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Charts showing difference in number of jobs created by Obama depending on when the count starts
(Steve Benen, Rachel Maddow Blog)
Mitt Romney interviewed by Larry Kudlow:
But if they want to see this economy come roaring back with good—with good jobs, they ought to vote for me, in my view. And we ought to give, whichever president is going to be elected, at least six months or a year to get those policies in place.
That's quite a shift from what Romney was saying eight months ago. Then he was essentially blaming Barack Obama for jobs lost in the year before he became president. Romney has since shifted a bit and allowed the president 11 days warm-up time. Obama only becomes responsible for the unemployment disaster that he inherited as of February 2009.

Steve Benen at the Rachel Maddow blog has built the chart above illustrating the difference between using the old Romney claim that responsibility for the course of the economy begins immediately and that it doesn't began until six or 12 months into a president's term.

[L]ook what happens when we start the clock, as Romney suggests, six months to a year after President Obama was sworn in. In fact, if we don't hold Obama's first year against him, the economy has added over 3.7 million jobs overall during his presidency, and over 4.2 million in the private sector.
As we know all too well, the economy is not generating enough jobs to get us back to where we were in December 2007 when the Great Recession began. Stubborn obstructionism from the party for which Romney is now the standard-bearer has made certain of that. Determined to make Obama fail, as per Rush Limbaugh's prescription, it has worked diligently to ensure that the economic downturn exacts as much pain on the working classes as possible while laying out fat cushions for the top tiers. Exactly what Romney proposes to do a lot more of starting with Day One.

Originally posted to Meteor Blades on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 08:50 AM PDT.

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  •  Anyone in the media: ask Mitt to define "good job" (17+ / 0-)

    in specifics.  
    Living wage?
    Get that shapeshifter on the record.

  •  Yeah Mitt...I'm sure that Bachmann, West, Gohmert (8+ / 0-)

    and the rest of the Psycho Wing of the GOoP would give you all the time you

  •  Here's a GREAT vid from Romney in 2006 (18+ / 0-)

    on this very topic.  In it he defends himself from taking over a bad economy and how is was ridiculous to suggest you start counting his job numbers from the moment he was sworn in.  Take a look -

  •  I love Rmoney's new Bin Laden attack! (5+ / 0-)
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    OldDragon, shoeless, JBL55, Supavash, elmo

    "Br'er Fox, please don't mention that I gave the order to kiill bin Laden.  Please!"

    Rmoney & The Republicans - We've should've killed GM, not bin Laden.

    by filby on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:04:06 AM PDT

    •  it's the Karl Rove playbook (3+ / 0-)
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      JBL55, filby, happymisanthropy

      Rove always tries to turn the opponent's biggest strength into a weakness, by brazenly attacking it. Often this kind of thing is such a shock that the opponent responds poorly (Kerry was particularly bad at responding to such attacks).

      •  Well, we've had eight years of it ... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... and the Dems show signs of having learned how to pivot.

        "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

        by JBL55 on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:18:07 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  It just seems to me that the Rmoney campaign is (2+ / 0-)
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        JBL55, elmo

        amazingly incompetent.  "Obama leaked info for political purposes."  It will work with the base, but i expect that the main thing independent voters will remember is "Obama killed bin Laden."

        "Instead of with virgins, he's with the sturgeons. Under the Sea!" (Capitol Steps)

        Rmoney & The Republicans - We've should've killed GM, not bin Laden.

        by filby on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:24:17 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  From your keyboard ... (1+ / 0-)
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          i expect that the main thing independent voters will remember is "Obama killed bin Laden."
          ... to God's eyes.

          "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

          by JBL55 on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:27:22 AM PDT

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  •  You have to give Romney credit (4+ / 0-)
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    JBL55, Supavash, Brooke In Seattle, askew

    He knows the media will never call him out on these blatant contradictions. I mean, I think even a high school reporter would have asked, "Wait, so why doesnt that standard apply to Obama? Should we count the economy in his first year toward his economic record?"

    Another one is when Romney, in the same paragraph, says that Obama cut 500 billion from Medicare, but also wont reform entitlements.

    My only hope is that Obama can call Romney out on this nonsense in the debates.

