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Rush Limbaugh has a warning for Mitt Romney: High unemployment alone is not going to be enough to tip the election Romney's way. Why is that? Let's see if we can follow Limbaugh's logic. Basically, he thinks that America's safety net is just too strong, and that this benefits Barack Obama, the "architect" of the fact that "the so-called victims of the unemployment circumstance in this country are not suffering as unemployed people in the past did."

Yup. According to Limbaugh, unemployed people have it so easy that they just don't care about finding jobs. Why, after all, would people care about having jobs when "for a whole heck of a lot of people whose expectations for themselves are not very high, you have food, you have a car, a cell phone, and a TV, and you're set"? Limbaugh isn't blaming these people, mind you, he's just saying that "it's a new reality," created by Obama, in which people don't care. Not like back when he was on unemployment in the 1970s and it was a real stigma.

Limbaugh's important point, the reason he wants Mitt Romney to think about all this, is that this new reality has political ramifications:

We have 48 million Americans, 47 million on food stamps and the regime is advertising for more, we have 47, 48 percent who pay no income taxes. We have 3 million more off the unemployment rolls and on the disability rolls, and they all vote.
Like the notion that people are kicked back all comfortable at home not worried about unemployment as long as they have their food stamps and their cell phones, that last clause is a blatant falsehood: We know that voter turnout rises with income, which means people on food stamps, people who don't earn enough to pay federal income taxes, and people on disability vote at relatively low levels. But Limbaugh needs his listeners not to know that, because if they know that, they won't make the leap with him to the idea that Obama set it up this way. That Obama, the "architect," set it up so that all these people don't care that they're unemployed because the government is keeping them adequately comfortable ... and so they're all going to vote for him.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:38 PM PDT.

Also republished by ClassWarfare Newsletter: WallStreet VS Working Class Global Occupy movement and Daily Kos.

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  •  I wish that were true, that the jobless are going (10+ / 0-)

    to vote for President Obama. I live in a building that has all subsidized housing for formerly homeless and domestic violence victims for tenants and some of them talk about voting for Romney. I've tried to tell them that voting for Mittens means we would all lose our housing and our food stamps. Racism runs deep in this country, even in Oregon.

    Obama wants your guns = Romney wants your Medicare Stop choosing your guns over your health You're shooting yourself

    by blueoregon on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 02:57:32 PM PDT

  •  Limp Gasbag, paragon of the 20th Century (3+ / 0-)
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    Yup. According to Limbaugh, unemployed people have it so easy that they just don't care about finding jobs. Why, after all, would people care about having jobs when "for a whole heck of a lot of people whose expectations for themselves are not very high, you have food, you have a car, a cell phone, and a TV, and you're set"? Limbaugh isn't blaming these people, mind you, he's just saying that "it's a new reality," created by Obama, in which people don't care. Not like back when he was on unemployment in the 1970s and it was a real stigma.

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 03:09:31 PM PDT

  •  A flaming paper bag filled with dog feces (3+ / 0-)
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    jacey, hnichols, Larsstephens

    Is the only way I can describe this evil monster, who has gleefully done so much damage to the country just to make himself insanely rich.

    If I believed in God I would be convinced he sent this creature as a test of compassion.

    Romney 2012 - Ask not what your profits can do for you, but what you can do for your profits. (Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #89)

    by Fordmandalay on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 03:10:59 PM PDT

  •  Tipped just for listening, so we don't have to. (5+ / 0-)
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    jacey, Vatexia, SherwoodB, hnichols, Eyesbright

    I don't drive, so I don't have a car radio that might land on one of his stations by accident. Taking the train or walking to work would be worth it for this reason alone. I can look at the door of a gas station bathroom, and I don't even need to open it and inhale to know what it smells like inside. So, tips for holding your nose, barging in and braving the stench for the rest of us.

