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I think in some of the internet people are beginning to demonize Chick-fil-a just a little bit too much.  People like this guy who lost it with a Chick-fil-a employee are doing more harm than good.  If you want people to support your cause you have to distance yourselves from people who are obviously not helping and condemn their actions, even if you agree with their message.

Dan Cathy is the President of Chick-fil-a and he dislikes gay people and thinks horrible things about liberals and whatever.  So that's fine, if you don't want his company having money, use the Free Market to your advantage, don't get food there and do your little part.  But I can almost guarantee you that yelling at an employee at Chick-fil-a, or vandalizing a store is going to rally the Right to their cause more than it's going to make people think about discrimination.

The average employee at Chick-fil-a probably doesn't know, or care, about the president of the company.  I have, in the past, worked for a couple of different fast food places and I never had any idea who the boss of the company was or what their politics were and I was fairly involved in such things.  I would guess this holds true up until the corporate level as well, so destroying a store, or yelling at the staff isn't going to make anything better, it's just going to ruin someone's day, or worse, make them think that people who support gay equality are terrible people and therefore gays must be terrible people too.

Look at the way that the news is dealing with this issue now, it's gone from a protest against what they do with their corporate money, which everyone I think agrees isn't illegal or somehow dishonest, to a media story about how 'the gays' are being disrespectful, causing damage and generally doing exactly what we would scream at if the Right did to Ben & Jerry.  

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  If you want other people to treat you and your ideas with respect, you must disagree with their ideas respectfully. I'm not saying don't protest legally, or that this is an issue that should be ignored, but if you're doing something illegal, or heck, just mean, you are NOT HELPING, you're just providing fuel to the fire and allowing Dan Cathy to look like a victim of attack from the evil liberals and if media goes with that meme, and we keep providing them evidence to support that meme some people who were on the fence are going to get off the fence.

Some will get off the fence to come support you and your cause.  The problem is that some will go off the fence the opposite way, to get away from you, and when that happens there's nothing you'll ever be able to do to convince them to support you again and you've lost a potential ally just because you wanted to be an ass to a $8.50/hr fast food worker who's never heard of Dan Cathy and doesn't care.

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  •  This has already been diaried twice today. (1+ / 0-)
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    Bob Love

    The first turned into a huge piefight. The second one was close to turning into that, with a commenter comparing Chick Fil A protesters to Tea Party hatespeech towards a man who has Parkinsons.

    One side thinks this guy's protest action was right, the other thinks we should avoid offending people while Chick Fil A supports hate groups.

    Please. We don't need a third one. You've made your point and neither side is changing their mind. Please stop.

    "I read this- Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of $#!^ I'm never reading again!"-Officer Barbrady

    by Broke And Unemployed on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:08:25 PM PDT

  •  We don't need to talk about fast food (5+ / 0-)

    My boss is Jan Brewer since I am a state employee of Arizona.  She is a complete fucking tool.  But screaming at me about what she has done ain't gonna do much about it.

    Seriously, how many folks at DailyKos work for companies, organization or states that are run by right-wing tools?  I'm guessing many.

    The guy videotaping his rant at a Chik-i-fila drive-through window is an asshole.  It ain't like she has anything to do with anything.  She's just doing her job and trying to pay the bills. That said, there are always assholes to be found on both the right and left.  An the left, we need to denounce his actions and move continue our boycott.

    "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

    by Empty Vessel on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:10:09 PM PDT

  •  He paid to murder us in Uganda (6+ / 0-)
    he dislikes gay people and thinks horrible things about liberals and whatever
    DBAD

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:22:44 PM PDT

  •  When do you ever start taking responsibility? (1+ / 0-)
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    Broke And Unemployed

    Ok don't blame the $8.50/hr cashier but don't be shocked if they grow up to be Mitt Romney either.  

    •  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone? (3+ / 0-)
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      cassandracarolina, azrefugee, cap76

      I'm an atheist, and this advice seems prudent.

      I don't know you, but I am willing to bet big money that you have worked, do work, or have purchased products from major-league right wing douchebag.

