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My husband, who would rather stand on his head whistling Dixie than tell a lie let me in on some very good insight to his dealings with the Mormon church when he was married to one for 8 years.  He was NOT nor ever became a Mormon .

The women are taught how to care for the husband.  Be understanding.  If the husband is unreasonable, how to deal with that issue.  They are taught to know what the husband's desires are and should he be inclined to cheat, expect it and know how to be reassuring and understanding.  They do believe to cater to the husband in every respect.

The Mormons are taught to store one years canned goods up.  This is contrary to the  teachings of Christ.  

The wife is to be submissive at ALL times.  

The Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon trumps any Christian or any other Bible.  
The women are subservient to the husband.
The case of infidelity is "This is how a man is" and it is taught by the elders who control everything.  

Every single denomination or faith is wrong and is an abomination unto God by the Church of Ladder Day Saints,  so lying and even killing has been justified for the LDS.
There is absolutely no equal rights in the marriage even if the husband is not a mormon. The LDS is to convert the husband and everyone else to their theology.  It is an absolute mission on the church to do this.
Demigods....There are many Gods and the Mormon faith will trump a presidential decision at all levels especially if you were a bishop.

My husband told me that they tried to convert him to Mormonism and even told him he was a Mormon whether he knew it or not but he said, " I am not and I do know it".

 They won't talk down other religions openly but clearly have an agenda to convert the world .  They are taught the dominant religions such as baptists, catholics, penticostals,the jewish faith, methodists and will quote your faith with great ease to you to deceive.  They travel in two's and wear white shirts and ties.  They will use you own bible against you.  
To qualify to be a Demigod..you excel in business,  money, pay tithes and work with the church in their network.  They hook up Mormon families to find employment.  They have trucking and all kinds of  business entites.  The church control those businesses.  Trick is ..They only help Mormons or at least one member such as my husband's situation and if  active as his wife was and no one else.  Conversion is very important in the help you get.

Joseph Smith was run out of every town until he ended up in Salt Lake City.  He was given by God a manifesto many wives if they want by a mythical angel Morani and said it couldn't be reversed.  The US government said they can't do that..so he had to have another revelation from God.that say .Don't do that..Of course he was caught in poligimy and was imprisoned after going against his own manifesto.....

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Now to the fun part.  Why in the world would a rational man want to leave such a position as my husband was in you might ask?  Well there are many reasons.  First of all this was his third wife.  He could cheat, drink, lie, and all would be forgiven.

 My husband could not buy into Lucifer and Christ being brothers and their faiths were as opposite as she and I are.  He was not an overbearing person and believed in equal rights.

 Keep in mind, before marrying her,  he was raised with women having active roles such as being preachers in the church.  He also believed that no woman should be dominated.  I guess bottom line he was not the average rational man and was looking for another war and found one when he married me.. (LOL)  I am opionated, argumentative at times, challenge many things, and won't bow to any man.  I am NOT understanding about infidelity and so far he has remained faithful in our 22 year marriage.  I am a feminist.  I do not want to cater to anyone but I do respect and honor our vows and marriage.

 He could not buy into that ...whole married to the 1st wife in heaven deal either.  I mean the sealing part.  If people are mormons and had been married before they have to go back to the first wife.  My husband had many wives, me being the last, I assure you.  He said his Mormon wife was a good woman and that is about all he says.  She tried to live her faith and he said he just could not love her.  He married her and he wanted to settle down but he found out he just got tired of running around on her and felt even though it was accepted in her faith, he could not continue to emotionally do that.  He did not love her as a husband should love his wife and truly believes that the mormons or anyone who does  this sort of thing as a lifestyle do not love or they couldn't be so morally premiscuous  with their devotion .

I was not taught to be kind and understanding in overlooking zipper problems.  I was taught to leave or STAND MY GROUND.  ( Take that however you want).  I was taught about the unwritten law.

In contrast to the situation in Texas, in Georgia the wife could kill her husband's paramour, but just as in Texas, the spouse was not permitted to kill the other spouse. Another difference between the Georgia and Texas justifiable homicide rules was that, in Georgia, the paramour [generally was not allowed to use lethal force to defend himself against the spouse's lethal attack]....
Incidentally, a 1975 Georgia appellate case that began the abrogation of the Georgia rule drew a three-judge opinion that began (in relevant part), "I violently dissent." "What were the rights of the common law wife [who caught her common law husband in adultery with another woman] -- to walk away, taking no action whatever to prevent the act of adultery, or its completion? That is directly at variance with the law of Georgia!" (Note that the dissent wasn't just arguing that the defendant should have had the benefit of the old rule, however wrong, but seemed to be defending the rule itself, and arguing that the rule justified killing of the spouse as well as of the spouse's paramour.)

