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Mitt Romney campaign ad in Spanish, 2012
Like us, Spanish-speakers!
But do it in English, you bastards.
Steve King is such a miserable excuse for a human being that it's hard to keep track of all the different ways he sucks, but here's another one to keep in mind:
A Republican witness at today’s House Judiciary subcommittee hearing on legislation making English the official language of the United States is from an organization with ties to racism.

Dr. Rosalie Porter, chairwoman of the board of ProEnglish, is testifying in support of the “English Language Unity Act of 2011” before the House Judiciary Committee’s Subcommittee on the Constitution on Thursday morning.

ProEnglish is headed by executive director Robert Vandervoort, who came under fire for hosting a panel at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this year featuring Peter Brimelow of the website VDARE, an organization labeled as a white nationalist hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The panel also featured a speech from then-National Review editor John Derbyshire, who would later be fired from the magazine for writing a racist article in the wake of the shooting of Trayvon Martin.

Hey, I remember that panel! It was the dancing with racists panel! Well, I'm glad to see they've moved on from getting fired from things to finally be re-introducing their "speek 'merikan" legislation, thanks to King's help. Legislation that Steve King himself is sponsoring, in spite of his deep-held belief that Congress holds too many stupid votes on stupid, pointless things already and why can't we just let folks torture animals so we can get to the real issues, which are banning all abortions and sending folks to Kenya to see if anyone there was sending fake birth announcements to Hawaii newspapers fortysomething years ago.

So that's what's happening today. A throwback congressional hearing on, for the umpteenth time, how America has turned into an ethnic-tinged hellscape where sometimes you get a form to fill out and there's Spanish on it and that makes Steve King feel bad because he thinks the form is insulting him behind his back. Or whatever.

There's two reasons I keep writing about Steve Effing King. The first is that my editors are making me do it, because they think it's funny to torture me by making me listen to this flaccid-brained blowhard and write about what lamppost this gigantic dipshit is licking on any given day. The second is that this clown is the face of the tea party Congress. Conspiracy theories, racism, more conspiracy theories, more racism, and an unrelenting hatred of the idea that anyone, anywhere is getting one damn positive thing out of their own government. There's him, Allen West, Joe Walsh, the very special idiot Gohmert, the always-batshit Bachmann, and so on. They're each despicable human beings in their own way, and together with a hundred or so identical clowns it is hardly any wonder that Congress has turned so dysfunctional they keep failing at even the simplest of their responsibilities, like budgets and debt ceilings and giving one flying congressional crap about the national economy.

So instead we get regulations aimed at making District of Columbia residents experiments for all the crap individual states would never tolerate, and "investigations" into whatever thing the always-pissy Issa thinks would make "good theater," and Bachmann's unironic McCarthyism, and all manner of hoo-ha about how the Muslims or the atheists or the gay Muslim atheists are coming to convert you to their gay Muslim atheist lifestyle, because of the United Nations and Agenda 21 and bicycle paths, and a Congress in which at least a quarter of the members are unrepentant, suit-wearing anarchists, always roaming the aisles looking for the next basic function of government that can have its windows smashed out with a barrage of tossed legislative cinder blocks. And that's not even counting the dedicated efforts to butcher each and every successful social program America has created in the last hundred years, because we just can't afford any of those things anymore now that we've given all the rich people yet another round of tax cuts and are in the midst of yet another election debating what new fiscal blowjobs we'll be giving them next time around.

I am not sure, in all of that, how "English Only" is meant to create jobs, though I suppose the next step will be to hire monitors to stand on street corners and in elevators making sure everyone's language choices are on the up-and-up. But good God, how shallow these people are—the whole rotten lot of them.

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  •  King should get input from Mike Kelly. Failure of (9+ / 0-)

    the House pass this type of legislation could be worse for the United States than Pearl Harbor or 9/11!

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:47:49 AM PDT

  •  It's so laughable really. (11+ / 0-)

    America is a bilingual country, and that's official because the country's business community says so. Call any 800 number. What do you hear first? "For Spanish, press 2." Case closed. Why do Republicans keep attacking the business community?

    The universe may have a meaning and a purpose, but it may just specifically not include you.

    by Anne Elk on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:48:11 AM PDT

    •  It's (8+ / 0-)

      para español, marque dos.

