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Sure we would probably all be safer, if we had a gun policy similar to Canada, but that's not going to happen here any time in the near future. A few common sense restrictions might go a long way to saving some lives here in the US and most gun owners would accept those restrictions. Unfortunately, the NRA will not accept any restrictions, and they are the real problem.

Gun owners have been led to believe that the NRA is protecting their right to own guns for hunting, personal protection and sport. After all, shooting sports are in the Olympics. However, the only thing the NRA is really working for is the arms industry. To help the gun industry sell more product, the NRA has developed the meme that any firearm restriction is the first step on the slippery slope to a total ban on guns. Since they have been successful in selling this fear to their members, they can never give an inch or their whole argument can be called into question. When NRA members are asked if they would be OK with a magazine capacity restiction, the majority agree. But as NRA members, they will vote with the NRA. Therefore, the NRA can threaten congress with "scoring" any legislation that goes against the meme. Congress members fear losing votes and NRA contributions and nothing gets passed that provides any restrictions, no matter how reasonable. A rifle magazine limit of 5 rounds or a handgun limit of 10 wouldn't result in fewer gun sales, but it would expose the meme of "the big bad government" wants to take away your guns as pure b.s. The NRA must oppose it. Unless a wedge can be driven between the lies of Wayne LaPierre and the reasonable members of the NRA, forget about getting congress to do anything.

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  •  This is what I took away from your post... (1+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight
    forget about getting congress to do anything.
    Or did I miss something that would motivate them to do anything different?  They can't even pass a budget.  

    The Muslim said "I wished I had met Christ before I met the Christians" - Rev. Marvin Winins

    by captainlaser on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 05:44:04 PM PDT

    •  The words preceding your take away. (1+ / 0-)
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      Unless a wedge can be driven between the lies of Wayne LaPierre and the reasonable members of the NRA, forget about getting congress to do anything.
      The 5/10 limits on magazines is actually has a lot of merit, for exactly your reasons. While a lot of NRA members are hunters, even those who are more into self defense understand the limits of taking on a mass murderer if all you have is a handgun with 10 bullets better than Americans who have no weapon experience.

      My preference would be to try for an assault ban. If that triggers too much resistance, maybe the magazines could be limited to less than 10. 5 -7?

      Pbyer, did you catch the diary on the timing of LaPierre's comments just before the Gifford's and Aurora shootings?

      Could be used with a 'Two strikes, do we want to gamble on a third?' meme...

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 06:16:38 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know NRA members. Are they in favor of (2+ / 0-)
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        1) psychological assessment prior to gun sales?

        2) limiting the amount of ammunition you can buy at any one time and registering purchases?  (Recall that Michael Moore was successful with Target in limiting sales of ammo).

        3) Requiring weapons with clips larger than 9 shots to require a special permit?  And weapons training?

        4) Banning the sales of ballistic vests, helmets, and armor.

        I'd start there to find out if there is any common ground.

        And I would push this from the Law Enforcement unions.  They have the most to lose from such weapons.

        The Muslim said "I wished I had met Christ before I met the Christians" - Rev. Marvin Winins

        by captainlaser on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 07:32:03 PM PDT

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        •  Not a member. The NRA does promote (1+ / 0-)
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          training with many levels of competence. Generally

          1- Don't know if they would fight it. It would be expensive to implement with public funding and would increase the license fee significantly which is a problem for the poor - many who hunt for food. If we do something serious about mental health care and public funding of health care, no problem. It would need to be part of the renewal process. Psych issues can develop over time.

          2- Amount of ammo purchases is usually related to how much target practice the person does. Mass murderers are likely to get around it easily. They can buy the max at every interval, store it, and not arouse concerns until after the fact and it becomes something else they could be charged with. With new sales of magazine size limited, they either have to get a larger one in a private sale (theoretically illegal) or on the black market. Don't recall if any kind of analysis or studies have been done to see if ammo tracking would be useful. I have also wondered about a tip line. Lots of issues with that.

          3-The weapons and magazines are often sold separately. Not sure when the proposed max is 10, why >9 needs a special permit. Better training for all gun owners, preferably with a biennial renewal, is definitely a priority. The NRA already does a lot and members are usually strong on it. The training is aimed at hunting and personal protection safety for the most part. Training to confront a mass murderer is a far more complicated and lengthy course.

          4) Personally, I don't want them banned. Given the amount of police brutality we have seen with ows and occurs regularly for the brown people, I want just folks to be able to buy it. Also would be more difficult to control. It would have to cover overseas purchases to be seriously curtailed.

          This shooter really changed the tactics by using the gas. That is much worse than the armor. Controlling that is worse than any of it.

          The LE unions and organizations have supported a lot of limits. Varies. The security issues at the theater is another place that could realistically be improved without much effort or investment.

          "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

          by Ginny in CO on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 10:36:47 PM PDT

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  •  Guns are a large part of the problem (3+ / 0-)
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    and removing as many as possible from society is a large part of the solution.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    by twigg on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 05:45:09 PM PDT

  •  People are the problem! (6+ / 0-)

    Get rid of the people and keep the guns!

    (Come to think of it.....I think that's the NRA's plan.)

    "The disturbing footage depicts piglets being drop kicked and swung by their hind legs. Sows are seen being kicked and shoved as they resist leaving their piglets."

    by Bush Bites on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 06:00:45 PM PDT

  •  YES THEY ARE (1+ / 0-)
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    "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 06:43:10 PM PDT

  •  GUNS (2+ / 0-)
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    ARE DEFINITELY NOT THE PROBLEM.

    NO.

    DALLAS, July 24 (UPI) -- Dallas police said they arrested a man whose gun accidentally went off inside a Walmart store, injuring two other customers.

    Todd Canady, 23, of Waco had allegedly bolted from the store in the Lake Highlands district Monday night when he was confronted by an off-duty police officer about the shooting, which left a woman and a 5-year-old child wounded.

    more guns.  we need more.  And more idiots to carry them.


    "A recent study reveals Americans' heads are larger than they were 150 years ago but sadly there is no indication that the extra room is used for anything." - entlord

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 06:54:59 PM PDT

  •  LOUDER n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Given time, words may even enchant an enchanter. Do you take my meaning, gunslinger?

    by Connolly on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 07:23:46 PM PDT

  •  ?? (1+ / 0-)
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    A rifle magazine limit of 5 rounds or a handgun limit of 10 wouldn't result in fewer gun sales, but it would expose the meme of "the big bad government" wants to take away your guns as pure b.s.
    Uh. No. Pushing gun control of any sort would tend to make those leery of the federal government more so, not less.

    Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

    by KVoimakas on Tue Jul 24, 2012 at 08:09:32 PM PDT

  •  Well, if they're not the problem they're (0+ / 0-)

    a big hunkin' part of it:

    http://www.infoplease.com/...

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