      I guess then, that I shouldn't be surprised if you grow up to be Mitt Romney.

      PS  Do you really think Mitt Romney ever worked a day of his life in a fast-food restaurant?

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:29:00 PM PDT

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      •  Ethics don't get easier (1+ / 0-)
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        Broke And Unemployed

        Sure we choose our battles but quitting the $8.50/hr job and going across the street to get another just might make the choices clearer later.  The buck might not stop at the bottom but it better start stopping before it gets to the CEO.  This country is becoming an ethical sewer.  No one is ever responsible for anything.

        •  Creepy. (3+ / 0-)
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          Bailey2001, cap76, Neuroptimalian

          This authoritarian mindset reeks of the Tea Party. How many ways does it have to be said?
          She is NOT responsible for Cathy and his views and actions.

          While many minority groups are the target for discrimination, few face this hostility without the support and acceptance of their family as do many glbt youth.

          by azrefugee on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:48:19 PM PDT

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          •  User 330,000-something, so you're (0+ / 0-)

            Probably right

          •  Authoritarian? Tea Party? How? (0+ / 0-)

            Your group are the authoritarians, sticking up for this corporation. She is not responsible but is a small cog in the hate machine, a machine that sponsors groups that hate gays, and even groups that would like to murder gays, like in Uganda.

            I almost threw a donut for comparing people who support this man's action to the Tea Party, but it's not worth it.

            "I read this- Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of $#!^ I'm never reading again!"-Officer Barbrady

            by Broke And Unemployed on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:13:45 PM PDT

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        •  I note two things (2+ / 0-)
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          BillyZoom, CherryTheTart

          1. You didn't mention if you have or do work for a right-wing douchebag, or if upi have purchased something from a right-wing run company.  

          2. Have you seen this little thing called the Unemployment Rate?  Hint: Its high...jobs are hard to find, yet we still need to pay the bills, feed ourselves and our families, and you know, survive.  Your view that someone can just quit a job and find another reeks of a Mitt Romney level of disconnect with the real world in which many people in this country live.

          "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

          by Empty Vessel on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:55:52 PM PDT

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        •  This. (0+ / 0-)

          Somebody has to take responsibility. if I worked for Chick Fil A and hear this i would look for another job, even if I couldn't quit right away. It's not the drive thru clerk's fault, but Chick Fil A employees could take a stand by looking for work elsewhere.

          "I read this- Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. I read every last word of this garbage, and because of this piece of $#!^ I'm never reading again!"-Officer Barbrady

          by Broke And Unemployed on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 06:09:22 PM PDT

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          •  How do you know she hasn't tried?? How do you (4+ / 0-)

            know if she can't...perhaps it is the only job she can walk to?  Perhaps her school sent her there?  Perhaps she got the job because her auntie is a manager?  Perhaps her kid's babysitter lives across the street????  Do you know her story??  

            You think the dumb ass who randomly chose her knows her story??  No....she didn't deserve it all day long!

          •  Must be convenient. (0+ / 0-)

            You know, having the wherewithal to treat a job as if it were Facebook--to unfriended at the slightest offense.

            A guy a thousand miles away says something in an interview, and this young lady gets a nasty earful from someone who thinks he's helping.  You don't have to find that offensive, but you should at least be aware of the optics.

    •  Absurd. (7+ / 0-)

      It's not our job to go around haranguing fast food cashiers so that they will be liberals. Just absurd.

      Our responsibility is to be adults, to press and protest and fight. Our job is to never stop till we have equality.

      Taking it out on innocent people is ridiculous and shameful. He should have driven his ass to corporate and told THEM.

      While many minority groups are the target for discrimination, few face this hostility without the support and acceptance of their family as do many glbt youth.

      by azrefugee on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 05:29:57 PM PDT

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  •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)
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    Hushes

    this is just the stupid, arrogant sort of position/attitude take by some big corporations;

    The Customer is Always Wrong is the new meme of corporate America

    "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Fri Aug 03, 2012 at 07:07:05 PM PDT

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