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Need an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle because you are a “deer hunter” or a “tactical enthusiast”?  Head on over to gunbroker.com where you can pick up one at prices ranging from $500 to $2500 or so – about what it might take to max out a credit card.  

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      La Ligne Maginot -- your residence of choice for home
      defense with an AR-15

Due to some archaic restrictions in the U.S. criminal code, you can't buy – legally – a version that fires more than one shot with each pull of the trigger, which is unfortunate since a fully automatic AR-15 can at least theoretically fire 800 rounds in a minute.

You can however purchase completely legally 60 or 100 round magazines for the AR-15.  Head on over to brownells.com, where you can pick them up at $90.99 each for the 60 round version, and  $125.30 for the 100 rounder.  As Brownell says, “Ultra-high capacity magazines keep your rifle running longer between mag changes during competition or tactical operations.”  Sadly, Brownell reports they are out of stock of the 100 round version.  Fully loaded these magazines weigh 2 pounds each (60 round version) or 3.3 pounds each (100 round version).  

Now, I know you're thinking: “Wow, that AR-15 sounds great for my “Justice” Scalia-approved® Second Amendment home defense needs.”  And it is, provided you (and all your neighbors) live in the Maginot line, you'd be correct.  

Convert your neighbourhood into a TOTAL WAR ZONE!
Typical ammunition for the AR-15 rifle would be the Remington .223 cartridge, which is substantially equivalent to NATO standard military issue ammunition.  

In other words, except not having a fully automatic fire capacity, the AR-15 rifle you just bought from gunbroker.com can be fully up to military standards in terms of range and penetrating power.  This means that rounds fired from the weapon remain lethal at ranges of from 400 to 600 yards, or more.  And they can readily penetrate interior and exterior walls of wood-frame houses, as this little experiment shows:

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(But don't take that McGyver's word on this – here's a video showing USMC tests of wall penetration by various weapons, including single shot tests of the AR-15.)  And did I mention? -- not only do the AR-15 bullets readily penetrate your neighbour's wood-frame house, they also impart significant kinetic energy to pieces of the wall, such as splinters of plywood, which break off and fly about the room like shrapnel.

But if these things don't bother you much, feel free, by all means, to hunker down behind your (apparently) bullet-proof sofa and get your urban firefight on.

Complete your ensemble with an armored jock strap!
But let's say that you fear an imminent zombie apocalypse, and wish to invest in your trusty AR-15 with the 100 round clip to prevent your house from being overrun in classic Night of the Living Dead fashion.  What if the zombies retain sufficient brain function to be able to shoot back?  You'll need some defensive gear.  Take the example of the North Hollywood shootout on February 28, 1997, where it took 650 shots from police officers to down two bank robbers equipped with defensive armor.

That was 15 years ago, now we've got to the point where you can order your military-style kelvar helmet and ballistic faceshield for a mere $550 from securityprousa.com, where the website informs you:

Whether you're a citizen living in a dangerous neighborhood or someone who works in dangerous urban areas on a daily basis, it is very important to be protected.

Bulletproof vests will keep you protected from the many threats that a violent urban setting can throw you into.

And don't forget the armored jock-strap for a mere $335 (“You save 11%!).   No fully-weaponized American male is complete without one of those!

 And for a complete array of various body armor components, see bullet proofME.com, where I estimate you should be able to meet your full armoring needs for about $1500 or so.

A man's best friend (other than his gun).
Don't let your home defense pet go without protection either, as bulletproofME.com can supply your trusty four-legged companion with a kevlar vest as well.  Caveat defensor!  The standard size vest fits only German Shepard and similar size police type dogs, so if your present domestic defense animal is a dachshund, a corgi, or a cat, I suggest that you immediately upgrade to the larger breed/species.  The canine vest comes with standard “K-9 POLICE” emblazoned on both sides, but custom lettering is available in orders of 20 or more.  (“MICHIGAN MILITIA”?  “ARIZONA STATE BORDER PATROL”?)

