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I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that it's not intentional, but as a history buff I nearly sprayed tea all over my screen this morning when I saw an anti-abortion poster which contained a German Wolfsangel. It's a symbol in wide use by neo-nazis today.

A diary by Sasharusa sent me to a website called "Checkmate, Pro Choicers," a right-wing misinformation Tumblr. The diary was asking for help fighting these guys. I was scrolling through when I saw a particularly hideous poster with a Wolfsangel in the bottom corner.

I found the organization who made the poster, which is calling itself "Abolish Human Abortion." They want to call themselves "abolitionists" and they draw a ton of false parallels between themselves and the Abolition movement active in the early modern United States.

I checked out the group and it seems like all they do is make posters. So I fired up MSPAINT and made one too:

A note: when I say that the other groups using this symbol are Nazis I mean that this symbol was used by both the Netherlands Nazi Party (Nationaal-Socialistische Beweging in Nederland) in the 1930's, and by SS units. The SS was the armed wing of the Nazi party. The ADL's "Hate On Display" page has a section on the Wolfsangel and its use by Neo-Nazis. They point out that the current logo of the Aryan Nations is based on a Wolfsangel.

I doubt, I very seriously doubt, that there is more to this than the fact that conservatives really suck at history. I really want to believe that there's nothing to this at all. But I've spent a lot of time studying white nationalism in the United States and UK. There's a real move towards crypto-fascism and crypt-racism in both the US and the UK.

One of the problems with crypto-fascism is that once you realize the lengths that white nationalists will go to try and get their views accepted by the mainstream, you start seeing Nazis everywhere. Remember when that republican woman said that the marriage equality ban in North Carolina would "protect the caucasian race?"

That's a kind of cryptofascist lie you might find if you went to read white nationalist literature from American Renaissance or Stormfront: The conspiracy theory is that abortion and homosexuality were invented as a way to decrease white births, and thus help destroy "the Caucasian race."

So when you see a fascist symbol being used in an anti-abortion context, you really have to wonder if there isn't something more going on.

There is a piece of evidence which suggests that they don't know anything about symbols. They have a page discussing the significance of the symbol where they fawn over themselves about how awesome and clever they are, just like the Anti-Slavery movement. The self-congratulatory nonsense is strong on this page, so have a barf-bag handy if you're going to read it. At the end, they're trying to get people to embed the symbol on all of their facebook photos. I don't see anything overtly racist in what they're writing other than the idea that women having access to birth control is just as bad as slavery. Leaving THAT pile of crazy to the side, there's no other racist content which might suggest that they're Nazis.

I'm probably wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Dailykos being a fact-based and reality based community, I thought I might throw this out here and see what you folks make of it.

What say you, Kossacks? Am I seeing things?

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  •  Tip Jar (16+ / 0-)

    An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

    by OllieGarkey on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:01:03 AM PDT

  •  All I see is a couple of A's (one upside down) (3+ / 0-)
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    separated by two diagonal lines.

    Because stupid people are so sure they're smart, they often act smart, and sometimes even smart people are too stupid to recognize that the stupid people acting smart really ARE stupid.

    by ZedMont on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:04:53 AM PDT

  •  You are seeing things. (6+ / 0-)

    It's two A's with an H inbetween. It is slightly similar, but there is far more to hate about these kind of groups without jumping to these kind of conclusions.

    I hated Glenn Beck before it was cool.

    by ChrisFromMaine on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:16:00 AM PDT

  •  They are trying for a clever logo (5+ / 0-)

    Abolish
    Human
    Abortion

    The symbol is two A's, instersected by an H. Very minimal resemblance to your nazi symbol.

    from a bright young conservative: “I’m watching my first GOP debate…and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!”

    by Catte Nappe on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:20:25 AM PDT

    •  The H also looks like an "unequal" symbol as well. (2+ / 0-)
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      As far as logos go, it's actually pretty good in terms of communicating.

    •  And the color scheme wouldn't mean anything either (0+ / 0-)

      Sure ... there's probably a sound neuroscientific reason why artists working for Authoritarian causes tend to use the red-and-black color scheme ...

      Oooops ... the ad used a Brown and black color scheme ... the red and black was the commentary  on it

      So ... how about this ...  BROWN is the color the Europeans most associate with the nazi movements  as in :  "In Bavaria (in 1938) you were Brown or you were Red, and we certainly weren't RED."

