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Republican Chris Collins
My jaw just hinged open and didn't want to shut after I read this. Major props to Adama Brown for this find about Republican Chris Collins, running against Democratic Rep. Kathy Hochul in New York's 27th Congressional District:
The healthcare reforms Collins said he would push would be tort reform and open up competition in insurance by allowing policies across state lines.

Collins also argued that modern healthcare is expensive for a reason.

"People now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things," Collins said. "The fact of the matter is, our healthcare today is so much better,  we're living so much longer, because of innovations in drug development, surgical procedures, stents, implantable cardiac defibrillators, neural stimulators—they didn't exist 10 years ago. The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."

As Brown points out, prostate cancer kills almost 30,000 men a year (PDF) in the United States, while breast cancer kills nearly 40,000 women each year (PDF). I'm absolutely dumbfounded, and I hope Hochul hammers Collins to pieces on this. I am a little concerned, though, about the fact that this quote originally appeared over a week ago, yet neither the Hochul campaign nor the DCCC seems to have picked up on it. Fortunately, there's still time to remedy that oversight and make Collins pay for his arrogant ignorance.

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  •  The Big LIE (28+ / 0-)

    Tell it early
    Tell it often

    GOP 101

    Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

    by JML9999 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:32:15 PM PDT

  •  Not in his circles - much (12+ / 0-)

    But if you cannot afford care.....
    Out of touch just like Flipper.

    It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument.

    by GrinningLibber on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:35:07 PM PDT

    •  Even in his circle. (7+ / 0-)

      Breast cancer doesn't discriminate. It takes republicans and Democrats. Same with prostate cancer, even if it's slow going.

      Sure, survivability is better if you get early treatment - but I'll bet that most of his supporters have a friend, a relative who's suffering and/or died of these.

      •  Actually, "early" doesn't make a big difference. (8+ / 0-)

        At least not in breast cancer. Everything depends on tumor biology. Really nasty tumors found early can be more deadly than bigger, lazier tumors found late.

        Damn, this guy's ignorance frosts me. But in a way it's hard to blame him. Many people have believed that breast cancer is "curable if you find it early enough," because the people with the pink ribbons have been lying about that for years. All you see from them are cheerful, happy survivors. You never see the women with metastases, the ones whose cancers kept coming back, who are Stage III or IV and aren't going to make it. Why aren't they going to make it? Because our "better," "innovative" health care still hasn't figured out what to do with breast cancer other than cut it out, burn it and poison it. That's why.

      •  Early also doesn't always make a difference in (1+ / 0-)
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        prostate cancer. After "early detection", my father was first treated with radiation implants in 2001, again with chemo and surgery in 2009, and it finally killed him in 2011.

        I'm one of those lucky homos in a bi-national relationship - at the age of 49, all I had to do was give up my career, leave behind my dying father, my aging, diabetic mother, my family & friends and move to Europe. Easy peasey!

        by aggieric on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:43:17 AM PDT

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    •  I love your name for rmoney (0+ / 0-)

      How can you tell when Rmoney is lying? His lips are moving. Fear is the Mind Killer

      by boophus on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:56:16 PM PDT

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  •  God Bless Chris Collins (9+ / 0-)

    70,000 people saved with just his magic words...

    Netroots Nation: Burning Man for Progressives

    by Gilmore on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:35:14 PM PDT

  •  His right eye is freaking me out. Is he (1+ / 0-)
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    wyvern

    seeing the optometrist as Michelle Bachman?
    ;-)>

    "We're right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo! And somebody's giving booze to these goddamn things!"-Hunter S. Thompson ;-)>

    by rogerdaddy on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:35:23 PM PDT

  •  Someone should ask him: who is "we"? (19+ / 0-)

    Who the fuck is getting all those stents and implantable defibrillators without insurance?

    Fuck. Him.

    "We" are dying. "He", with his lifetime five diamond government paid health insurance, on the other hand, is surviving the inevitable bodily decay rather nicely.

    Fuck. Him.

    •  Section 1312(c)(3)(D) (10+ / 0-)

      Of the decidedly constitutional PPACA:

      (D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.—
      (i) REQUIREMENT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are—
      (I) created under this Act (or an amendment
      made by this Act); or
      (II) offered through an Exchange established
      under this Act (or an amendment made by this
      Act).
      If elected, he's going to have to get his gold-plated healthcare on the same exchange as the serfs, which means that even if they can't afford the same plan they're definitely going to know how much they're paying for him to get it.  O the horror!

      Fake candidates nominated by the GOP for the recalls: 6 out of 7. Fake signatures on the recall petitions: 4 out of 1,860,283.

      by GeoffT on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:46:44 PM PDT

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  •  There is.. (11+ / 0-)

    ..lying as a means to pander, then there is out-and-out insanity.