    The rec is for your call to action:

    We know that voter turnout rises with income, which means people on food stamps, people who don't earn enough to pay federal income taxes, and people on disability vote at relatively low levels. But Limbaugh needs his listeners not to know that, because if they know that, they won't make the leap with him to the idea that Obama set it up this way.
    His audience's concept of knowing is not the same as our concept of knowing. Charts and data might make the case to a rational audience. But, we've got our work cut out for us to translate this fact into his audience's emotional kind of knowledge.

    Why is there a Confederate Flag flying in Afghanistan?

    by chimpy on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 03:17:53 PM PDT

  •  Attitudes like Limbaugh's are the number 1 reason (2+ / 0-)
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    I am Democratic.

    Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

    by Dirtandiron on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 05:50:54 PM PDT

  •  Stupid head has a theory (2+ / 0-)
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    I bet he doesn't believe in it enough to test it by becoming unemployed himself.

    When I'm stupid and incompetent financially, I get calls from collection agencies and higher interest rates. When the 1% are stupid and incompetent financially they get billions from the government.

    by tarminian on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 06:22:25 PM PDT

  •  A recent study reported... (2+ / 0-)
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    Subterranean, Eyesbright

    A recent study reported that more people in the United States have obtained their knowledge (or rather, mis-information) of global climate change (nothing to worry about, you know) from Rush Limbaugh, than from any other source. He's been telling lies to the public for more than two decades.

    If you're concerned about Rush Limbaugh's spewing of misinformation to millions of Americans over 600 radio stations for up to 18 hours a week, join those who seek to do something about it. The StopRush database is here:
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    Follow me on Twitter: @denverunionguy

    by Richard Myers on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 07:14:45 PM PDT

  •  Unemployment has helped me (2+ / 0-)
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    When I was working, $358 a week was nothing. When you've got nothing else it's amazing how much money that is. I'm so grateful for the help. I would have taken any job but no one was hiring. I was on UI for almost 18 months and it was a godsend.

  •  There just is no way to avoid knowing ... (0+ / 0-)

    There are conservatives / teabaggers in this country who want to see people starving and dying in the streets.  Of course, the cons/baggers fully believe all of them will be Democrats.  They're wrong.

    To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men. -Abraham Lincoln

    by Eyesbright on Mon Jul 09, 2012 at 09:39:24 PM PDT

  •  I guess that's supposed to be bad? (0+ / 0-)

    Wishing misery on the unemployed sounds like a brilliant election strategy and I hope he keeps it up.

  •  That to make people lazy & dependent on Big Govmt (0+ / 0-)

    don't you know? That's Obama real goal according to Rush.

    "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

    by Lefty Coaster on Wed Jul 11, 2012 at 08:59:49 AM PDT

  •  This asshole is going to be fit... (2+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen, Matt Z

    to be tied when President Obama is reelected... and I'm going to enjoy the largest glass of schadenfreude ever!  LOL

    “For the first time in two decades, Osama bin Laden is not a threat to this country.” President Obama 1/24/12

    by BarackStarObama on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:04:13 PM PDT

  •  Rush offers such a rich vein of material (5+ / 0-)
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    TofG, nellgwen, 4Freedom, xaxnar, Matt Z

    to select from, some days I hardly know where to start.

    "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

    by Lefty Coaster on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:09:46 PM PDT

  •  What a shithead! (2+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen, Matt Z

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:10:09 PM PDT

  •  Ask (3+ / 0-)
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    TofG, nellgwen, Matt Z

    Ask yourself, would you be better off if McCain and the Moose-lady had won?

    Voting Republican is a vote for the failure of our nation.

    “Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” Conan of Cimmeria Robert E. Howard

    by roninkai on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:16:45 PM PDT

  •  Ah! The good old days of workhouses for the lower (0+ / 0-)

    classes (i. e. 99%).:

  •  A couple of weeks ago... (5+ / 0-)

      ... I was volunteering at the Democratic tent at a local county fair. Some Republican came by and complained about the 47% that don't pay (income) taxes -- obviously hate radio has been drilling that number in. So I told him that at no point in my life had I EVER heard of ANYONE who asked his employer for a pay cut in order to live that great lucky-ducky low-tax-bracket life.

        He left in a huff.