      Any stick will beat a dog

  •  doesn't look like it, no. nt (4+ / 0-)
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  •  I would be willing to bet that they do not (4+ / 0-)

    realize how closely their symbol resembles a nazi icon.  I'm not Romney, so I wouldn't bet $10,000.00, but maybe $10.00.  Two thoughts:  

    1.  The Conservatives have a propensity to not understand their own messages, symbols, word choices, etc.  Remember the "tea baggers?"  And we chortled because, come on, who would publicly choose to use those words to describe oneself?  

    2.  People are often subconsciously attracted to symbology.  Advertisers spend ungodly sums of money capitalizing on this, making sure a product's "look" is just right to attract its target market.  Colors, geometry, symmetry, font choice, etc. all evoke different responses in different people.  This anti-choice group might have designed their logo with opposing As as an homage to the antislavery movement, but subconsciously they arranged them into a semblance of a nazi icon because, well, they subconsciously LIKE what that represents.  

    "When I give food to the poor they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." Dom Helder Camara

    by koosah on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:26:39 AM PDT

  •  I tend to agree with your evaluation. (5+ / 0-)

    It may be an innocent use of 2 As...but the diagonal and the slashes indicate something else to me. The neo-Nazi groups have been trying to insinuate their views into more mainstream acceptance....and really have taken over the NRA which once (in the 50s) used to be pretty apolitical.
    It is amazing how much pro "white" comments are being heard nowadays...as compared to a few years ago (pre GWB).

    Like you, I would hope it is all innocent, but I do see a sinister trend in our society which seems to have embraced the Scrooge syndrome of "Let 'em die!"

    Character is what you are in the dark. Emilio Lizardo in Buckaroo Bonzai

    by Temmoku on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:29:12 AM PDT

  •  No, they're not using a Nazi symbol. (2+ / 0-)
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    You're seeing things that aren't there.

    "They are an entire cruise ship of evil clowns, these current Republicans"...concernedamerican

    by Giles Goat Boy on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 08:39:35 AM PDT

  •  I don't think it's intentional, but (3+ / 0-)
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    it could be subliminal.  They may have seen the symbol somewhere in an unrelated setting and somehow that particular image has made its way into their silly logo, AHA.

    The thing is, if you saw it, so will lots of others whose interest in Nazi symbols may not be as academic or innocent as your own.  Could be interesting as time goes on....

    -7.62, -7.28 "Hold fast to dreams, for if dreams die, life is a broken winged bird that cannot fly." -Langston Hughes

    by luckylizard on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:02:43 AM PDT

  •  Probably not intentional, but... (1+ / 0-)
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    I'm inclined to doubt that the symbol was adopted intentionally by the group. And while it's possible that the designer knowingly appropriated a Nazi symbol, it's more likely that it was simply a matter of cross-pollination.

    There was a time when the lightning bolt was everywhere in the world of heavy metal. Some of that was intentionally derivative of (neo)Nazi imagery (and granted, there has been a history of association between neo-nazis and certain metal bands), but for the average teenager writing everything in lighting bolts, they were unaware of their homage to the Waffen SS. (I've seen black people back home displaying confederate flags without knowing that they were anything more than generic "rebel" flags.) On the other hand, many 'white nationalist' groups who chose heavy metal-style imagery did so fully aware of what they were doing.

    I have always found the AHA symbol to be disquieting specifically because it seemed evocative of Nazi-style imagery.

  •  what is the origin (2+ / 0-)
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    of the group, where is it based, and whose money is funding it? That might tell you a lot about its mindset.

    I tend to agree with others who say it could be subliminal or because of an attraction to authoritarian symbols, but not a good logo in any event.

    Dream as if you’ll live forever. Live as if you’ll die today. -- James Dean

    by Mnemosyne on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:49:28 AM PDT

  •  Official Abolish Human Abortion Admin here (1+ / 0-)
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    I can confirm that it the symbol has nothing to do with Nazism. We officially and unofficially, categorically detest all the distinctives of Nazism, including but not limited to racism, anti-Semitism, inclination toward mass murder, and megalomaniacal lust for power.

    We are servants of the Lord Jesus Christ and are comprised of people of all ethnicities, languages, and skin color. Many of us have adopted children of a different ethnicity and skin color and children of "mixed" ethnicity, and we love them all.

