the kind who don't.

    by upstate NY on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:38:36 PM PDT

    •  We need to do like the Brits did (3+ / 0-)
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      Aunt Pat, lyta, Matt Z

      and ban Weiner Savage from this country.

      Chicago--Proud Home of the 1908 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

      by Jeff Y on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:50:38 PM PDT

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      •  nah, 1st Amendment alone should squash that (3+ / 0-)
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        but I'm going to have look up this thing about letters from Weiner to Ginsberg....

        Savage's media persona has never made sense to me. One minute he's screaming and carrying on about commies and traitors and perverts, the next he's calmed down and starts idly rambling about wine. The John Bircher/Fresh Air extremes of his shows make me wonder....how does a guy w/ a NY accent, living in San Francisco, using Metallica and Motley Crue for bumpers, end up as one of the most widely known AM radio teabagging angermongers? It has never made sense to me. The fact that he's had an audience who apparently just accepts (or doesn't notice) these contradictions makes even less sense.

        Does he really believe the shit that he says? Is he just collecting a paycheck? Is he a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions of persecution? Is it just one of the longest running, most successful trolling jobs in world media history?

        To hell with repeal-and-replace. The president should run on maintain-and-improve.--Pierce

        by nota bene on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:18:55 PM PDT

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  •  We have reports... (8+ / 0-)

    First cousin to 'Some people say...'

    'Osama Bin Ladien is still dead and GM is still alive' - Joe Biden "Dems kill terrorist. The GOP keeps them around as a boogeyman - so they can continue to steal."

    by RichM on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:38:50 PM PDT

  •  You got me. (14+ / 0-)

    I read below the goddamn fold, and now I'm sorry.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:38:51 PM PDT

  •  I don't believe (1+ / 0-)
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    Aunt Pat

    Roberts and his wife have children actually.

  •  Crazy = The right wing. (2+ / 0-)
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  •  I suggest that someone ask Mitt Romney (21+ / 0-)

    if he believes these allegations against Justice Roberts, and if they merit impeachment.

    Inquiring minds want to know.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:39:09 PM PDT

  •  ALL CAPS (16+ / 0-)

    I think the all caps really drives home the importance and gravity of this issue.

    Bwahahaha!

  •  You do know that clerks write those opinions. (16+ / 0-)

    I'm sure the Justices provide some kind of outline for what they want to say, and the Justice has final say on the position, and it's possible Roberts felt like writing this particular opinion himself, but it is a collaborative process.  So several non-epileptic conservative federalists would have seen that opinion prior to publication. As well as all the dissenting justices for that matter.

    Point is, if someone was going to talk Roberts out of it, they had ample opportunity.

  •  Montana bunker... (2+ / 0-)
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    Hey, no so nice. We don't want him here. We have standards to uphold.

  •  He was the right's darling (8+ / 0-)

    What the right fails to appreciate is that he still is. Reading the opinion made that clear, at least to me. Traps galore.

    Tax, not penalty. Narrowing commerce clause. Ruling no stick, just carrot treatment for states in regard to Medicaid.

    Roman Catholic by birth---thoroughly confused by life.

    by alasmoses on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:42:45 PM PDT

    •  Yes, he was running damage control (2+ / 0-)
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      Aunt Pat, alasmoses

      and I have to think it was probably planned at the highest levels.  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:51:46 PM PDT

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      •  CT vs. CT? (3+ / 0-)
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        I love OCD, vcmvo2, BachFan

        Pathetic.

        No planning "at the highest levels" would hand Obama's re-election campaign a gift like this victory.

        "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

        by sagesource on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:00:38 PM PDT

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        •  So you honestly think that Roberts (2+ / 0-)
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          felt so strongly about the legality of the ACA, that he was willing to give a ginormous helping hand to Obama and scuttle the conservative agenda?  

          You think Robert's long history of working patiently to advance the conservative agenda and nothing but,  just went right out the window here?

          He acted out of pure disinterested altruism?  

          I find THOSE propositions fantastical.  The proposition that some segments of conservatism wanted to punt on this one, far less so.  

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:04:31 PM PDT

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          •  I think he has two things pushing him. (4+ / 0-)
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            His legacy is a big concern - will he just be remembered as the ass who turned America into a feudal state?  Heaven Forfend!

            There's a guy in the oval office who probably knows more Constitutional Law than he does, and who speaks very cogently.  The Supremes are currently not wildly popular - do you want to risk your future as Chief Justice?  Since there were no real Constitutional issues here, why stick out your neck at this point?

            You can only get away with purely political decisions from the bench a limited number of times before you risk losing it all.  I think he knows he's there.  When even MSM outlets are criticizing Citizens United, there's a storm of grassroots organizing to get rid of it, and you were just stupid enough to infuriate the States Righters by ruling against Montana you sorta need to come up with something that looks like jurisprudence.