    "Le ciel est bleu, l'enfer est rouge."

    by Buzzer on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:17:31 PM PDT

  •  and they all voted until this year. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:19:22 PM PDT

  •  Little White Pills. (2+ / 0-)
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    Someone appears to be eating those little white pills again.

    When was the last time this guy took a piss test ?

    " With religion you can't get just a little pregnant"

    by EarTo44 on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:19:45 PM PDT

  •  Government IS keeping some people (4+ / 0-)

    so comfortable that they need not do anything worthwhile.
    Can you say, Corporations?

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:20:59 PM PDT

    •  Gummint is also taking a lot of the unemployment (0+ / 0-)

      hit, keeping the number higher than it would be.

      IIRC, when the ideological gummintal firings are eliminated, the unemployment rate drops from 8.2 to 7.2 or so, a number which if prior history were the judge would nearly guarantee Obama's re-election.  I would love to see an ad pointing out how state Rs seek to convince state  voters that high unemployment is a D problem, and then point out in those states just how many employees have been laid off from gummint, and what the unemployment rate would have been if they were not added in, since they were fired for ideological reasons.  That those firings were done by Rs who have not replaced any of those jobs and don't intend to.  A list  WISC this many, Michigan this many, Indiana this many, and so on.
      And which Rs voted for those firings to happen.

       And those strippings of benefits - how many of the supposedly new jobs the job creators are creating are benefit free, unlike the old jobs from which the newly working were fired because the boss wanted to, or wanted to pay them so much less they could not stay,like Mott's.  Not the same kind of jobs, not comparable at all.  

      Good ad possibilities there.

      And also how such firings disporportionately affect women and people of color since they were disproportionately hired by gummint becauae it had an anti discrimination policy that actually worked, while the private sector considered that a matter of their free market choices.

  •  Rush is obviously still popping pills! (2+ / 0-)
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    This man is like a spoiled, rotten brat who throws a fit in a store just to get the toy they want. He throws one fit and barely gets any attention, so he screams even louder hoping that someone, ANYone, will give him what he wants!  He's delusional and in desperate need of psychiatric care! And if Ronald Reagan didn't cut federal funding for state run mental wards, he'd be in one right now!

    Well behaved women rarely make history.

    by IamNotaKochsucker on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:21:22 PM PDT

  •  They oughta make a law (2+ / 0-)
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    TofG, nellgwen

    that says ONLY the poor and working class can vote!
    Too much personal wealth should be a barrier to the option of voting.
    How many would choose to limit income in order to preserve the ability to participate in democracy?

  •  my GF works for a SocSec Disability planning co. (6+ / 0-)
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    TofG, nellgwen, Kinak, MarcKyle64, Matt Z, hotheadCA

    that's just started a new outreach program to vets--or, as Rush would say, a new scheme to enslave our wounded warriors.   Now those folks will have it easy too, so there's another half million votes for Obama.  Kenyan fist-bump!

  •  What's Obama got to do with this? (4+ / 0-)
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    TofG, annieli, nellgwen, Matt Z

    Mr Limbaugh is nostalgic for the early 20th Century, y'know, sweatshops, unregulated mines, steek mills and slaughterhouses, child labor etc. but we did have the New Deal and the Great Society since that time, FAT-ASS!  FDR, JFK/ LBJ. Good thing their programs were fundamentaly still around when Obama took office, otherwise he and we would have been truly screwed.

    I know of a few Republicans we have to thank for the Food Stamp program too, btw. Is there a way we can vote this guy off the planet?

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:22:04 PM PDT

  •  this is not front page material (1+ / 0-)
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    no dreary, stupid, lazy pronouncement by professional or semi-professional bigots deserves the space

    "rush limbaugh says something bigoted" the hell what? that would be all day, 7 days a week, wouldn't it?

    in the future, can we please ignore chuck norris, hank williams jr., brad pitt's mother, at least two washed-up bums from sat. nite live whose names escape me, donald trump, orly taitz, and any rightwing radio slob?

    they are not talking to anyone who doesn't already agree

    •  So read my diary I posted (1+ / 0-)
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      about 2 hous ago. So far no one has read it yet. It's called Sweet Dream. It's a humorous little diary about my dreams.
      It'll take you 10min. Maybe longer if you watch the 4 minute music video at the end.