  •  more attention should be paid to public sector (4+ / 0-)
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    JBL55, Supavash, JeffW, Brooke In Seattle

    The fact that we've lost so many public sector jobs is not a good thing, though both sides have an incentive to pretend otherwise.  Team R hates government, and Team D would rather focus on the brighter picture, namely the gain in private sector jobs.  Those losses are not "bureaucrats" for the most part; they are (or were) teachers, cops, firefighters, librarians, park rangers, and the like.

    President Obama has tried to do something about it, and the Republican House is blocking any attempt to help the states hire those workers back. But I'd like to see him make more noise about this. He needs to explicitly run against the Republican House of Representatives more than he has, because it is vital to take the House back and it's going to be very hard to do. Besides, they are the incumbents, and they are as responsible for the current state of the economy as the president is, though it is in their interest to pretend otherwise.

    •  Spending cuts = Public sector job cuts (3+ / 0-)

      The GOP always harps on cutting Government spending, but then runs on "look at the UE Rate - the economy SUCKS!!" against Dems and Pres Obama.  They can't be allowed to have it both ways.  

      If the public sector was at it's Bush level, the UER would be in the low 7's, potentially even in the high 6's (because more spending power would have lead to more private sector jobs as well).  

    •  Funny how many public sector jobs ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... are added during gubmint-hating GOP administrations, and how the private sector grows during Islamocommie Dem administrations.

      But I don't expect the traditional media to talk about it.  As we know, reality has a well-known liberal bias, and it's all the TM's worth to prove to the GOP they aren't liberal.

      [President Obama] needs to explicitly run against the Republican House of Representatives more than he has, because it is vital to take the House back and it's going to be very hard to do.
      Amen, brother.

      "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

      by JBL55 on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:23:57 AM PDT

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      •  you talk as though cutting gov't is a good thing (1+ / 0-)
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        Unfortunately, the last couple of D administrations have been Republican-lite, surrendering to conservative rhetoric (the era of big government is over, etc). Republican-lite sure beats total insane craziness, but I"m not particularly happy about it.

        •  Didn't mean to imply that. (0+ / 0-)

          I was referring to the hypocrisy.

          I like functional government, and I measure it by the effectiveness, not the size.  

          But when I look at the House of Representatives, I feel ill.  The Class of 2010 has been a complete and total disaster, and I just hope the people who sent them are experiencing a healthy dose of voter's remorse.

          I'm working to re-elect Chellie Pingree (D-ME) and getting my state legislature back into Democratic hands.

          "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

          by JBL55 on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 10:10:50 AM PDT

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  •  The matching graphic needs to be (5+ / 0-)

    "Jobs Destroyed Under Romney" showing the effect of Bain on the American workforce.

    In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; but in practice, there always is a difference. - Yogi Berra En théorie, il n'y a aucune différence entre théorie et pratique, mais en pratique, il y a toujours une différence. - Yogi Berra

    by blue aardvark on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:16:39 AM PDT

  •  Nothing's changed. (2+ / 0-)
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    blackjackal, Brooke In Seattle

    Mitt has always played by a different set of rules and shouldn't be held to the same standards as all us riff raff.  Just ask Ann, or any of his heirs.

    "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

    by JBL55 on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:16:46 AM PDT

  •  And if you call him on it (3+ / 0-)
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    JBL55, blackjackal, Brooke In Seattle

    He'll just say that Obama left such an enormous mess that it will take months or years to even begin to climb out of the hole. And than if you ask about the hole Bush left for Obama, it will be Bush, who? Never heard of him.

    Do Pavlov's dogs chase Schroedinger's cat?

    by corwin on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:17:17 AM PDT

  •  A guy who offshored American jobs to China, India (5+ / 0-)

    and Mexico isn't going to create jobs over here.  He doesn't know how.  Look at Massachusetts. Nothing good happened on the job front AND that was before the economy crashed.  If he couldn't create jobs in one state one would be a fool to think he can in 50.  

  •  The graph is from Steve Benen (0+ / 0-)

    not Benin... just saying :-)

  •  I would like to know (2+ / 0-)
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    tommyfocus2003, happymisanthropy

    what those "good jobs" are even supposed to be.