            I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

            by I love OCD on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:29:45 PM PDT

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            •  And I also think that his legal (5+ / 0-)

              reasoning led him there. In the arguments General Verilli was peppered with questions on the taxation power and why it was there at all.

              Justice Kagen started the questions and then Roberts added some of his own.

              I am a lawyer but not an expert on the taxation powers by any means but in reading his decision, I was following his opinion and I could see how he got to the conclusion he did.

              He seemed most impressed by Justice Ginsburg's opinion as he continually referenced it, but ultimately he decided that it should be held constitutional and this was the best way that he saw to do it.

              I don't know in the future how he will decide other issues. But it bears mentioning that it seemed a well-thought out opinion, certainly not one that appeared drug hazed ( as for instance one might gather from reading some of Scalia's recent dissents.) The Citizen's United is a terrible decision. But we shall see what happens in the future. He also decided with the majority that life w/o parole was not constitutional for minors as well just this week.

              Now Alito's dissent in that decision reads like a drugged out psycho!

              In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God ~RFK

              by vcmvo2 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:36:46 PM PDT

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              •  Excellent points. (3+ / 0-)
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                My question with Roberts is always how much he owes his corporate overlords, since many of his findings have no real basis except for protecting corporations.

                That's my bias, and keeps me from looking deeper sometimes.

                I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

                by I love OCD on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:45:26 PM PDT

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                •  That's understandable (2+ / 0-)
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                  I mean Citizen's United is a travesty. There is no legal reasoning there just a desire to reach a specific conclusion. It will not hold up well.

                  This however was well-reasoned and gave me some respect for Robert's training- which previously I had just dismissed. But he showed lawyerly restraint.

                  Alito is following in Scalia's steps, airy fairy sentences with a psueudo-intellectual type discourse with a very loose grasp on prevous decisions.

                  And they both are certain that they are right! Ugh!

                  In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God ~RFK

                  by vcmvo2 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:33:26 PM PDT

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  •  It is fascinating! The stupidity, but especially (9+ / 0-)

    the inability to accept that their ideas may have been wrong or even inferior. The Right just can't cope with the idea that they are not infallible.

    Childish? Narcissistic? Sociopathic? Mass hysterical?

    All that and batshit crazy too.

    I believe in democracy, civil liberties, and the rule of law. That makes me a liberal, and I’m proud of it. - Paul Krugman

    by Gentle Giant on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:43:07 PM PDT

  •  Sheesh, Savage! (4+ / 0-)
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    Yer harshin' mah buzz, dude!

    No one ever died from laughing too often

    by googie on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:43:15 PM PDT

  •  Crimson Opus Dei eating club CT (2+ / 0-)
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    Alma mater    Harvard University
    Religion    Roman Catholic

    slutty voter for a "dangerous president"; Präsidentenelf-maßschach; Warning-Some Snark Above"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Sciant terra viam monstrare." 政治委员, 政委!

    by annieli on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:45:40 PM PDT

  •  Obviously Rheinquist's Placidyl Problems (3+ / 0-)
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    Were OK as long as he was voting right?

    And Bush 1' "Halcion Daze" was responsible for his raising taxes??

    ?

  •  My first guess: (9+ / 0-)

    bath salts.

    It's the only explanation that makes any sense.

  •  Wow - I hadn't thought of that! (7+ / 0-)

    The epilepsy medication explains the Citizens United ruling.

  •  meds (4+ / 0-)
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    but none of this came up when he was up for supreme justice????  He was on those meds at that time.

    •  And it shouldn't have (3+ / 0-)
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      He has not had a seizure since 2007, so it's irrelevant.

      I find this line of questioning disgusting.

      If he had been a diabetic would that lead to some of this nonsense. Controlled epilepsy does not affect the brain. The man is quite intelligent even if we dislike his idealogy.

      Just as people who can't hear are not idiots, people with epilepsy are not stupid. This is a centuries old stigma that led to wholesale warehousing of people in horrible conditions for a medical issue.

      It is revolting. We have treatments now for a lot of medical problems that used to make it impossible for good people to participate in society.

      What would Michael Savage say to a Stephen Hawking?

      In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God ~RFK

      by vcmvo2 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:43:22 PM PDT

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  •  aha! so, prescription med abuse is to blame!! (4+ / 0-)
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    (rolls eyes) just when you thought they couldn't get any crazier than they already are, they come up w/all these tortured excuses.

    it's kinda like the contorted reasoning (?) behind the fast & furious conspiracy which leaves you saying, "huh???"

