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Public Policy Polling for Daily Kos & SEIU. 7/12-7/15. Registered voters. MoE ±3.1% (6/28-7/1 results):

Do you think Mitt Romney should release his tax returns for the last 12 years, or not?

He should: 56
He should not: 34

Those numbers speak for themselves. Despite Mitt Romney's refusal to release any tax returns at all before 2010, voters want him to meet the standard set by his father—the release of 12 years worth of returns. President Obama has already met that standard and with Romney's refusing to follow suit, we can only guess at the reasons why.

Whatever those reasons are, Romney has clearly calculated that releasing the returns would cause more damage than hiding them. Judging by the fact that a solid majority favors disclosure, those returns must not look good for Mittens.

There's a partisan skew to these numbers, of course, with Democrats overwhelmingly favoring disclosure and Republicans opposing it. But as David Axelrod points out, the poll shows that independents are squarely on the side of releasing the documents:

Independents think Romney should release 12 years of returns by a 61/27 margin:
What the heck is stopping them?
@davidaxelrod via Twitter for iPhone
Moderates also favor disclosure by a wide margin, 65 percent to 25 percent.

One very interesting note is that the income group most supportive of disclosure were people earning over $100,000 per year. The sample size there is pretty small, but at the very least it's a reminder that this isn't a "class warfare" issue. This is about disclosure versus secrecy.

We also asked whether voters thought Mitt Romney should release documents about his overseas investments in places like Switzerland and Bermuda. A similar margin—56 percent to 36 percent—favored disclosure.

As always, you can read the full crosstabs here. Overall, according to the poll, President Obama holds a two point lead over Mitt Romney.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Elections on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 09:41 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Those making over $100,000 want them released... (16+ / 0-)

    So they can learn his tricks.  Seems a lot of folks want to know the IRA gimmick he used.  

    •  Not likely (7+ / 0-)

      I think you need to make at least a million a year to use most of them.

      In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

      by blue aardvark on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 09:55:12 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Private equity partners - Romney was able to (0+ / 0-)

      stuff his IRA will millions, which you and I cannot do, because it is a tax code special law for private equity partners.  So if you are one of those, you have opportunities for protecting your millions from taxation that wage slaves such as you and I do not have.  That's what they get for the millions they give to politicians for their campaign coffers.

  •  Just release them, Mittens! (4+ / 0-)

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 09:49:18 AM PDT

  •  I tend to think that the speculation... (8+ / 0-)

    going on regarding why he's not releasing them is probably worse than what's actually in there.  I could be wrong, but I've seen a wide array of outlandish reasons.

    I think Romney is just bullheaded, stubborn and seriously miscalculating how much damage this will cause.  I think he also thinks he can just buy this election, like he's bought everything else he ever wanted in his life.

    Typical spoiled, entitled rich twerp behavior.

    Facts are liberally bias

    by SuzieQ4624 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 09:49:29 AM PDT

  •  I also hope that the minute Romney names (9+ / 0-)

    a VP that the call begins for that person to also practice transparency. It is fairly likely, though, that said person will already have done so as part of running for Senator or Governor - which will only put Romney's refusal into sharper relief.

    This issue will pay dividends right up until Romney releases more data, at which point the fun will begin in earnest as we find out how many times Romney went right up to the legal limit in avoiding taxes.

    Damn that Midwestern drought, it is raising the price of popcorn just when I need it.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 09:52:34 AM PDT

  •  Two-point lead. Wow. (3+ / 0-)
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    kayfromsouth, sawgrass727, yellowdog

    We'd better hope this Bain thing is a true drip-by-drip effect because right now, very few Americans seem to give a shit.  I love how every week that Obama is squeaking past this vulturous POS Romney, the lead -- the top line number -- gets buried under 'tax returns' and all the rest.

    And please don't give me 'national polls mean nothing.'  Win the national, win the election.  Except for once in the 1800s, as 2000 doesn't count.

    •  The irresistible force versus the immovable object (8+ / 0-)
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      JML9999, jj32, jnhobbs, Bharat, LordMike, itskevin, askew, IM

      The economy is bad and Romney is a bad candidate. Two competing forces resulting in this status quo.