      "The whole thing ended up in a stalemate tied three ways. I think I had a beer." Me

      by nellgwen on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:38:53 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  yes it is, she answered the propaganda (0+ / 0-)

      limbaugh is creating a fairy tale that millions of people repeat, she spoke to its main logical flaws. poor people dont vote and barack obama did not create poor people.

      war is immoral. both parties are now fully complicit in the wars. bring everyone home. get to work.

      by just want to comment on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:45:06 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  So ... you're saying Rush is full of shit? (1+ / 0-)
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    I can see why you ran this item on the front page. It's a real bombshell.

    Winning elections is great, but building movements is better.

    by Alvin K on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:34:33 PM PDT

  •  avg time on food stamps is 9 months (5+ / 0-)
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    Great stat to memorize for cutting down rightwing stereotypes of lazy people milking the system. Most are on to get through short term hardship. Even those on for longer periods often have circumstances, but the short avg really helps undercut the stereotype. This stat has really helped shift the conversation in a few fb threads for me. It works.

    Passive renunciation is not the whole of wisdom.

    by play jurist on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:35:55 PM PDT

  •  hmmm, seeing as how my family is (3+ / 0-)
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    supplementing my income (besides snap), I'm kinda trying not to drive my f-ing car off a bridge because i keep getting interviews but no f-ing no, i'm not really comfortable. i worry every single damn day.

    Earth: Mostly harmless ~ The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (revised entry)

    by yawnimawke on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:36:29 PM PDT

  •  Conservative Talk Radio - What They Do (3+ / 0-)
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    They tell their audience what they want to hear. Not what they need to know.

    But then we're not talking low information voters here - we're talking about people who have embraced their own view of the world to the exclusion of any thing that would contradict it. The Know Nothing party has been reinvented for the 21st century.

    The local station that carries "El Rushbo" and the rest of the conservative brain programmers in my area has some telling signs of who their target audience is lately. The ads running between the eruptions of toxic gas are for products like male enhancement drugs, herbal weight loss products, financial 'security' stuff like gold, food survival packs, etc.

    If you listen to Sean Hannity, his tag line is "let not your heart be troubled" - reference to a bible verse - and it's usually tossed out in the middle of stuff designed TO trouble hearts. Here's a comment from Hannity's web site:

    ...illegals get entitlements that American (white) working poor citizens can't. I work part-time for minimum wate at the largest retailer in the world and I don't quality food stamps, housing assistance or home loan refi. I lost my job three years ago and this is the only job I can find. When I go to a local grocery store, I see undocumented or "guest" green card holders buying hundreds (up to $500) of food or candy to resell illegally, double dipping from us, the taxpayer. They drive Escalades, new vehicles and their children have the newest IPOD, IPAD or IPhone... 3/4 of the people here in the Coachella valley are on EBT.... in the meantime, I eat cereal.
    emphasis added

    Isn't Hannity famous for telling people that hunger isn't a problem in this country? Rush is saying the same thing? And their listeners can't connect the dots? Do they really believe the multi-millionaire snake oil salesmen of the conservative message machine give a damn about them?

    Apparently so.  And if you want irony, the rest of that verse Hannity riffs off of goes something like this:

    Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
    emphasis added.  Just goes to show - the Devil CAN quote scripture to his purpose.

    This message about hunger works at several levels. Rush, Sean, and the rest of the usual suspects are telling Mitt the Merciless he really needs to crank up the politics of resentment to win - with as much xenophobia and racism as possible to distract their audience from the truth that they are the ones getting played.

    "No special skill, no standard attitude, no technology, and no organization - no matter how valuable - can safely replace thought itself."

    by xaxnar on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:40:40 PM PDT

  •  I guess this is Rush's version of walking (0+ / 0-)

    ten miles to school, both ways uphill, in hip-high snow.