A pretty appalling state of affairs, and shocking that it persisted until 30 years ago

http://www.volokh.com/...

My husband believes with all of his heart that Mitt Romney who was a missionary and Bishop absolutely would run the country under Mormon guidlines.  No doubt he says.
He said that after living with a Mormon for 8 years, he knew how the church trumped and dominated all aspects of business and politics and Romney is lying if he says different.  These folks are absolute in advancing their theology worldwide.
The elders of the church will back him and advise him and dictate this country.  They feel according to my husband this guy is their God of America and that is scary.

Brain injury or not, we sure don't want a self appointed God to hold the football.

Originally posted to Vetwife on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:12 PM PDT.

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  •  You had better learn to (12+ / 0-)

    cook, clean, sew, garden, preserve food, help with the harvest, be a breeding sow, help with barn raising...

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:39:29 PM PDT

    •  Plenty of Mormon women burn out by their (7+ / 0-)
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      late 30s and take a hiatus. I dated a lot of them when I lived in Idaho. None of them ever got excommunicated, and such as wanted to go back to the church were welcomed with open arms. Heck, not that many of them ever really left it. I had a number of them tell me that while the church looked with great disfavor on premarital sex, they had already been married so it was ok in their present circumstances, lol.

      For best results, don't confuse the mainstream LDS church with the fundamentalist sects. Today's mainstream Mormons are much more diverse and "normal" than most people think.

      Moderation in most things.

      by billmosby on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:07:16 PM PDT

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      •  Well since Romney is of a sect that thinks that (4+ / 0-)
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        it is important for others to know.

        Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

        by Horace Boothroyd III on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:12:02 PM PDT

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        •  I am disadvantaged by having lived in Michigan (1+ / 0-)
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          during the time that George Romney was running for President. At the time I knew next to nothing about Mormons and saw George as just another mild-mannered moderate Republican. Until he let on to being brainwashed, which I thought was just a bit of a weird thing to say...

          Moderation in most things.

          by billmosby on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:17:07 PM PDT

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          •  Well that is one sign of (1+ / 0-)
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            wierd.   I believe Mitt is maybe more dug in because of his Bishop status.  I don't know.

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            by Vetwife on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:21:08 PM PDT

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            •  Bishops are a dime a dozen, though. (6+ / 0-)

              It's a calling that lasts for a few years and then they are released. Anybody that's reasonably successful in business and other aspects of life will get the calling sooner or later. I grant you Mitt's probably a bit special. But not too much, otherwise he'd be in the Quorum of the 12 Apostles (well, on his way at least, you have to be nearing 80 to actually get on that).

              Callings are made for everything. My wife said we should stick to vehicles with small passenger capacities because otherwise we would get a calling to haul all and sundry who needed transportation to church. She said that out in that country anybody with a "BMW" (Big Mormon Wagon) was susceptible to that. lol.

              Her actual calling was to make wedding cakes. She made a lot of them. I think she was reimbursed for ingredients, but not her time of course. She was still plugged into the culture if not so much into the church.  Missionaries frequently came by the house; they were for her, not for me.

              Moderation in most things.

              by billmosby on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:31:32 PM PDT

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            •  Just a small correction (2+ / 0-)
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              about this

              Joseph Smith was run out of every town until he ended up in Salt Lake City.
              Joseph Smith never made it to Utah.  He was imprisoned in Missouri and shot to death as was his brother Hyrum while they were locked in the jail.

              And, just to be clear. . .there was no Salt Lake City then.  When Brigham Young, Joseph's successor, led the Mormon's into Utah and the Great Salt Lake valley there was NOTHING there but desert and sage brush.

