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Imagine if President Obama said this:
There are a lot of people in government who help us and allow us to have an economy that works and allow entrepenuers and business leaders of various kinds to start businesses and create jobs. We all recognize that. That's an important thing.
Or if he said this:
I know that you recognize that a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the banks, the investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help.
Republicans would go nuts, right? Fox would go on a 72 hour nonstop bender on the evils of Obama's socialism. Rupert Murdoch would be tweeting in fear from the safety of Dick Cheney's bunker.

But those aren't President Obama's words. They're Mitt Romney's. And they aren't from a few weeks ago or a few months ago or a few years ago. He said them today, and he said them while falsely accusing the president of having said that "if you've got a business, you didn't build that." President Obama said no such thing. His actual words:

Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.
So "that" was "roads and bridges." Not your business. The larger point he was making, in his own words:
When we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
Things like investing in roads and bridges, creating fire departments and police forces, and having public schools. In other words, the exact same things that Mitt Romney talked about today. But don't expect President Obama to demand an apology from Romney for stealing his words. After all, there's still that whole Obamneycare thing they need to work out.

Originally posted to The Jed Report on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:06 PM PDT.

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  •  Mitt Romney was too busy planning haircuts (8+ / 0-)

    in school to attend English class.

    Republicans believe you need an ID to vote but you can donate millions to any candidate completely anonymously. (h/t jbou)

    by Calouste on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:08:35 PM PDT

  •  hahahahaha Mittens is a socialist (12+ / 0-)

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:09:45 PM PDT

    •  There's something else going on here ... (2+ / 0-)
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      Dave the pro, FloridaSNMOM

      did Romney and/or his staff only read to the "two sentence" quote that Fox News has been broadcasting? And react like the rest of the Fox News Drones?

      The people creating this false outrage have to know that they took the comments out of context. How good is Romney's staff in rebuttals if they respond to what President Obama said with what President Obama said?

      I have to wonder who Romney is outsourcing his response messaging to. These people just keep walking into these traps as if they have blindfolds on.

      For me, Mitt reminds me of Jeff Bridges in Starman. He's like an alien that hasn't read the entire manual. You know, he's going, "Nice to be in a place where the trees are the right size. -- Robin Williams on Letterman 26 Apr 2012

      by hungrycoyote on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:46:48 PM PDT

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      •  Are there no journalists out there? (1+ / 0-)
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        More Questions Than Answers

        A story like this on CNN (the supposed neutral cable news network) should have the headline: Romney lied about President Obama for the second straight day.  Then spend the next 30 seconds showing what Romney said and what Obama really said.  Then they could ask Ann Coulter why Romney feels he must lie to win.  They could then ask the same question of Michael Reagan.  Then Dick Morris - well you get the idea.

        Mitt is lying because that's all he has.  That's it.  He can't campaign on facts and ideological truths.  He doesn't have them.  He has to depend on lies.

        And the media helps him do it.  

      •  no, it's not just the campaign staff (1+ / 0-)
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        Jeb repeated the campaign's take on these lines today in Ohio, mocking the President, so it is not just the hapless staff members who are willfully ignorant, creating false impressions.  

        More likely, this was a Rush Limbaugh or Karl Rove decision that the others are just parroting, pretending that their 'misquote' is what the President actually said.  

      •  No... (0+ / 0-)

        This is actually fairly brilliant.

        See, they take Obama's quote out of context, feed it to the Wingnuts (who will accept it at face value), and then since Obama actually has a very good point, they steal that point and use it themselves.

        If Obama successfully points out that no, that's not what he said and his point was that we all need the help of society to get by, then the Wingnuts will have a new rationalization:  "Obama's just trying to steal Romney's campaign ideas."

    •  I borrowed from my parents, (2+ / 0-)
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      Gordon20024, FloridaSNMOM

      received a scholarship and paid back for undergrad. Borrowed from them (through the bank) paid them back (when I received my USPHS scholarship) for Medical School. Paid back the USPHS (United States Public Health Service) through service in West Texas.

      My education was financed either through a bank or the US Government. Some parents don't have the resources to support their kids, let alone send them to K-12, college or grad school.

      Do these guys ever wonder why we are falling behind the rest of the world, especially the Near  and Far East, in education? Do they even care. Duh, cheap labor.

      Fuck their children's future; they certainly are fucking with our kids future.