    Then Obama made them get a school bus.


    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:43:07 PM PDT

  •  What a loathsome statement... (1+ / 0-)
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    Eric Nelson

    ...and of course, it goes hand-in-hand with Romney's talking about if people want free stuff from the government, they should vote for the other guy.

    What used to be dog whistles have become foghorns under this new brand of Republican.

    "The people have only as much liberty as they have the intelligence to want & the courage to take." - Emma Goldman

    by DebtorsPrison on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 06:57:13 PM PDT

  •  Sick Bastard (0+ / 0-)

    So, Rush thinks unemployed citizens must suffer more?

    There's a place for people like Rush, it is at the bottom of a dark hole filled with feces.

    •  If only he were hiding in a pit of feces (0+ / 0-)

      like the kids in Schindler's List. It's a pity Oscar Schindler had more compassion in the time it took him to eat breakfast BEFORE he started saving his workers than this fat fuck has ever had in his entire miserable life.  

      In fact, I'll Godwin this damned thread right now -


      Who would Paul Ryan be? Speer or Himmler?

  •  limbaugh (0+ / 0-)

    These remarks are so breathtakingly innacurate and mean-spirited it's hard to believe he has any audience at all.  Yet there he is, day after day.  Let's hope all his fans sleep in come election time.  These poor saps think they're invited to the millionaire's ball.

  •  Limbaugh would be attacking (2+ / 0-)
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    Americantrueandblue, mrsgoo

    ANY Democratic president today, no matter who it was, or what color it was, or what sex it was. He has ammunition for every size shape and color of Democrat.

    So don't jump to the conclusion that the only reason Limbaugh is hating is because of the black. It's just a means to an end, which is hate of Liberalism and Democrats in particular.

  •  I'm pretty far to the left of any of the (3+ / 0-)

    Presidential Candidates, and the last thing I would want to do is agree with anything Limbaugh says.  Yet, if he is putting forth "the notion that people are kicked back all comfortable at home not worried about unemployment as long as they have their food stamps and their cell phones,"  then he's not as far wrong as people here are saying.

    My step-daughter (30 years old, felony record for credit card fraud, five year old daughter, in and out of meth addiction, no job, no job prospects) is the Poster Child for exactly what Rush is talking about.  We have a small cabin in California, and, especially for the sake of our grand-daughter, she is living it it, rent free.  (Yes, I hate it.  But I hate to throw my grand-daughter out on the street.)  She is kicked back all comfortable at home, not worried about unemployemnt as long as she has her food stamps and cell phones.  My word, does she have cell phones!  I don't know how she does it, but she has at least three that are much better than the one I have.

    Better yet, all of her friends (current or former gang members, mostly, as is the father of the child) are unemployed, and unworried, and on food stamps.  Her new boyfriend (since the daddy is in prison) is unemployed, unworried, and on food stamps.

    She knows every aspect of the system, and she knows how to work all of it for her maximum benefit.  (For a time, she told California that she was paying me rent, and getting money to subsidize it.  When I told her to stop, she offered me a cut.  I told the state.)  She is not alone...she learned the ropes from her friends.

    I sure as heck won't agree with Rush's solutions, or most of his conclusions, but he has hit upon an ugly fact:  there ARE a lot of lazy people abusing the system, and abusing you and I and a lot of Tea Party voters as well, and presented with facts like that, it's easy to get people angry about it.  We need to do something about it, for our sakes, and for the sake of any progressive legislation we would like to get passed in the future.

    When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

    by Bisbonian on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 07:52:54 PM PDT

    •  I don't think (2+ / 0-)
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      anyone is denying that some people game the system, just that that should not be your main focus with such programs when they are designed to help the needy. Although, you are absolutely correct when you say that if we did do more to actually stop what you say it would be better for our cause. People probably will be much more charitable when they think they don't have to worry (as much) about free-loaders.