              *the blogger formerly known as shirlstars

              by Shirl In Idaho on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 10:13:41 PM PDT

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  •  My foray into marriage to a Mormon... (11+ / 0-)

    I had a Mormon wife also. Religious differences did that marriage in to some extent, helped along by differences in money management, stepchild considerations, and also by one belief- that the deceased are just beyond the veil watching and trying to help out. Her first husband had died a couple of years before in an ultralight airplane accident; they had had some discussions as to whether she should remarry if he died. He didn't want her to remarry. So I think the thought of him watching everything she did must have been a bit unnerving to her.

    Nobody ever tried to convert me; her mom gave me a Book of Mormon "just so I can see why they're strange" she said, or words to that effect. Her mom had been a Ricks by birth, a descendant of Thomas E. Ricks who was sent north from Salt Lake City in the later 1800s to settle southeast idaho. A pretty distinguished and devout family as they go. So I was kind of surprised that I didn't come under any pressure to convert. I think they were just more interested in trying to get my wife back into the mainstream LDS church. She had begun to question the church, but in the sense that it had lost its way and needed to get back to its fundamentals. She was not at all into the concept of polygamy however.

    Perhaps due to that I fail to see the LDS church as particularly motivated to convert everybody in sight. I think they just baptize all of us posthumously these days and let it go at that.

    I'm about as scared of being made subject to the tenets of the LDS church in a Romney administration as the usual Kossack is of being subject to sharia law by somebody in the Obama administration. Not much.

    Moderation in most things.

    by billmosby on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:41:23 PM PDT

  •  I am not a Christian of any type -- (8+ / 0-)

    why is storing food "against the teachings of Christ"?

    Is it because it's not generous?  

    Personally, I feel that if you're going to park yourself in Utah, where the soil isn't that great, it used to make a good deal of sense to have food in storage.  And it's not the world's worst idea now -- in an emergency, it doesn't hurt to have some non-perishable food on hand until you can get to the store.

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    by cai on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:41:46 PM PDT

    •  it is not just food they store (5+ / 0-)

      According to the Christian bible, KJV and International bibles...Jesus taught to take what you have and give to the poor and take no thought of tomorrow by storing.
      It specifically speaks of feeding the poor and feeding the hungry and they store up in all states and countries, not just Utah.

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      by Vetwife on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:46:10 PM PDT

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      •  And yet Joseph (5+ / 0-)
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        (the first one, not Smith, lol) gained great fame and favor by storing up food in Egypt. Go figure.

        Moderation in most things.

        by billmosby on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:52:41 PM PDT

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      •  Meh. Maybe it's because I'm not a Christian, but (5+ / 0-)

        I don't see that as a particularly scary instance of religious weirdness.  Seems fairly sensible, to me.  

        (And, where do you draw the line?  Is stocking up on frozen goods when they have a sale against the rules?  What about buying toilet paper in twelve-packs?  Do you have to shop every day to be hewing to the rules?)

        I guess you could use that to argue Mormonism isn't Christianity... but as an outside to both, I don't really care.  

        (I've had Protestants try to tell me Catholicism isn't Christianity, and I'm like, dude, whatever, he's not my god, it's not my problem.)

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        by cai on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:54:41 PM PDT

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        •  it explains the problems the evangelicals (2+ / 0-)
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          have with the mormons.  I understand your take on it.
          I don't equate Mormon faith with Catholics.  I know there was a huge debate when JFK went in but there is a lot of wierdness imo in the mormon beliefs.

          Now....saying that.. there is a huge difference in storing for a year and a payday.  A year is like a bunker type deal.
          I mean dude, if your transmission goes out you can't swap your grits for a tranny and you spent it all in the storehouse unless of course you got a lot of transmissions stored as well.

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          by Vetwife on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:03:00 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah, but you don't know if you're going to (5+ / 0-)

            need a specific car repair (or, not a long time in advance).  You know you're going to need food.  If anything, I think more people should have a few stores on hand, for when there's an earthquake, a snowstorm, a hurricane, etc.  

            And I don't consider it selfish, either... you're not buying luxuries, but basics, and every family who can provide for themselves is one less person buying bread and milk as the shelves empty, or driving on the road when it's hazardous.

            I understand that many people can't afford any extra, and most people can't afford to store a year of food, or have the room for it... I can't and don't... but if you can and do, I don't see the problem.  It doesn't scare me like people who have arsenals.  It doesn't put me in danger like people who illegally store gasoline.  

            You want to store a bunch of dried beans or MREs in your basement?  Knock yourself out.