      Your left is my right---Mort Sahl

      by HappyinNM on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:56:14 AM PDT

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    •  That gets my MIL pissed when she hears that (4+ / 0-)

      She's an immigrant (from the Netherlands) and she thinks it's wrong that people don't speak English, even poorly, to communicate. I'm sure the English only crowd has managed to hobble together immigrants with similar views. But you're right, the business community found out long ago that honey, er miel, is better at catching flies than vinegar. It's why most businesses have no problem making Spanish ads, or JC Penny's is happy to have Ellen Degeneres as a spokesperson. They know the money spends the same regardless of the race, gender, creed, etc. of the customer.

      Many people thought Bush was "the kind of guy you wanted to have a beer with". People are beginning to realize that Romney is "the kind of guy you want to pour a beer on".

      by ontheleftcoast on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:57:01 AM PDT

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      •  If everything goes as it should (0+ / 0-)

        To be a citizen here in the U.S., you must speak English and say what you are asked to say....as it should be.

        We're not a biingual country...we're a country that speaks English.  Germany speaks German.  Spain Speaks Spanish...you get the point.

        We're and English-speaking country.  PLEASE don't ask everyone here to speak Spanish just because a lot of Mexican immigrants are coming here.  We told all other immigrants that came here to learn English..and so that is our culture...our history...what we do.  PLEASE don't be just so PC that we "require" people to learn a language just because we "allow" a lot of one culture to come here.  We're America...we speak English.  

        Point, Set, Match....so to speak.

        The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

        by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:04:21 PM PDT

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        •  Actually Spain recognizes 4 languages (5+ / 0-)

          Spanish, Basqe, Catalan, and Galician.

          If you're going to use stock Republican talking points you might want to verify them first. OK?

          Many people thought Bush was "the kind of guy you wanted to have a beer with". People are beginning to realize that Romney is "the kind of guy you want to pour a beer on".

          by ontheleftcoast on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:12:35 PM PDT

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        •  Damn straight. If I moved to Germany and (0+ / 0-)

          insisted that everyone speak English around me, and that the business of state be conducted in English, etc. etc., do you think the German citizens would agree it was wonderful cultural enrichment, and get right on it?

          I can't stand it when I can't make myself understood (which happens far too often with supposed native speakers of English), so I don't understand why immigrants don't make at least a reasonable effort to learn English--the language of their adopted country. Are we all supposed to learn Spanish, Thai, Urdu, Pashto, etc., so the immigrants don't have to learn English? I've never yet turned my back on someone necause they speak broken English, and despite having had some coworkers with near-impenetrable accents, I try to remember that their English is better than my X. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be required to learn 6 different languages, or pay for signage et al. to be multilingual.

          •  Is that what you think ESL people do? (3+ / 0-)
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            "insist that everyone speak [their language] around [you]", and that they don't "make at least a reasonable effort to learn English"?
            That's insane. My library is smack in the middle of a whole polyglot of immigrants, and they all go waaaaay out of their way to learn as much English as they can so they can survive and prosper here. We offer ESL tutoring session here, and we cannot keep up with the demand.
            Oh, and the penny you spend out of your taxes each year to provide for the printing of bi/tri/quadlingual government literature? I'll refund that for you.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:28:08 PM PDT

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            •  I'd be very pleased to learn that what you say (0+ / 0-)

              is true. It's just hard for me to believe it when it seems every time I talk to a store clerk, he/she isn't a native speaker and often cannot understand me.

              •  Um, you just learned it. (2+ / 0-)
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                I can't help your denial, but if you really are interested, you might want to talk to your local library. I bet they would be able to show you all kinds of resources for ESL, and I know that they will also tell you that these materials are well-used.

                "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                by bryduck on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:49:17 PM PDT

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          •  what about the Hispanics in those parts of (2+ / 0-)
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            vidanto, JustGiaco

            the US which came to them.... Texas, for example?  Some people didn't immigrate into the US and I don't see that they should be treated as tho they did. They didn't move, the border did.   Recognise Spanish (Castilian) for Pete's sake....

            I entirely agree that it is easier if people all learn English and I doubt that immigrants disagree; they do learn and their children more so.  The question is what is to be done before they are fluent!

