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I have been looking forward to publishing my first diary with KOS.  A lot of stuff has come to mind but the issues around immigration have really been part of my experience for the last twenty years - so I thought that topic ought to first.

If as Mr. Romney thinks, you believe Hispanics other than Marco Rubio are an invasive species, you may also embrace Mr. Romney’s bold immigration plan known as  “self deportation.” Certainly others have pointed out the absurdity of this idea but I would also like to take a whack at it.  As I understand his position on immigration, as expressed in a number of very weird Republican debates; Hispanics will, as they are denied driving privileges, basic social services, and a way to make a living, leave on their own. Thus the term: Self-Deportation.

George Orwell would be proud that such a sterile phrase could be brought to bear on a policy that targets a minority, denies them fundamental human rights, and finally when they are starving – forces them south across the border – into a drug war financed by an American appetite for pot and cocaine, and fought with the American guns.

“SELF-DEPORTATION” …that’s priceless!  

Besides the immorality of the idea, I think the policy of sending a few million 18 to 30 year-old men back to Mexico where the only jobs available are drug smuggling and soldering for rival cartels needs a closer examination.

For now; however, it is the immorality of the idea that challenges my senses. I have been a building-material salesman in the housing industry for almost 30 years. I have watched as Hispanic labor took over the housing industry - and how builders used Hispanic labor to drive the unions out of the industry. And by doing so, drop the associated labor costs for the many of the trades to the bottom of the barrel.  

At the same time that transition was taking place I also witnessed the price (what consumers paid) for housing come uncoupled from the actual cost. We know now that housing prices were driven by a credit glut propelled by complex financial shenanigans that toppled the economy in 2008.  

During the boom years I saw many housing tracts in Northern California where someone who bought a home could sell it a year later for a 10% or 15% gain…and then do again the next year. What made the housing industry particularly profitable to house flippers, builders, and investors (and yes pension funds too) were the double whammy of driving labor costs down to nothing by dismantling unions - and cheap, easily available capital, with no downside risk to the mortgage industry.

But here’s the real kicker: Everyone in the housing industry – and I mean everyone from sales guys like me to the builders and bankers behind the projects knew the labor was illegal. Everyone knew there were document mills pumping out ID’s and social security cards.  When a project needed to move faster, the suits from corporate headquarters just said get more guys – and they knew they weren’t coming from a union hall. Anyone in the industry that claims they were ignorant about the nature of the Hispanic labor– is a bald face liar!

So here we are in 2012 – those that worked the least and made the most are getting a tax cut …and those that worked the most and made the least are getting starved and driven into the teeth of a drug war fueled by American money and guns.

And into the void of such an immoral and racist policy our religious institutions stand deaf, mute, and purposely impudent.  Mormons, Jews. Catholics/Christians, and Muslims; where are their voices? Is it possible the battle to subjugate women requires so many resources our religious leaders have no energy left to defend those who need them the most? I wonder if the men and women that profess to carry the mantle of god are merely a reflection of us…or have they shaped us - to allow their dogma to numb our shame?

Originally posted to galex4life on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 09:26 PM PDT.

Also republished by Baja Arizona Kossacks and TexKos-Messing with Texas with Nothing but Love for Texans.

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  •  When I opened this diary I wondered if you were (11+ / 0-)

    from Northern CA. Framers, roofers - it's all illegal immigrants now. And here is what just rocks my azz - I have a customer, he's a framer / finish guy. He rails on and on about illegals but at the same time, defends his boss for hiring them! Oh, and he hates unions now too. But he used to belong to one. It's insane.

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 09:33:50 PM PDT

    •  Oh and here is the real kicker - while his (3+ / 0-)
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      millionaire boss keeps the illegals working - this guy gets laid off and collects unemployment. This has been going on for like 3 years now. And it's getting predictable - he works this guy until he can collect full benefit - lays him off - brings him back. And while this guy RAILS about illegals he's enjoying the fuck out of getting full benefits to go fishing - cause he sure the hell ain't looking for a j.o.b.

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 09:40:00 PM PDT

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  •  Texas is and was built on the backs of (7+ / 0-)

    illegal labor. I have been mystified at the disconnect between the law and order types and the business leg of the R party. One side wants to run them back across the border and the other can't do without them. I can't tell you how many days I have worked where I was the only man on the crew that spoke Ingles by birth. I personally don't care where they came from as long as they work hard and don't give me shit. It all pays the same. If you show up and work, I will write down the same hours for you as I do anybody else.
    Mitt sees otherwise. But, he never had to sweat a day in his life.

