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This week, the GOP-controlled House of Representatives voted for the 33rd time in 18 months to repeal the Affordable Care Act. But even if that act of political theater is over for now, Republicans will keep repeating their favorite parts of the right-wing script well past Election Day in November. That their tried and untrue lines about "the largest tax increase in history," Obamacare "adding to the debt," a "government takeover of health care" (Politifact's 2010 Lie of the Year) and, of course, "death panels" (Politifact's 2009 Lie of the Year) have been thoroughly debunked won't prevent conservatives from continuing to mouth them.

And that debate-distorting performance is literally sickening. Because while some of the GOP's best and brightest darkly warn that the Affordable Act may kill you, other Republicans insist the lives of some Americans aren't worth saving. Meanwhile, without the ACA fully in place, study after study after study show the status quo has a real body count, with up to 45,000 of the uninsured dying unnecessarily each year. Nevertheless, the party of Romney, Ryan, Boehner and McConnell would prevent 30 million people from gaining the health insurance they need and millions more the basic patient protections they deserve.

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell gave the game away two weeks ago on Fox News when said of those 30 million uninsured, "That's not the issue." But a more telling episode came during the September 2011 tea party/GOP presidential debate. As ABC reported, the tea partiers who protested Democratic health care reform in 2009 by holding a "die-in" at Senate offices cheered Ron Paul on when he said churches, not government, should address the U.S. health care crisis:

CNN moderator Wolf Blitzer's hypothetical question about whether an uninsured 30-year-old working man in coma should be treated prompted one of the most boisterous moments of audience participation in the CNN/Tea Party Express.

"What he should do is whatever he wants to do and assume responsibility for himself," Paul responded, adding, "That's what freedom is all about, taking your own risk. This whole idea that you have to compare and take care of everybody..."

The audience erupted into cheers, cutting off the Congressman's sentence.

After a pause, Blitzer followed up by asking "Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?" to which a small number of audience members shouted "Yeah!"

Somewhere, California Congressman David Dreier (R-CA) was probably cheering. As he explained this week in calling for the repeal of the ACA and its prohibition on insurance companies banning patients with pre-existing conditions:
"I don't that think someone who is diagnosed with a massive tumor should the next day be able to have millions and millions and millions of dollars in health care provided, I do believe that there can be a structure to deal with the issue of pre-existing conditions."
Just not if Mitt Romney becomes president of the United States. As he put it in March, "We can't play the game like that."

Of course, since 2009 Republicans have been playing games with the truth when it comes to Americans' health care. On no point has this been more true than when early versions of the Democratic health care overhaul contained a provision requiring Medicare to cover end-of-life counseling for the elderly. In the hands of Betsy McCaughey, the woman whose mythology helped torpedo the Clinton health care initiative in 1994, that statute which could have helped millions of Americans instead became "death panels." Sarah Palin, who later claimed she was speaking metaphorically, famously framed the GOP slander this way:

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.
That would be evil, if it was true. But Palin's fraud didn't stop some of the GOP's more senior, and theoretically, more sentient leaders from regurgitating the bogus death panel sound bite.

Continue reading below the fold.

Take, for example, Iowa Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley. In 1993, Grassley joined GOP Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and 19 other Republican senators in proposing their own bill that "would have required everyone to buy coverage, capped awards for medical malpractice lawsuits, established minimum benefit packages and invested in comparative effectiveness research." (Sixteen years later, both would be among those who would call the ACA's individual mandate unconstitutional.) But as the debate over health care grew overheated in August 2009, Grassley's rhetoric turned incendiary:

"There is some fear because in the House bill, there is counseling for end-of-life. And from that standpoint, you have every right to fear. You shouldn't have counseling at the end of life. You ought to have counseling 20 years before you're going to die. You ought to plan these things out. And I don't have any problem with things like living wills. But they ought to be done within the family. We should not have a government program that determines if you're going to pull the plug on grandma."
Grassley wasn't done. After claiming that under the Democratic plan "someone is going to decide grandma's lived too long," Sen. Grassley suggested that among the mythical death panel's victims would be one of Orrin Hatch's "closest friends in the world," Ted Kennedy:
"In countries that have government-run health care, just to give you an example, I've been told that the brain tumor that Sen. Kennedy has -- because he's 77 years old -- would not be treated the way it's treated in the United States. In other words, he would not get the care he gets here because of his age."
Grassley, of course, had plenty of company on the Republican side of the aisle and its right-wing media echo chamber. As Rep. Virginia Foxx (R-NC) famously put it three years ago, Democratic health care reform will "put seniors in a position of being put to death by their government."