        •  Uh, not exactly (3+ / 0-)
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          Practically every European country has these pesky minority languages that are also spoken. (They may not be spoken in court, or official publications written in them, but they are spoken.)

          Welsh is also spoken in the UK; as for other languages there Gaelic Scots is almost extinct, while Cornish is making a minor comeback due to a grass-roots effort to revive the language. In France Breton & Basque are also spoken. In Germany, Turkish is also widely used (when I was there in the mid-1990s, I noticed at least one person reading a Turkish newspaper). In Spain, not only Basque but Castalan, Aranese, & Gallician are spoken, & all have some official recognition.

          BTW, other languages spoken in The Netherlands include Frisian, Low Dutch & Limburgish, & have varying degrees of official recognition. It's hard to find a country where everyone speaks only one language for business & politics.

          Lastly, if English is made the official language, are you in favor of telling Native Americans they can no longer speak their native tongues? This just might be me thinking this, but at the least this would be very cruel & mean-spirited to tell them they cannot speak the language of their ancestors in the same lands their ancestors lived in.

        •  Wow. (2+ / 0-)
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          That argument won't win "The Smartest Thing I've Heard Today Award." I live in NYC, so maybe I'm a bit biased. there is a thriving Chinese community here(among others) that has no need to learn or speak English and, as far as I know, everyone here is ok with that. That you aren't seems to be more your issue to deal with than anyone else's.

          I've always been told that we're a nation of immigrants, not xenophobes.

          Talk to me, not at me.

          by sgt sarcasm on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:29:11 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, come on. Are you "ok" with getting blank (0+ / 0-)

            stares when you try to communicate with the thriving Chinese community, or giving blank stares when they try to talk to you? Cool with hiring interpreters for 16 different languages (it's NYC, after all)?

            What you and the others here, with their tired arguments of "There were 19 different languages being spoken in North America before the Europeans arrived" are deliberately ignoring is the impact of multiple languages on society. If a person from X wants to speak his/her native language at home, or with other Xans, who could object to that? But the X community should not expect the English speakers to learn X. The purpose of language is communication, so I'm not disposed to listen to those who want to shove that inconvenient truth aside and spin the argument as robbing Xans of their precious cultural heritage. What if an X gets hit by a car and you're the only one there--but you don't speak a word of X? How're you going to know that the victim is  hemophiliac, or has AIDS, or doesn't want to be resuscitated, or is asking you to call his spouse, or, or, or? What if you're hit by a car in the middle of Xtown and you can't get help?

        •  Um.... (3+ / 0-)
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          America has always been at least a bi-lingual country.  There has never been a "single" culture.  People have been speaking Spanish here before there WAS a United States.  

          English has no more claim to be our "official" language than Spanish, nor any more claim to being "American" than being Christian, or white, or descended from Englishmen.

          If you think this is an "English-speaking country," you've been bamboozled.  If you'd like to have a better time ordering at McDonald's, you could do a lot worse than do honor your country's heritage and learn one of its important languages, at least enough to order a hamburger.

          •  Not just Spanish (2+ / 0-)
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            vidanto, JustGiaco

            At one time, due to massive immigration from central Europe, German was the second-most-used language in the United States.  Public schools in Pennsylvania taught their classes in German.  World War I started the swift decline of German as a viable second language in the USA.

            Please feel free to HR me for my informative and argumentative nature. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

            by rbird on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 02:51:07 PM PDT

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      •  Besides the English language is doing quite well (3+ / 0-)
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        We have slightly less than 400 million native speakers, and somewhere around a billion to two billion speakers of English as a second language.  Native speakers can be found in at least thirteen nations.  96% of all Americans speak it as a first language.  When the native speakers and speakers-as-a-second-language are added together, it is the most-used language on the planet.

        It's a great language and it doesn't need any help, thank-you-very-much-for-nothing, Republicans.

        Can we have some jobs please?  God, I sound like Oliver Twist.

        Please feel free to HR me for my informative and argumentative nature. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

        by rbird on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 02:44:25 PM PDT

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        •  Oops (0+ / 0-)

          85% of Americans are native speakers, 96% speak the language.  Sorry.  "To err is human..."