    Chris Collins falls into the insane category.

    There is no way this wacko should be allowed to hold political office in America.

    Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate. ~ Proverbs 22:22

    by wyvern on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:36:06 PM PDT

  •  What a dumb s**t (24+ / 0-)

    I see people everyday that getting treatment for Prostrate cancer,Why? because I'm on my 12th of 39 proton radiation treatments.
    the other day some of the Republicans were talking in the dressing room about the Healthcare law being upheld . one said the poor had healthcare they could go to the emergency room anytime they wanted to. I asked if i had gone to the emergency room do you think i would be here at MD Anderson now, boy did that shut them up

    •  SUggest to them (14+ / 0-)

      that they should go to the emergency room for their next  proton radiation treatment. See how that works out.

      To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

      by kareylou on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:39:39 PM PDT

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    •  Ask them why (7+ / 0-)

      ...they don't just go to the ER for their proton beam treatments?

      America, we can do better than this...

      by Randomfactor on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:40:10 PM PDT

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    •  radiation treatment (0+ / 0-)

      I think the cure/remission rate for prostate cancer is about 70% in the United States. It is less than 50% in the United Kingdom. So, take your pick. Also, as a vet you deserve a gold plated health plan.

      •  We treat early prostate cancer much (3+ / 0-)
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        vet, wsexson, susanala

        more aggressively in the US than they do in the UK. So a number of the "cures" in that 70% are of cancers that never would have progressed anyway.

        To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

        by kareylou on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 08:00:42 PM PDT

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        •  Huh? (0+ / 0-)

          You really want to use this argument?

          There r people dead kn UK because of the less aggressive
          treatment.

          •  I wasn't passing judgment (0+ / 0-)

            I was just stating a fact. You were too. In the United States we are much more aggressive about PSA screening tests, and about treating rising PSA numbers and very early cancers. We have a higher survival rate, but also much higher rates of side effects of treatment such as incontinence and impotence.
            In the UK they are much more likely to adopt "watchful waiting".

            In addition, the most common statistic cited is "5-year survival". This is a more significant number for fast-growing cancers than it is for slower-growing, hormonally driven cancers such as prostate and some breast cancers. If you detect a very slow-growing cancer early, even without treatment  chances are pretty good that you'll still be alive in 5 years. They should change to 10-year disease-free survival. I don't want to know whether I'm still going to be alive in 5 years; I want to know whether I actually got rid of the cancer.
            Here is an interesting article on prostate cancer and statistics:

            Fact Checker

            To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

            by kareylou on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 06:51:02 AM PDT

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            •  well (1+ / 0-)
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              kareylou

              I understand ur points. I have already had two biopsies of my prostate. My first had one sample come back atypia. The second had no atypia or cancerous.

              Id like to see stats on the 5 out of 1000 who die after broken out someway by those who died from complications of the surgery and those who died simply from the cancer being to aggressive.

              Also my sister passed away from LC at 67 in March and my mom died in the 1970s at 57 from LC. I'm 57 myself.

              •  I'm 53; my boyfriend is 58 (0+ / 0-)

                I have had a hormonal breast cancer and he is currently dealing with rising PSA and enlarged prostate. he hasn't had a biopsy yet. Sounds like you have been there. It's all pretty confusing. Making critically important decisions without enough information, that is.
                I'm sorry about your mother and your sister. I imagine that was difficult.  

                To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

                by kareylou on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 07:33:43 AM PDT

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  •  Then where the hell is my mother? n/t (21+ / 0-)

    "Republicans are poor losers and worse winners." - My grandmother, sometime in the early 1960s

    by escapee on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:38:34 PM PDT

  •  I have several sick friends who will be (16+ / 0-)

    pleased to hear that they are now certain to survive their cancers.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:38:38 PM PDT

  •  Just a guess, but (8+ / 0-)

    perhaps Hochul was too busy selling out Holder and her Party to notice the asshole who is her opponent.  Two idiots -- hard to pick the more stupid one -- ok, medical facts help.

    Vi er alle norske " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:39:26 PM PDT

    •  The day she did that (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Prison4Bushco, Sue B

      I had just received a request for another donation in my mail.
      I had given to her even though I don't live in her district.

      I returned the donation slip with a tart note requesting that I be removed from her list of supporters.  What a crust!  

      No doubt she would be better at the helm than Collins, but she won't bet getting there on my nickel.

      It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

      by Radiowalla on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:02:49 PM PDT

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    •  Since Hochul was redistricted (1+ / 0-)
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      PHScott

      she's turned into quite the chameleon.  Loves the NRA and Tea Party all of a sudden.  It was her stand for Obama Cares and for Soc Security benefits that got her elected.  She seems to have a short memory.