But the nonexistent death panels weren't the only mechanism by which Republicans charged Democrats would slaughter the American people. In October 2009, Mitch McConnell (R-KY) charged that the so-called "public option" for health insurance (which sadly did not survive in the final bill) could literally kill you:

"It may cost you your life. I mean, we don't want to go down that path."
But a path McConnell was more than willing to follow was the one blazed by President George W. Bush and disgraced House Majority Leader Tom Delay. President Bush, as you'll recall, declared in 2007 that "people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room." In July 2009, McConnell doubled-down on Delay's proclamation that "there are 47 million people who don't have health insurance, but no American is denied health care in America."
DAVID GREGORY: Do you think it's a moral issue that 47 million Americans go without health insurance?

MITCH McCONNELL: Well, they don't go without health care. It's not the most efficient way to provide it. As we know, the doctors in the hospitals are sworn to provide health care. We all agree it is not the most efficient way to provide health care to find somebody only in the emergency room and then pass those costs on to those who are paying for insurance. So it is important, I think, to reduce the number of uninsured. The question is, what is the best way to do that?

In a further attempt to demagogue what become the Affordable Care Act, McConnell in the summer of 2009 invented a straw man to protest how covering the uninsured must not be done. "Once government health care is the only option," he warned on June 3 that year, "Bureaucratic hassles, endless hours stuck on hold waiting for a government service rep, restrictions on care, and rationing are sure to follow." Or as he would go on to state repeatedly:
"All of us want reform, but not reform that denies, delays, or rations health care."
Which is more than a little ironic. Because rationing care is exactly what the 2010 Paul Ryan budget, a blueprint which secured the votes of 235 House Republicans and 40 GOP senators, would inevitably do.

The Ryan plan doesn't merely call for the repeal of the Affordable Care Act and gutting Medicaid spending, steps which by themselves are forecast to result in 48 million Americans losing health insurance. In his 2010 proposal, Ryan called for replacing the Medicare system serving 46 million seniors with an under-funded voucher scheme that the nonpartisan CBO predicted would massively shift costs onto the elderly. As Ezra Klein summed it up two years ago:

It's hard, given the constraints of our current debate, to call something "rationing" without being accused of slurring it. But this is rationing, and that's not a slur. This is the government capping its payments and moderating their growth in such a way that many seniors will not get the care they need.
(Ryan's 2011 revised plan, introduced with Oregon Democrat Ron Wyden, preserves the traditional "public option" as one of the insurance choices seniors can purchase with their future Medicare premium support. But, as discussed here, the threat of draconian cost-shifting and de facto rationing remains.)

In a rare moment of candor, or perhaps, half candor, Paul Ryan (R-WI) acknowledged Klein's truth, even if he would not regarding the ACA's Independent Payment Advisory Board (IPAB) for Medicare:

"Rationing happens today! The question is who will do it? The government? Or you, your doctor and your family?"
Of course, Ryan left out the real culprit—the private insurance market. But with 50 million uninsured, another 25 million underinsured, one in five American postponing needed care and medical costs driving over 60 percent of personal bankruptcies, Congressman Ryan is surely right that "rationing happens today."

But that's not all that happens today. As the Urban Institute, Harvard Medical School and Families USA concluded in their respective studies, lack of health insurance results in between 22,000 and 45,000 preventable deaths in the United States each year.

If Mitt Romney and his right-wing allies get their way in Washington, D.C. and in the states, today's horrifying health care statistics will only grow worse in the GOP's future nightmare for America. That's just the sad truth.

And not another Republican killer lie.

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  •  All the "more sentient leaders" are dead (5+ / 0-)

    or dying

    Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

    by JML9999 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:04:03 PM PDT

  •  .... and derp. (1+ / 0-)
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    mike49

    How did Supreme Court decision ACA help the 23 million still uncovered? Ask the 18,000 Doctors of PNHP -- they're not waiting, FORWARD now to pass H.R. 676, the “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act .

    by divineorder on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:10:34 PM PDT

  •  Imagine a country without Medicare (14+ / 0-)

    Seniors because they are seniors have a "preexisting condition" a preexisting condition that expands as seniors age.  Why should insurance companies accept the government vouchers and provide insurance if they are not required to do so?  And even the healthier seniors still in their sixties will find most of the insurance premium uncoverered.

    I envision emergency rooms swamped with tens of millions of seniors unable to get health care coverage.  And I see hospitals turning them away, rationing their limited resources for younger patients.  I see seniors forced onto the streets, unable to afford medical care, their financial resources saved for retirement all gone to doctors and to hospitals.

    This is the Republican utopia.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:12:27 PM PDT

  •  They know (11+ / 0-)

    They can pretend that it is all some financial problem, and they don't understand or don't know, but really, they know all these facts and just don't give a shit if poor people suffer and die.