      •  I've been involved in this for five years now, (2+ / 0-)
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        mrsgoo, Americantrueandblue

        as of a week ago.  I knew a few people gamed the system.  It really opened my eyes as to how MANY people gamed the system, and how organized they were in helping each other do it.  It's really disgusting.  And I still support the system...better to have some people gaming the system than to cut off someone really in need.  But there's a whole lot of ammunition for the right to use, there.

        When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

        by Bisbonian on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 08:42:50 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  speaking of gaming the system (0+ / 0-)

        LIBOR anyone?

        Question: how much is ripped off in welfare fraud VS how much is ripped off in bank/wall street fraud?

    •  Meth. grrr. There will always be those that play (2+ / 0-)
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      Bisbonian, hotheadCA

      the system. Reminds me of something I read awhile back about the difference between D's and R's.

      The Democrats worry that a child will go hungry more than if somebody is playing the system. The Republicans worry that somebody is playing the system more than a child is going hungry.

      I know the type of people of which you speak. Pisses me off. I have known more than one person who is raising their grandchildren because of the drug abuse of their own children. I do not know if you can take on this child and it is not my business. You have to do what you have to do. It is a horrible, painful thing to realize that your child has children whom they do not want to build a better life for.

      All I know for sure, is that is not much of a life. If all you aspire to is to get foodstamps and welfare, you are not having much of a life at all.

      I hope that your child realizes the horrible choices she is making. Bless you for trying to help her.

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 08:34:36 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Thanks. (2+ / 0-)
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        Obviously I'm more concerned about the child.  We bought the cabin to live out there, be close-by grandparents and be supportive.  Soon afterward, the mother lost her job (drug test), place to live, and moved in with us.  About two and a half years later, my relationship with my partner was highly strained, we were living in the cesspool this young mother leaves everywhere around her...there was conflict in every direction, and we had to come back to Bisbee.  I really don't want to rip the child from her mother unless it is absolutely as a last resort, but it kills us to know the way she is living.  We bring her here as often as possible, and go there as often as possible.  She just left again today...her mother invited herself, our grand-daughter, her boyfriend, and her boyfriend's son for a nine day visit that we somehow survived.  Never again.

        The mother really appears to be off the drugs, for at least a year and a half.  If she goes back, we take the grand-daughter, and all the drama that entails.  In the meantime, we walk the tightrope.

        When banjos are outlawed, only outlaws will have banjos.

        by Bisbonian on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 08:50:39 PM PDT

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        •  {{bisbonian}} I truly know of what you speak of. (1+ / 0-)
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          DH and I have not had children but we have been very close to this type of situation. It's just a bitch. One of our friends adopted their granddaughter at the age of 3 because the mom was so messed up. The mom in and out of trouble for years. Grandma/grandpa taking her in and out while trying their best to raise the kid. Finally, mom kicked the daughter out when she got arrested again. By now, the grandkid is a young teen. And she is wanting to rebel 'because she's a tween and that's what they do. We have all done stupid sheeite as youngsters. You just hope that as you get older, you realize that you're being stupid. Some folks get that and mature and some don't seem to. And meth, oh f'n meth makes it much more unlikely unfortunately. That drug is just a scourge on society. Much worse than what we had floating around in the 70's. I so hope your step daughter wises up. Will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.


          if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

          by mrsgoo on Sat Jul 14, 2012 at 09:08:32 PM PDT

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    •  Always a few bad apples (0+ / 0-)

      on the other hand I know many people who walk the edge and if they were able to get a small amount of help before they fall off the cliff. Too often people have to lose everything before they can get the help they need which if they were able to get it before rock bottom would have helped them tread water and save themselves. This in the end is more cost effective. There will always be cheaters. There will always be those who need help. The big question is what kind of society are we? Are we a kill or be killed society? Or do we help ourselves by helping others?

  •  Got it good while unemployed? (0+ / 0-)

    If Obama set up this posh existence for the unemployed, I would ask Rush to document when all these dramatic legislative and policy changes took  place that boosted food stamp, unemployment and Tanf benefits to such grandiose levels?  No answer? Didn't think so.

  •  My recommendation? (1+ / 0-)
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    Seriously.   He's hurting the human race.
    Rush is proof that god isn't interested.

