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I am still facebook friends with a few of my Naval Academy classmates (class of 1981). Most are very conservative.

The conversation started when I posted this:

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My point on this whole matter: I acknowledged that I thought that Chick-Fil-A restaurants ought to be treated in the same way as other businesses when it comes to licenses, permits and the like.

The CEO of Chick-Fil-A has free speech rights and the GOVERNMENT shouldn't sanction him on his views.

Now when it comes to customers patronizing his business: customers have free speech rights too.  And yes, this CEO went beyond merely saying "I think that gay marriage is immoral"; he actively worked against gay rights by funding groups trying to prevent gay rights legislation from passing and trying to overturn newly won rights.

Two of the groups (at least) are listed as "hate groups" by the Southern Poverty Law Center (here and here)

The point of this post
During the discussion, I had posted a photo of Chic-Fil-A patrons and called them "dummies".  I also called the Chick-Fil-A CEO a "slime-bag".

Then one of my Naval Academy classmates (a smart guy who built a successful business) accused ME of "hate".

I couldn't quite tease out what his problem with me was, but evidently he saw the Chick-Fil-A CEO as merely "expressing an opinion".."practicing his religion"...and evidently.....a "reasonable opinion" with his actions.  

On the other hand, I "called people names": in his mind, my name calling was hateful but the ACTIONS by the CEO weren't.

I have to admit that I've seen this from other conservatives (example: my wife's Rotary Club).  People are considered "nice" if they dress well and behave with manners.  WHAT causes they work for simply isn't a criterion for "niceness".

Sorry: bigotry, even when approved of by religion and expressed by monetary means and spoken in proper diction via hotel ballrooms remains bigotry.

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  •  When I was a kid, anyone who hustled money (7+ / 0-)
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    petesmom, onanyes, BachFan, ExStr8, kyril, marykk, devis1

    for their business by using their Christian faith was considered a "blasphemer".

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 04:05:54 PM PDT

    •  Now, you see it all over the place (3+ / 0-)
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      David54, kyril, devis1

      You see the "fish" sign on some stores, etc.

      "Obama won. Get over it."

      by onanyes on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 04:29:26 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  It is amazing how much... (3+ / 0-)
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      kyril, Cassandra Waites, nokkonwud many Christians ignore what Jesus actually said and did.  Those who look at and use Christianity as business clearly are ignoring Jesus having thrown the moneychangers out of the temple.

      •  Someday someone will write a Pulitzer prize- (0+ / 0-)

        winning book about this.
        At one time, faith healers went around from town to town holding "tent revivals" in which they fleeced the local yokels . Then radio was invented and the hustlers flocked to the new medium.
        Then tv.
        At this point, Christianity represents a confluence of the  John Bircher/ Jim Crow religious right and the power of televangelism.
        It has perverted even the best of mainstream denominations.
        It's amazing to think that we cannot fully grasp what's happening in America today without going through the thought and writing of Sinclair Lewis, who was the most ironic of prophets.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 08:09:30 PM PDT

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  •  I'll say a word in defense of the owner (4+ / 0-)

    If you are the majority owner of a company, you can do with your net profits what you want.  Provided he/she is open about where the money goes ans publishes it to the public, so consumers can make their choice to patronize or not to patronize.  And provided this owner is majority owner, otherwise, the majority stockholders should have their say.

    What is really disgusting is, thanks to Citizens United, all these political ads from phantom organizations and we have no idea who is funding them.  I'll give Chic-Fil-A's owner an A for public disclosure.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 04:31:04 PM PDT

    •  Does the owner have any more obligation (0+ / 0-)

      to disclose how he spends his profits than others have to disclose how they spend their income? Were these donations made by the corporation or the owner?

      "Okay, until next time. Keep sending me your questions, and I will make fun of you... I mean, answer them." - Strong Bad

      by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 05:34:44 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, Mr. Cathy can spend (2+ / 0-)
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      his money as he sees fit and we can decide to tell people where that money goes.

      It would also be his right to support the KKK with his money, but should we give him a pass for that, too?

      And lest you think that is hyperbole, it isn't. The groups Cathy supports advocate prison, re-education camps, and even death for gays and lesbians.

      In wine there is wisdom, in beer there is freedom, in water there is bacteria. Ben Franklin

      by nokkonwud on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 06:54:50 PM PDT

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  •  The country club, or good 'ol boy networks are (6+ / 0-)

    still very alive and havens for genteel bigotry. A better class of people. And they are you know. Please. Why even call it bigotry? Its hate rhetoric pure and simple. Yes they will use words that are not quite ooutright insluting, but you'll get the jist of it if you know the code.

    They get very upset when you call them on it. They play the victim card. They hide behind the first amendment and other techincalities to shild themselves from retribution from thosde who would take action against them. They are also very nervous right now.

    The usual brand of bluff bluster and bullshit is not working on the American public. There will always be a certain segment of the population that will vote against its ownslf interest. That population is shrinking. New stories keep coming to the light about what Mitt did where and when and the its too complicated for little pepople like us to understand. We  should just take his word for it..........

    Lets let those folks wither on the vine. Isolate them and innoculate the rest of the public against this kind of stupid.

  •  I see this all the time (5+ / 0-)
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    it is acceptable to be bigoted agains gays if it is your opinion or religion.

    We need to fix that:

    "The job of the gay community is not to deal with extremists who would castigate us or put us on an island and drop an H-bomb on us. The fact of the matter is that there is a small percentage of people in America who understand the true nature of the homosexual community. There is another small percentage who will never understand us. Our job is not to get those people who dislike us to love us. Nor was our aim in the civil rights movement to get prejudiced white people to love us. Our aim was to try to create the kind of America, legislatively, morally, and psychologically, such that even though some whites continued to hate us, they could not openly manifest that hate. That's our job today: to control the extent to which people can publicly manifest antigay sentiment."
    --Bayard Rustin; From Montgomery to Stonewall (1986)

    If altar boys could get pregnant, contraception would be a sacrament.

    by tiponeill on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 05:12:49 PM PDT

  •  well said (1+ / 0-)
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    Id rather be a tax and spend democrat than a borrow and spend republican any day. I pay my bills. - me

    by AustinLiberal on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 06:18:59 PM PDT

  •  Last midnight for the genteel bigot. (0+ / 0-)

    For those keeping score at home, started at 2:55.
    "You're so nice, you're not good,
    You're not bad you're not bad you're just nice.
    I'm not good, I'm not nice, I'm just right>
    I'm the witch,
    You're the world."

    I guess I should be happy that the left has gone from genteel bigotry to modest support, and the right has gone from crucifying us on fences to just genteel bigotry.  Baby steps.

    Minority rights should never be subject to majority vote.

    by lostboyjim on Sun Aug 05, 2012 at 08:39:24 PM PDT

  •  Ironic, eh? (1+ / 0-)
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    It's apparently not "hateful" to advocate discrimination against someone on the basis of their sexual orientation, but it is "hateful" to call the person who does that a slimeball.

    Glad we cleared that up!

  •  If you want to engage people on the issues (2+ / 0-)
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    Miniaussiefan, onanyes

    fightin' words is not the way to do it. As Nobel Laureate Richard Feynman's father pointed out to him quite frequently, names are bupkes. What counts is behavior. Your poster says what you mean quite adequately without the name-calling.

    You might want to read up on how Bono got Sen. Jesse Helms, one of the nation's greatest bigots in modern times, on board to address the global AIDS emergency, in part by talking scripture to him.

    Hands off my ObamaCare[TM]

    by Mokurai on Mon Aug 06, 2012 at 12:53:56 AM PDT

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