    Putting on the spectacles of science in expectation of finding an answer to everything looked at signifies inner blindness. -- J(ames) Frank Dobie

    by cactusflinthead on Mon Jul 02, 2012 at 10:56:43 PM PDT

  •  Is there a (0+ / 0-)

    point in your diary? I see you are another of those newbies who has been here only seven days. Welcome aboard.

    Everything I read is as old on this site as the Rio Grande itself. Now don`t get me wrong. You are a good writer and write of facts as I know them. However, anything you write, or I write, or anyone writes -- about immigration goes down the drain.

    Here no one gives a shit about that, including me and I am a Chicano, one of last good ones. I admire your courage to bring more light into this shit about abuses of Hispanic and the Self Deportation yadda yadda of Mitt Romney, but if you get at least ten comments to this diary, consider yourself lucky.

    As i said, thank you for writing this. But honestly, there is no point in this topic as I know, here on this site. Not to be mistaken -- you can write anything that you want. I am merely telling you as a  Hispanic, that guilt, or whatever, makes discussions about immigration here pretty shitty. But that is just me thinking out loud.

    Old men tell same old stories

    by Ole Texan on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:04:58 AM PDT

    •  All right Ole Texan (1+ / 0-)
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      Good point about writing something that someone gives a shit about; however, I count as well and I give a shit - so from that perspective, I'm glad I wrote it - and I do have a bunch of comments.

      Also, remember that I'm not trying to say I'm an expert on the subject of immigration. I am only writing about what I see and how it just comes across so morally bankrupt.

      But you said two things - one worth further discussion - First) "nobody gives a shit" That maybe true and you may know more about that than me - and second) "as a Hispanic, that guilt...makes discussions here pretty shitty."

      You got me there - I'm assuming the KOS universe is populated by a majority of white liberals (is that correct?) Is it their guilt or yours for not giving a shit and what makes the discussion shitty - is there a post I can look at to demonstrate this - or is it just a general sense you have about the discussion.  

      By-the-way- that kind of emotion (a general sense or gut feeling) is valid where there are related experiences.  But if you can't point directly at why you think the discussion is 'shitty' you need to think about it - I'm guessing you can be specific about it with some thought. In fact - I think one or two comments I saw to my diary might already answer the question!

      Hey, Ole Texan - I'm following you

      •  galex4life, thanks for (0+ / 0-)

        returning to the scene of the......your diary. It is refreshing to note your interest on immigration and Hispanics as a whole.

        You seem to challenge me to point directly at why I think this "mentality" (not discussion) is shitty. I would need to drive you mad reading the "talking points" about immigration on diaries I don`t care to even count here on
        this site.

        "This country is a country of laws"
        "They came here illegally, deport them"
        "They take away our jobs"
        "They create anchor babies"

        Well, actually I don`t remember reading the anchor babies whistle really, but you get the message of why I think this type of diary here will never get any track, like civil rights, electing better Democrats, and any other stuff not related to immigration.

        Not "most" here on this site think this way. I have been here long enough to know this. And to know I should not accuse anyone of discrimination on this topic. I just tell you what I have read on the above quotations.

        By the way, I was born in this country..the U.S. of shitty A. before many of those who oppose immigration here  on this site, and maybe even before their parents. So I write this with a little bit of knowledge on what the deal is. And I will repeat this. I would care less about immigration. I merely appose oppression of brown people.

        galex4life thanks for following me. I have been on a little slump lately. Rest assured that I will be looking out for you too. Excuse my late entrance again to your diary. I think I said enough for this time.

        As to guilt, it was my arrogant way of saying why I think immigration is a no no here on Dkos.

        Old men tell same old stories

        by Ole Texan on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 05:38:26 AM PDT

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        •  Actually galex4life, there (0+ / 0-)

          is no rule against writing on immigration here on Dkos. I just wanted to clarify my last sentence above. What I meant with "no no" is that the topic is touchy and can get confusing at times.

          But you can write anything you want. I will be counting on  you. I will, I will be there when you do. Noting that you are new here on the sit I thought it important to clarify.

          You just keep writing.

          Old men tell same old stories

          by Ole Texan on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 05:48:19 AM PDT

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        •  You took the challenge (0+ / 0-)

          "This country is a country of laws"
          "They came here illegally, deport them"
          "They take away our jobs"
          "They create anchor babies"

          Yeh that stuff is crap and always a cop-out -

          Plus, I think I'm your age or close.  That fog you see isn't glaucoma  - it's just a lifetime of shitty stuff.  