      "Jeder nach seinen Fähigkeiten, jedem nach seinen Bedürfnissen!" oder "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need"

      by drpmeade on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:57:15 PM PDT

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  •  Actually it sounds like he's retooling (6+ / 0-)

    President Obama's speeches.

  •  Romney just can't help himself, it appears (6+ / 0-)

    He's such a gawd-awful campaigner that, just as the Mighty Wurlitzer starts to rumble and the stops are opening ...

    he goes and steps on the message.

    He really is incompetent at this business.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:19:19 PM PDT

  •  There is a candidate in this race who lies openly (4+ / 0-)

    repeatedly, and with a bald face.

    That candidate, however, is not Barack Obama...

    Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
    ¡Boycott Arizona!

    by litho on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:20:07 PM PDT

  •  From hearing Mittens in this clip... (5+ / 0-)

    ...lying is the only thing he has left. He's lied on just about everything, and he refuse to release his tax returns. This is a man who's hiding something and is trying to lie his way out.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." --Gandhi

    by alaprst on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:21:31 PM PDT

  •  This is staggering (3+ / 0-)

    Is he listening to anybody, including himself?

  •  Sounds like the heat has finally and officially (1+ / 0-)
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    and completely fried his brain.

  •  watched it live (4+ / 0-)
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    texasmom, tb mare, Gordon20024, rlharry

    the look on Romney's face was that satisfied glee look that kind that must have been on Mitt's face when he  'pushed sons face into butter, pushed his grandson's face into whipped cream; holding down and cutting hair of gay prep school mate; glee/enjoying himself when he set up his blind school teacher to brash into a wall; the satisfaction Mitt got during college years when he dressed up in a police uniform and pulled over drivers on highway;

    Human Corpses Are Prize In Global Drive For Profits: the U.S. supplies two-thirds of the world's human-tissue products

    by anyname on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:23:23 PM PDT

    •  Eewww, he sounds like (2+ / 0-)
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      tb mare, anyname

      the villain in a bad Lifetime late-night movie.  I'm turning it off before the small animal torture scene starts...

      The truth always matters.

      by texasmom on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:45:00 PM PDT

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    •  I wish they would correct the video contrast (1+ / 0-)
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      because I'm having trouble finding any people of color in the audience.

    •  Who is the guy... (0+ / 0-)

      ...who reads faces - way back there was great article about the technique. During the Dem primaries before the '92 election he watched CLinton and described him as the kind of guy who wants to get caught with his hand in the cookie jar and have you love him for it anyway.

      Wonder how that self-satisfied glee in Willard's visage would strike him.

      •  imagine him looking at you (0+ / 0-)

        and saying:

        I don't care, to a lesbian mother

        I like to fire people, to outsourced employees

        atta girl to a guy guy,

        I don't care, to parent of children without health care

        you're on your own, to elderly

        you don't qualify for gov social programs, who have a refrigerator

        we cancelled Pell grants and scholarships, tough luck

        .....stuff like that  

        did you ever get stuck in school with a bully or have hostile aggressive insecure competitive sibling?

        pick some role for yourself and imagine him as the bully

        Human Corpses Are Prize In Global Drive For Profits: the U.S. supplies two-thirds of the world's human-tissue products

        by anyname on Thu Jul 19, 2012 at 04:52:57 AM PDT

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  •  You know, though, that it's (2+ / 0-)

    all the President's fault. He should have said "those" instead of "that."  ;)

    Mitt Romney should be publicly shamed for the ways he is twisting, distorting, taking out of context, and then stealing the President's words.

    To the stocks with him!

    Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

    by Miniaussiefan on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:26:03 PM PDT

  •  There's a difference. When a businessman says it (6+ / 0-)

    It's "pro-business." When a socialist foreigner President says it, then it's anti-business. Got it? Good.

  •  The concept that escapes most conservatives (4+ / 0-)

    seems to be 'context'. They seem to have no use for it at all. They can't be that plain stupid, which must mean the old adage is correct:

    It's easier to teach liberals economics than to teach conservatives compassion. (it's a stretch, but I don't care)

    Only the weak & defeated are called to account for their crimes.

    by rreabold on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:27:41 PM PDT

  •  Now add plagerism (5+ / 0-)
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    Hushes, uciguy30, Gordon20024, rlharry, 417els

    I guess we can now add Plagiarism to Romneys toolkit.    

    Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

    by bobtmn on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:29:51 PM PDT

  •  The Romneybot is simply dumb! (3+ / 0-)

    This is priceless....let's see if the librul media picks this up too!

    Stepford Annie Romney is a member of teabagger Palin's mean-girls squad! Good luck with that Ann

    by BlueFranco on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:30:42 PM PDT

  •  Government helps us with almost everything (2+ / 0-)
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    historys mysteries, rlharry

    Other than breathing, I'm pretty sure I can make a case that government helps people in our country with everything in our lives.  If not making sure our food is not tainted, then making sure there are roads to bring that food to us locally from all over the nation and beyond.  If not making sure we have an adequate education, then making sure that we have a solid group of teachers to teach us.  I mean, this one is pretty crazy, isn't it?  

    Of COURSE government has help each and every entrepeneur...both successful and those not so successful.  Just the fact that we have anti-monopoly laws in this country has led to VAST growth in small businesses...and in most cases, large businesses as well.  Um...government did that, guys.  

    Next issue.

    The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

    by commonsensically on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:31:05 PM PDT

  •  I mentioned this in a diary last night: (9+ / 0-)

    My father is an avid Fox News watcher, who suffers from Fox Geezer Syndrome, and he sent me an email on Monday asking:

    Obama is claiming that you were not responsible for creating you XXXXXX business.  I think he believes it was the government.  Is it possible that you were funded through the stimulus government spending?  If so, it was your tax dollars that funded the stimulus.  Just a thought.
    I didn't know what the heck he was talking about, until I saw a post over at TPM. In case you have your own Fox Geezers Syndrome friends and/or family members, here's how I responded to my father:

    If I watched Fox News and only saw the clip where President Obama said,

    If you've got a business -- you didn't build that.  Somebody else made that happen.

    I too might be outraged. However, if Fox had not seen fit to edit what President Obama said … not so much:

    OBAMA: [L]ook, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own.  You didn't get there on your own.  I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart.  There are a lot of smart people out there.  It must be because I worked harder than everybody else.  Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help.  There was a great teacher somewhere in your life.  Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive.  Somebody invested in roads and bridges.  If you've got a business -- you didn't build that.  Somebody else made that happen.  The Internet didn't get invented on its own.  Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.  There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own.  I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service.  That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

    So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together.  That's how we funded the GI Bill.  That's how we created the middle class.  That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam.  That's how we invented the Internet.  That's how we sent a man to the moon.  We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President -- because I still believe in that idea.  You're not on your own, we're in this together.

    I wouldn’t be earning a living on the Internet, if somebody else hadn’t built the Internet. When I had the bulk mailing business, I wouldn’t have been able to do that if the government did not create the postal service, or build the roads I drove on to bring the mail to the post office. So, no, I didn’t create XXXXX on my own, nor could I succeed at it if it weren’t for the help of others.

    Why did Fox News edit the clip to only show two sentences that take what President Obama said out of context? Could it be that they are pursing a partisan agenda? What kind of news is that? News is supposed to inform, not create a bias. How fair and balanced is that? Do you think that’s why Rupert Murdock is dividing his company into two divisions, and Fox News will be part of the Entertainment Division?

    How can you have informed opinions if you are basing your opinions on biased information?

    Your Daughter

    For me, Mitt reminds me of Jeff Bridges in Starman. He's like an alien that hasn't read the entire manual. You know, he's going, "Nice to be in a place where the trees are the right size. -- Robin Williams on Letterman 26 Apr 2012

    by hungrycoyote on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:33:18 PM PDT

  •  Is this the most disorganized, incompetent (3+ / 0-)
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    historys mysteries, sfcouple, ipsos

    presidential campaign of the last 30 years?  I was 8 when Dukakis had his go, so I don't really remember that.  But seriously.  On Tuesday you attack Obama for saying that people are successful because they build their success in part as an extension of the apparatuses the collective will has put into place, and then on Wednesday you talk about how people are successful because they build their success in part as an extension of the apparatuses the collective will has put into place?

    Jesus, man.

    Did Mitt's pop and lock pony kick him in the head at horse prom or something?  You'd think when he was given these remarks to read through he'd say "Wait a minute.... Didn't I just attack the President for saying this very thing yesterday?"

    Democracy is often an indictment of the voting populace.

    by electricgrendel on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:34:07 PM PDT

    •  The ads just write themselves... (0+ / 0-)

      I'm LostBuckeye and I approve this message...