Final word -- an important safety tip from Conservapedia!
Having acquired your home defense arsenal, you'll need some safety tips.  (But you won't need ANY firearms safety courses, or a license of any kind -- thank you, National Rifle Association, or Jesus ... but I repeat myself!

No, what you really need to do is stay the fuck away from Presbyterians, because, Conservapedia says, they will turn you into a mass killer with their vile talk about evolution> and teh Gay:

The Christian Post reported that the mass murderer James Holmes was heavily involved in his local Presbyterian church.  In 2012, the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA) passed a resolution, by a lopsided vote of 353-150, reaffirming its support of evolution. [In October of 2011, the Presbyterian Church USA ordained its first homosexual "minister".
Did James Holmes attend a evolution and homosexuality promoting/condoning liberal "church" or a Bible Presbyterian church which are fewer in number? Darwinism has a bloodstained legacy and has been linked to a decline in morality.
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  •  This is my ideal home defense weapon: (14+ / 0-)

    My last fortune cookie was a The Nephew sockpuppet. equalitymaine.org

    by commonmass on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:12:22 PM PDT

  •  Calamity Jean gets catalogs... (5+ / 0-)

    ...from Sportsman's Guide, and ironically, the issue that arrived Saturday was the Shooters Issue. It includes many AR-15 accessories, and all of them cannot be shipped to a Chicago, IL, address. I guess I'll just have to make do with a square-point shovel...

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:20:14 PM PDT

  •  Link to N. Hollywood shootout is (4+ / 0-)
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    broken. Wiki has a page on that.

    •  fixed now! Hollywood shootout interesting (7+ / 0-)

      because bad guys fired about 1,100 rounds using (illegally) modified AR-15 that would run at full auto.  They amazingly didn't kill anybody.  Both these guys were in good physical condition and able to pack a lot of armor and ammunition.  

      Sustained full auto fire isn't really possible because in two minutes, you'd consume 1600 rounds, which would weigh 66 pounds with the magazines, pretty much more than a person could carry.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:44:29 PM PDT

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  •  for armor, (2+ / 0-)
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    there are better rounds especially for armored dummies

    http://www.conjay.com/...

    Left to Right (Scale 1:1)
     5.56mm x 45 Ball M855 (Czech Republic)

     5.56mm x 45 Ball SC (M855) (DDR)

     5.56mm x45 Short-Range Practice (France)

     5.56mm x 45 Ball M193 (Israel)

     5.56mm x 45 Ball M855 (Israel)

     5.56mm x 45 Tracer M196 (Israel)

     5.56mm x 45 Test, High Pressure M197 (Israel)

     5.56mm x 45 Blank M200 (Israel)

     5.56mm x 45 Dummy Ball (Israel)

     5.56mm x 45 Dummy Tracer (Israel)

     5.56mm x 45 Armor-Piercing (Netherlands)

     5.56mm x 45 Armor-Piercing Hard-Core (Netherlands)

     

    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:31:16 PM PDT

  •  This is my protection... (4+ / 0-)
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    Koko, my Dachshund!

  •  My best defense has always been common (13+ / 0-)

    fucking sense.

    I suppose others need guns.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:36:23 PM PDT

  •  Bowling ball is the way to go for self defense. (12+ / 0-)

    The bowling ball never runs out of ammo, and the villain can never be sure where the sharp edge on the bowling ball is. Drop it on his toe and the fight is over.

    Seriously? A sharp hand axe is the way to go. Swing it like a boss. And you can use it for firewood.

    Any assault rifle is utterly useless for anything other than the zombie apocalypse. If you MUST get a gun, buy a pump shotgun. At least it has other uses, plus the sound alone of a shotgun being pumped may convince someone to flee for greener pastures. And load it with TARGET LOADS, which will still do the necessary damage but will not go through a door and two walls and kill your next door neighbor.

    But really, don't buy a gun. They cause more problems than they ever solve.

    Romney 2012 - A man is only worth the sum of his possessions. (Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #6)

    by Fordmandalay on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:39:56 PM PDT

    •  There's a whole lotta folks who think they need (4+ / 0-)
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      not just a firearm, but an actual AR-15 for home defense.  Google "AR 15 home defense" for numerous examples.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:47:21 PM PDT

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    •  Pump? Side by side is the way to go. (5+ / 0-)
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      You know, no matter how bleary eyed you may be at 2 am, that the weapon will not fire when it's broken open.