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:07:35 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  I think it will take time to see if it (0+ / 0-)

      becomes a major issue or not. Someone pointed out how a lot of people didnt even know the SCOTUS ruling on healthcare right after it came out.

      I do think Bain is about trying to define Romney, and take away his main argument for being president(private sector experience).

    •  Here's where you're going to see more effect: (1+ / 0-)
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      Loss of enthusiasm.

      This will be a close election, short of a gigaton bombshell, just because people are that polarized politically and the conservatives have that much money. But they're getting blown to smithereens on enthusiasm and prestige for the Republican cause. Baining is going to have a long-term and appreciable effect on the shape of political discourse in this country.

      •  Tea Baggers do not EVER stay home. We need to (5+ / 0-)

        drill this into our heads.  They might get mad, they might write in Sarah or Ron Paul....they might even bring out either one of the fore mentioned out from behind the curtain in Tampa and throw Romney to the curb because he isn't even nominated in full yet.... but they will never stay home.

         They will crawl over broken glass, in the rain or snow, with every back woods cousin they have in tow and vote on Election Day.  Make no mistake about that.

        Indies are either on our side or on their side right now.  You will not find many "ho hum...I really just don't know who to pick" people out there in this economic climate during all of these momentous and paramount issues that are so polarizing. The undecided is probably close to <5% at this point or lower.  The only thing that will make indies stay at home is if they literally hate both of them....and that doesn't help us.  

        We cannot count of an enthusiasm gap with them to win this election.  We must GOTV with our side, because unfortunately it is our side that always seems to have that problem.

      •  What effect (0+ / 0-)

        will continued poor job numbers do? Will they out weigh the Bain Attacks?

    •  It's still summertime (1+ / 0-)
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      and a lot of people aren't in election mode yet -- if the Obama campaign's rolling out this stuff now, who knows what they're holding back for, say, after Labor Day when people are back and watching the new network shows, especially in swing states?

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:28:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Public opinion doesn't neccesarily swing fast. (0+ / 0-)

      Let's reserve our judgement about the effect of Bain until after this has been going on a couple of weeks.  Just because polls are now conducted daily doesn't mean each one is the be-all end all.

    •  Movement in swing states (1+ / 0-)
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      the most dramatic example was the Purple Strategies poll of Ohio that showed Obama going from a 3-point deficit to a 3-point lead. But other polling in Ohio and other states has also shown Obama running strong in the critical battlegrounds--Quinnipiac and Priorities USA, who use a reliable pollster to survey the states where they are running ads.

    •  Crosstabs: Romney gets 10% of the black vote. (0+ / 0-)

      Fat chance!  Also, Dem/Repub sampling is 38/37.  Fat chance!  

      •  Both probably within MOE (1+ / 0-)
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        The sample of black voters is probably pretty small, so it will have a large MOE. And I'd expect Romney to at least get the 5% that McCain got, maybe plus a percent or two for the bad economy.

        Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, remorseless supporter of Walker's recall. Pocan for Congress and Baldwin for Senate!

        by fearlessfred14 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 11:13:54 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  The national polling means nothing. (1+ / 0-)
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      Just because you have a 45% of everyone making an idiotic choice doesn't mean it's real close. If you dig down into the electoral votes, Obama has a significant lead.

      Over at TalkingPointsMemo, the scoreboard has Obama winning WITHOUT EVEN NEEDING TO WIN ANY OF THE SWING STATES. So, Romney would have to run the table on all four of the swing states, and then peel away 1 or more of the blue states. Over at FiveThirtyEight, it pretty much says the same thing.

      I'm not saying the Obama campaign should let their foot off the gas, because the stakes are too high. But the horse race is not nearly as close as the national polls would lead you to believe.

    •  also (0+ / 0-)

      the President's job approval and Favorability are upside down. I havent seen a recent poll where the Job approval is over 47. Dr Dean says he needs a new slogan. What are we suppose to be rallying around?