    Any other questions for me? Post them here. I am glad for the opportunity to clarify that in NO way are we affiliated with or supportive of Nazism, neo-Nazism, or anything close.

    -Rhology
    AHA Admin

    •  You registered here three years ago... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...and this was your first comment?  

      I guess there's something to be said for getting the feel of a place before jumping into the fray.  

      •  haha, yep (0+ / 0-)

        I have a lot of other Interw3bz irons in the fire, really, so I never got around to posting here.  But I figured that if there were ever a time to login, now would be it!  

        •  And now that you see what other people think, (1+ / 0-)
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          are you going to continue using the symbol, knowing that it can and will be misinterpreted, or are you going to look for something that's innocuous?

          If it's
          Not your body,
          Then it's
          Not your choice
          And it's
          None of your damn business!

          by TheOtherMaven on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 01:14:22 PM PDT

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          •  No, we figure reasonable people can read... (0+ / 0-)

            ...and that they won't think that we're neo-Nazis, especially since we have pictures of mixed-race babies with their adoptive parents all over our site.

          •  Oh, and the baby's body is not the mother's body.. (0+ / 0-)

            ...so your tagline is completely irrelevant to the abortion debate. If that's what you were referring to.

            •  ugh (2+ / 0-)
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              so how is it going to survive without the mother's body

              hmmmmmmm

              go build an artificial womb

              •  LOL so "located inside the mother's body" is... (0+ / 0-)

                equivalent to "being a part of the mother's body" in your world, eh?

                THINK PEOPLE.

                http://blog.abolishhumanabortion.com/2012/07/neo-nazi-no-anti-choice-wait-what.html

                by Rhology on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 01:59:37 PM PDT

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                •   what? are you saying it's not a part of her body? (2+ / 0-)
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                  it's not in there doing nothing.

                  it is growing, using her blood, her nutrients, her very breath to survive.

                  otherwise anyone who didn't want to be pregnant could simply remove it and have it develop outside the uterus

                  •  So, different DNA, different body parts... (0+ / 0-)

                    Equals same body?

                    Yeah, not really.
                    If the fetus is a part of the mother, then the parts of the fetus must be parts of the mother. But in that case, every pregnant woman has four eyes and four feet, and half of all pregnant women have penises! Clearly, the absurd conclusion came from the false premise that the fetus is only part of the mother.

                    The baby has different DNA, brain waves, blood type (often), organs, preferences, reflexes, nervous system.

                    Can you think of any other part of the woman’s body that develops over the course of some months in that  way and then emerges of its “volition” as a fully autonomous other? Do baby teeth and hair really compare?

                    What other part of your body has different DNA than the rest? Right, no other part.

                    Many post-abortive women experience significant emotional and psychological trauma. Is the same thing true of those whose wisdom teeth are removed? Who have appendectomies?

                    http://blog.abolishhumanabortion.com/2012/07/neo-nazi-no-anti-choice-wait-what.html

                    by Rhology on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 03:39:52 PM PDT

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                    •  Whooie! (2+ / 0-)
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                      You plantation owners sure do get mighty persnickety.

                         

                    •  go away. you are seriously not welcome here. nt (1+ / 0-)
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                      •  I know my arguments make you uncomfy. (0+ / 0-)
                        go away. you are seriously not welcome here.
                        And people wondered why I didn't comment for three years.
                        Yep.

                        http://blog.abolishhumanabortion.com/2012/07/no-seriously.html

                        by Rhology on Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 08:49:19 AM PDT

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                        •  you are no more a servent of (1+ / 0-)
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                          jesus of nazareth than you are of your artificially created character that you use to justify the deaths of women who face that certainty over pregnancies gone wrong.

                          you are no servant of jesus of nazareth when you claim that YOU hold all the answers and demand others follow in YOUR doctrine.

                          We are servants of the Lord Jesus Christ and are comprised of people of all ethnicities, languages, and skin color. Many of us have adopted children of a different ethnicity and skin color and children of "mixed" ethnicity, and we love them all.

                           

                          i suggest you go back and actually read the words of jesus of nazareth and you'll find his compassion for the care of those around him far surpasses your narrow obsession - an he doesn't judge.  (except for the pharisees, of course).