      It's completely safe at that point.

      The odds that you're ever going to need it are extremely low.  The odds you're going to need more than a warning shot are lower.

      The odds that you're ever going to have to put more than one round into someone are minute.

      Thinking the "food stamp challenge" teaches you about being poor is like thinking a camping trip will give you insight into being homeless.

      by JesseCW on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:12:48 PM PDT

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    •  When you live in rattlesnake country... (1+ / 0-)
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      they don't care about the sound of the pump but they surely do fucking die with the pull of the trigger.

      This happened to me and Mrs. TFH last Friday night at the neighbors house. We were visited by a Mojave Green rattlesnake.
      The dogs (including a 120 lb English/Irish bench setter) did little to dissuade the critter.
      However, the 12 gauge dispatched it in short order. Unfortunately there was not enough left of the 4 foot snake to make a wrist band, let alone snake steaks

      UMMV

      "People who see a contradiction between science and the bible don't really understand either." PvtJarHead

      by Tinfoil Hat on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 03:36:29 AM PDT

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  •  We don't bother with guns (9+ / 0-)

    We just have an evil bunny guard the door.


    "Romney's vision of humanity is just a million tons of meat floating around in a sea of base calculations." —Susan Madrak

    by Crider on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:44:37 PM PDT

  •  Nope. (9+ / 0-)

    Best home defense weapon is a short barreled, 12-gauge pump action shotgun. Plenty of stopping power yet unlikely to penetrate walls, easy to use in close quarters, and a wide selection of ammo is available wherever sporting goods are sold.

    The pump action is proven technology, reliable as a stone ax, seldom if ever jams, and the sound of the pump racking one into the chamber is feared by would-be home invaders everywhere.

    Plus, you can buy three or four for the price of one dressed-up AR-15. With interchangeable barrels, you can use it for deer hunting, game birds, or busting clays at the range too. Truly a utilitarian weapon, and very effective for almost any purpose, as long as your target is no more that 100 or so yards away.

    "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

    by happy camper on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:46:28 PM PDT

    •  Truth is, a stone ax might be a pretty good weapon (2+ / 0-)
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      too!

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:50:20 PM PDT

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    •  Short barreled revolver for inside (3+ / 0-)

      .38 or around there. No need for a magnum.
      A shotgun does too much collateral damage. Imagine hearing a member of your family scream and find them tussling with an intruder.---Wanna open up with a short barreled shotgun?
      As I say above, that  Clack that Ahnold make  sound so sexy just gives away your position. Better to be quiet as mouses untill its time to let your presence be known. Thing have a safety on it? Use it. Its quiet. You never want noise to precede handing someone The Bad News, its not lucky.
      A pump shotgun will jam---seen it!---but a revolver never will, no safety to fumble with either, and short barrel makes it easy to stick in your bathrobe (or other) pocket. Figure inside your house you'll only be dealing with short distances so the short barrel works there too.
      Hey we're liberals---we abhore the unneccesary loss of life, right? shoot the sumbitch in the foot!
      For outside the house, an M16s as good as any, i have an M1 carbine---thats your best inside-100-yards gun and definitely not as collateral-damage-y as a shotgun at the far range of that.

      Happy just to be alive

      by exlrrp on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:57:12 PM PDT

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    •  Got A 12 Gauge Double Barreled Side By Side. (3+ / 0-)
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      Home protection circa 1910. But my wife and I live alone in a remote area 30 minutes from 911 help. So I consider it part of my emergency preparedness.

      Just the sound of Boomer going off will scare Atilla the Hun away. And you still have a round left if you need it.

      "Force is as pitiless to the man who possesses it, or thinks he does, as it is to its victims; the second it crushes, the first it intoxicates.” Simone Weil

      by chuco35 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:19:29 PM PDT

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    •  hc - hands down best home defense weapon (0+ / 0-)

      and not even a choice in the poll.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 09:59:49 PM PDT

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  •  For those who don't have firearms (5+ / 0-)

    then proclaim your stance on this with a big sign in front of your home..."This is a gun free zone".   Let the world know how you feel.  