  •  there'll be no date, just diversion...VP will out (2+ / 0-)
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    JML9999, stagemom

    Rubio, Jeb, Kay Bailey, Huck

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:05:23 AM PDT

    •  I don't think it'll be KBH (2+ / 0-)
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      annieli, stagemom

      because of what doomed her in 2008 -- Romney's already on thin ice with the Religious Reich because of his Mormonism; putting a pro-choice female on the ticket would ensure those folks stay home or vote 3rd Party.

      I'd say most likely on that list would be Rubio even though he's ruled himself out -- I don't see Huck taking a secondary role but if he can set himself up as Party Savior he just might go for it.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:23:17 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Bizarre question: why not ask (2+ / 0-)
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    SBandini, gabjoh

    "should he release more than two years?"  Because some of the "should not" might be thinking twenty years, and some might be thinking five.

    I bet if you asked if Mitt's doing the right thing, you'd get the diehard 24%.  

    SCANDAL: Bush Supreme Court nominee Roberts upholds Romney's individual mandate! Another politically motivated decision!

    by Inland on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:05:58 AM PDT

  •  Given the tendency to use the wrong surrogate (0+ / 0-)

    has any of Romney's surrogates had tax problems most likely that will be the one on the air.

    Not blaming Bush for the mess we're in, is like not blaming a train engineer for a fatal train wreck because he's no longer driving the train.

    by JML9999 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:07:38 AM PDT

  •  Seriously ... (6+ / 0-)

    Mitt's father set a precedent for that.

    Then again GWB did not listen to his father when GHWB advised not to attack Iraq.

    "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

    by Candide08 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:11:32 AM PDT

  •  Does that mean that 34% of people (1+ / 0-)
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    believe that it's good to be sneaky and rich?  I think it does.  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:17:15 AM PDT

  •  The usual 30% tribals (3+ / 0-)

    They'd be all for child molestation if their leaders did it.

    Progressive Candidate Obama (now - Nov 6, 2012)
    Bipartisan Obama returns (Nov 7, 2012)

    by The Dead Man on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:19:45 AM PDT

  •  Who is god's name are the 36% (3+ / 0-)
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    highfive, minorityusa, sawgrass727

    of poll respondents who don't think Romney should release information about his overseas investments?  Are these the same people who don't think he should release tax returns or information on his foreign bank accounts?  These must be people who don't think he should do anything but be appointed to the presidency.  After all, he's a Republican and he's not black.

    I wonder what these people will demand of their candidate regarding foreign policy.  Just talk tough and don't bow?

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:20:28 AM PDT

  •  I wonder in this sample... (0+ / 0-)

    ...what are the "battleground state" numbers (where the Bain attacks have been strongest).

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:21:19 AM PDT

  •  the results of this poll (1+ / 0-)
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    look something like they might on election eve for the general election if things keep up like this.

    Hillary Sent Me. OBAMA/BIDEN '12

    by HillaryIsMyHomegirl on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:21:20 AM PDT

  •  Willard Mittens Romney would rather (2+ / 0-)
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    sawgrass727, stagemom

    Keep his finances secret than run for POTUS.

    This is his right as a patriotic citizen and if so he can ride his wife's dressage horse into the sunset and live with his money in the Cayman Islands and forget being POTUS.

    'Cons great pick.

    Who's next?

  •  Ok, so unless PPP is doing something wrong (2+ / 0-)
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    DefendOurConstitution, yellowdog

    I think we have to come to grips with the likely reality that the partisan gap has significantly narrowed for this November.

    I'm liking, but not loving, where we are with the racial crosstabs. Obama used to routinely hit 60% with hispanic voters. Not so much recently.

    Ok, so I read the polls.

    by andgarden on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:24:46 AM PDT

    •  Hispanic voters just in this poll? (0+ / 0-)

      Consistently the one crosstab that swings about most in these weekly polls.

      55-35 here, 61-33 last time. Before that 58-34, 61-32, 53-32, 49-45,  58-40 and so on.

      And the gap is far larger in most other national polls.

      Meanwhile, you always say to look at whites as being the most reliable crosstab.

      41 here, 41 last time. Before that 40, 42, 43, 44, 40, 42, 41.

      I agree the partisan gap has likely narrowed however.

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:45:54 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What I mean is (0+ / 0-)

        that previously Obama going under 60% in hispanic support was very rare, and now it happens regularly. Regarding white voters, you are quite right; that's why I said that I like where we are with the racial crosstabs.