      It's the area east of Buffalo once rep'ed by Mr Chris Lee (the R expert at taking puffed up pix of himself in the mirror to attract ladies on Craigs List in the DC area).

      She wouldn't be getting any money from us either.   Bill Owens, in the Adirondack region is proving to be cut from the same cowardly cloth.   Neither of them have figured out that no matter what they do at this point, the Repigs are going to throw Rove & the Koch Bros at them.

  •  Chris Collins, Honest Republican (3+ / 0-)


    COLLINS: "Remember the Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rule."
  •  My father died (8+ / 0-)

    of prostate cancer a little over two years ago.  My family is healthy and none of us go to the doctor that much - so it was an eye opening experience for me to get a first hand look at health care in this country.  I can't begin to tell you what a horrible experience it was.

    Basically my advise is never ever go to the hospital for anything.  They will kill you trying to cure you.

    •  I guess I must have died three times (0+ / 0-)

      I've had two bouts of pancreatitis  (treated in decidedly second-tier hospitals)  and a coronary bypass done at a world class establishment.  And that doesn't count the non-life-threatening fractures and suture jobs.

      The big fat difference between "second tier" and "world class" was the quality of bedside care. Even so,  it was the City hospital that did the best job of pain management -- even if the ward was 4-to-a-room and "best of British luck getting help with a bedpan."

      My point?

      Basically my advise is never ever go to the hospital for anything.  They will kill you trying to cure you.
      Takes "foolish for want of sense" beyond all reasonable limits.

      Now, there ARE things for which there is no cure ... my mother's congestive heart failure, for example.  There came a point where the hospital would no longer provide mere comfort care ("there are no more medical options going forward") and the available long term care facilities were less-than-ideal where "comfort care" was involved.

      BUT ... the good news, if there was any, was that the actual care my mom got, WITH Teachers' Union health insurance was no different or better than than the Hospital or nursing home care  that people on Medicare only were getting.

      (We want to remember that people on Medicare and Medicaid are NOT "the Uninsured.")

      Now, it would be very nice if Faith Healing really healed.  Or failing that,  if the Health Aliens from  Cocoon real.  It doesn't and they're not.

      But ... under the awful Big Pharama Big Science medical system ... I should have died three times -- and I'm still here.

      I've become a real big believer in having the bi-yearly checkups and taking the cardiac medications.  

      And that's where "Insurance" comes in.

  •  (Video) NY-27: Health Care A Big Issue (3+ / 0-)
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    PAbluestater, RonV, devtob

                                       

    Buffalo, N.Y. (WKBW) – The Supreme Court ruled to uphold most of President Obama’s health care bill, which will become a big issue for the highly publicized race for the 27th Congressional District.

    Both Candidates agree this new law will be a major talking point during their campaign. Democrat Kathy Hochul said the law and the subsequent Supreme Court ruling is a win for Democrats. Chris Collins said it will help his campaign and fellow Republicans come this fall.

    •  Coincidentally, I got an email from Collins... (5+ / 0-)

      recently. You can read the email with my response on top. The email was sent to my official "supervisor" address.

      "I don't have a clue where you got my email address, or why you think I
      would be interested in supporting your candidacy.

      Your complete misrepresentation of the Supreme Court decision shows that
      you are either willing to lie about this decision, or you have no idea as
      to the basis of this decision and therefore little understanding of the
      Constitution. Either choice would disqualify you from service in the U.S.
      Congress.

      Please remove me from your email list.

      On Thu, June 28, 2012 4:23 pm, Chris Collins wrote:
      >
      > Thursday Afternoon
      >
      > Dear friend,
      >
      > The Supreme Court has confirmed what we already knew - ObamaCare is
      > nothing more than a massive tax increase that will hurt hardworking
      > families and continue to act as a wet blanket on economic growth and job
      > creation.
      >
      > Today, I'm asking for your donation of $27 dollars to protect the
      > residents of the 27th Congressional District from this massive tax hike
      > and help end ObamaCare. (http://e2.ma/...)
      >
      > I need your help to stop Kathy Hochul and Barack Obama from raising taxes
      > on thousands of Western New York and Finger Lakes families.Â
      >
      > $27.
      $27 is how we can protect our
      > families in the 27th Congressional District from massive tax increases.
      > When I go to Congress, my first order of business will be to lead the
      > fight to repeal ObamaCare and replace it with common sense solutions that
      > protect seniors and don't crush small businesses and cost us jobs.
      >
      > $27 can get us there. (http://e2.ma/...)
      >
      >
      > Whether it’s $27, or $5, $10, $50 or $100 – anything you can do to
      > help us stop Barack Obama and Kathy Hochul from raising taxes and cutting
      > Medicare by $500 billion is so important. Â Will you consider donating
      > today?
      >
      > There™s so much at stake, and I need your help.
      > Sincerely,
      >
      > CHRIS COLLINS
      > Congressional Candidate, NY-27
      >
      > PO Box 386  | Clarence, NY 14031 US

      > This email was sent to supervisor@johnsburgny.com.
      > To ensure that you continue receiving our emails,
      > please add us to your address book or safe list."