  •  If ... repeat... IF (4+ / 0-)

    well... that repetition makes all the difference in the world. It stakes out an obviously nuanced and thought out position!

    But and I repeat BUTT I think he misses the obvious... Timothy O'leary planned this all along and replaced Roberts medication with LSD.

    And there you have it folks. It's all been a liberal plot all along and has been going on for decades.

    "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

    by Andrew C White on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:48:24 PM PDT

  •  Oh I get it now ! If the president does it it's (1+ / 0-)
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    OK !
    .
    .
    .
    This is one of the nuttiest nutball theories I've read
    in awhile....

    LOL!

  •  Scalia Sounded Like An Oxycodon Junkie This Week (3+ / 0-)
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    Those wingnut cliches and braying assholery are exactly what you expect from someone that is addicted to prescription pain killers.

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:49:11 PM PDT

  •  Since we're talking about wingnuts (2+ / 0-)
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    And when are we not?

    Here's a nicely written take on the "fleeing Obamacare" meme: Hate Obamacare? Don't Worry, Here Are Some Countries You Can Move To.  Best one I've seen so far.


    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
    Give 'em hell, Barry—Me

    by KingBolete on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:49:50 PM PDT

    •  I think we should offer them the option (1+ / 0-)
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      to become a universal donor (I'm pretty sure they won't like the "Too Stupid To Live" category which is all I can come up with right now).  

      Something on your DL that says you've exercised your right to refuse to purchase health insurance, so in the event you're severely or fatally injured, just park you in the hallway outside the Surgery Suite and start type and crossmatch for people waiting for organs.

      No do-overs.

      I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

      by I love OCD on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:35:10 PM PDT

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  •  Re: Reliapundit (2+ / 0-)
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    Isn't it a little early for Saturday Hate Mailapalooza?

    The most violent element in society is ignorance.

    by Mr MadAsHell on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:50:48 PM PDT

  •  Didn't Savage have an MSNBC show cancelled... (6+ / 0-)

    ...because he told a prank caller to get AIDS and die or something like that?

    I think prank calling a television or radio program is a stupid idea, but telling someone that they deserve contracting an incurable illness is just plain cold and heartless.

    "We don't have government anymore, we have an auction." -Lori Compas

    by DownstateDemocrat on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:52:01 PM PDT

  •  I just saw Roberts, his (3+ / 0-)
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    law clerks, the Supreme Court librarian and staff snorting epilepsy medicine together in the cloakroom of the Supreme Court.  And is they are so slow!  Just sayin'

    “I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.” - Harriet Tubman

    by Publius2008 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:52:05 PM PDT

  •  "Out of character" (3+ / 0-)
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    Exactly within "character" he supported this exactly as he did citizens united. Corporations are people too.

    It actually was the correct decision on constitutionality, you'll never make me believe he reached it because of that fact.

    There are no sacred cows.

    by LaEscapee on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:54:54 PM PDT

  •  Sometimes it's hard (1+ / 0-)
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    to be a wingnut.

    "Differences in political opinion are as unavoidable as, to a certain point, they may perhaps be necessary." George Washington

    by civil wingnut on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:56:02 PM PDT

  •  In Rightwingnutia (2+ / 0-)
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    Most think Obama threaten Roberts kids or something like that.  I want everyone to be very aware that this kind of talk begets horrible acts. I will not be surprised if in the next week there is some bombing or assassination attempt or firebombing

  •  I am just curious (3+ / 0-)
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    If John Roberts regrets being a conservative when he reads that kind of wingnuttery bullshit. I mean to see these kinds of reactions from his own "ilk" has got to be discouraging.

    He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man...Dr. Johnson (HST)

    by mikeypaw on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:56:19 PM PDT

    •  Souter (6+ / 0-)

      Souter wasn't always on the "liberal" wing of the court -

      he moved further to the left the more the right vilified him for making reasonably moderate decisions.  

      Roberts is no Souter.

      But lets see the measure of the man -

      Will conservative back seat driving make him more determined to be independent minded.

      or

      Will he bend over and try to appease.

      I am guessing the first one.

      The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

      by jgkojak on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:59:21 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I wonder what George Dubya thinks.. (0+ / 0-)

      he must get ribbed to death when he goes to Texas Ranger baseball games each night with good ole Noley Ryan about how his Cheif Justice appointee John Roberts betrayed him.Love to be a fly in the vicinity.

  •  Well, if he is unfit to serve (10+ / 0-)

    Then he'll need to be removed and Obama can appt his replacement.  Works for me.

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

    by jgkojak on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:57:20 PM PDT

  •  "Growing estimation" (5+ / 0-)
    there is growing estimation that he did this, uh, for political reasons...
    Nicely crafted!

    Not "growing evidence," because that might allow some troublemaker to ask for the, uh, evidence.