        Ok, so I read the polls.

        by andgarden on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 12:38:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I would note most other national polls (0+ / 0-)

          Have Obama in the 30s with whites just as they find a bigger lead with Hispanics than PPP. Just goes to show we should never rely on one poll for the state of the race.

          "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

          by conspiracy on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 01:05:00 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  Hispanic crosstabs are not valid (0+ / 0-)

          The only valid Hispanic polling has been Hispanic-only polls such as by Latino Decisions, and Hispanic oversamples such as by NBC/WSJ.

          All the reliable Hispanic polling shows Obama with record support, in the high 60s or occasionally even breaking 70, while Mitt languishes in the high 20s or low 30s.

          This is why I feel pretty good about Colorado and Nevada.  I don't think Mitt can overcome this in those states.

          44, male, Indian-American, married and proud father of a girl and 2 boys, Democrat, VA-10

          by DCCyclone on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 08:54:16 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  It's not just partisan gap (0+ / 0-)

      PPP thinks your people will turnout less, and old people more than previously.

      2008 partisan numbers: D+7
      This poll: D+1

      Uh, yeah, Obama will have a 2 point lead if the partisan turnout is that wildly different from.  If however turnout is like 2008, add 6+2 = 8 point victory.  Obama won by 7.3%.

      Basically, hardly anything has changed in four years.  All that matters is turnout.  If turnout is in the same broad ballpark as 2008, Obama wins easily.  If turnout is drastically different this year, Obama should win a close popular vote race but still win the Electoral college with at least a couple states to spare.

      One of these days I'd like to see PPP put out a poll with a sample about the same as 2008 in terms of Obama/McCain, party ID, and age, and then let us see.  To spoil the suspense, it would show Obama +9 or so.

      Mr. Gorbachev, establish an Electoral College!

      by tommypaine on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 12:21:13 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Seriously. . . (0+ / 0-)

    Who is that 34%?!

    The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

    by Pacifist on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:26:36 AM PDT

    •  low info voters who could care less about anything (0+ / 0-)

      of significance.  

      •  Maybe committed Republican voters. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory.

        by Pacifist on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:52:52 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Perhaps...or low info voters who could really care (0+ / 0-)

          less about anything of significance.  

          Do you know how many Americans who vote can't name the currant VP but could write a in depth Bio on Katy Perry or Rihanna?  Or could name even a single member or the Cabinet....or even know what the Cabinet is?  Or have any clue about the differences in the parties and who favors what issues that mean the most in their personal lives? Tons of American voters who would have our electoral process reduced to the level of American Idol, if we allowed it.

          Come sit in my classroom one day and bring up any of the topics listed above and see the blank stares and bored faces and hear the "but I don't care" or "death panels are real" or "didn't he raised our taxes" or "global warming is a hoax" comments and it will make you have nightmares.

  •  Republicans don't want to know anything (2+ / 0-)
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    sawgrass727, stagemom

    about their leaders.

    Ann Richards on how to be a good Republican: You have to be against all government programs, but expect Social Security checks on time.

    by shoeless on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27:07 AM PDT

  •  Whats funny to me, is I actually don't think (0+ / 0-)

    his returns will be ground breaking.  We are definitely hyping it up.  I hope someone has a hint of what it in there.  I actually think the Bain stuff is more powerful...

    "But once John Boehner is sworn in as Speaker, then he’s going to have responsibilities to govern. You can’t just stand on the sidelines and be a bomb thrower." - President Obama, 12-07-2010

    by justmy2 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:27:21 AM PDT

    •  Don't forget that the head of IRS reports to the (0+ / 0-)

      POTUS! The Barack Team is too sharp to do this without already knowing the outcome.

      BTW It's know as incumbent advantage.

      "I cannot live without books" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1815

      by Templar on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:34:06 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  BS - that is what got Nixon in trouble. Obama (2+ / 0-)
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        Zack from the SFV, justmy2

        Is way too smart (and principled) for that.

        •  A government offical examining a tax (0+ / 0-)

          return is not a crime. The POTUS has full authority over all executive branch operations.