      Cut to President Obama's talking point. Display date and time.

      Cut to Candidate Romney's talking point. Display date and time.

      Cut to Candidate Romney's criticism of said talking point.

      Pose thoughtful question.

      End commercial.

  •  On NBC news last night (1+ / 0-)
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    historys mysteries

    they were talking about Rmoney's response to Obama's speech.  I thought they would show how Rmoney had taken Obama out of context.  
    BUT NO, they played just that bit of the video of Obama saying  

    "If you’ve got a business—you didn’t build that."
  •  For goodness sake!! (1+ / 0-)
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    historys mysteries

    Can't he be more subtle about stealing lines? Does he even hear how inappropriate this is in the context of his whole campaign so far? Does he understand what he was saying? On the one hand "we are in this together helping each other" and on the other hand "But give all your money and power to my pals (who BTW have not done such a good job of sharing with you ... oh well ... it was legal because we made the laws to suit us.) Ya suckers for even wanting to believe this." Grin, bow, walk away.

    At least Obama waited a few months and then used slightly different words when he repeated Elizabeth
    Warren and they are on the same side.

    Sheezzzzzzz ... my kids were better at stealing lines when they were 10 ... unfortunately it was usually from me and appropriately flung right back at me.

    "Life without liberty is like a body without spirit. Liberty without thought is like a disturbed spirit." Kahlil Gibran, 'The Vision'

    by CorinaR on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:36:16 PM PDT

  •  Bain profited from government w/Steel Dynamics (3+ / 0-)

    The taxpayers of Indiana helped Bain make millions with Steel Dynamics. Plus he did the same kinds of things as governor.

    FromThink Progress  


    And while the video touts Romney’s “private-sector” team, the company was successful thanks in part to big government subsidies and grants — $37 million from the state of Indiana and DeKalb County. And as the Los Angeles Times reported in January of this year, the county even raised taxes on residents to help fund the mill:

                The county promised $23.4 million in property tax abatements and tax increment finance bonds, as well as a new income tax to generate economic development funds. The latter was required by the state, which shelled out another $13.6 million in tax credits, energy grants, workforce training and funds for roads.

                A new quarter-percent tax on DeKalb County residents financed infrastructure improvements such as roads and railroad exchanges that benefited Steel Dynamics.

    and from the LA Times:  


    Mitt Romney no stranger to tax breaks, subsidies

            Bain Capital profited from a steel company that got them, and he used them to attract business when he governed Massachusetts

  •  I can't WAIT for the debates. they're gonna be (0+ / 0-)


    This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

    by mallyroyal on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:40:05 PM PDT

  •  Mitt, I'd like to you meet Willard. (1+ / 0-)
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    Willard, this is Mitt.

    You two jackpipes should get to know one another.

    The best way to make a Mac run right? Turn it off.

    by here4tehbeer on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:40:31 PM PDT

  •  Romney is hollow (1+ / 0-)
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    historys mysteries

    There is nothing in there inside Romney. He is running on fumes. However, he is a machine and the right wing will fuel him to the finish line regardless of what any reasonable minded voter can see, a soul-less empty suit looking for glory.

  •  Jay Carney just stepped in it. (0+ / 0-)

    Said that Obama had too much on his plate to meet with Jobs Council.  This one is going to hurt.  

    Trust-Fund Kids of America Unite... save the Bush tax cuts!

    by JCPOK on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:41:24 PM PDT

  •  No Mitt, that's just you (5+ / 0-)

    When most of us start a business, we're likely to get help from investors or a bank.

    We're not too likely to get help from mom and dad, because unlike you, our parents don't have a bunch of spare capital sitting around.  And if they do, its their life savings, and we don't want them to risk it on our start-up.

    We also don't spend most of our college years living off of the stock purchased with birthday money.

  •  But is that what makes the GOP base so dump? (0+ / 0-)

    Inability to realise that "great public" services foster private enterprise..and the GOP elite has exploited that dumpness to the fullest and today, we find ourselves with an Olicracy .

    I know that you recognize that a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the banks, the investors. There's no question your mom and dad. Your school teachers. The people that provide roads, the fire, and the police. A lot of people help.

    "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis, 1935 --Talk of foresight--

    by tuma on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:46:20 PM PDT

  •  Considering Mitt has his father's status to thank (2+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy, 417els

    for his privileged life, and considering he made the bulk of his wealth off the back of blue collar (now unemployed) Americans...'d have to think Mittens knows better than anyone how
    important the work of others is to get ahead.