  •  Lying is SOP for the GOP, and they've been (7+ / 0-)

    enabled by a Dem administration that let the biggest GOP lie of the decade stand, go inadequately challenged and totally unpunished thereby affirming it as a legitimate tactic.  Of course I am talking about the war criminals who have not only killed innocents abroad but are working hard to kill them here by trying to eliminate health care, Social Security and Medicare.  Bush/Cheney gave the wingers the go-ahead they needed to proclaim the fabricated universe and it's been effective.  

    Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

    by judyms9 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:15:48 PM PDT

  •  The Job Killer Lie (9+ / 0-)

    If mandatory health insurance is such a job killer why was the unemployment rate in MA 6% in May as compared to say Texas at 6.9% with their McJobs?

  •  May the ghost of Ted Kennedy come back to... (13+ / 0-)

    ...haunt his so-called Republican friends for using his name dishonestly and with evil intention.

    "So, am I right or what?"

    by itzik shpitzik on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:16:23 PM PDT

  •  all true. (6+ / 0-)

    this time, unlike in the clinton administration, it didn't work. i don't know if it's because today's republicans just aren't as good at it, or the american people have wised up. in any event, the passage/implementation/upholding by the supreme court of the ACA has the republicans running scared. if they can't kill it, before it's fully implemented, it will be embraced by the american public, much like social security. once that happens, the politician who dares touch it dies.

    •  And one of the unique parts, which was (11+ / 0-)

      discussed on DKos yesterday, is that the ACA will forever be called "Obamacare."  We've taken their slur and turned it into a positive and now these lying thugs have to live with it.  

       

      "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

      by sfcouple on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:50:13 PM PDT

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      •  Right on! n/t (3+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        cocinero, sfcouple, Eric Nelson

        Hands off my ObamaCare[TM] http://www.healthcare.gov

        by Mokurai on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:52:31 PM PDT

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      •  BUT... IF the dems aren't careful (1+ / 0-)
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        sfcouple

        they could lose seats this election because of the
        misinformation the republicans have spread. It is taken as gospel by the FOX crowd.

        It would behoove  Obama and the HHS to put out
        some Obamacare ads (Too bad they can't use Andy Griffith) explaining benefits and the cost savings to counter
        some of the republican BS.

        My mother just knows she is going to be denied healthcare because of her age. The fact that no one she knows has been doesn't seem to matter. She is mad about having
        to pay her monthly medicare PartD premium and that the
        insurance co is constantly trying to force her to take different meds or buy them thru the mail. WHen I tell her
        that the premium will go up to $600/mo and her healthcare will be totally in the hands of the insurance co
        it still doesn't sink in.

        There is alot of education to be done.

        I have a pre-existing condition. I want medicare to be there for me when I'm ready in 4 years. I would think any family with someone in it with a pre-existing condition (which should be just about every family) should see the value of obamacare and would not want to go back. Instead, work on improving it.

        Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

        by Sherri in TX on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:50:45 PM PDT

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        •  HHS is putting out ObamaCare[TM] ads (1+ / 0-)
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          as required by the ACA. Here is a story from last year.

          Health and Human Services touts reform with $3M in ads

          HHS contracted with a PR firm, Porter Novelli, in May for more. I saw one last week.

          Hands off my ObamaCare[TM] http://www.healthcare.gov

          by Mokurai on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 07:03:29 PM PDT

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        •  Agreed, Dems do need to get out the (0+ / 0-)

          the message on ACA and I'm sure that is in the works--Obama's Re-Election team is doing a fantastic job and I'm confident they will have some powerful ads running explaining how ACA works for everyone.  

          And Dems have a great opportunity to eviscerate the rethugs who want to take away health care benefits that most people want.  

          "It took us a couple of days because I like to know what I'm talking about before I speak." President Barack Obama 3/24/09

          by sfcouple on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 08:12:54 PM PDT

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        •  Why can't they? (1+ / 0-)
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          JeffW
          Too bad they can't use Andy Griffith
          He recorded a spot before he died.  

          Renewable energy brings national global security.     

          by Calamity Jean on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 08:30:43 PM PDT

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        •  Part D is a GOP Voucher Plan (0+ / 0-)

          Any complaints about Medicare Part D should be directed to the party who designed it, the GOP.

          Tell her that is she wants to get away from the nasty for profit private insurance companies, she should support a public option.

    •  Very nearly did work! (1+ / 0-)
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      Which is why Nancy Pelosi is no longer speaker.  And which is why so many purple or light blue states are under Teahaddist control.