    Instead, a right-wing pundit simply alerting us that the Wisdom of the Clowns is congealing.

  •  What this tells me... (3+ / 0-)
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    First of all, it's 104 here in Atlanta. WTF?!??!?!?!?!??

    What the wingnut reaction tells me is that Reagan and like thinkers (Roberts included) have nothing on today's right wing. Sure, Reagan leaned rightward, but he also worked largely within the mainstream (and this ruling was mainstream). Today he'd have no place in the Republican party.

    Given that Roberts is sort of a Reagan proxy, the ruling reaction proves my point.

    The Constitution is not negotiable

    by Hkingsley on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 01:58:42 PM PDT

  •  zee googles do nothing! (4+ / 0-)
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    My eyes!

  •  Shrug (2+ / 0-)
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    Ya know, I was going to make a long comment concerning epilepsy drugs, various side effects, my husband's experience with them and with seizures that may have caused some brain damage....

    But nothing the least but factual or realistic matters where individuals find themselves in the pits of such irrational fear.

    They see that their privilege will be challenged. They're scared. They're deliberately kept uninformed.

    Sucks to be them, for sure.

    Nobody is normal because everyone is different- my eight year old daughter

    by left rev on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:01:52 PM PDT

  •  If Scalia weren't such a fruit cake (3+ / 0-)
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    and written that CRAZY opinion, Roberts probably would have voted with him.

    So, Righties are mad at the wrong Justice.

  •  The idea of apolitical Supreme Court justices (0+ / 0-)

    doesn't sit well with the Billionaire Cabal. Never mind that that's the whole reason that they're appointed for life. Roberts must be punished with a little taste of the propaganda ray and whatever other tools are at hand.

    Re-elect President Obama because we don't need another selfish President

    by Timmethy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:05:33 PM PDT

  •  Topsy turvey (0+ / 0-)

    Those who are doing victory laps about the decision have no idea they're actually riding ass-backward on an elephant. And conservatives are decrying the decision when it upholds their ideology. Is virtually everyone in this country stark raving mad?

    No more "single payer." No more "universal coverage." Just say, "Medicare for every American."

    by masswaster on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:05:40 PM PDT

  •  This is not meant (4+ / 0-)

    as praise for Roberts but what I believe the wingnuts are so apoplectic about is that Roberts actually considered the law and didn't do what they thought he had been appointed to do, which was to be a dependable right wing vote on every case that comes before the court, like Scalia and Thomas.  They like Thomas, they don't care that he's dumb, his lack of critical thinking skills is a feature, not a bug (thanks Texas GOP for making that so perfectly clear).  As long as he remains ideologically rigid and simply follows along with Scalia, he doesn't need critical thinking skills.

    The fact that Roberts actually used critical thinking skills while deciding this case - rather than doing what Scalia does and use them simply to justify his preordained position - is precisely why right wingers are all angry and upset.

    In other words, they're angry that Roberts didn't participate with the other right wing members of the court in their judicial activism.

    I really enjoy mocking right wingers' utterly conflicting beliefs but the fact that they have no sense of shame takes a lot of the fun out of it.

    Arrrr, the laws of science be a harsh mistress. -Bender B. Rodriguez

    by democracy inaction on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:05:54 PM PDT

  •  can we leave (3+ / 0-)
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    Freddie Mercury out of this??

    ;)

    Just Win, Baby. -- Al Rodgers, Feb. 24, 2012

    by OLinda on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:06:55 PM PDT

  •  MY EYES! Oh My God, my eyes! (0+ / 0-)

    Please dear God where is my brain bleach!

  •  I envy the Justice, (3+ / 0-)
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    If I could only write and reason that well when I'm on my meds.  

    /snark

    ... the watchword of true patriotism: "Our country - when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right." - Carl Schurz; Oct. 17, 1899

    by NevDem on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:10:36 PM PDT

  •  Savage is the asshole (3+ / 0-)
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    who essentially said Autism isn't real.... fuck him.

    The Constitution is not negotiable

    by Hkingsley on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:11:32 PM PDT

  •  Don't forget the numerous blackmail allegations. (2+ / 0-)
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    Wonkette had a doozy of a theory they found on a right-wing blog.

    If anybody recalls the shitstorm that ensued on pro-Palin blogs when Palin announced she wasn't running, similar theories prevailed there too. Proliferating blackmail theories seems to be a typical stage of right-wing grief.

    "A man doesn't save a century, or a civilization, but a militant party wedded to a principle can." - Adlai E. Stevenson

    by Zutroy on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:11:36 PM PDT

  •  Well if they bring this up... (5+ / 0-)

    what do they have to say about Michelle Bachmann who is on medication for severe, debilitating migraines?
    You can't have it both ways.
    What morons!

    Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

    by MA Liberal on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:12:18 PM PDT

  •  The wingnuts are right!!! (4+ / 0-)
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    THEREFORE....he's unfit to serve and should immediately be removed from the SCOTUS and replaced with an Obama nominee ASAP!

  •  One point that they have no idea what (0+ / 0-)

    They are talking about:

    "[T]he reason people are stunned is because what John Roberts did. And there is growing estimation that he did this, uh, for political reasons, and not necessarily to follow the rule of law, which is troubling.
    In upholding the PPACA, he did follow the rule of law. They wanted him to overturn on Constitutional grounds, not statutory.

    Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

    by corwin on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:13:51 PM PDT

  •  Epilepsy may have Influenced his Decision (2+ / 0-)
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    Assuming someone can confirm his epilepsy, maybe Justice Roberts understands about preexisting conditions and the idea of losing coverage.

    •  If he really does have epilepsy (1+ / 0-)
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      then what he's accomplished in life is pretty damn impressive.

      There was a time I wanted to be a lawyer. Eventually I came to my senses and realized: wait, with all these seizures and anti epileptics I can barely remember yesterday; how the hell am I going to remember the intricacies of the law?

      So good for you, Justice Roberts!

  •  Hunter, you realize there is only one meaning (0+ / 0-)

    for suppository? Even the plural. I also think that regardless of whether you knew the true definition, it works quite well...

    It only delayed me from going below the fold. It really is a good thing because for those of us who avoid Savage and others of that troubling mental dysfunction, while keeping track of who is still alive and frothing, we miss specifics.

    Obama cronies threatened to kill Chelsea to keep the Clintons in line?

    Insert Jesus facepalm pic.

    For the record, epileptic drugs do have some difficult side effects for patients. Some annoying (irritability, hostility) and some more serious (anxiety and depression) in behavior areas. Cognitive include diminished attention, executive function, intelligence, language skills, memory and processing speed. Some of these are determined by testing to find the drugs' effects. Interacting with the person and knowing their work doesn't always reveal any of them because of insignificance.

    Almost all are drug and dose related to the individual, with a variety of options to change to. They are nowhere near universal, many epileptics are very high functioning.

    I may have some deep differences of opinion with the man, some of it has implications for how he uses his clearly capable mind, not that it has functional deficiencies, whether or not he is an epileptic on meds.

    "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

    by Ginny in CO on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:18:27 PM PDT

  •  Can I get a side of cole slaw with that TF hat? (0+ / 0-)

    --Enlighten the people, generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like spirits at the dawn of day. - Thomas Jefferson--

    by idbecrazyif on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:21:02 PM PDT

  •  So everyone taking anti-seizure meds (3+ / 0-)
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    should be fired or ignored. Nice.  They don't even know what meds Roberts is taking? Topamax is mind numbing, but Tegretol not so much. And it differs from person to person, so it's impossible to speculate.   In short, shatup iffen you don't know what yer talkin about

    •  Keppra, (2+ / 0-)
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      very decent compared to the rest.

      And she's good at appearing sane, I just want you to know. Winwood/Capaldi

      by tobendaro on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:31:57 PM PDT

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      •  definitely (1+ / 0-)
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        My daughter was switched to Keppra in 2007 and much better controlled with the extended release in 2009. She has been seizure free since. And no, she is not drugged out. The State of Maryland allows her to drive. She sees her neurologist at Hopkins every year.

        I am sure that Roberts has a good Neurologist and since he is controlled it is not one of the uncontrolled epilepsy disorders that destroys people's lives.

        David Axelrod's daughter was born with this variant type of epilepsy and needs medication but her seizures will never be controlled. I have empathy for anyone who has had to live with this disorder.

        But Savage that man is less than a paramecium and not deserving of any kind of empathy for this.

        In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God ~RFK

        by vcmvo2 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:56:44 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Someone said (0+ / 0-)

          he has an interest in young boys or men and that it is stated by himself in letters that are archived.  Someone needs to watch him and catch him doing it.  He needs exposed as the sleazy criminal he is.  
               My son was controlled on Carbatrol but was significantly drugged and slept many more hours than was normal for him.  I had a hell of a time getting him through school in part because of the drugs.  He was weaned off at 16 to see if he had outgrown the seizures and he was not seizure free.  Carbatrol did not then work so Keppra was added.  He went through these years of experimental drinking and partying with not controlled seizures.  He stopped alcohol all together and then stopped all medication because he could not go to work because he was too sleepy.  As of now he is seizure free, off meds and working full time +.  Tests show he is could still have a seizure but is seizure free.  I can't believe it.  