          Please feel free to HR me for my informative and argumentative nature. 'To know what is right and to do it are two different things.' - Chushingura, a tale of The Forty-Seven Ronin

          by rbird on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 02:58:56 PM PDT

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  •  I invite the Republican Congress (6+ / 0-)

    to the Bayou where they can force the Cajun's to speak English.    

    Time: Middle of the darkest night. Bring your own flashlight.

    "I don’t know why, but Mitt Romney has gotten this reputation as a guy who can't identify with the common man, no matter how hard he fires them." ---Stephen Colbert

    by Amayupta yo on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:52:20 AM PDT

  •  Should everyone speak English in America? (0+ / 0-)

    So, if someone wants to go to work here in the various workplaces we have in America, should those people actually be able to speak English?  

    People here may very well want to say that this should not be necessary and that it should be up to the employers to make sure that there are people at the work place that can "interpret" for these people and there should be signs and instructions in that workplace that should be in Spanish (or whatever language is prevelent) should know their rights and laws and other instructions.  But, c'mon, folks.  Is that what you think should be the case?  Really?

    Be honest here.  Mom & Pops businesses should be doing this?  Even a bit larger businesses that employ so many people in our country should be doing this?  Are we saying people coming here to America should not learn "our language"?  Is that really what we're advocating here?

    Really?

    The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

    by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:54:00 AM PDT

    •  Huh? What? (4+ / 0-)

      You can't possibly be saying you think that King's legislation is good?  You seriously think we actually might need a bill like his to protect the cupcake shop down the street from the very serious and imminent threat being forced to hire non-English-speaking cashiers and then to hire interpreters for them?  

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:01:02 PM PDT

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      •  I think we're an English-speaking country (0+ / 0-)

        Now, if that's not to your liking...well then, that's not to your liking.

        What more can I say about that?

        The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

        by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:25:29 PM PDT

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        •  There's plenty more to say. (1+ / 0-)
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          The fact is that we are an English-majority country.  So yes, by and large we are English-speaking.  So ... then what? For instance, do we need to penalize business owners whose choose their primary signage for Spanish-speaking customers?  Isn't it THEIR decision?  If you're worried about mom-and-pop impacts?  

          Your scenarios about the impacts on mom-and-pop businesses hiring interpreters are ludicrous and, to put it bluntly, false.   A very nasty kind of scare-mongering.

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:29:34 PM PDT

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          •  So, then, let's just accept All languages (0+ / 0-)

            With what you're saying, then, we should just accomodate all and every language of each and every person here in America?

            That it?

            No scare here.  Just pragmatism.  I don't see you as knowing what that means or accepting that as something people should be.

            Thanks, though, for your response.

            The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

            by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:38:10 PM PDT

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            •  Let's have some defitions, shall we? (0+ / 0-)

              What does it mean to "accept"?  I say it means to allow, tolerate, and co-exist with peacefully.  So yes, we SHOULD accept all languages.  

              What does it mean to "accomodate"?  Does it mean, provide minimal support in certain legal and governmental processes, like including instructions in one or two other languages on vital forms?  That doesn't sound so horrendous to me.   Or does it mean, every sign in every business in triplicate or the gestapo comes for you?  I think we both know that the latter is profoundly improbable and a really rather insultingly unnecessary to even mention.

              I don't think you have very much basis for dismissing my ability to understand the concept of pragmatism.  Going ad hominem on my ass isn't going to strengthen your argument.

              "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

              by lgmcp on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:47:57 PM PDT

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              •  Great (0+ / 0-)

                So, you're trying your best to present yourself as somehow more intelligent than me on this.  Great...I've got the biggest grin on my face you could ever imagine.

                lgmcp, you're smart...I get that.  You're trying your best to win this one...I get that.  Good for you.

                I am not for accomodating a lot of languages in America because i believe that America is an English-speaking country and I think people that come here should learn "our language".  i don't believe in accomodating people that don't want to learn "our language".  You don't agree with that.

                That's the deal.  I'm not sure anyone cares which one of us is smarter than the other.  People here on Daily Kos either agree with what I have said here or they don't.  You don't.  I get that.

                Let's go on to something else, okay?

                The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

                by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:55:17 PM PDT

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                •  I guess I did use some big words, huh? (0+ / 0-)

                  You're presenting one opinion, I'm arguing against it.  I think you're right that we've pretty much established that we're not going to agree, so that's that.  