      >

      "I was so easy to defeat, I was so easy to control, I didn't even know there was a war." -9.75, -8.41

      by RonV on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:12:17 PM PDT

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  •  You're quoting him out of context! (6+ / 0-)

    Right before that, he said "Don't write down or otherwise records anything I'm about to say!"

    Romney '12: Bully for America!

    by Rich in PA on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:42:56 PM PDT

  •  Well, let me just say, (10+ / 0-)

    I'm pretty pissed off and very disappointed that Hochul voted
    to hold Eric Holder in contempt, along with 16 other democrats.  I don't care how much the NRA Threatened her, she didn't need to do this.  90% of Americans have no idea this vote even occurred.  And it's now disappearing from the 24/7 news cycle as fast as diaries fall down the list.

    I'm not in a position to vote or not vote for Ms. Hochul.  And even if I was, I'd still vote for her against this ass hole.

    Still, VERY LET DOWN by Hochul---and that said from a darn pragmatic democrat.  

  •  I don't think he was trying to say that (3+ / 0-)
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    Red Bean, Lying eyes, MPociask

    nobody dies, but rather that there are people now who do not die (who would have) due to modern medicine. Obviously he didn't mean that nobody dies of breast or prostate cancer.

    •  Yes, he's saying that people (2+ / 0-)
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      MPociask, doc2

      who would have died from those cancers not too long ago are living. I think if we insist (which I did) that when the president said the private sector is doing fine he meant in a context that was understood we have to give it to this guy that he meant what he said in a context that's understood.

      Republicans say enough noxious, insulting, sick, destructive shit that's genuinely appalling everyday; we don't have to be mortified at this run-of-the-mill misstatement.

      The people have spoken and they're both named Koch. - Andy Borowitz

      by Red Bean on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:59:30 PM PDT

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    •  I'm getting really tired (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Matt Z

      of certain users that feel they have to defend every authoritarian statement.

      Especially when this one is personal.

      The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

      by raboof on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:10:18 PM PDT

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    •  OK, let's give him that. (7+ / 0-)

      I agree, that's what he was saying.  But let's not forget that whatever he was saying, he was saying against the ACA, and coming up with the usual lame solutions of tort reform---LARGELY IRRELEVANT to our health care costs, and the ability to buy insurance over state lines.  Also LARGELY IRRELEVANT to the problems.

      The fact remains that the GOP has no solutions for our health care problems that meet the test of analysis.  And this guy is just one more guy trying to sell a big lie.

  •  My Father (15+ / 0-)

    I don't think I have written here about my father.  He was an enormously kind man with a quirky sense of humor.  He never spoke unkindly about anyone, except for some politicians and I think it was only in the abstract.

    The most amazing thing about him was his endless desire to help people (me included).  He never wanted much for himself, and lived a simple life.  But he was constantly volunteering for some community thing.  Everyone he knew understood that he would always help them if needed.  

    My father died last year of prostate cancer.  I miss him every day.

  •  We have the worst news media (12+ / 0-)

    and this is the evidence of it.

    Movement Conservative Republicans now feel entirely free to rhetorically shit out whatever pops into their heads. From lies, bold-faced WTF lies, to the most gobsmackingly vile nonsense. All at will.

    Between this kind of jawdropping shit, and the LIBOR scandal that is roiling Europe being a complete non-story, it's getting more than embarassing. It's like watching an entire industry have an existential crisis and not realize it.

    I know you can only handle fluffling and playing the false equivalency game with one Republican cretin/idiot at a time, Oh Great Wise and Noble Village, and you are working hard to downplay America's Deadbeat Dad's Tammy Duckworth smear, but this is getting ridiculous.

    I am from the Elizabeth Warren wing of the Democratic Party

    by LeftHandedMan on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:44:58 PM PDT

    •  Yep... (1+ / 0-)
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      Matt Z

      ..if Collins appeared on CNN, Fixed News or the wingnut column of MSNBC, & said, "People now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things" the default response would be:

      "Mr. Collins, that's an interesting accusation, but we'll have to check those statistics."

      Rob not the poor, because he is poor: neither oppress the afflicted in the gate. ~ Proverbs 22:22

      by wyvern on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:52:11 PM PDT

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    •  It's called a sin of omission (0+ / 0-)

      we could shout this shit from the rooftops. If it doesn't get reported, who the hell is going to know about it?
       