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            by cai on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:12:26 PM PDT

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            •  My cars never gave advances (0+ / 0-)

              of breakdown.  Bartering ..I don't see anymore.
              They do store gasoline.

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              by Vetwife on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:24:48 PM PDT

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            •  In farming country... (5+ / 0-)

              ... where I grew up, everyone (in town and out in the country) had vegetable gardens and every housewife I knew did fall canning, and lots of kids helped their mothers with it.  We had shelves of canned goods that Mom made from our garden (and she bought crates of pears and peaches to can, plus we picked strawberries and wild raspberries and blueberries for jams and sauces), plus there was the big freezer in the basement that held the fall butchering of one pig, chickens, the half a beef they bought (or we raised sometimes), the one deer Dad shot every year at deer hunting season, and the Thanksgiving turkey.

              Out on the prairies and farming communities it's just basic, good common sense to have winter stores of food.  Sometimes there are blizzards that last two or three days (I remember them, in fact, especially the three-day blizzard at the beginning of March '66 where several people died, including a couple of children who got lost between the barn and the house; I was nursing a baby and if I had not been there wouldn't have been any milk for her 'cuz Mom and I ran out of milk for the two of us before the road was plowed - there are very practical reasons for nursing a baby aside from the fact it's healthy and good for them; there's always a ready supply of food when a mother nurses her babies).  Mom and her brother remembered a bad blizzard that hit overnight around Veteran's Day 1942.  She and her brother had gone to the dance in town and couldn't get home.  With others who couldn't get home, they stayed at the cafe in town until the roads were cleared and they could get home.  Really, one doesn't want to get stuck in a blizzard without food.

              Canning, freezing, or otherwise storing food for winter use is the one thing for which I won't criticize anyone of any religion - or non-religion.  It's just good common sense to keep from starving to death in the middle of winter when one lives out in the dingtoolies many miles from the nearest town.  I applaud the common sense and foresight of those who make sure their families are well fed for the winter, and having the house heated (cords of wood stacked against a house for easy retrieval for early family members in pioneer days) because of the advance preparation against a long, cold, and harsh winter when temps dip to 40 below plus a wind chill.

              I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

              by NonnyO on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 10:09:18 PM PDT

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          •  That's what ammo storage is for. (0+ / 0-)

            Use bullets as currency to trade for other odds and ends people have lying around. My first exposure to communist-bloc small arms (a few SKS rifles in the closet) occurred during my Mormon marriage. One of my jobs was to track down where a couple thousand rounds of 7.62x39 ammo had got off to. The answer: the 9 year-old stepson had taken them to one of the old outbuildings on the property. I think I found all of them and got them locked up; there were no unauthorized explosions that I ever heard of...

            Of course, that experience is from farm country. Not sure it translates totally well to a city experience.

            Moderation in most things.

            by billmosby on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:14:00 PM PDT

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        •  The Mormons I have known in different parts of (0+ / 0-)

          the country always shared with those in need.  This spans the 70's-90's & during a time when there were no food banks around.

           If one was in need, one did not have to be a Mormon to ask for assistance or food.  When I was in social work during the Reagan years, I often referred those needing help to the local LDS for food & financial assistance & clothing....

          I so hope that this is still the ways of the majority of these folks.

          The way it was explained to about the stocking up thing (during those decades), it was meant to see one through in case of unemployment or other disaster.  In those days, a lot of the items were canned & as a group at the church or at each others home.  Always seemed a sensible thing to me & something I wished I could do (but never did)

          The few Mormons that I have personally known are kind & generous & just overall lovely beings who enriched my life & touched my heart in memorable ways.

          •  Still is. (1+ / 0-)
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            An LDS friend put out a Facebook request for toys, children's clothes and strangely, bedroom furniture. I asked her, what's up?

            Car accident. Dad was killed. Mom seriously injured. Three kids banged up but ok. No family in the area, so an LDS neighbor was taking them in -- she was pregnant and had like 6 kids of her own to care for. They would have their own room and be cared for until their mom was released from the hospital. Then Mom would be cared for as well.

            My friend was inundated with not only stuff for the children but her (mostly LDS) friends provided cash so that the family's bills could be paid as well.

            It was a spontaneous outpouring of generosity that truly astounded me.