  •  I'm sorry. I am raised a Christian, and that (0+ / 0-)

    affects how I look at nonsense like Rush.

    In the world in which I was raised, those with more had moral duties to help those with less, and what I saw and see with government programs is a way that many contribute a little bit eachm called taxes,  so that the caring for the poor and the sick and the foreigners, as the Bible viewed some folks, And widows and their children in the days when women in the workforce were rare. And the old,  in fact got done efficiently and throughout the nation on a sort of equitable basis. It was in fact performing for a lot of us a Christian, Jewish and Muslim and others'  duty that no itty bitty or not so itty bitty religious organization, Christian, Jewish Muslim or others with similar beliefs could themselves get done with tithes. And I still think that.

  •  It just amazes me that the meme is (0+ / 0-)

    that only people who vote liberal are on any form of welfare and that Republicans are just far too honest and pure to accept or ask for it.

    I live in a county that votes 75% conservative. One in 4 are on food stamps and the way the local Republicans portray that is that its all of the 25% who vote liberal that account for that 1 in 4.

    I think those Republicans on welfare are of the belief that if Romney gets in he will slash all the other welfare but let them keep theirs because of course its not actually called 'welfare' where they are concerned.

    Sadly so many on the right are of this mindset.

    •  They honestly thinking that one day (0+ / 0-)

      they will be rich too. They will hit the lotttery or something and they don't want the goverment getting any of it. (Even though that lottery ticket is a tax on the poor and numerically illiterate).

  •  Different perspective: (0+ / 0-)

    I didn't think following his logic to conclusion in order to refute several details was even necessary on this one.  Don't even need to go down the rabbit hole.

    He says 'people on unemployment aren't suffering like they used to'.  He's saying that tens of millions of people would be much worse off without the policies Obama has pushed for.

    He's also saying plainly to anyone that's been laid off (in this crisis or ever) that the right want to make sure everyone who finds themselves in that situation gets the screws put to them.

    If you want a discussion, please stick to arguing the point. If you wanted something else...please exit the vehicle.

    by robizio on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 06:27:41 AM PDT

  •  right about one thing. (0+ / 0-)

    ...and that's the fact that being unemployed isn't as much of a stigma as it has been.

    I think that has very little to do with Obama, and is simply a function of how widespread unemployment has become, beyond just the rate--smart, able bodied people are having a hard time finding enough work in the right place.

    My marriage fell apart, in no small part because of the fact that we couldn't find work in the same place.

    Divorce is becoming less stigmatized, too.

    It's the economy stupid.

  •  The right's whining about the (0+ / 0-)

    % of people who don't pay income taxes is so boring.

    If companies paid these people more, then more people would be paying income taxes.  Problem solved.

    The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

    by dfarrah on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 07:12:44 AM PDT

  •  news from my sis in small town Illinois (0+ / 0-)

    redacted to protect the innocent. Note: she hates Obama and socialism

    Now I have a volunteer part time job at another nursing home, and am waiting for something to open. Ben is also looking for a job. I did not spend any of Dad's investments, but they are shrinking.

     I give a lot of stuff away, because there is little opportunity here and the economy is so bad that I could not support a business like you do if I tried. I do some work for the food pantry, but that's another story of the town's demise and our 16% unemployment and underemployment. The only reason we stay here is to take care of Ben's sweet 85 year old mom.

    Things aren't good and the little froggies don't know who is turning up the heat on their pot. There is absolutely nothing I can say to make a dent in her mind set.
  •  When Defense jobs are lost (0+ / 0-)

    very soon, will he sing the same song?

  •  Well then...................... (1+ / 0-)
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    when this spolied----pampered----pretentious---racist----elitist--- hate-monger is finally forced to turn off his microphone---he won't suffer much---will he?

    And I guess he'll just have to thank the President for that---won't he?

    "It's tough to take republicans seriously when their entire ideology can be explained perfectly by a 13 yr. old and a 14 yr. old."---Bill Maher

    by lyvwyr101 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 06:03:31 PM PDT

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