          And she's good at appearing sane, I just want you to know. Winwood/Capaldi

          by tobendaro on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 05:56:20 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  Despicable and hateful! (1+ / 0-)
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    I would ask why they would make such a disgusting lie up like that except that well.. they are Republicans and in the Rovian, Lee Atwater tradition no lie, no calumny, no  stretching of truth, facts or reality is out of range when doing someone in.

    In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God ~RFK

    by vcmvo2 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:24:08 PM PDT

  •  Savage is hopped on on idiocy pills (1+ / 0-)
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    Will Rogers said he never met a man he didn't like, I did, they're called conservatives.

    by CTmoderate on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:27:43 PM PDT

  •  Savage also said -The Dems have dirt on Roberts (0+ / 0-)

    and that is why he  does their bidding. He doesn't want a horse's head in his bed.

  •  Mental derangement. Eating their own. (2+ / 0-)
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    At the slightest provocation.

    Seriously, Roberts' vote has caused these insane wingers to expose themselves, stark naked, as even more repulsive than I could have imagined.

    It's astounding.  I wonder what's coming next...I used to assume there's a maxed-out limit somewhere, but I don't assume so anymore.  They're the full human form of flesh-eating bacteria...resistant to all reason and sanity.

    Apparently Blenn Geck has had a meltdown too, but I haven't fortified my synapses to watch it.

    "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

    by 417els on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:29:55 PM PDT

  •  BTW: Savage's real name is Michael Weiner (0+ / 0-)
  •  While the wingers search desperately for (2+ / 1-)
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    Hidden by:
    vcmvo2

    a rationale that fits their world view (and who would know better than the wingers about drug fueled altered states of reality?), you don't have to be a right wing CT nutter to dismiss Hunter's and Adam B's speculations:

    (paraphrased in accordance with my bytes conservation target goal)

    Hunter: Roberts found within himself a reservoir of compassion for the uninsured and simply decided to do the right thing.

    Adam B: Roberts is a principled and judicious moderate/conservative with a deep and abiding respect for precedent.

    Sorry, I've got to go with Mr. Occam on this one:

    Roberts surveyed the political landscape and acted to advance the electoral prospects of Mitt Romney.

    Scalia, Alito, Thomas and Kennedy were voting to toss the ACA out in its entirety. Had Roberts sided with them, the Republicans would have been branded as the party that took away the individual provisions of the ACA that Americans have come to love and appreciate. Obama and the Democrats would have spent the next four months driving that home as an object lesson in the Republican world view.

    However, having sided with the non-wackjobs on the Court in upholding the ACA, Romney has been thrown a substantial life line. He can keep pretending the Republicans actually have a plan to keep those popular provisions AND get rid of the most high profile and deeply unpopular aspect of the ACA - the mandate. He can talk about letting the market do what it does best, not shackled by the meddling of big government, yada yada yada. And enough of the barely informed electorate will buy into this blather to keep the election competitive. It's worked before, and it might work again.

    So, fuck John Roberts. He made the right ruling, but his motivation was deeply craven and calculated. There is NOTHING in Roberts' background to support the idea that he's anything other than a rigid right wing ideologue, fully committed to protecting the interests of the 1%ers. He doesn't give a rat's ass about "the least among us," and that truth will undoubtedly be reinforced as soon as another landmark case comes before the Court.

    Letting the masses have temporary access to more affordable health care was, in his view, a small price to pay if it increases the possibility of Republican electoral victory. and the subsequent gutting of the ACA.

    One last thought: Fuck John Roberts. (Oh, did I already say that? Well, it bears repeating.) Fuck John Roberts and his transparently false self-characterization of being merely an "umpire."

  •  Clearly, John Roberts... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...is not "really" John Roberts anymore.

    He was replaced by one of those Invasion of the Body Snatchers "pod people".  Anybody can see it, for crying out loud. Where have you ever seen a more fake looking smile on a human being than on the Roberts pod person?

    That smile is simply the pod persons feeble attempt at actually looking human.

    There's been a ton of very reliable reporting that Obama has been working on a very "hush hush" plan in a top secret bunker underneath Area 51 to develop these "replicants" and roll them out as necessary to further his fiendish plot of wrecking the United States, and then of course the world.

    "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

    by jkay on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:46:49 PM PDT

  •  my younger brother has epilepsy (2+ / 0-)
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    he's taken medication since he was a little kid.  it can make him tired some times, but not stupid.

    god i hope someone with epilepsy sees this radio host on the street one day and kicks his ass for this comment

    June 28th, 2012 - a good day

    by Anton Bursch on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:58:45 PM PDT

  •  My first reaction (2+ / 0-)
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    when reading this story is that Judge Roberts has a disability, just like many of the rest of us whom are discriminated against everyday.  This is a fine example of how the right discriminates against someone with a disability, by calling them insane or hyped up on medication, but yet, isn't this the same people who believe the disabled should work and take responsibility?