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            by grover on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 01:54:22 AM PDT

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      •  the storing of food (0+ / 0-)

        has more to do with self-sufficiency and what not. There's not much selfishness about it (and frankly, everyone needs to keep a supply on hand for at least six months in case of disaster.) One thing they'll never admit today is how socialist the early days of their religion were.

        pseudoscience can kill

        by terrypinder on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 04:56:31 AM PDT

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    •  Nothing wrong with the soil in Utah, (3+ / 0-)
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      but we could use more water and less heat. We're growing tomatoes, pears, peppers, squash, etc. just fine this year as every year in our tiny back yard. Farmer's markets in the SLC area have a great variety of locally grown items for quite a stretch during the summer.

      Moderation in most things.

      by billmosby on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:55:01 PM PDT

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    •  asdf (0+ / 0-)

      Matthew 6:19-21

      Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20“But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys, and where thieves do not break in or steal; 21for where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
      Luke 12
      And He told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man was very productive. 17“And he began reasoning to himself, saying, ‘What shall I do, since I have no place to store my crops?’ 18“Then he said, ‘This is what I will do: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. 19‘And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years to come; take your ease, eat, drink and be merry.”’ 20“But God said to him, ‘You fool! This very night your soul is required of you; and now who will own what you have prepared?’ 21“So is the man who stores up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.”

      Medic Alert: Do not resuscitate under a Republican administration.

      by happymisanthropy on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 08:02:47 PM PDT

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  •  Frankly, Mormonism shares a lot of those beliefs (11+ / 0-)

    about women's subservience with a good chunk of Protestant churches in this country.  Plenty of them say that women should be subservient, meek little breeders, too.  It wasn't the Mormons who started the Quiverfull Movement.

    Which is not to say Romney wouldn't be a total asshole on women's issues.  He would.  But so would any other Republican.  Anyone remember Dubya?

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    by cai on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:45:39 PM PDT

    •  yeah but I bet Laura slapped him in some (2+ / 0-)
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      of those pics.  I never believed she was as mild as she appeared.

        I agree about some of the servant teachings that are referenced but according to my husband who was brought up in a very strict religious faith..Women had their say..not so with the Mormons he met and knew in 8 years and that was in Florida.

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      by Vetwife on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:49:30 PM PDT

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      •  Laura looked at W the way Russian (2+ / 0-)
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        women are said (and to some extent, observed, by me) to look at their men: with a mixture of fondness and pity. They then resume their usual role of running most everything but the actual formal government.  Why, at the moment, a group of three Russian women have news anchors all over the world saying the "p" word in all seriousness.

        Moderation in most things.

        by billmosby on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 06:58:24 PM PDT

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  •  That is a true statement. (0+ / 0-)

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    by Vetwife on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 07:05:55 PM PDT

  •  tell your husband (0+ / 0-)

    Utah was one of the first states to give women the right to vote.

  •  The only Mormon I knew personally defrauded a (3+ / 0-)
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    family member. After a court case when the con woman fled our state, I contacted some of her co-religionists.  They were astounded that she was now trying to con them. Not OK.  But her defrauding others/non-Mormans  was a pass.  

    "...it's difficult to imagine what else Republicans can do to drive women away in 2012, unless they decide to bring back witch-hanging. And I wouldn't put it past them." James Wolcott

    by Mayfly on Tue Aug 07, 2012 at 08:10:10 PM PDT

  •  Short Eyes Smith never made it to Utah (2+ / 0-)
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    He was murdered in Illinois, after ordering the destruction of a printing press after the newspaper that it published revealed his polygamy.

  •  that is VERY scary - and it is an underlying (1+ / 0-)
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    concern i've had from the beginning.  i'm agnostic - i don't follow ANY organized religion - and i am very wary of those who put their religious ideology above their secular responsibility.

    i want a secular president and after that job is done, i don't care if they worship a 6 foot high rabbit called harvey - i just don't want that rabbit in the oval office sharing decision making!

    •  Hey! Harvey is a genius when it comes to (2+ / 0-)
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      Foreign policy!

      He can see Russia from his burrow....

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      by grover on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 01:58:52 AM PDT

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  •  why can't lucifer and jeesus be brothers? (1+ / 0-)
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    oortdust

    "god" "made" them both. one of the few things about mormonism that actually seems logical.

    oh what do I know. I left all that behind at 15.

    pseudoscience can kill

    by terrypinder on Wed Aug 08, 2012 at 04:53:28 AM PDT

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