                          and, it would seem your group is seriously connected to the sadduces.  too bad you didn't pay more attention to what jesus of nazareth tried to teach - oh, and HIS word was continued by the essenes - a group you could do well to study.

                          now, how about going away for another three years and immerse yourself in some serious study outside the little group of narrow minded interpreters and distortions that come from right wing politicians.  you might just find yourself open to changing your views.  start here:
                          jesus and the essenes - googled for a start on your education

                          •  Yeah, I've read quite a few of Jesus' words. (0+ / 0-)

                            Like all of the ones available to us. Many, many times.

                            you'll find his compassion for the care of those around him far surpasses your narrow obsession - an he doesn't judge.
                            Of course it does. Everything about Jesus far surpasses me.
                            What you need to show is that the compassion I demonstrate is morally inadequate, though, so you still have your work ahead of you.
                            Who says I'm "obsessed" with this? You don't know anything about me. So judgmental!
                            When's the last time you read Matthew 7? Jesus spends 30+ verses telling us exactly how it is we are supposed to judge, so you just get it wrong here. My guess is you're quite unfamiliar with the Bible, sadly, but I commend it to your reading. It's really quite good.
                            your group is seriously connected to the sadduces
                            Mmm, not really. We neither hold to Old Testament only nor reject Jesus' teaching about Himself nor deny the future resurrection.
                            immerse yourself in some serious study outside the little group of narrow minded interpreters and distortions that come from right wing politicians
                            Oh ye of great bias! Maybe check my blog to see a great deal of evidence of just how much I have exposed myself to other worldviews.

                            http://blog.abolishhumanabortion.com/2012/07/no-seriously.html

                            by Rhology on Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 12:40:36 PM PDT

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                          •  I have, and it's not much (1+ / 0-)
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                    •  This post-abortive woman has experienced (0+ / 0-)

                      significantly more emotional and psychological trauma from the birth and raising of her twin sons than from her abortion.

                      Anyone in your compassionless group ever talk about THAT?

                      •  Yes we do talk about that. (0+ / 0-)

                        How do you know we are compassionless?
                        Did you just say that because you disagree with us, that tiny humans shouldn't be murdered, and you just felt like lashing out in ignorant bias?

                        http://blog.abolishhumanabortion.com/2012/07/no-seriously.html

                        by Rhology on Tue Jul 10, 2012 at 01:19:17 PM PDT

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                        •  because you never, not once, (0+ / 0-)

                          mention the woman as important

                          you and ones like you reserve all your compassion - such as it is - for the unborn

                          •  Yes, we do mention the woman as important. (0+ / 0-)

                            You are merely expressing your ignorant bias. You have clearly not read anything much from our site.

                            I encourage you to INFORM yourself before you talk. That way, you can have an INFORMED opinion.

                            If we talk about not murdering babies MORE OFTEN than we talk about women, I don't see why that would be a mark against us. Have 53 million women been systematically targeted for murder in the USA?
                            Systems that are working somewhat don't need reform and reparation as much as systems that are completely broken.

                            http://blog.abolishhumanabortion.com/2012/07/no-seriously.html

                            by Rhology on Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 08:51:18 AM PDT

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              •  Hah, you jest (1+ / 0-)
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                But these stravag freebirths would never understand the benefits of the Iron Mother.  

  •  I don't think the resemblance is close enough (1+ / 0-)
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    to suggest they're consciously using the same symbol.

    "Mistress of the Topaz" is now available in paperback! Link here: http://www.double-dragon-ebooks.com/single.php?ISBN=1-55404-900-8

    by Kimball Cross on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 01:00:04 PM PDT

  •  We have posted a response to your article. (0+ / 0-)

    http://blog.abolishhumanabortion.com/2012/07/neo-nazi-no-anti-choice-wait-what.html

    by Rhology on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:00:17 PM PDT

    •  Do me a favor. (1+ / 0-)
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      grollen

      Please do not site "Daily Kos," because that implies that this was written by Markos or someone who's part of Kos LLC. It wasn't, it was written by me.

      "The Daily Kos" your article begins. Change that to Ollie Garkey at the Daily Kos if you would.

      Also: "Source of image: Daily Kos" please change that to "Ollie Garkey at DailyKos."

      It's important to note who this came from.

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

      by OllieGarkey on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:41:54 PM PDT

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