      "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

      by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:22:00 PM PDT

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      •  No, actually, that is because so many Democrats (0+ / 0-)

        sat on their hands in 2010, especially young voters. There is a youth enthusiasm gap again this year according to Pew Research, which makes GOTV critical among students who cannot use college ID for voting. This will be much easier when they are back in school and the Conventions are over.

        The reason for that reason is that hardly any Democrats took advantage of the tools and messages that Howard Dean and Barack Obama took such trouble to build. They were determined to run the old-fashioned way, and many of them lost the old-fashioned way. Fortunately the remaining Dems were mostly sufficiently scared to start changing their ways, and a new crop of Democratic candidates is coming up that has a better understanding of current conditions.

        It is true that the Teahad has more enthusiastic members than the Progressive wing of the anti-Progressive Democrats. Nevertheless, we clearly have the numbers if we can

        a) Get them out.

        b) Counter the Voter Suppression

        Gore, in spite of running a dreadful campaign, had the voters on the day, but the Republicans had to steal Florida five different ways and get the blessing of the Supreme Court to make it stick. And then Gore had to refuse to allow any Senator to join in the House call for a Congressional investigation.

        Hands off my ObamaCare[TM] http://www.healthcare.gov

        by Mokurai on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 06:02:00 PM PDT

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    •  This used to be true.. (0+ / 0-)
      much like social security. once that happens, the politician who dares touch it dies.
      ..at least in the immediate.
      Not anymore. The republicans have gone rabid crazy.

      Paul Ryans' replace medicare with a f*cking coupon and one of  the most important thing about SS gone - the guarantee - the security

      •  Yes, it did used to be true, Eric (2+ / 0-)
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        Eric Nelson, Calamity Jean

        I'm old enough to remember the time before Medicaid was initiated in 1965.

        The summer I turned 16, I worked at a recreation center in a distressed part of my city that I'd never been in before and was completely unaware of until then. A couple of the kids wanted me to visit their home to meet their little brother. I'm not sure if they thought I could help or if it was just a cri d'coeur. Their little brother was only 7 but easily weighed more than 150 lbs. He was in a large crib in a hot bedroom next to an open window. Their home had no air conditioning. He couldn't talk or sit up. They filled a baby bottle with water and helped him drink. There was no adult in the house. It's been 49 years, but I remember it in detail, including my sense of helplessness. I know now that he had Down's.

        For seniors, there was a place called "the county farm." I remember going there with my mother from a very early age when she'd take them home made soup or cookies. We didn't know anyone there, but my mother explained that they didn't have enough to eat.

        We have a modest college fund for my grandson, but if we go back to that, I'd rather he'd use it to move to a better country.

        Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

        by RJDixon74135 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 06:22:30 PM PDT

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  •  It is indeed, literally, SICKENING. (16+ / 0-)

    These lying, greedy selfish SOBs who want the country to serve capitalism rather than capitalism serving the country. These thugs who don't give a damn how many die because they can't afford health care, and still pat themselves on the back for being such an "exceptional" country.

    People who can afford health care, can ONLY DO SO because their employers help subsidize the cost.  If folks had to pay for their own health care 70-75% of this country would be uninsured.

    But increasingly, employers are asking their employees to pay more and more for their premiums, and that's not going to stop escalating.  This country has tied health care to employment and to a business's desire or ability to pay for it. If you can't see the growing disaster ahead in that scenario, then you're not paying attention.

    And they're not paying attention. Like they're not paying attention to Climate change.  They just don't give a flying fuck.  And it is scary as hell that half this country votes for these guys.  

    I firmly believe that if America doesn't say no to the current crop of the GOP, we have seen our best days, and have nothing but a long slide down to look forward to.  

    •  That is a very good message (4+ / 0-)
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      rbird, cocinero, Cedwyn, StellaRay
      greedy SOB...want the country to serve capitalism rather than capitalism serving the country.
      It's versatile too eg:  
      The economy is to serve people not the other way around.

       Either way it's excellent to get you thinking about priorities imo

    •  Stella: They give a flying fuck.Just not about us. (2+ / 0-)
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      StellaRay, Calamity Jean

      They are fully aware that climate change is real. But that takes a back seat to getting money--and a cushy job when they retire--from the black energy companies.

      It's about money. It's always about money. Getting it. Keeping it. "I get mine, and I don't care who gets hurt."

      These people are bought and paid for by the corporations. Just like Penn State was bought and paid for when it came to valuing a winning--and very lucrative--football program over the lives of young boys. When I read the other day that the "sainted" Joe Paterno negoiated a $5 million plus compensation package with the very men who were helping him cover up the abuse, I knew the fix was in, and had been in probably for years.

      It's about money. Always. Money and power and status. But mostly money. Because money buys power and status.