    I don't care what people think about firearms,  but they needn't tell others what they should think or do.   The problem comes down to numbers and people.   We have a nation with 310+ million and there will always be a minority of mentally deranged individuals in that mix.   Most who dealt with this James Holmes had bad vibes.  

    Since most of us don't have the financial wherewithal of those wealthy elite that would prefer to disarm the sheep in the USA such as Michael Bloomberg (or others like him), because they have NYPD police or private security at their doorstep,   we po folk must sometimes depend upon our own means of self defense.  

    The poorer that Michael Bloomberg and his NYC Wall St financier cohorts make most in this country,   the more we are all susceptible to violence.    

    Those who don't like firearms then don't own any,  but don't begin to tell me I can't own any.    I've had and used firearms for over 50 years inside and outside of the military and they serve as only a specialized tool that rational people sometimes must use, hopefully just for proficiency or practice.  

    The irrational people use them irrationally and because of that I would rather be armed than disarmed,   but if others chose differently, hey it is a free country.  

    Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

    by dailykozzer on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:46:38 PM PDT

    •  My point is that this particular firearm has no (10+ / 0-)

      role in home defense, at least no one that would form a reasonable choice.  The shotgun is your firearm of choice for that.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:52:22 PM PDT

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      •  Personally I wouldn't use one for that purpose (2+ / 0-)
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        but I would use an AR15 for target shooting which is what most responsible firearms owners actually use them for.  

        No one that I know is hoping for a chance to get into a self defense firefight,  but if the situation would ever force itself upon me,  I'd rather be prepared than not.    I agree that a shotgun such as a Mossberg 500 persuader with progressive loads or  00 loads is more effective for self defense in close quarters.  I've used the M16A1 which is a military version of the AR15.  

        What I see is a nation of too many preconceived stereo typical wrongs amongst average Americans that are typically driven by pundits.    Some think everyone is on the government dole except the corporations and Wall St,  and others think anyone with a firearm is a danger to society and others think everyone in America needs strip searched and tracked because they might be a terrorist.  Others think a woman shouldn't have a choice.     First we need to make sure Americans have equal economic opportunity,  and let them make up their own minds about other stuff.            

        Victims of bigotry are the poorest, least influential members of society.......never the wealthiest, most educated, most overrepresented in high levels, and most influential. Bigotry hurts the least influential. To claim or say otherwise is absurd.

        by dailykozzer on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:33:29 PM PDT

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    •  Nah. (7+ / 0-)
      Those who don't like firearms then don't own any,  but don't begin to tell me I can't own any.
      I don't own guns and I don't give a flying fuck how many you own. But guess what? You also don't get to tell other people that you're safer with them.

      If someone walks up to both of our houses on the same street, no one knows which one of us owns a gun. What I know is that I can stand the thought of sleeping at night without one, and am 99% confident that I'll live through the night without a gun.

      Others think they NEED one for safety.

      Guess what? The chances of EITHER of us having our homes broken into in the middle of the night are next to zero.

      But you feel you need a gun. That's fine. I don't give a shit. But I don't need one.

      Don't accuse me of wanting to take yours away and I won't accuse you of being a coward for needing one.

      Truly, I don't care if you own them. I view it as a useless hobby.  So don't accuse me of wanting to infringe upon that hobby. We differ on opinions of what is necessary to be safe. That's all.

      P.S. I am not a crackpot.

      by BoiseBlue on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 05:55:27 PM PDT

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      •  The point is that the possible presence of a (3+ / 0-)
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        firearm discourages burglary of occupied residences, and to this extent I agree that there is a sort of umbrella protection from firearms that extends even to homes without guns.

        My point in this diary is not to take on firearm ownership in general but to address the AR 15 in particular, which I believe is an unnecessary and far too powerful weapon for the purposes of home defense.  When it's combined with large capacity magazines and body armor -- all legally purchased -- a person can convert himself into a killing machine.  I think this a bad idea.