          And, BTW, someone within the IRS could indicate whether or not the Pres should pursue a certain course of action without ever revealing anything existing in a tax return.

          "I cannot live without books" -- Thomas Jefferson, 1815

          by Templar on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 11:00:59 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Yes it is, if he has no business reviewing it (0+ / 0-)

            From article two of Nixon Impeachment:

            He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavoured to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be intitiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.
  •  I wonder who doesn't favor disclosure? (2+ / 0-)
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    sawgrass727, Zack from the SFV

    I mean, other than the Bunker People. Why shouldn't we be able to inspect the records of our highest-level public servants before hiring them? I can't fathom the mindsets that are pro-secrecy.

    As an aside, as Romney clearly does not intend to release his returns, despite the entire McCain camp having seen them (and therefore one must assume that they will be leaked before November), shouldn't he announce a VP or something just to distract us?

    Is Bobby Jindal too much to hope for?

    Lover, fighter, dreamer

    by kate mckinnon on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:32:40 AM PDT

  •  Would all offshore investments be disclosed (0+ / 0-)

    in the tax filings if he were to release them? Or has he managed to transfer assets to other entities so that they are shielded from IRS reporting requirements? If so, just releasing tax records may not be enough.

    We don't inherit the world from the past. We borrow it from the future.

    by minorityusa on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:33:55 AM PDT

  •  If the moderates and independents want to see (0+ / 0-)

    the returns they don't seem too mad yet,  as Romney has not dropped in the polls.

  •  If the Republicans had a decent... (0+ / 0-)

    ...opponent (by their standards), the national result may have been worse for the president. If this is any indication, the president is benefiting from the high effectiveness of his campaign combined with the fatal flaws of his opponent. It's no wonder some Republicans are talking about "a historic opportunity" for them going down the tubes because of the embarrassment that has become Mitt Romney.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:35:22 AM PDT

  •  Why stop at 12 ? (0+ / 0-)

    Why not go all the way back and look at all his tax returns?

    And while we are at it, he should undergo a full FBI background investigation

  •  Crosstabs are amazing - Romney and Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    are seen as unfavorable by a majority/plurality (by contrast Obama is about even and the Dems are favored by a plurality).

    Me thinks they have sullied the name of the Republican Party to a point where there is no coming back.

    I was a bit surprised by the 30-45 group as they seemed to be more pro-Romney/Republican than the 45-65 (I guess it's us baby boomers in the 45-65 that tilt that group).

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:37:16 AM PDT

  •  Interesting that on 2 of the 4 polling days (3+ / 0-)

    that PPP has in its internals, Obama was at or over 50% and had a 6 point and 11 point (Sunday, last day of poll).  The 2 point result seems to be a fairly conservative weighting of the polling results (probably to avoid being too far out of line with other national polls), but it does suggest some real upside for Obama that may continue to crystallize in the following weeks and months.

    Alternative rock with something to say:

    by khyber900 on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 10:43:51 AM PDT

  •  Such repartee...not (3+ / 0-)

    A twitter response to Axelrods' tweet:

    Chuck Justice ‏@Habledash
    .@davidaxelrod Americans think Obama should release his college records so they learn more about the most secretive president in history.
    I had to click through to the sender to verify his politics to make sure this wasn't an ironic joke.  

    I mean, I'm aware of Trump's nonsense about college transcripts but it's, carry the idea forward.  An idea so bad it seems satirical.   But conservatives notoriously have no sense of concept humor.

  •  Hope they don't let up on this. (1+ / 0-)
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    Zack from the SFV

    Just keep pressing the issue all the way through November. There is no valid response to it, and the more frustrated Romney gets the weirder he looks to the voting public.

  •  i think romney (0+ / 0-)

    owes the american voter the same respect he gave the mccain campaign, release the same income tax records as he did in 2008 when he was being vetted to be mccain's vp, of course as we all know the gop has no respect for the american voter or the the franchise of voting in particular.

  •  Of course the higher-income folks want disclosure: (1+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude

    They want to know all the tricks he used.