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:46:32 PM PDT

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      •  Can't argue with this. (0+ / 0-)

        But it's also about the vote.  The vote has power, if not status. And until the many in this country who don't vote get off their asses and get to the polls, we're going to continue to be in the kind of trouble we're in.  

        And of course, it's mostly the disenfranchised who don't vote, who don't think it matters.  Those that it matters the MOST to, don't vote.  

        If every democratic or democratic leaning person in America had voted in the mid terms, everything would have been different.  

        Something about our culture that makes us take the vote for granted, makes us think it so unimportant that a full 40%, on a good year, don't even bother to vote in presidential elections.

        I repeat, the vote has power, or the GOP wouldn't be trying to make it harder.  And this country is very UNEXCEPTIONAL in its voting patterns. Way too many of us take our democracy for granted, and that's earned us a good portion of our problems.

    •   It was almost understandable to forgo (2+ / 0-)
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      cocinero, StellaRay

      wage increases when the employer was enduring the rising cost of healthcare over the last few decades. It was a major excuse for lowering wages and forgoing raises and forcing more work out of their workers.  Nowadays the employer places more and more of the financial burden on the employees to cover healthcare costs while STILL forgoing raises and fear mongering workers into doing morevwork with less people.  Meanwhile upper management and CEO wages and perks continue to skyrocket exponentially...completely irregardless of performance. Fuck Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, the Koch assholes, the tea potty assholes and our MSM. Fuck the GOP and their greedy, never satisfied, whiny assed base.

      •  Amen, Dezza. (0+ / 0-)

        And you are SO right about the increase of employer demands and the decrease in wages and perks.  It is firmly an employer's market right now, and people do whatever they have to do to get or keep a job.  This is just the way the GOP likes it.  No rules, no fairness, just get over all that 20th century progressive legislation for the middle class and the poor.

        Love your last sentence particularly, and would like to put it to music.  :)

    •  It's more than just a problem of tying health care (1+ / 0-)
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      StellaRay

      to employment. It's a problem of allowing a small number of people to make obscene profits off the misfortune of many in the name of capitalism which has become the highest god in this so-called "Christian country."

      Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

      by RJDixon74135 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 06:29:17 PM PDT

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  •  Hmmmm (9+ / 0-)
    "I don't that think someone who is diagnosed with a massive tumor should the next day be able to have millions and millions and millions of dollars in health care provided
    Or no heart...unless thy name is Cheney.

    "What I find curious, is how the elected children of Republican politicians, from George W. Bush to Rand Paul to Ben Quayle and on, always happen to be crueler and dumber than their parents." With thanks to MinistryOfTruth.

    by Taxmancometh on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:25:50 PM PDT

    •  Hey I got mine, so F you! (3+ / 0-)
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      cocinero, indie17, Taxmancometh

      That's how they think.  Their gated communities form a wall beyond which we others can stew in hell.

      "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

      by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:26:13 PM PDT

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    •  If that someone had insurance and could go to (4+ / 0-)

      the doctor as soon as they sensed something wrong, they wouldn't have a massive tumor, now would they?

      Just like the people who start out with colds and end up hospitalized with pneumonia.  Or those who start out with high blood sugar and end up with diabetes.  Who start out with high blood pressure and end up with a stroke. Or high cholesterol and end up with a heart attack.

      If someone hits' you with the "Why should we pay for the treatment of major problems" idiocy, simply point out that we should pay for the treatment of minor problems....because that's hugely cheaper than waiting until they become major.

      And the ACA does that.  

      Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

      by Sirenus on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:51:55 PM PDT

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  •  Just look what your child did to (13+ / 0-)

    my carriage! Who knows what damage my horses have sustained! Havadolla, scum. Fibbley, make those people over there shut up and go away. -- Dickens

    Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.
    * Join: OBAMA'S TRUTH TEAM *

    by greenbird on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:26:39 PM PDT

  •  Can the Public Option be Resurrected? (1+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle

    If so many states opt out of setting up their healthcare insurance exchanges, can the Federal Government set up a one size fits all type of program?

    That would be fitting, don't ya think?

    We are the 99% - OWS

    by TriangleNC on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:35:37 PM PDT

    •  Medicare for all... (2+ / 0-)
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      Sherri in TX, Brooke In Seattle

      It would be the height of irony that a Republican attempt to disrupt the ACA would bring on their worst nightmare, true universal health care.

      Please feel free to HR me for my informative and argumentative nature. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

      by rbird on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:16:13 PM PDT

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    •  Probably not (1+ / 0-)
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      Calamity Jean

      without the Dems controlling all three branches, with a true supermajority in the Senate (not one that relies on Independents like Lieberman).