      It is time to #Occupy Media.

      by lunachickie on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 08:05:37 PM PDT

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  •  how very Mitt-like (1+ / 0-)
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    I love OCD

    Christopher C. Collins
    North Carolina State University 1972 - BSME
    University of Alabama at Birmingham 1975 - MBA

    "People now don't die from prostate cancer, breast cancer and some of the other things," Collins said. "The fact of the matter is, our healthcare today is so much better,  we're living so much longer, because of innovations in drug development, surgical procedures, stents, implantable cardiac defibrillators, neural stimulators—they didn't exist 10 years ago. The increase in cost is not because doctors are making a lot more money. It's what you can get for healthcare, extending your life and curing diseases."

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:45:31 PM PDT

  •  Honestly, he likely just meant to say (1+ / 0-)
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    Lying eyes

    "as much".

    Doesn't mean it shouldn't be used against him though.

    Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

    by tigercourse on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:46:09 PM PDT

  •  So, any other cancers I don't have to worry about? (10+ / 0-)

    Please, Collins, tell me leukemia and Hodgkin's are off the table too! And bone cancer...oh wait, that just killed my uncle last year. Too bad you didn't say that one, because then I'd have even more proof that you are (a) full of shit and (b) a complete fucking idiot.

  •  Another Republican moron -- qu'elle surprise! (1+ / 0-)
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    lunachickie

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:48:39 PM PDT

  •  Meaningless stat (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    vet

    Unless it offers a measurable alternative, e.g., 'of those 40,000 prostate cancer deaths annually, X% could reasonably be expected to be cured.' Or even, 'there is reason to believe that X% of deaths could be prevented if we did this or that.'

    •  My family doctor (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      devtob, rhauenstein

      has been watching my PSA for several years ,where would I've been if I hadn't had good insurance

      •  Not the issue (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        ebohlman, wsexson

        I'm happy you got your PSA checked and benefited from it. But there is still a question about statistics and population-wide benefits.

        Statistically, the current recommendation of the medical community now seems to be against PSA screening generally:
        "...screening may only help one man in every 1,000 to avoid dying from prostate cancer. Up to five in 1,000 men will die within a month of prostate cancer surgery, the panel said, and between 10 and 70 per 1,000 men will suffer lifelong adverse effects, such as urinary incontinence, erectile dysfunction and bowel dysfunction." http://news.yahoo.com/...

        On that understanding, perhaps it doesn't make sense to do widespread screening. In any case, the original statistic about prostate cancer deaths can only make sense in context. The context here (accepted for sake of argument) says that as a result of screening, one might be saved (but five others will die as a result of having the screening).

        For simple illustration, let's postulate that every one of those 40000 deaths could have been prevented by PSA screening. If that number represents the 1:1000, then in order to forestall those deaths, we'd need to multiply the screening by 1000, i.e. 40,000,000 PSA tests. At $85 (low end) for the test, that comes to $3.4 billion each year for just PSA testing, or $85,000 to prevent each death. If, in reality, only half of those deaths were preventable, your costs just doubled to $170,000 per person, per year. Again, that's just one test for one possibly preventable disease. And if the numbers quoted above hold, while we saved 40,000, another 200,000 died in surgery.

        There are all sorts of assumptions that need discussion and revision about the numbers I've used. But it's only with numbers and contexts such as these that we can form any sort of opinion as to what is or isn't worthwhile to do.

  •  Un-fucking believable... (11+ / 0-)

    My wife had breast cancer, fortunately non-invasive so no chemo, but still requiring radiation, surgery, and Tamoxifen for the next 5 years--and still facing possible recurrence.

    And she now has the wonderful distinction of being forever branded with a pre-existing condition, so absent ACA, if I lose my job and run out of COBRA she won't be insurable.

    A couple years ago my doctor told me I had a tendency toward high blood pressure, not health endangering but that could stand to be lower; she said she couldn't in good conscience put that in my chart because I "would never be able to get health insurance again."  She instead gave me some recommendations on lifestyle changes and recommended that I monitor myself regularly and I made follow up appointments and thank God was able to improve my situation.

    What planet are people like this asshole collins from?

    "When and if fascism comes to America...it will not even be called 'fascism'; it will be called, of course, 'Americanism'" --Professor Halford E. Luccock of Yale Divinity School; New York Times article from September 12, 1938, page 15

    by demongo on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 06:54:50 PM PDT

  •  Who HASN'T lost someone to cancer? (8+ / 0-)

    I lost a friend to breast cancer just a couple of months ago, and I wish she was here to tell this idiot what a moran he is.

    What planet does this guy live on?

    I shall die, but that is all that I shall do for Death; I am not on his payroll. - Edna St. Vincent Millay

    by Tara the Antisocial Social Worker on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:03:44 PM PDT

  •  Is that right? My mom died from... (4+ / 0-)

    throat cancer, you fucking asshole Collins, guess I just imagined that, fucking prick.