                  But I have to protest your rude behavior in diverting the argument to my supposed ego-based posturing.  It's a red herring.  Address the substance of my argument as I address the substance of yours, or let it drop -- but don't switch to personalities.  

                  "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

                  by lgmcp on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 01:11:50 PM PDT

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    •  You shouldn't be forced to accomodate Spanish (8+ / 0-)

      speakers in your "mom and pop" store, that's a strawman argument. But you shouldn't force primary Spanish speakers to use a language they're not fluent in to get vital government services. That's the real goal of the "English only" movement. Not to get people speaking English. Hell, the "morans" have a hard time speaking proper English themselves. But if they can find a way to institutionalize racism, they're all for it.

      Many people thought Bush was "the kind of guy you wanted to have a beer with". People are beginning to realize that Romney is "the kind of guy you want to pour a beer on".

      by ontheleftcoast on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:01:55 PM PDT

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      •  No one is saying that (0+ / 0-)

        Nothing in ANY of my posts say someone should have to speak English to get government services.  Nice try.  

        I think that we're an English-speaking country and we should require our "citizens" to speak that language.

        Anything else you want to spin about anything I say is just rhetoric and innuendo.

        The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

        by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:27:54 PM PDT

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        •  Umm, you can tell yourself what ever you want (0+ / 0-)

          but "citizens" means legal residents and not all of them are naturalized. So you are, in fact, demanding resident aliens speak English. You got any more half truths you want to shill do them with someone else, I'm done with you.

          Many people thought Bush was "the kind of guy you wanted to have a beer with". People are beginning to realize that Romney is "the kind of guy you want to pour a beer on".

          by ontheleftcoast on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:31:02 PM PDT

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          •  Citizen (0+ / 0-)

            From this site:  http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/...

            citizen n. person who by place of birth, nationality of one or both parents, or by going through the naturalization process has sworn loyalty to a nation. The United States has traditionally taken the position that an American citizen is subject to losing his/her citizenship if he/she commits acts showing loyalty to another country, including serving in armed forces potentially unfriendly to the United States, or voting in a foreign county. However, if the foreign nation recognizes dual citizenship (Canada, Israel, and Ireland are common examples) the U. S. will overlook this duality of nationalities.
            Go from there.

            The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

            by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:35:28 PM PDT

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          •  citizens (0+ / 0-)

            is not the equivalent of legal residents - you know that.

            is a citizen the same as a green card holder?  No, you know there is a difference.

            I think you can ask something of a legal resident (that they speak a set official language or be inconvenienced) but citizens can make rules for themselves.

    •  Yes. (6+ / 0-)

      In NM, many people are bi-lingual, both Hispanic and not. NM has two official languages, and we communicate quite well. An employer isn't obligated to speak any particular language, and as long as he/she doesn't employ discriminatory hiring practices based on the race/ethnicity of an employee, it's all legal. If we are proud of our status as a melting pot, we accept what that entails.

      Your left is my right---Mort Sahl

      by HappyinNM on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:02:56 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, really. That is what we are saying. (5+ / 0-)

      No official language. We don't need one. There are plenty of reasons to learn English, nobody who comes here needs to be given an official mandate that they speak it. If you want to live and work entirely in, say, China Town in San Francisco, you could EASILY get by without knowing word one of English, and I, as a progressive, will not advocate requiring you to speak it.

      If you don't like the fact that somebody working at the Asian Market speaks no English, don't shop there. Simple as that.

      Someday, there will be more citizens of Spanish descent living in America than people of Anglo descent. When that day comes, will they vote to make America a Spanish language only country? How would you feel about that, if they did?

      •  I expected no less a response (0+ / 0-)

        I believe that our country is an English-speaking country.  I don't think we should accomodate other languages here other than on signs and so forth.  If we compare other countries for their environmental progress to America and if we compare other countries for their immigration laws and if we compare other countries for just about anything else, then we should compare other countries for their beliefs with regard to speaking their language.  We're an English-speaking country and when we say we should accomodate other languages, the we just take away what America is...imo.