    •  Under the ACA, states can create their own (4+ / 0-)

      public options a few years from now. Vermont was the first to announce such a plan, called Green Mountain Care, in March. The Wall Street Journal and the rest of the usual suspects slammed it.

      WSJ, May 21, 2011

      Vermont Gives the 'Public Option' a Clinical Trial
      The governor claims it is 'all about containing costs.' The evidence is not encouraging.

      Vermont Charges Ahead on Health Care 'Public Option'

      Vermont would need a federal waiver to implement the plan, something that cannot be provided until 2017 under provisions of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (ACA).
      Affordable Health Care With a Public Option Passes in Vermont This Week

      May 24th
      Mark Pine

      On Thursday, Vermont Governor Peter Shumlin will sign legislation to create a “universal and unified health system” in the state. The legislation establishes a system that might be thought of as the Affordable Care Act with a public option.

      The law lays out the framework for a universal health care system. A five-member Green Mountain Board, appointed by the governor and confirmed by the state Senate, will come up with plans for the state program to provide health care benefits to enrollees and pay providers and reform the existing system. The plans would be submitted to the legislature for approval by 2013 .

      In compliance with the federal Affordable Care Act, the law sets up the Vermont Health Benefit Exchange to begin operating in 2014. Private insurers (at least two are envisioned in the law) and a state-funded public option for coverage would be offered on the exchange.

      In 2017, Vermont would launch a universal health care plan, Green Mountain Care, to make health care coverage available to all residents. Private insurers, however, could continue to offer coverage. Funding for universal health care would come, in part, by pooling money from federal health care programs — Medicare, Medicaid and Tricare — which pay for health coverage for state residents now.

      Connecticut also intends to go beyond the ACA, but not to a public option.

      Hands off my ObamaCare[TM] http://www.healthcare.gov

      by Mokurai on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:33:35 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It would take 92 Democrats in the Senate, (0+ / 0-)

      so don't hold your breath.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 04:27:20 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Two things: (6+ / 0-)

    1) Is there a way we can drop every Congressperson's health coverage? Just to watch them squirm.

    2) David Drier, what if it's YOU with the tumor (you pompous prick)?

    Only the weak & defeated are called to account for their crimes.

    by rreabold on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:41:52 PM PDT

  •  Rs lie; their voters are stupid but vote; we get (0+ / 0-)

    Moldy crumbs because we don't vote.

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:42:47 PM PDT

  •  massive tumor: next day treatment (6+ / 0-)

    is first of all, impossible. Second the surgery would cost 60-100K, not millions and millions and millions.

    I've never had radiation, but I've had over 300 treatments of chemotherapy and three abdominal surgeries in 17 years. I am probably now beginning to approach a million$$ in care.

  •  GOP=nobrainers (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    luckydog, Eric Nelson, rbird, Matt Z

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:44:08 PM PDT

  •  What's so mind-numbingly incomprehensible (12+ / 0-)

    is to have senior parents who've benefitted from the closed donut hole for prescriptions, and other relatives who have kids who aren't yet 26 on their policy, or who have children with pre-existing conditions -- and yet they want to repeal ACA. What's the matter with Kansas indeed.

    stay together / learn the flowers / go light - Gary Snyder

    by Mother Mags on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:48:20 PM PDT

  •  emergency room (11+ / 0-)

    As we know, the doctors in the hospitals are sworn to provide health care. We all agree it is not the most efficient way to provide health care to find somebody only in the emergency room and then pass those costs on to those who are paying for insurance.- mcconnell

    I don't think enough is said to push back on this. Most people do think, "what's the big deal. Just go to the emergency room."  The emergency room will help you if you're having a life threatening emergency, but say you have symptoms. Blood in your urine, or something. They will not schedule you for tests and try to determine what is wrong. They will refer you to a primary care physician. You can not go in and expect to be given a check up or have your symptoms looked into. You will not go to that primary care physician because you don't have one and can't afford it, and later well too bad for you.

    Just Win, Baby. -- Al Rodgers, Feb. 24, 2012

    by OLinda on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:48:55 PM PDT

  •  Fox News Is In Total Shambles Today !!!! (4+ / 0-)
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    sfcouple, Eric Nelson, rbird, Cedwyn

    They have fallen apart, the Romney camp is nowhere to be seen.

    Best scheudenfreud since 2008!

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:49:50 PM PDT

  •  Ezra Klein stated recently that the one person.. (5+ / 0-)
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    gorgonza, rbird, Mokurai, Cedwyn, Matt Z

    ..he listens most carefully to is Mitch McConnell when trying to suss out where the republicans are heading.
    What will be the next attack, the next tactic, and what their true agenda is.

    Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell gave the game away two weeks ago on Fox News when said of those 30 million uninsured, "That's not the issue." - emphasis added
    Ezra went as far as to say that Mconnell is the most honest about the republicans. Honest isn't the word I would have chosen but Ezra does have a good point.