        You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

        by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:46:52 PM PDT

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    •  dailykozzer - this is the opposite sign (0+ / 0-)

      I have seen a few times in the Rocky Mountains:

      Trespassers shot on sight. No warning given.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 10:02:07 PM PDT

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  •  Firearms are almost never used for home defense (5+ / 0-)
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    For every story you see about someone protecting themselves with a gun, you see at least a hundred of them being used in assaults, robberies, murders, domestic disputes/crimes of passion, and accidental shootings. Just be honest with yourself and admit having one gives you a feeling of being powerful.

    Romney 2012 - A man is only worth the sum of his possessions. (Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #6)

    by Fordmandalay on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:01:12 PM PDT

  •  Didn't have my choice of home defence (3+ / 0-)
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    a 100 Mega-Ton Thermonuclear Intercontinental Missile.

  •  I favor the atlatl (6+ / 0-)

    It's more of a standoff weapon than the thrusting spear, and more practical indoors than the longbow.

    Sure, you gotta watch those ceiling scrapes, and chandeliers get in the way.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by DaveinBremerton on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 06:43:32 PM PDT

  •  I read the poll... (6+ / 0-)

    ...and noticed it discriminates against medieval re-enactors.  There is no selection for trebuchet or boiling oil.

    "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by DaveinBremerton on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:16:55 PM PDT

    •  Actually the boiling oil is a bit of a myth, oil (6+ / 0-)

      was much too expensive and rare to use in that matter.  Boiling water might have been used, but this would have taken a lot of firewood which would have been expensive and hard to replace in the castle.

      My thinking is that offal, dung, etc. of which castles had an ample supply, would have been the main things dumped on attackers.  A re-enactment of that would be the true test of a reinactor!

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:24:51 PM PDT

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  •  An AR-15 is not ideal for home defense... (4+ / 0-)

    at least not inside the house. Riot situations, mass looting, yes... burgular comes through th window, wrong gun.

    That said, they do have legitimate uses. Not big game hunting, the cartridge is woefully underpowered for that, but the .223 is a dandy varmint and predator cartridge, and many ARs are quite accurate.

    For "tactical" shooting games, basically strictly-controlled role-playing with firearms, they are an ideal platform... which is why they are dominant in such competitions.

    I personally wouldn't buy one... I think they're ugly, and I've got a bunch of guns on the want list that I can't afford anyway. But my neighbor having a crate full of the things presents no danger to me or mine, so why should I presume to deny him that choice?

    --Shannon

    "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
    "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

    by Leftie Gunner on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:26:37 PM PDT

    •  Basically I reject the idea that anyone needs (4+ / 0-)
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      a weapon that's capable of shooting 70 people without being reloaded.  I can't even remotely image a situation outside of a zombie movie where such firepower would have any legitimate purpose, or least any purpose sufficient to allow them to be lawfully purchased and then used for the occasional massacre or two.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:38:18 PM PDT

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      •  I believe there is an Ida B. Wells quote that (0+ / 0-)

        covers this.  It involves a Winchester over the fireplace.

        I can't even remotely image a situation outside of a zombie movie where such firepower would have any legitimate purpose
        what about the cops burning a cross on your lawn?  used to be quite common. could be again in one form or another.
    •  I have a Ruger mini-14 (4+ / 0-)
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      ...similar gun with less ugly.  Great varmint gun, and I don't think I would be at all inconvenienced if all I could get for it were 5-round magazines.

      In spite of being a shooter, I'm having some philosophical struggles with the notion that the right to own a 100-round magazine for the purpose of winning a bowling pin shootout somehow trumps public safety.  In fact the argument seems rather trite in light of the fucking mess made by the nut in Aurora.

      "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". Mohandas K. Gandhi

      by DaveinBremerton on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 07:38:24 PM PDT

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    •  I can't understand why anyone would use an (4+ / 0-)

      AR for varmints. To shoot a coon trashing your yard? Or a poor coyote bold enough to invade your chicken coop? That's what .22s are for, and what my grandpappy used very effectively 100 years ago. The varmints haven't gotten any bigger or smarter since.