        People that want to give each and every culture their "rights" including their language requiring Americans to learn and accept them not learning English are just hurting America.  That's my opinion...and, even if it's not something some people like here on Daily Kos, it's something the VAST majority of Americans believe...and if anyone has a ligitimate link or can prove I'm not right in that...go for it,.

        The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

        by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:13:06 PM PDT

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        •  So your questions were rhetorical? (0+ / 0-)

          You were posing them knowing you would get this response? So, you were trolling, then. Gotcha.

          Now please answer my question regarding Spanish, and a theoretical requirement, made by the majority of American citizens, that we speak it as the official language because they, Spanish speakers, are in the majority. As they will be in about twenty years.

          We are progressives here at Daily Kos. We advocate policies that make sense, not policies that are the most popular with the majority of Americans. Your argument boils down to "it's popular, so we should do it."

          Okay, so what happens when the shoe is on the other foot, as it will be?

          •  "trolling" (0+ / 0-)

            So last year.

            Get a new name for people that you don't like what they post.

            Sheeesh.

            The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

            by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:21:48 PM PDT

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            •  Okay, "Being an asshole" then (0+ / 0-)

              Like that better? Callit what you will, you were being provocative to get a response.

              •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

                Pragmatic seems to work for me.

                I hate it that you don't think like I do, but it's a big, wide world with a lot of beliefs.  If you get a "rec" for what you've said, I'll be amazed because people here on Daily Kos know that I'm all about speaking my own point of view and don't just follow along with a line that I think someone else will think is "neat" and "cool".

                The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

                by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:31:21 PM PDT

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                •  Not what you said, how you said it. (0+ / 0-)

                  You were being provocative for the sake of it. At least that's how I read it. If you were not, then I apologize.

                  Say whatever you like. But when someone has a different opinion than you do, and you say something along the lines of "I expected no less of a response," well, don't expect a friendly reply. That's a dickish statement, and you are likely to get what you give when you respond like that.

        •  No one is requiring you to learn anything. (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
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          Ahhhh...Freedom.

        •  Ban Cajun French on the radio! (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          lgmcp, devis1, Sue B, belinda ridgewood

          Notwithstanding that their ancestors were in Louisiana well before there was a United States and had no say-so whatsoever in Napoleon's decision to expatriate them for $15 million.  How dare they continue to pollute the airwaves with the tongue of cheese-eating Muslim appeasement!

      •  I don't support "english only," but (0+ / 0-)

        I also don't like that every job I apply to requires Spanish language skills. Unless Spanish language is going to be made mandatory in our schools, employers should not be allowed to require Spanish, with some exceptions.

        No, people shouldn't be required to learn English, but if they make that choice, they should have to deal with the consequences.

    •  Wow, you'd hate Milpitas, California (6+ / 0-)

      big shopping centers with dozens of stores where the signs are in various Asian languages with no English translation. Chinese signs, Korean signs, etc.

      But it's a prosperous and relatively peaceful city. So it seems to work.

      •  No one is talking about signs (0+ / 0-)

        Lots of Asians in Milpitas...and lots of Hispanics as well.  What if we get a lot of Muslims and a lot of Indians and a lot of Russians and...well, you get the point.

        We speak English in America.  End of story.

        The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

        by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:21:00 PM PDT

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        •  I feel sorry for your sad lack of (2+ / 0-)
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          empathy and, ironically, common sense. How on earth does the creation of bilingual literature, for example, affect you negatively in any way? Is it the money, because I'd bet the amount you've paid every year in taxes since your birth to create those forms can be found in your couch.

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:31:43 PM PDT

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          •  Never, ever said anything about literature (0+ / 0-)

            Don't change what is said here, bryduck.  I like almost everything you've ever posted...but this is wrong to post something against me that I didn't say.

            I hate this.  Now, I definately am against having to start posting dozens of signs here in America in every conceivable language that could be prevelent in our country with even a few immigrants coming here to accomodate "their language"...that's just asking too much, imo.  If you're okay with that and think that we should do that...well, yeah, I guess we disagree.

            The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

            by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:47:31 PM PDT

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            •  You might want to look up the word (0+ / 0-)

              "example", because that is what I used. An example of the results of your thinking. And if you aren't talking about how public monies get spend, then you really don't have any stake in this discussion, and you are now contradicting yourself. Quoting from this comment:

              I definately am against having to start posting dozens of signs here in America in every conceivable language
              but earlier you said:
              I don't think we should accomodate other languages here other than on signs and so forth.
              So, are you ok with bilingual signs (which I termed "literature", btw), or not?