    “For the first time in two decades, Osama bin Laden is not a threat to this country.” President Obama 1/24/12

    by BarackStarObama on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:04:38 PM PDT

  •  Well, some people still die of (2+ / 0-)

    The Stoopid.

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:05:01 PM PDT

  •  And what did my best friend die of? (3+ / 0-)
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    The sniffles?

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:08:21 PM PDT

  •  stupidity kills millions every year. /nt (4+ / 0-)
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  •  Republicans say the darndest things. (1+ / 0-)
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    Repubs' 1st priority will be to gut the EPA. Count on it.

    by marabout40 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:09:08 PM PDT

  •  Yeah, Chris, would you explain to my (5+ / 0-)
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    niece that her mom isn't dead from breast cancer, it was just a natural death at age37.

    Fuck him, fuck them all.  This actually makes me angry enough to want to hurt him really badly, somewhere in the no cancer havin; prostate area.

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:11:44 PM PDT

  •  If you didn't understand what lunatic really (4+ / 0-)

    meant, we are seeing and hearing from them everyday. Here is another one. These lunatics will bring the country down if we don't stop them. They aren't interested in common sense, what's right or wrong, but are determine to have their way regardless of any consequence. They are enjoying it for now.

  •  Progressives, and the media, need to... (5+ / 0-)
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    ...do a better job informing the public that the Health Care Industry is not the same thing as the Health Insurance Industry.

    Doctors, nurses, hospitals, drugs, advancements, quality care, all the things connected to the actual providing of actual medical services.... That's the Health Care Industry.  And nobody denies that it is unrivaled in its advancements, and competence.

    However, all that should be seen as separate from the Health Insurance Industry, who are the greedy, bean counting, death panel companies that control, and limit patient access to the wonderfully awesome Health Care Industry described above.  If these "gatekeeper" companies were to be replaced by a Public Option, or Universal Medicare, it would have zero effect on the quality of healthcare as it is practiced by doctors and hospitals. It would only replace an irresponsibly broken, profit-driven insurance scheme, with a non-profit system run by people who are not chasing 7 figure bonuses, that come at the expense of the patient.

    Health Insurance interferes with, obstructs, and limits, Health Care.

    The enemies of ObamaCare will constantly seek to blur the line between the Insurers (the problem) and the Providers (not the problem). They're scared to death that Americans might someday figure out that neither State Farm, WellPointe nor Aetna have anything to do with curing sickness, or performing surgeries, any other actual medical services. But rather profit from denying those services from people who can't pay the prices they set.

  •  People don't die from Breast Cancer??? I'd tell (2+ / 0-)
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    that to my Mom's best friend, but she died of breast cancer a couple of years ago.

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy;the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness

    by CTMET on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:27:55 PM PDT

    •  Men get breast cancer, too (0+ / 0-)

      Guys, you should check yourselves. Parents. tell your sons...

      People with hatred in their hearts never live up to their full potential. It's very sad.

      by Nelsons on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:29:55 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Sorry, my comment was not meant as a reply to you (0+ / 0-)

      My comment about men developing breast cancer was meant as a general comment to the diary at large. So sorry for the loss of your mom's friend.

      People with hatred in their hearts never live up to their full potential. It's very sad.

      by Nelsons on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:34:43 PM PDT

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  •  People not covered didn't enter this little (0+ / 0-)

    nasty guy's mind. Who are all these people I see dying of cancer? People with little or no coverage, who found they had cancer, and it was too late. Actually what he said makes it clear, ACA could have saved some of their lives and that's what's so cruel about it. You can live if you have the money, the technology is there, but it's just for people like this arrogant lunatic.

  •  Sounds like he needs a prostate exam. (0+ / 0-)

    Is that fake German doctor from CBS available?

  •  Ben Davidson (0+ / 0-)

    Ben Davidson, a towering pass rusher who wore a handlebar mustache and terrorized Raiders opponents in the 1960s and early '70s, died Monday night of prostate cancer. He was 72.

    And I would think he had health insurance as well as Medicare.

    (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

    by PJEvans on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 07:59:00 PM PDT

  •  Unbelievably ignorant (0+ / 0-)

    people like this should seriously never, ever be permitted to hold public office.

    Most people would think that, if they heard this guy go on. My God, this is a major gaffe--these two cancers have affected millions and anyone not living under a rock in America gets that.

    Ergo, now you know why The Media (tm) hasn't reported on His Stupidship. The People must never understand fully, exactly what kind of idiocy has permeated their government.  

    It is time to #Occupy Media.

    by lunachickie on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 08:13:47 PM PDT

  •  Not only this ... (0+ / 0-)

    but leaving it up to the so-called "free enterprise competition" for goods and services in the marketplace has totally screwed the middle class. The big boys all carve out their territories and hike prices to make themselves billionaires -- all off the backs of the real American people -- the people who do the real work in this country, trying to scrape together a living and make ends meet on the peanuts the royalty decide to throw our way. Pathetic.