    'Our single most important job is to make sure that Obama is a one term president' - McConnell. And every move the GOP has made stems from there.

    "I'll get to that in a minute" - McConnell - how many decades has the republican party been pulling this lie (?) - this, by McConnell nailed it down for me
    ..................................................
    Thx Jon Perr aka Avenging Angel for the detailed run down

  •  New Documentary: 'Escape Fire' Trailer - Must See (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Eric Nelson, Cedwyn, indie17

    I had the opportunity to view the soon to be released documentary "Escape Fire - The Fight to Rescue American Healthcare" and it is a most important and informative work.

    Here is a link to the movie's website with a trailer on the homepage.

    Check it out!

    We are the 99% - OWS

    by TriangleNC on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 02:52:43 PM PDT

  •  I want one of our "reporters" (0+ / 0-)

    to press mitt about his health care plan.

    What is it?

    Where did he buy it from?

    How much does it cost?

    I would like those who claim the one should "go out into the market" and make their own "choices" to demonstrate exactly how they have chosen.

  •  The moral test of government... (6+ / 0-)

    Hubert Humphrey{1911-1978) :"It was once said that the moral test of government is  how that government treats those who are in the dawn of life,the children;those who are in the twilight of life,the elderly;and those who are in the shadows of life,the sick,the needy and the handicapped."

    We could certainly slow down the aging process if it had to work its way through Congress. Will Rogers

    by zestyann on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:15:31 PM PDT

  •  Here's the problem (or at least one): (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    stvnjon, Sherri in TX

    In looking at the delivery of healthcare as being part of the "insurance industry", then of course those with pre-existing conditions should be prevented from getting healthcare.

    After all, it would be like someone being able to get car insurance which retroactively covered the accident they had the day before.  That's not how insurance works--insurance works, as my dad once explained to me--as a bet:  you are betting that you will have an accident which costs more to settle than the premiums you have paid;  the insurance company takes the opposite side of that bet.  Allowing someone to take the bet after it's already been determined they will win is not how it works.

    So, that's the real problem with healthcare delivery in this country:  we base its delivery on a betting system.

    The solution:  take healthcare delivery out of the insurance model and move it to where it makes more sense--at least if you have a sense of compassion.

    Make it single-payer, like the rest of the industrialized nations have done.

    "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions." - Thomas Jefferson

    by rfall on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:15:52 PM PDT

    •  Actually, not. The Swiss use insurance companies (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      rfall, cocinero, indie17

      but do not allow them to make a profit on health insurance. They then get to compete on cross-selling other insurance—life, homeowners, car...

      UK: National health. Docs work for gov't.

      Canada: Single payer Medicare for all.

      Other countries have different organizations. What matters is not the legal form, but that everybody is covered, that costs are kept down while delivering better care than in the US (on average), and that the needy are covered through taxes. Whether the prosperous pay taxes or insurance premiums with a minimum set by the government for a defined level of coverage does not matter in what is sometimes laughingly known as reality.

      Hands off my ObamaCare[TM] http://www.healthcare.gov

      by Mokurai on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:44:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  The GOP is bankrupt (1+ / 0-)
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    cocinero

    Tell your friends that the GOP is bankrupt of ideas and solutions, compassion. Keep repeating the meme to your friends. The GOP is bankrupt.

  •  'The Issue" in Affordable Care Act (2+ / 0-)
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    Cedwyn, cocinero

    Mitch McConnell alluded to the issue.  The issue is actually the Chuck Grassley Amendment.   Two years ago, Grassley added an amendment to require members of Congress to give up their cushy Federal-Health-Care-for-Life and buy health care on the State Exchanges, just like their constituants.   He did it to poison the bill, but the Senate Democrats passed it and it was overlooked in the conference committee.  It became part of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.
    Now that the ACA is the law of the land, and the Supremes have blessed it, members of Congress will have to pay for their own health care starting in 2014.  

  •  Grand Overreach Party (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Cedwyn

    will say, anything, do anything, lie a million times in order to get elected and keep President Obama from being relected. Its up to the Dems to call out the GOP this time, and stand up for Obamacare, about their health care lies.

  •  Obamacare is "a threat (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Eric Nelson

    to our country's health care system," according to Steve King as published in an op-ed in The Des Moines Register.

    Obamacare will continue to drive up the costs of health insurance, put seniors’ health care in jeopardy and reduce access to quality, affordable care.
  •  The GOP can hire the best propagandists money can (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cocinero, indie17

    buy.

    I'm sure when the ACA first was proposed, they had their people look through it with magnifying glasses hunting for "smearable" gold.