              "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

              by bryduck on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:57:00 PM PDT

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              •  Oh, c'mon (0+ / 0-)

                Yeah...good catch.  Of course, I was talking about Spanish...but, didn't say that.  You got me there.

                It really doesn't go against anything I believe or have said other than that...but, again, good catch.

                The truth is sometimes very inconvenient.

                by commonsensically on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:59:02 PM PDT

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        •  Next to Milpitas, there is a city called Fremont (0+ / 0-)

          which has Arabs and Indians and Russians, just as you say, as well as Afghans and a few Irish folks such as me (I lived there for several years). The city is not only majority minority, it's even majority non-Christian. And majority foreign-born.

          And guess what. Average household income is six figures. And despite being a large city (200k+), it is also quite safe.

          I don't know where you live, but it must be very homogenous and boring.

  •  You Forgot (0+ / 0-)

    Trent Franks. He definitely should be added to the House Ass-Clown list.  It mystifies me how Bachmann and King get re-elected. Minnesota and Iowa are not inherently crazy places. But I totally get how Ghomert and Franks get elected -- Texas and Arizona are inherenly crazy places.

  •  Preach it, brother. (4+ / 0-)
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    I can never get enough.  You express so beautifully the jaw-dropping outrage that they just can't give us a freakin' break from for one single day.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:55:10 AM PDT

  •  This is one... (2+ / 0-)
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    righteous rant!!!

    Thank you for making my day!

    "Think and wonder, wonder and think." --Dr. Seuss and while you're at it... 48forEastAfrica - Donate to Oxfam

    by PaDemTerry on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:55:17 AM PDT

  •  There are more intelligent hogs in Iowa (0+ / 0-)

    than Steve King.  Having gone to school there, I can swear to this on a stack of Mad Magazines/National Lampoons (because I don't do bibles).

    It's a shame that the people in his district don't send one of those hogs to Congress, it would improve both the smell and the discourse.  

    A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism. -Carl Sagan

    by jo fish on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 11:57:49 AM PDT

  •  Here's how to stick it to these Congressmen: (6+ / 0-)

    Submit an amendment to their bill requesting a couple hundred million dollars for English as a Second Language programs.  Let's see them shoot their mouths off about the importance of speaking English, and then vote against programs that would teach people to speak English.

    Art is the handmaid of human good.

    by joe from Lowell on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:00:26 PM PDT

    •  There's a good deal of evidence that the (2+ / 0-)
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      "official language" crowd are the ones that bring down the class average.  They're all named above, and it's likely that no one ever scrambled to sit next to and copy off of their schoolwork years ago.
      Europeans who don't live in isolated or remote areas seem to be able to speak the language(s) of their neighbors, at least minimally, because they live in proximity.  Today we'd all profit from other languages being part of our daily environment, but that would mean those aforementioned beanheads would have to make a semi-academic effort to deal with the world.  It's easy to see why they are seeing commies, sharia lawyers and garden gnomes all over the place.  If you're not ignorant as a feral yokel, ya' justain't one ovem.

      Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

      by judyms9 on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:11:03 PM PDT

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  •  During Sarah Palin's rallies, when she (2+ / 0-)
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    was running with McCain, the fringe elements of the country--ignorant, homophobic, racist, Christianist blowhards--came out of the shadows, where they belonged, to worship at the altar of the Queen of Wasilla.  She encouraged their nonsense, and they became emboldened, showing up armed at rallies, and she happily legitimized their boorish behavior.  By the time Obama was elected, and the ACA was being debated, these people felt they should have a seat at the table.  They rolled around the country in Dick Armey's buses, carrying their misspelled, misinformed signs, disrupting town halls with orchestrated screaming and howling.  They were greeted by the media as a legitimate "movement,' and no one questioned who was bankrolling them, or if their stances had any basis in fact.  By 2010, their handlers had enough confidence to field boorish, loudmouthed candidates in the name of this mob, who swept into office thinking they owned the place.  