    Ignorance is never random. - Gunnar Myrdal

    by ThomasAllen on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 11:04:11 AM PDT

  •  Romney HAS released 12 years of returns! (1+ / 0-)
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    Romney has released returns for 2010, 2010, 2010, 2010, 2010, 2010, 2010, 2010, 2010, 2010, 2010 and 2010!

    Ha-ha! I bet you Obama people never thought of the "release the same year twelve times" loophole! That's clever CEO thinking, right there!

  •  why only a 2% lead and why...... (0+ / 0-)

    is Obama doing so poorly with those earning between $50,000 and $100,000? I guess it's because the $50-100K is the sweet spot for the white working class but it would be nice to see Obama cut into that demographic. Sad thing is that Mitt Romney would be a disaster for those folks...

  •  i can't help myself... (0+ / 0-)

    when axelrod says "them" at the end of the sentence, i think what he means is the plural romney campaign members should release romney's tax returns...
    but only romney-singular has been mentioned above, and it seems like "them" is referring to "independents."
    anyway it's sloppy writing for a frickin' professional.
    moving on...

    Make the RepubliCONS own it! It's their health plan, fer chrissakes!

    by stagemom on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 11:21:52 AM PDT

  •  Let The Games Begin! (0+ / 0-)

    ok, a real comment.  the olympics starts on July 25-ish.

    if Axelrod et al, can keep this "what is he hiding?" story front and center for a few more days, then WEAVE IN the tax fight-- get on top of the news cycle...start talking "frivolous deductions"...AND blind trusts, like jon stewart did last night...AND Romney's 15% tax rate....AND hopefully the truth gets out that Romney paid NO TAXES in one of those years...

    then WHAM!  The Olympics start...LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!
    my friend, Rafalca, will come horse-dancing into the ring and take us all on a ride--the ride of our lives!  YE-HAW!!!

  •  Disheartening (0+ / 0-)

    I know this is a long game, but it still disheartens me that with all that's gone on the last few weeks, Obama is still only 2 points ahead.

    A lot of people must REALLY hate this President if half the country is still considering voting for Romney.

    •  It isn't that (0+ / 0-)

      Obama's personal numbers haven't dropped. The economy is bad and not getting better, and people are scared and looking for answers. They don't know Romney like the political junkies here..but they will once they really start paying attention.

      That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it!

      Arizona: Remember the good old days, when we were just known as the Grand Canyon State?

      by AZ RedWingsFan on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 12:13:38 PM PDT

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    •  Within the last two weeks (0+ / 0-)

      There was another disappointing jobs report.

      "What do you mean "conspiracy"? Does that mean it's someone's imaginings and that the actual polls hovered right around the result?" - petral

      by conspiracy on Tue Jul 17, 2012 at 01:06:17 PM PDT

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  •  amassed 140M(?) in ira!!! (0+ / 0-)

    I believe it was on ian master's program yesterday which covered that mere mortals can't put 5k/year for X years and end up with 140M (? from recollection).  Romney likely used some very creative accounting as to the valuation of the debt loaded buyouts and valued them at mere pennies. Naturally, one can't continue to shelter them as a portion of "earned income" in the ira tax shelter if he "gave up his position at bain" 3 years earlier. So, the issue is not merely if a "characterization" of material involvement past a date, is worthy of investigation by the SEC, but likely he is hiding a "want the best of both worlds" lest it be found that a BIG chunk of is tax sheltered nest egg was amassed illegally. Yes, there is more to the story so let's let it play out and insist that what was good for Sr. romney and vp mccain is the standard he should adhere to - 12 yrs of returns. the people want to know if a crook is looking to run the nation.

    and on the same subject, it was revealed (abc/nbc) that Denise rich undeclared u.s. citizenship to avoid taxes from the country that she and marc rich made much of their wealth. support schumer and enact the laws people use to bribe politicians (clinton's pardon) and then end up screwing the country. We see the exact same thing playing out with adelson's  30M contribution and now romney support, because he is looking to escape the foreign corrupt policies act (politico et al). How much longer before he renounces and goes to israel?

  •  Poll movement (0+ / 0-)

    Polls have not moved very much in recent days.  Some Romney supporters are insisting this is proof that the Bain/Taxes campaigns are not working.  How do we counter that argument?

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