          See you on the KOS

  •  What Is The Difference? (0+ / 0-)

    Between this:

    Hispanics will, as they are denied driving privileges, basic social services, and a way to make a living, leave on their own

    And this:


    • Accountability for businesses that break the law by undermining American workers and exploiting undocumented workers: Employers who deliberately hire and exploit undocu- mented workers must be held accountable. At the same time, we must give employers who want to play by the rules a reliable way to verify that their employees are here legally.

    A policy of 'self deportation' is no different than a policy of 'go after the employers'.

    I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

    by superscalar on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:55:33 AM PDT

    •  There is no difference (0+ / 0-)

      Stringent enforcement at this point against employers (which I think is your point) is the same policy as 'starve them out' difference.

      Tell me this - if you can close a plant tomorrow and fire every worker and move it to China - why can't we just open the plant to any labor that wants to come from anywhere and work in the plant here.

      Wouldn't it be better to have the plant, the employees, and the money here? If we can't get globalism back in the bottle and our manufacturing sector continues its exodus - isn't the open labor model a better mousetrap?

  •  I live in such a house in Texas (2+ / 0-)
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    Moving to the Houston area from a small town in New Hampshire was a revelation, not the least of which was that I was able to buy a much larger home - brick, tile, granite, the works - for $100K less than the house I sold "up north". How in the world was this possible?

    It didn't take a genius to see that the cost of labor was the key. Our house was one of the first on our street to be completed, so we were able to watch the process unfold as the other homes were built.

    In less time than you'd imagine, we saw the trees cleared, foundation slab poured, framing completed, masonry completed, roof, drywall, flooring, windows, landscaping, and within 4 months or so: voila - another solid and beautiful house ready for occupancy at a price that would astound you.

    You can live large in Texas, and still have money to spare. And yes, as a transplanted New Englander, you can relocate to Texas and thrive politicaly as well as financially. Nobody's more amazed than I am, having passed the 5-year mark in the Lone Star State.

    The "Texas Miracle" wouldn't be possible without immigrant labor, whether in the housing industry or manufacturing, restaurants, landscaping, or other endeavors. Rick Perry may want to have you think it's all his leadership genius, but of course, you know better than that.

    As my realtor noted "We LOVE our Mexicans". Yes, she said "our" Mexicans, a remark that to this day makes me uneasy.

    Thanks for writing this diary. You ask some good questions. I don't have the answers, but I applaud you for delving into this issue, so often misunderstood, ignored, or subverted.

    Keep writing!

    Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

    by cassandracarolina on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:06:09 AM PDT

  •  NOTE TO DIARIST. (0+ / 0-)

    My new friend here at Daily Kos. A piece of unsolicited advise on writing a diary.

    You have do manage your diary!

    People are making comments and you are silent..That is bad my friend. You need to come out and respond to these comments, regardless of what they are.

    Make yourself known by responding to comments that you think are worthy and even if you think some comments are not. You just need to respond.

    Now -- or rest assured that your diary will not meet my personal goal for you to get 10 comments.

    Good luck and again, welcome to Dkos.

    Old men tell same old stories

    by Ole Texan on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:40:19 AM PDT

  •  Republished to TexKos, where we are well (0+ / 0-)

    aware of the paradoxes of immigration and how immigrant labor makes the "Texas Miracle" possible.

    I would echoe the suggestion of Ole Texan that diarist interaction with the commenters is part of the DKos experience that shouldn't be missed. We can all learn a lot when we move from "monologue" to "dialogue" mode in the comments section.

    Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

    by cassandracarolina on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 09:48:31 AM PDT

    •  Advice appreciated and taken on the role of (2+ / 0-)
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      dialogue in dKos. On that note: I love the Woody Allen quote but still find his relationship with a stepdaughter disturbing.  Also, what is TexKos?  

      •  TexKos is one of many groups here on DailyKos (1+ / 0-)
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        open to all. If you click on the orange name of the group below your diary group and above these comments, it will take you to the TexKos page, where you can view the group profile and list of members.  You can "follow" this group, and if you want to join, use the "send a message" function.

        TexKos is a place where we share the quirky things happen in the Lone Star State - good, bad, crazy, entertaining, incomprehensible. There are many other groups here. To explore them, click on "GROUPS" under the banner at the top of any page.

        Some drink deeply from the river of knowledge. Others only gargle. -- Woody Allen

        by cassandracarolina on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 04:59:51 PM PDT

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      •  You'll also note (0+ / 0-)

        that this has been republished to Baja Arizona Kossacks, a group that focuses on issues in Southern AZ.

        The GOP ... Government of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%

        by Azazello on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:00:15 PM PDT

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