      Varmint hunting is certainly not a valid excuse for allowing the mass sales of ARs or AKs. Neither is target practice or tactical games.

      "Force is as pitiless to the man who possesses it, or thinks he does, as it is to its victims; the second it crushes, the first it intoxicates.” Simone Weil

      by chuco35 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:44:44 PM PDT

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      •  I live in the city and we have varmints galore (3+ / 0-)
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        Raccoons, opossums, squirrels (good eating I hear, but economy hasn't gotten so bad that I need me some tree steak), but we don't fire off pistoles at them, generally because here in the City of Roses the changes of hitting your neighbour or his house are considered too dang high to allow the discharge of firearms.

        You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

        by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:56:58 PM PDT

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        •  Possums have a bad rep. They are actually... (3+ / 0-)
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          the best insect control you can have on your property, without having to slow poison your family. They eat the shit out of termite and cockroach eggs and larva, for example. My wife says they look like big ugly rats, but if you can get past the cosmetics, they are actually extremely useful, and they do no damage to your home, if you keep it closed off to them.

          Coons, however, are another story.

          Either way, I can't see how varmints can be used as an excuse to own an AR or an AK.

          "Force is as pitiless to the man who possesses it, or thinks he does, as it is to its victims; the second it crushes, the first it intoxicates.” Simone Weil

          by chuco35 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 09:37:51 PM PDT

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          •  Possums (2+ / 0-)
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            are also cleaner than cats.  The misunderstandings about possums are huge.

            They come around here at night and eat all the bugs they can find.  In addition to the bugs you listed, they also eat slugs.  They will eat snakes.

            They clean up roadkill.

            Like wikipedia says:  Opossums have a remarkably robust immune system, and show partial or total immunity to the venom of rattlesnakes, cottonmouths, and other pit vipers.

            These marsupials are much-maligned, and for no good reason.

            I sometimes put out old food for them, to keep them coming back.

        •  You live in Tyler? (1+ / 0-)
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          "Force is as pitiless to the man who possesses it, or thinks he does, as it is to its victims; the second it crushes, the first it intoxicates.” Simone Weil

          by chuco35 on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 09:39:43 PM PDT

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        •  possums just want your rats (1+ / 0-)
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          that's all, not dangerous, not harmful in any way unless you stick your finger in their mouth, that's not good.

          From those who live like leeches on the people's lives, We must take back our land again, America!...Langston Hughes

          by KenBee on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 01:18:14 AM PDT

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      •  there words... (1+ / 0-)
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        Prarie dog town.

        Its not uncommon to take a few hundred shots in a day, and whole switching magazines doesn't take long, loading them does.

        And that's not even getting into the fact that this exact law was tried, nationwide, and it had no measurable effect on violence whatsoever.

        We tried it. It didn't work.

        --Shannon

        "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
        "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

        by Leftie Gunner on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 10:02:52 PM PDT

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        •  seems to me it would be more fun, and... (0+ / 0-)

          sporting if you picked them off one at a time, with .22 shorts.

          I don't agree that we should stop trying to limit the sale of assault weapons, although I understand that bad guys will always be able to get their guns (just look at Mexico). But can we agree that shooting varmints is not a legitimate reason to allow their open sale at the mall?

          "Force is as pitiless to the man who possesses it, or thinks he does, as it is to its victims; the second it crushes, the first it intoxicates.” Simone Weil

          by chuco35 on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 07:28:51 AM PDT

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        •  I beg to differ. (0+ / 0-)

          10 years is not a long enough time frame for an accurate study, to begin with.  And my understanding is that the law was very flawed to begin with in terms of what it banned.  From wiki:

          The findings should be treated cautiously due to the methodological difficulties of making a short-term assessment of the ban and because the ban's long-term effects could differ from the short-term influences revealed by this study.

          The Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence examined the impact of the Assault Weapons Ban in its 2004 report, On Target: The Impact of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapon Act. Examining 1.4 million guns involved in crime, it determined that since the law was enacted, "assault weapons have made up only 1.61% of the guns ATF has traced to crime — a drop of 66% from the pre-ban rate."