    All I've heard lately is how we can't raise the minimum wage because small business owners couldn't afford to pay their employees and massive layoffs would occur.

    Now they're on to the "good jobs" thing, but everything I've heard about "jobs of the future" seems to be low-wage service work. What the hell are my kids supposed to study in college? What kind of degree is going to get them in the door for one of those "good jobs"?

    Seems to me that most of the "good jobs" have already been sent to another country. The only ones left with decent pay and employee protections are constantly under attack -- such as union jobs and teachers.

    So, what are all those "good jobs"? And who is going to be hiring to fill them?

    "The difference between the right word and the almost-right word is like the difference between lightning and the lightning bug." -- Mark Twain

    by Brooke In Seattle on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:28:08 AM PDT

  •  Great chart... (0+ / 0-)

    awful graphic. Is there any way a clearer JPEG could be made with Steve Benin's permission?

  •  More evidence (0+ / 0-)

    that neither Romney nor anyone else in the Republican party understands economics or job creation.  All they really know is that their policies hurt jobs and hurt the middle class, and they are going to use the damage they have caused to convince the American people to vote for them.

    The big corporations and wealthy fat cats who are bankrolling Romney and the rest of the Republicans do not create jobs.  If anything, they work to prevent job creation by discouraging competition, entrepreneurship, and the growth of small businesses, which are where most new jobs do come from.

    By taxing and regulating corporations, we return money to the economy, enable new businesses to grow and create jobs, and build the infrastructure which is the basis for prosperity.  And that is what the Republicans, working for their corporate bosses, will do their best to prevent.

    As Obama says, we have seen what happens when Republican policies destroy the economy.  So the American people are going to let them do it again.


    In Washington, whenever anyone does something wrong, everyone else gets punished.

    by Noziglia on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 09:46:47 AM PDT

  •  By summer 2009 (0+ / 0-)

    all the arrows had turned and we had good economic and job growth in both the rest of '09 and most of '10.  The T-Bagger Congress put a stop to that and we've been practically flat since they the power to obstruct. Look at the legislative achievements during Obama's first 2 years, and look at what's happened since. How did we get dumb enough to let them back in control of the house?

  •  I wish someone would compile (0+ / 0-)

    a list of the things that Mitt has variously said he would do on "Day One" and the subsequent corresponding waffles.

    I remember there was an ad his campaign was running here promising to eliminate the ACA on Election Day. Hey, as long as you're lying, you might as well make it a real whopper, eh?

  •  So it sounds like Mitt is now (0+ / 0-)

    unretroactively blaming Obama for Bush's mess?

    OK, Gotcha, Mitt. Thanks for clarifying.

  •  Romney is a bad politician (0+ / 0-)

    because he doesn't know how to avoid getting into difficulty when he speaks unscripted. He says "we ought to give, whichever president is going to be elected, at least six months or a year to get those policies in place." I suppose that if he lost, he would implore those of his party in Congress to go along with whatever programs President Obama proposes for at least the first 6 months of 2013?

    (Actually it was his wife whom I first heard going off the rails rhetorically, on C-SPAN just before the 2008 Iowa caucuses: "The heart of the people of Iowa - are good.")

  •  His Emptiness (0+ / 0-)

    will be meeting David Cameron and, I would guess,  Her Majesty/Her Highness, The Queen.

    Someone just said on MSNBC that Romney is taking "an invisible trip," (John Heilman?) which means, I believe, he is ducking real questions for a week, and then, soon, here in Tampa, the Republican convention is already taking over - so he can duck more questions and remain shielded during those few days (maybe stretched to a week) while the media focuses on process - not substance  That leaves one month for a campaign.  Anyone know how many debates there will be - Two, I think - More?

    Nonetheless, Romney is being perceived as a sly, manipulating candidate by Teabaggers - they will vote for him.  They like that in him. It will bring him votes. He is sly, in a sense, but he also is showing so clearly his penchant for obfuscation, lack of substance and generalities.  Oh how I hope the president is re-elected.  And we keep the Senate - and gain seats in the House.

    Heilman just said many Republicans are "paranoid lunatics."
    in a discussion on Joe Arapaio - who is on the stand testifying for his lunacy today.  Romney panders to those bizarre people all the time.  He really needs them.  

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