    Here's hoping the 2012 will be the year that the public realizes that there is no real "movement" supporting these people, and that they need actual legislators to do the people's business in Washington.  At least enough of the public to decrease their numbers so they can't hold the country hostage any more.

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --attributed to Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:02:33 PM PDT

  •  if it was good enough for Jesus... (6+ / 0-)

    it has to be good enough for America.

  •  I have to say (1+ / 0-)
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    that there is a hell of a tenuous connection from Rosalie Porter of ProEnglish and VDARE: someone else in the organization hosted a panel that invited a racist...ohnoez!

    That being said, it is also a load of manure to require English proficiency to get service from the government.

  •  I think Hunter needs a week off (0+ / 0-)

    from having to listen to these people.  Especially since it's a full moon.

    We're all pretty strange one way or another; some of us just hide it better. "Normal" is a dryer setting.

    by david78209 on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:12:34 PM PDT

  •  Best line of the day (1+ / 0-)
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    howabout
    I am not sure, in all of that, how "English Only" is meant to create jobs, though I suppose the next step will be to hire monitors to stand on street corners and in elevators making sure everyone's language choices are on the up-and-up.
    I love this one. May be one of the best things I've read on DailyKos in awhile... and that's saying a lot because the competition is very good.

    --- We. Did. It. (Together!)

    by Adistius on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 12:20:29 PM PDT

  •  I want to be on the committee (0+ / 0-)

    that separates English from other languages.

  •  A waggy Dem should attach a rider (0+ / 0-)

    that prohibits foreign-language instruction in the United States.  Heck, why stop there!  Let's require that foreign language films be dubbed in English and ban the performance of German, Italian and French language operas.  As the Ruskies seem to be slipping increasingly out of favor, we could make performances of Boris Gudonov or Evgene Onegin punishable by death.

  •  We don't speak English in the United States. (1+ / 0-)
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    We don't call the hood on our car a bonnet.  We don't call an umbrella a brolly.  If you go to England or Scotland, you'll probably have a hard time understanding some of the people speaking English because of their "heavy accent".

  •  I guess King just can't help himself (0+ / 0-)

    He's picking a really bad time to go all crazy, however, because he's actually got a tough reelection fight on his hands. His district has gotten more swingy due to redistricting and he's up against a bigtime challenger (Christie Vilsack). Now might be a good time to tone down the crazy, Mr. King. If you don't have a filter for that mouth of yours, go find one and fast.

    At least we know where he stands. A lot of Republicans hide behind code words and whatnot, but King is an unabashed bigot, plain and simple. This is the fuckwit, after all, who claimed Al-Qaeda would be "dancing in the streets" if Obama won in 2008. (Not too accurate as predictions go. To be fair, it's hard for Al-Qaeda to dance with bullets in their heads.)

    Oh and I hate the fact that he shares a name with my literary idol. Though I bet Stephen King has had some fun with that.

  •  So does this mean Barak Obama is paling around.... (0+ / 0-)

    ...with terrorists, while Robert Vandervoot is paling around with racists.?

    Robert Vandervoort... [hosted] a panel... featuring Peter Brimelow of the website VDARE, an organization labeled as a white nationalist hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. The panel also featured a speech from....John Derbyshire, who would later be fired from the [NRO] for writing a racist article.
    Using his crystal ball, Vandervoort looked into the future and saw that Derbyshire was going to write something racist in the NRO; that is why Vandervoort agreed to host the panel.

    Yes, I do think King is a racist. I also think that Vandervoort is a racist.

    But I don't think we should be engaging in attacks that are based on guilt by weak association.

    This is not on par with Todd Palin being a member of AIP or Sarah Palin giving a speech to their convention. Now that was paling around with terrorists.

    This Space for Rent. Expressions of interest from SuperPACs should be submitted in the form of a reply to one of my comments.

    by xynz on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 02:53:17 PM PDT

  •  "You can only speak English here!" (0+ / 0-)

    Will soon turn into, "You can only speak Newspeak here!"

    16, Progressive, Indian-American, Phillies Phan. Obama/Om/Chase Utley

    by vidanto on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 08:36:59 PM PDT

  •  This (0+ / 0-)

    16, Progressive, Indian-American, Phillies Phan. Obama/Om/Chase Utley

    by vidanto on Thu Aug 02, 2012 at 08:41:10 PM PDT

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