    Now THAT's the president I voted for!

    by RevJoe on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 09:14:21 PM PDT

  •  As the friend of a man (0+ / 0-)

    who is in Stage 3 prostate cancer -- and has No, Zero, Zip, health insurance b/c he was working in a restaurant before he was diagnosed -- all I can say is,

    [redacted]

    May someone near and dear to that politician die a horrible death with no insurance coverage.

    To make the argument that the media has a left- or right-wing, or a liberal or a conservative bias, is like asking if the problem with Al-Qaeda is do they use too much oil in their hummus. Al Franken

    by Youffraita on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 09:37:37 PM PDT

  •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

    People don't die from Breast cancer?  Then I guess I was worried about my mother over nothing a year ago.  

    (She's doing fine, but still.  This is a despicable comment)

    If you listen to fools, the Mob Rules

    by CO Democrat on Tue Jul 03, 2012 at 10:17:08 PM PDT

  •  Two years ago we (0+ / 0-)

    had a friend die in his 50's from breast cancer.

    Ask Tom's wife & two teen children how curable it is.  

  •  Chris Collins is an . . . (0+ / 0-)

    . . . idiot.

    In case you haven't already worked this out, Chris Collins batted way above his natural average when he came in at the the end of the tired Gorski administration as the Erie County Executive in 2007.  "Undistinguished" best describes his tenure.  He was un-elected in 2011.

    Collins is remembered for an obsession with the Six Sigma management standards methodology (saves having to actually think about a problem), almost killing the public library system (community cuts were brutal) and some questionable procurement contracts (taking care of his friends.)

    But let's not forget Collins' legendary October 2009 quote comparing Sheldon Silver, then NY Assembly Speaker, to Adolph Hitler and declaring him as the "anti-Christ" at a speech to an Erie County Republican Party dinner while attempting to establish his credentials to run for the GOP nomination for NY Governor.  According to published reports, "nobody laughed in the room".  Downstate support for the "Collins for Governor" ticket is rumored to have evaporated soon thereafter.  Collins went on to not win the nomination.

    Collins is a classic bottom-feeder capitalist with a long list of busted companies that he has snapped up and squeezed the last financial rites from along the way.

    Dem incumbent Kathy Hochul won a special election a year ago to replace yet another GOP "businessman" (actually a kid born lucky to a successful industrialist father) named Chris Lee.  Lee was a part-time Congressman and a full-time seeker of NSA sexual thrills via his lewd photographs posted on the internet, before he resigned his seat to seek the forgiveness of his wife and family (who quickly fled to Florida) for his "indiscretions".  Classy act.  Gone and forgotten.

    Collins is a candidate for NY 26th with plenty of extra luggage.  But then so were ex-congressmen and now lobbyists Bill Paxon and Thomas Reynolds, preceding the regrettable Chris Lee.

  •  Effing bastard. Just over a year ago, (0+ / 0-)

    my father died - from prostate cancer.

    I'm one of those lucky homos in a bi-national relationship - at the age of 49, all I had to do was give up my career, leave behind my dying father, my aging, diabetic mother, my family & friends and move to Europe. Easy peasey!

    by aggieric on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 12:39:48 AM PDT

  •  Two dear friends died of breast cancer (0+ / 0-)

    As well as my aunt.  My beloved uncle Oscar died of prostate cancer.  What fantasy land is this moron living in?

  •  I just posted it to my Facebook page (0+ / 0-)

    I suggest others do so as well.  This man is too ignorant to go outside without a keeper, let alone hold public office.

  •  OH the horror (0+ / 0-)

    Another gaffe!  Yes, my father died of Prostate Cancer 6 years ago, this is bullshit.

    But when are Democrats going to take on the crap Republican health care policies?  We keep saying they don't have one.  That's not true and Collins just told you what it is.  It's that we can solve the problems of health care by allowing the "sale of insurance polices across state lines."

    Bullshit, you say, like a loyal Democrat, and you're right.  But do you know WHY it's bullshit?  Can you make the argument on why that's not good policy?  You can be forgiven for not knowing because mainstream Dems refuse to talk about it, preferring to let stand the not quite true idea that the GOP has no policy.

    First of all, nothing stops the selling of insurance across state lines.  Think Blue Cross or United Health Care is just in your state?  Oh, right.  So what the hell ARE Republicans talking about?  

    "Selling insurance across state lines" is a euphemism for doing away with all state regulation of insurance.  Does your state mandate better coverage than Mississippi mandates?  Probably. Does your state have a bureau of insurance to which you can complain when an insurance company unjustly refuses to pay a claim?  Mine does, and I've used it twice to recover money for outrageous evasions by the insurers.  Most people don't even know such an agency exists and are amazed when I tell them about it.