    The best propaganda is the half-truth-twisted-into-a-whole-lie because you just can't say it s a lie, you have to explain why it's a lie.

    So I'm sure the smearmasters were dancing in the streets when they found a section that mandates that the government pay the fee if a senior wants to discuss end-of-life issues with their doctor or lawyer.

    Platinum! Happy dance!

    And it became the government mandating that seniors discuss ending their lives.  BTW, no GOP leader ever actually said that we were talking about "death panels for Grandma." No, Grassley just said that we had to a right to be afraid if "someone" started talking about "pulling the plug on Grandma."

    Watch this video. This is not a spontaneous speech. Grassley is working to create a very precise impression of what the ACA contains, without ever actually stating that this is what it contains. So he can always appear innocent of any actual lie....while giving an impression of the mandate that's a pure and complete lie.

    http://www.youtube.com/...

    Never think this is stupidity on the part of these people. They work hard and smart to create these smears. We need to work hard to refute them.  

    Freedom has two enemies: Those who want to control everyone around them...and those who feel no need to control themselves.

    by Sirenus on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:37:15 PM PDT

  •  Yeah, Romney has been "busted" many times (0+ / 0-)

    THIS is a good page from a site a lot of folks here don't particularly care for (Huff Post), but there are many articles that people can go to that show how Romney has been disengenuous and a straight-up liar.  

    Reading the main article shown had an interesting paragraph that said:

    If the Bush tax cuts are renewed, CBO says, and if automatic spending cuts mandated by last year's budget and debt pact are waived as seems possible, annual deficits would average more than $1 trillion a year over the coming decade and would, economists says, eventually spark an economic crisis.
    I'm sure there aren't many people that think the federal government shouldn't work to reduce this kind of debt/deficits.  With so many cities now "going under" and with the fiscal troubles we're seeing with some European countries...we need to "get the message", I think.  

    This site a good read, IMO.  

    The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

    by commonsensically on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 03:55:25 PM PDT

    •  The Bush "Tax Cuts"" were a stab in the back (0+ / 0-)

      of the 99%.

      It's all borrowed money and if the Tea-O-P has its way, 100% of it will be paid back by the 99%.

      The Bush "Tax Cuts" were one of the biggest mistakes in American history and due to the Bush Great Depression, we still can't undo the damage.

  •  Americans conservatives are monsters (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cocinero, indie17

    who would rather let 30 million innocent Americans go without health insurance than stop the profiteering of the medical establishment.  They love money and only money and their loyalty is to their money and not to the nation.  While their religion worships an avaricious god that wrings tithes out of  the poor.

  •  Lies listed? Check! Lies successfully refuted? Err (0+ / 0-)

    rr. ...

    So we in our echo chamber get to grind our teeth and feel good about debunkiing the BS, but how do you start to undo the damage? How do we begin to pick the cowpies off the mural we are trying so carefully to paint, to enlighten our fellow Americans, at least half of whom seem predisposed to eat the shit the Reds are dishing up?

    "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

    by jm214 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 04:00:48 PM PDT

  •  Any time Republican politicians raise a chorus of (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    cocinero

    vile accusations against Democrats, you'd better hold on to your hat because they're already doing that very thing themselves.

    A prime example is their "death panels." The fact is, Republicans don't mind "death panels" at all, as long as they get to be the panelists, and they've already decided which offense gets the death penalty: being poor and/or uninsurable.

    Lots of children like Sarah Palin's would be on the Republican death list if their parents didn't have the money to care for them beause Republicans would do away with Medicaid, and lot of seniors, too, because Republicans would do away with Medicare. Just imagine many of the seniors now in nursing homes paid for by Medicaid instead living on their own.

    This woudn't be a country I'd want to live in.

    Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

    by RJDixon74135 on Sun Jul 15, 2012 at 05:33:00 PM PDT

  •  The time has come (0+ / 0-)

    to eliminate ALL healthcare and benefits for all congressmen.  Let them get their own damned insurance like the rest of us have to do

  •  Job Killing..Don't Forget Job Killing. (0+ / 0-)

    That's the one that gets to me. I still waiting for the one.  Yes that one actual business.  Just one. One that is shutting down rather than buying health insurance for their employees. That's right.  Find that one company that will be giving it all up.  Income.  Profit. Time and money invested. Customer base. Business plan.  The whole shebang - to go on the dole (I guess) - rather than purchase health insurance because you don't want your employees to be healthy and show up more often for work.  Apparently these companies exist. And there's thousands of them.  Should be easy. I still haven't found any yet.  I must be looking in the wrong places.  Perhaps, I ought to look in Bermuda? Switzerland?  China?  Any help appreciated...

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