  •  President Obama's (1+ / 0-)
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    "Betting on America" Bus Tour Through Ohio and Pennsylvania

    It is a terrible thing to see and have no vision. ~ Helen Keller

    by Pam from Calif on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 01:57:39 PM PDT

  •  WTF - seriously? How unhinged... (1+ / 0-)
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    dash888 Willard now?

    Is the Willard '12 strategy now just to step up and say the same shit Obama would say?

    72 hour bender?!? How about a nearly 4 year rant?!?

    You truly can't make this shit up.

    •  Yes, "WTF" is the only thing that came to my mind (0+ / 0-)

      on this.  He's aping the Tom Tomorrow cartoon to a "T" and at this point, I'm just waiting for the full on meltdown.

      "There's been a little complication with my complication"

      by dash888 on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 03:02:30 PM PDT

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  •  This may be a little off topic (2+ / 0-)

    Is it only me or has anyone else noticed this? Every time I watch a crowd of people that are behind Mitt Romney speaking, the majority of them seem to look like they would rather be somewhere else. No one looks that fired up to me. Maybe I'm projecting, but it's very odd.

    •  I assume it is required attendance by employers. (0+ / 0-)

      If the ones selected to sit behind him look less than enthused, imagine what the people making up the rest of the audience look like.

      "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

      by 417els on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 04:16:07 PM PDT

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  •  The President Ought To Put Romney's (2+ / 0-)
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    FloridaSNMOM, Hushes

    quote next to President Obamas and say Mitt Romney agrees with President Obama.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 02:01:41 PM PDT

  •  All for one and none for all. (0+ / 0-)

    Willard Mitlington "Mitt" Romney's view of the world.

    Accomplishment is uniquely singular. All for one and none for all.

  •  Yep, and as Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley... (2+ / 0-)
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    happymisanthropy, 417els

    ...said in an interview last weekend with Joan McCarter and me, philanthropists don't write checks to build bridges.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Wed Jul 18, 2012 at 03:30:21 PM PDT

  •  What else to be expected from GOP? (0+ / 0-)

    If they can't have it, they break it.
    If they can't prove it they make it up.
    If they don't like it, they lie about it.

    Please stop expecting decency, fairness, rational or reasonable with conservatives!

    They don't play by by the same rules. The only rule that matters to them: having them in power. The rest are merely details...

  •  Easy (0+ / 0-)

    The difference in what you could have achieved if you lived in say, Somalia, versus what you could achieve living in America, is due to the efforts and contributions of all the other Americans, to a first approximation.

    No disrespect to Somalinas, but their current lack of political and social cohesion makes them a good contrast set.

  •  They've got a tumblr to tripple down on the crazy (0+ / 0-)

    Enjoy the cringing.

  •  Well at least, we finally got Romney to say (0+ / 0-)

    entrepreneurs need government in order to get where they get.  Now, if only we could get him and the rest of the Republicans to be willing to fund it.

  •  I notice he also mentioned (0+ / 0-)

    the banks and investors as people who can help.  And while that's true, what do you do if the banks and investors are people you can't trust?  What if there's no rules keeping the banks in line, and what if the investors just want to soak as much money out of you as they can and then run?

  •  It's like he's confusing everyone (0+ / 0-)

    including the audience. This is why they aren't, you know, jumping up and down cheering.

  •  Mitt RobbedMe didn't build anything! He destroyed (0+ / 0-)

    companies through his ruthless form of vulture capitalism. He looked for companies that actually played by the rules and had fully funded pension programs. Then he looked for ways to artificially force them into bankruptcy so he could temporarily use those funds to restructure. Then, he never ended up never paying those funds back. It's a form of legalized robbery and the only thing Mitt should be running is a license plate machine at the state prison, not running for President.

    Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

    by tekno2600 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 01:38:06 PM PDT

  •  What I find MOST hysterical is how he blanketed (0+ / 0-)

    those two quotes around the admonition, "TAKE THAT, MR. PRESIDENT!" As if he'd said something entirely different when in reality he said the exact same thing!

    But the dummies in the audience will lap it up like cat's milk.

    Stop the party of Gut & Spend policies that gut our Earned Benefits programs like Social Security and Medicare and spends on tax breaks for the wealthy elite.

    by jillwklausen on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 02:57:35 PM PDT

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