    But under "Selling insurance across state lines", all that goes away.  States would not be able to say that "this scam you're running down in Arkansas doesn't count as "insurance" and we won't allow you to sell it in our state unless you do A, B ,C, D, E F, and G."  It means depriving states the right to protect the insurance consumers of their state.  

    Why don't we talk about this more?  Why don't we attack this GOP talking point instead of ignoring it?

    sTiVo's rule: Just because YOU "wouldn't put it past 'em" doesn't prove that THEY did it.

    by stivo on Wed Jul 04, 2012 at 05:44:51 AM PDT

  •  My husband was diagnosed with testicular (0+ / 0-)

    cancer in '81.  In 27 year old men that was very rare back then, yet there were 4 cases in this county that year-one victim was 17.  They treated my husband with cobalt radiation then.

    They discovered with cobalt that cancer came back later in life super aggressive.  He never stood a chance, especially since his records were "lost" and they could not do any form of radiation again.

     The original cancer is no longer uncommon.  Breast cancer is actually more common in middle and upper class women-its just that poor women don't get detected as early or get as good treatment.

    The bottom line is teatment may have evolved-but so hasn't the disease.  You will have that when poisoning your enviroment has a positive cost/benefit analysis where your priorities are concerned ($) and besides you aren't dumping where you live because you can buy your way out of shared air, land, and water-right?

    BTW-cancer is a horrific death and it leaves your family financially devastated even if you do have decent insuance.
     

  •  I am so angry with this; I may not be articulate (0+ / 0-)

    I am currently recovering from my second lumpectomy in 10 days. My breast cancer was ONLY detected because I had a mammogram. I'm 41. This was my first mammogram ever. I had no lumps or tumors that could have been detected through a breast self-exam--only a bunch of teeny, malignant calcifications throughout my right breast. Even though my cancer was early-stage, and my surgeon got it all (well, after the second surgery), and it has not spread to my lymph nodes, I shudder to think where I would be if I'd put that mammogram off for another year. Or five years. Or ten.

    I am lucky, lucky, lucky--not only that they caught the cancer early, but that I have excellent health insurance that will help shoulder the burden of the outrageous expense of treatment. I've been getting the EOBs from my insurance company daily (and the first bills are starting to trickle in), and I'm absolutely shocked by the 'actual' costs. $5000+ for the biopsy. $26,000 for the hospital ALONE (and that was for surgery #1). I still have to go through 6 weeks of radiation and I have no idea how much that's going to cost. Lucky again--we had some savings that will let us pay for these bills, and other related costs: extra childcare for my little girls while I go through treatment (since my husband can only take off so much time from work), helping my mom pay for her plane ticket to come down here and stay for two weeks, etc. Unfortunately, we just had to buy a new air conditioner on top of this, so I don't know how much of our savings will be left when all is said and done, but since my husband and I are both secure in our jobs, I know we can build it up again. The fact is--we don't really have to worry about it.

    How many women in America aren't as lucky I am? How many have no access to preventive care? How many, if they are diagnosed with cancer, will be able to afford these wonderful new treatments that are available?

    How can anyone, in good conscience, object to the ACA?

    These people have no souls.

    •  gop (0+ / 0-)

      Hope all goes well for you.

      IMO at least 1/3 of the country are superimposed buttholes.
      They got their ins. the hell with everyone else.

    •  I know. (1+ / 0-)
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      I have Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia.  I am fortunate to have one of the best doctors in this disease within 2 hours of where I live.  I am currently on a trial drug.  I owe the hospital over $2,000 and the physicians over $1800 just from the first day of treatment and still going plus cost of traveling.  I look at the EOB's in amazement.  But if I didn't have insurance, I wouldn't be getting the trial drug, which seems to be working.  I would be lucky to get chemo.  I can't see how I could refuse people having a chance to the same level of care I am receiving or any treatment at all.

    •  Stay strong.... keep positive. (0+ / 0-)

      Up to 40% of solid tumor cancer surgical procedures require a second procedure due to "positive margins."  That's an additional  80,000 breast cancer procedures a year in the US alone.

      "Positive" sounds so good, but it means the surgeon couldn't discriminate the tumors and metastases from your good tissue so the histopathology study revealed the resections had cancer.

      We're working to improve the need for repeat procedures to less than 10% but the technology for improved non-invasive (no radiation, no X-rays, no gadolinium, no MRI) imaging during surgery is still in first-in-human trials due to lack of funding and investment here in the US. About 3 years away from regulatory approval in Europe, 7-10 years in US.

      We can get zillions for investing in mobile / social / game apps, but nothing for improved cancer imaging due to the long approval process.

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