    They are kind of killing their own message of pull yourself up by your bootstraps when they themselves tear apart someone in power by using that person's  disability as a means to disagree with them and call them insane.  The whole point is no one can reason with this kind of mentality.

    I'm not defending Judge Robert's ideology, I'm simply stating that using one's disability against them is something that happens everyday to disabled Americans and we don't always have the same power and position as a SCOTUS Justice's to fight this kind of discrimination.

    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

    by zaka1 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 02:59:28 PM PDT

    •  How is Roberts able to fight this (1+ / 0-)
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      He is being attacked for his disability because they had to find a "reason" why he is not some kind of principled person or god forbid a moderate.

      No he couldn't have compassion for others since he's a repub so they had to find another reason. DRUGS!

      Does that also explain why he ruled this week that juveniles who commit murder should not be convicted to a life sentence with no possibility of parole.

      Are they overlooking that decision as well or haven't they had time to work that one out as well?

      Republicans have become ugly and stupid people. Just really ugly.

      In our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart until, in our own despair, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God ~RFK

      by vcmvo2 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 04:03:16 PM PDT

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      •  I think perhaps you (1+ / 0-)
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        missed my point, or perhaps I'm missing your point.  Which was that these people will attack anyone including a Justice of the SCOTUS and demean them to justify their unfair and inaccurate judgment of others.  

        I'm disabled myself and have been scrutinized and judged by people, usually Republicans, who think they can make judgments on people who are disabled without ever having to walk in their shoes.  This kind of Republican thinking that Justice Roberts decision is due to drugs is no different than the Republican states that think all poor or unemployed people should be drug tested.

        Sorry if I misunderstood your comment, I wasn't suggesting that Justice Roberts fight this, I was simply saying this is the kind of judgment and craziness that is destroying common decency, respect, and making our society a difficult culture to live in especially if your disabled.

        "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolution­ary act. " George Orwell

        by zaka1 on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 09:53:44 PM PDT

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      •  Small correction (0+ / 0-)
        Does that also explain why he ruled this week that juveniles who commit murder should not be convicted to a life sentence with no possibility of parole.
        He didn't actually rule that way. He ruled that such a sentence couldn't be legislatively mandated. In other words, he ruled that legislatures couldn't take the authority to make that kind of decision away from judges (a group that he noticeably belongs to).

        If you integrate fantasy with reality, you do not instantiate reality. If you mix cow pie with apple pie, it does not make the cow pie taste better; it makes the apple pie worse. --Mark Crislip

        by ebohlman on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:14:17 AM PDT

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  •  is it irresponsible to speculate? (2+ / 0-)
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    it would be irresponsible not to!

    To hell with repeal-and-replace. The president should run on maintain-and-improve.--Pierce

    by nota bene on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:00:13 PM PDT

  •  Victory for America (1+ / 0-)
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    This is a win for common sense, the rule of law, American democracy, and the people of this nation that would have literally been dead if not for John Roberts striking down the most extreme right wing partisans the Supreme Court has ever seen. Health care is a basic human and constitutional right, part of the "happiness" and "life" that our founders promised us we would forever be able to aspire to as Americans. Conservatives are literally screaming to kill that right and kill off the working Americans that depend on this law for their insurance and their access to basic medical care. Conservative thuggery has taken a severe blow...  http://www.sunstateactivist.org

  •  It's not a theory (0+ / 0-)

    It's a hypothesis.  A theory, such as gravity or evolution, has sufficient weight of evidence that it actually is most likely true.  

    A hypothesis is some asinine crackpot conspiracy theory that a wingnut pulled out of his ass.

    Atheism is a religion like Abstinence is a sexual position. - Bill Maher, 2/3/2012

    by sleipner on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:03:14 PM PDT

    •  No, it doesn't come up to the level of (0+ / 0-)

      a hypothesis. A hypothesis is a conjecture (proposed explanation for some phenomenon) that a) is falsifiable (there have to be some circumstances under which it would have to be considered wrong) and b) makes predictions that can be tested (e.g. "being gay is a choice" makes the prediction that "rebellious teenage boys will sometimes screw other guys just to piss off their parents." That particular prediction gets an F- on the test).

      If you integrate fantasy with reality, you do not instantiate reality. If you mix cow pie with apple pie, it does not make the cow pie taste better; it makes the apple pie worse. --Mark Crislip

      by ebohlman on Sat Jun 30, 2012 at 12:21:02 AM PDT

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  •  ignoring the point that it takes weeks to decide (0+ / 0-)

    This ignore the fact that the Justices initially vote the day after oral arguments on which way to rule and then take weeks to write the decisions and go back and forth. So he would have had to been 'hopped' up for months.

