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Just a question and observation...

If "Super Pac" donors can be anonymous, that means that a potential donor to a Super Pac could be (hypothetically, of course) from another country?

So- while foreign nationals cannot donate directly to a candidate, foreign national millionaires and billionaires can obviously donate anonymously to a super pac. No wonder Willard is spending so much time in Europe.

Final point: If our President is referred to in the media by his first and last name, Barack Obama, then shouldn't his opponent be referred to by his first and last name? Willard Romney.

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  •  why not a country? China? Saudi Arabia? (4+ / 0-)
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    kevinpdx, markthshark, splashy, camlbacker

    I mean they would want to support people favorable to their prime industries.

    How about Mexican drug cartels?  Human traffickers?  The list of potentials is large and since there is no sunlight how will we ever know

    As for Mitt ... yes it's proper,but Willard just reminds people of rats . . . which may be why they don't

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    by Clytemnestra on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 10:29:52 PM PDT

  •  No wonder Willard isn't disclosing the names... (2+ / 0-)
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    of his bundlers.

    No wonder Willard is spending so much time in Europe.

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    by markthshark on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 10:34:55 PM PDT

  •  Prove it or STFU. (0+ / 0-)

    The theoretical possibility of foreign donations is not enough to hang charges on.  Prove hard money.

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    by Odysseus on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 11:41:22 PM PDT

    •  While I'm not wild about the diary, why? (4+ / 0-)
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      Under Citizens United, we literally have no way to know one way or the other.

      Romney's SuperPACs are not publishing names.  We have literally no idea what conflicts of interests that creates.  And no, we don't know if foreign money is involved either.

      I don't think that the diarist is being fair, but then, either is Romney.  Put this in the "call your opponent a pig-fucker" theory of politics.

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      by mbayrob on Sun Jul 22, 2012 at 11:56:33 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not a fan of conspiracy theories. (0+ / 0-)

        Whether foreign contributions are occurring is a matter of fact, not opinion.  Thus speculation, and speculative language are uncalled for.  It's either happening or it isn't.  If it's happening, find a way to prove it.  If it's not happening, put your efforts into more immediately productive endeavors.

        And Mr. Adelson and others are an immediate enough cause to suspect that it's not happening, at least at more than a few % of the total.  Take care of the big things, and the little things will take care of themselves.

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        There are no Christians in foxholes.

        by Odysseus on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 11:02:20 AM PDT

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    •  Touch a nerve? (0+ / 0-)

      Prove the source of undocumented donations?

      This better be good. Because it is not going away.

      by DerAmi on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 03:41:29 AM PDT

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    •  It's not an uncommon thought to have (0+ / 0-)
      "Clearly it is more difficult to enforce the ban on foreign spending when the source of the money is not publicly disclosed," said Trevor Potter, head of the Campaign Legal Center and former chairman of the Federal Elections Commission.
      Election law experts said the result is an environment that could breed foreign money abuses by political committees willing to knowingly violate the law or by foreign donors who covertly funnel money to favored U.S. candidates and causes.

      "The new reality presented by the decision in Citizens United and the rise of super PACs raises concerns about the challenge of discovering such illegal activity," said Cynthia L. Bauerly, an FEC commissioner who ran the agency last year.

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      by Catte Nappe on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 09:05:10 AM PDT

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  •  McCain Feingold prevents foreign contributions (0+ / 0-)

    wiki McCain Feingold

    The proliferation of issue advocacy ads, by defining as "electioneering communications" broadcast ads that name a federal candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election, and prohibiting any such ad paid for by a corporation (including non-profit issue organizations such as Right to Life or the Environmental Defense Fund) or paid for by an unincorporated entity using any corporate or union general treasury funds. The decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission overturns this provision, but not the ban on foreign corporations or foreign nationals in decisions regarding political spending.[2]


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    by bobinson on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 12:36:30 AM PDT

    •  So, what if they privately gave the money (0+ / 0-)

      To someone that could donate? How would we know it wasn't laundered money?

      Stephen Colbert talked about that on his show. We really don't know.

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      by splashy on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 02:21:33 AM PDT

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    •  You've missed the loophole... (1+ / 0-)
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      that the entire structure of anonymous donation rests on: the 501(c)(4) gambit. I've been writing about these since well before Citizens United (this is not a new problem, just one made worse by CU) and it's an angle most people are only now grasping.

      501(c)(4) public welfare organizations do not have any restrictions on receiving foreign funds of any kind and can keep their donors completely anonymous. All the major GOP SuperPACs have one of these entities attached. It would be entirely possible, and probably even legal, for them to funnel the cash they received from overseas to their associated SuperPAC for "issue advocacy" or some other apparent purpose that fits their own legal requirements. What the SuperPAC then does with the cash is entirely up to them, so everyone's legal posterior is covered and McCain/Feingold is stomped into the mud one more time.

      To defend the diarist, s/he is pointing out the possible path to foreign funds in our elections this cycle, not making specific allegtions. If it were about specifics, then "put up or shut up" would be appropriate, but his idea is certainly correct as a general possibility. Given that if something is both possible and profitable in politics then it's virtually certain to occur, it's a good bet that even if no one has done this yet, someone will before this election is over. We just need to understand how so that when and if this is used, we'll be ready to pounce on the evidence and show it to the world.

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      by Stwriley on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 05:55:43 AM PDT

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  •  That was my first thought (0+ / 0-)

    When I heard the donors are secret.

    It could be other countries, dictators, royalty, warlords, drug cartels, criminals, terrorists ... you name it, they could be donating.

    Why none of the right wingers seem to think it's a problem, with all their conspiracy ideas, is beyond me. This is just so obvious!

    Women create the entire labor force.

    by splashy on Mon Jul 23, 2012 at 02:19:27 AM PDT

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