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

  •  Silly me (2+ / 0-)
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    I started reading this enjoying the snark, which I presumed was the point.  Then I read the comments.  I was expecting the pictures of attack cats and dogs, and was pleasantly surprised by the rabbit from Monty Python.  What I wasn't expecting was a discussion of how large an armoury (this may be misspelled, Firefox insists that there's a "u" in the word) progressives maintain.  

    I guess the question I'll ask of the progressives who insist that a double barrel shotgun is the way to go is: Do you only load the left barrel to let the robber know you're a liberal, and is it the barrel on your left or the left barrel relative to the person you're pointing the weapon at?

    I haven't been here long enough to be considered a Kossack, does that mean that I'm just a sack?

    by Hey338Too on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:04:05 PM PDT

    •  The unicameral pump action was recommended (2+ / 0-)
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      in one or two comments, however, in the event of a double-barrelled break-breach being your weapon of choice, I would recommend (in this instance only) a bipartisan approach, and load both the right AND the left barrels.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:10:21 PM PDT

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  •  Cartoon... upthread you said the point of this (3+ / 0-)

    post is that the AR 15 is too powerful for home defense. I think you misunderstand the 223/ 5.56. It's my understanding that it was designed so that soldiers could carry many rounds and they wouldn't weigh much. The bullet itself is lightweight relatively say to an AK or typical hunting bullet. It can also be fired with little recoil. It's a fast round but due to it's light weight I just wouldn't call it high powered.

    For mass murder too I'd think the 223 underpowered. Look at the death compared to number shot. I think that guy in the train station in Mumbai did better than that. His AK was firing a bullet twice as heavy.

    I'm not much into black guns or any guns except for hunting and what not, but I sure don't mind it that people do have guns and conceal carry or whatever. My brother in law has a full auto AK under the seat of his car all the time. Grandfather in law too. Things are less sedentary where they live. Guns don't jump up and go off all by themselves.

    How big is your personal carbon footprint?

    by ban nock on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:38:15 PM PDT

    •  AR 15 was designed to shoot a lighter round (3+ / 0-)
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      at shorter distances, as it was found that most combat happened at shorter ranges, and the larger rounds necessary to reach longer ranges were actually less effective because fewer rounds could be carried, even though the individual killing power was greater with the larger projectiles, such as the 30.06 fired by the M-1 Garrand.

      Although not so powerful measured round for round against the M1, the AR 15 is still a fully effective military rifle, capable of killing of accurate deadly fire at relatively long range, except that in its civilian version it is not capable of automatic fire.  This however is not much of an impediment in the civil environment, particularly when 100 round magazines and body armor can be lawfully purchased.

      In short, I believe that the need to avoid placing these types of weapons into the hands of lunatics, and, potentially far worse, organized terrorists, justified their complete abolition in the civilian environment.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 08:52:51 PM PDT

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  •  Generally You Can't Actually Buy (1+ / 0-)
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    Most of the stuff on gunbroker.com.

    unless otherwise stated in the listing Firearms may only be shipped to a licensed dealer (FFL Holder).

    I won't be coming home tonight, my generation will put it right - Genesis 9:3

    by superscalar on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 06:00:05 AM PDT

  •  For some purposes, yes. (0+ / 0-)

    I much prefer the AR style rifle to others for home defense, although a shotgun with #1 buckshot or a pistol is probably more ideal.  5.56/.223 rounds are drastically less likely to over penetrate than, say, 7.62x39, or one of the more common hunting calibers such as .308, .30-06, etc.  The most important issues for home defense, however, are training and planning.

    For the record, I am not oblivious to the facetious nature of this blog, nor the lack of real-world firearms experience on the part of the author.  For now I simply choose to ignore FUD regarding firearms from my fellow liberals.

    •  The distinction between the different types of (0+ / 0-)

      rounds is discussed up thread, as is my plain intent, which is to state that this particular firearm is basically a war-fighting weapon which doesn't belong in a civil environment.  A number of firearms owners agree have expressed agreement.  

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 06:41:16 AM PDT

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