  •  but what is $arah Palin's excuse? (2+ / 0-)
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    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    DEMAND CREATES JOBS

    by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:07:11 PM PDT

  •  No "real" conservative would be caught (1+ / 0-)
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    dead watching Aaron Sorkin's new HBO series, The Newsroom, so how come they're pushing the same lame excuse?

     

    Will McAvoy (Jeff Daniels) is the anchor of “News Night,” a nightly news program on the cable network ACN. Over the last few years, Will has become a bit of a joke in the journalism game due to his refusal to take a stand on any serious issue. (Early in the episode, he is called the “Jay Leno of news anchors” because he never offends anyone. Ouch.) At a journalism panel at Northwestern University, Will, backed into a corner by the moderator, unleashes an impassioned diatribe in answer to the question “Why is America the greatest country in the world?”. Will’s monologue is a moment of total honesty and essentially amounts to America was at one time the greatest country in the world, when people were informed and willing to fight for change. That isn’t our country anymore.

    The fallout from his outburst (which he blames on vertigo medication) can be felt almost immediately.

    We must drive the special interests out of politics.… There can be no effective control of corporations while their political activity remains. To put an end to it will neither be a short not an easy task, but it can be done. -- Teddy Roosevelt

    by NoMoJoe on Fri Jun 29, 2012 at 03:38:39 PM PDT

  •  Chief Justice Hughes--CJ Roberts' Meds (0+ / 0-)

    CJ Roberts is on meds all right-- the prescription CJ Hughes pushed in the 1930's. Roberts is an admirerer of Hughes, and like Hughes, he realizes he can't let  the present Mad Nino Scalia bunch like the 1930's "Four Horsemen," constantly overrule progressive congressional legislation. Roberts, like Hughes, reveres the  High Court and doesn't want his legacy in the McReynolds, Butler et al basement. The  Bush v. Gore and Citizens United cases made SCOTUS esteem hit a low 44%, with 75% of the public believing the Justices take their cues from politics, not the law. Now that POTUS won the  SCOTUS fight, he has to constantly counter the  Romney/Rove Tea Party anti-HCR ads and get our base hopping mad  to show up in 11/2012. For more on ACA, CJ Roberts, and SCOTUS, read  this  

  •  Well, does that mean the wingnuts think he should (1+ / 0-)
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    step down, so that President Obama can appoint a new Justice and a new Chief Justice?  Works for me.

  •  We all know what they do best (0+ / 0-)

    Everyone knows that in true Rovian fashion, the right-wingnuts always do bad stuff and then turn around and blame the Democrats for things they themselves do.

    So who was he really talking about here? Cheney? Who did Cheney threaten and why?

  •  I think Roberts met the ghost of xmas future (0+ / 0-)
  •  Compassionate Hypocrisy (0+ / 0-)

    I seem to recall that near the end of his career, Justice Rehnquist went against the right-wing of the court on a medical marijuana case.  It was assumed that he did this out of sympathy for those gravely ill people who require medical marijuana to relieve their suffering, to which he could relate because of his own experience with having cancer.  

    If Roberts has a disability or chronic medical condition such as epilepsy, that could certainly explain why he might be reluctant to make a decision that would deny essential medical resources to millions of people who might have disabilities or conditions similar to his.  

    It is just too bad that leaders on the extreme right can only have compassion for others when it relates to their personal experience.  I'd say it's doubtful that Cheney would support marriage equality if he didn't have a gay person in his own family.  

    It's a sad hypocrisy that leaders on the right can be so indifferent to the struggles of other people, unless they have to face those struggles themselves. The problems of other people just don't matter, unless,of course, they happen to me.

    Still, even if it's hypocritical to find convenient exceptions to your ideology only when you or your family are involved, millions of Americans are grateful that on at least one occasion, Roberts' personal experience gave him the compassion and courage to be a hypocrite.  

  •  Perhaps John Roberts decision was as (0+ / 0-)

    simple as deciding that good health is a fundamental requirement to "promote the general welfare" of Americans.

    If I were a Supreme Court Justice, I couldn't uphold my oath to uphold the constitution of the United States if I voted against a law that promotes the general welfare of Americans.

    Perhaps it is as simple as he was performing his sworn duty.

    Those justices who voted against improving the health care of Americans violated their oath of office and that is something that everyone will eventually realize.

    Perhaps he's that smart.

  •  Keep the Insults Fresh (0+ / 0-)

    In this country having to take medication for head problems is still a stigma. The Republicans want to keep it that way. Vote Full Repeal for 20 more years of cripple jokes and vaccination hysteria.

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