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Obama also did that. This seems to be essence of the Repubs response to questions on the Medicare cuts proposed by Ryan in his budget.  The lie that Obama somehow stole $700B from Medicare and paid into Affordable Care Act aka Obamacare is being swallowed by the Beltway Pundits. This fraudulent point was first rolled out during Mitt's VP announcement on Saturday and was also in the Romney camp talking points that CNN unearthed. We also noticed that the Sunday Morning Shows also had this same point from the Repubs and their water carriers David Gregory, George Stephy etc. We saw the point about the $500B (not $700B) saving accruals from Medicare to the Affordable Care Act not being highlighted by Democrats in these talk shows. I wanted to scream yesterday that the Dems better prepare a good biting reponse but looks like they have not done their homework. Even Rachel Maddow, giddy after the Ryan pick seems to have lost her moorings on this.

Ideally the response should have been thus:

"That's another lie trotted out by the Romney camp and its $500B not $700B." Yes, Obama made the cuts but the cuts were from Medicare Advantage, a Republican give away to the Insurance companies, cost controls at Hospitals and by plugging fraud waste abuses. Ryan then shamelessly took these savings and inserted it into his Budget and all the Repubs voted for it. See David/George, its easy to fall for their talking points if you don't do your homework.

Not sure what the rapid response team is doing and shame on them and their high salaries if they haven't prepared the Dems who go on these shows. David Axelrod also doesn't seem to have his points written down.

The Repubs seem to be enthused by the early crowds that Ryan seems to be pulling but so was Palin.

The Obama team better have a Medicare/SS blitz in the next few weeks in FL, PA and OH.


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  •  Wasserman-Shultz (12+ / 0-)

    Obamacare Added 8 Years to Life of Medicare

    They got this.  It's not a hard argument.  Obama made cuts that saved seniors money and extended the life of Medicare.

    Ryan made cuts to give to rich people.

    I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

    by coquiero on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 10:46:21 AM PDT

    •  yeh but the wingers are addicted to cat food nt (1+ / 0-)
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    •  The problem I have with this argument is (3+ / 0-)
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      coquiero, mikeVA, bythesea

      that it credits the assumption that the federal government is strapped for money.  Our federal government is a sovereign nation, which issues its own currency on the citizens' behalf.  Thus, the argument that there is not enough money is a cowardly excuse for Congress not doing what it was tasked with doing in the Constitution.  Congress handed control of the currency off to the banks (like dad giving mom his paycheck) so they could argue that any mismanagement is not their fault.

      "Entitlements" is another word for "rights."  Depriving the American people of their rights is an abrogation of Congressional obligation and we should not let them get away with being insubordinate.

      Romney and Bryan both have delusions of grandeur and need to be taken down a notch.

      Skinflint and Scorn seem appropriate monikers or

      The Vicar and His Vice.

      Willard's forte = "catch 'n' cage". He's not into "catch and release."

      by hannah on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:23:32 AM PDT

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  •  They Already Lost This Issue 2 Years Ago. (5+ / 0-)
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    coquiero, eXtina, GustavMahler, zoebear, caul

    Republicans made the sale, so what Obama has to do is overcome an established belief. It won't be easy.

    That's another lie trotted out by the Romney camp and its $500B not $700B." Yes, Obama made the cuts but the cuts were from Medicare Advantage, a Republican give away to the Insurance companies, cost controls at Hospitals and

    We have to speak in newsprint style. The very most important word or phrase comes first, and every successive phrase goes to successively minor points because you never know where an editor will cut you off or the reader will flip away.

    So a more effective response would be "No that was stopping waste and abuse [or some similar term perhaps 'overcharging'] and blah blah from there.

    Never open by conceding ANYTHING. Open by asserting. If you must concede a point or a technicality you put it at the end after you paint your picture.

    There's no debating in politics.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 10:50:45 AM PDT

    •  "They" Meaning "We" Already Lost This Issue nt (0+ / 0-)

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 10:52:17 AM PDT

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    •  Called it out as a lie upfront (2+ / 0-)
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      GustavMahler, SoCalSal

      Thought I did that by first calling BS on the assertion and then giving 3 easy to remember points on how the cuts came about
      a) Medicare Advantage
      b) Hospital cost controls
      c) Fraud Abuse reduction

      I do agree that more need to be done about our (DNC/DLCC/OFA) messaging and discussing ideas with Kossacks  helps to sharpen my own arguments!

      •  The big point is (0+ / 0-)

        that no democrat should say ever 'Obama made the cuts...'

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

        by GustavMahler on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:39:03 PM PDT

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      •  Agree totally mysoreback--I've been shouting this (0+ / 0-)

        at the teevee for the last year.  They need to refute that lie every single time.  It is shocking how the punditry never challenges it, and even the Dem and Obama surrogates aren't quick on the draw with this.  

        They NEED to challenge this because it is the only thing the GOPers have to try to support the lie that they are trying to SAVE it or REFORM it and not destroy it, which, of course, is exactly what they are trying to do.

        Contact Stephanie Cutter if possible, I think she is on the ball, and eventually some of these things that seem to slip through the cracks start to get their attention.

        I sent dozens of e-mails  and tweets regarding making sure the Dems clarified that it was the first $250,000 OF INCOME that gets a tax break--meaning everyone gets a tax break--not anyone earning UNDER $250,000, which is what they try to sell on the GOPER circuit.  I'm sure it wasnt my effort alone, but slowly the Dems started to state this more frequently.  

        It makes a difference--contact the Obama team.

        If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

        by livjack on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:45:14 PM PDT

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    •  problem is that we need to find a way to express (1+ / 0-)
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      complex issues so they fit on a bumper sticker which is about the attention span for many voters

    •  Exactly the point. (3+ / 0-)
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      CoyoteMarti, Leap Year, SoCalSal

      You cannot start with the phrase 'Obama made the cuts..' This is all that people will hear.

      You MUST start by saying 'They are not cuts'. "These are savings by eliminating waste, not cuts to benefits" Something like that.

      I was surprised to see Rachel miss this. Rachel wanted to argue that Willard was attacking Obama for cuts that Willard also proposed. Rachel's argument was too wonky.

      We can already see the meme going that 'Romney killed that guys wife'. Americans can only absorb short simple phrases and memes. I am surprised that the WH does not have someone in charge of phrasing, it is so important. I remember in 2008 George Lakoff offered to help the democrats with their phrasing but I think he was ignored.

      Just remember how repukes changed 'estate tax' to 'death tax' and how well that worked.

      My point is Dems need to respond that these are not cuts and not use the phrase 'Obama made the cuts.."

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

      by GustavMahler on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:37:20 PM PDT

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  •  Obamacare stresses cost control. (6+ / 0-)

    Ryancare stresses rationing care.

    Romney-Ryan is like Dole-Kemp for amateurs..

    by Bush Bites on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 10:54:43 AM PDT

  •  Have A Little Confidence In Your President..... (5+ / 0-)
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    coquiero, ukit, eXtina, Farkletoo, GustavMahler

    Do you seriously think Obama is going to roll over & pee on himself for a little putz like Paul Ryan?  

    He's got this.  The Obama campaign completely eviscerated Romney's business cred this summer.  Next up for the operating room is little Eddie Munster.  Paul Ryan meet Joe Biden.  Meet David Plouffe.  Meet Axelrod.  Obama has other fish to fry.  His team will take care of little Eddie.  

    The pick was only announced yesterday.  He'll be eviscerated in due time.  Give him a few days to flounce around.  Give him some rope, some national exposure.  It's the courteous thing to do.  Then move in.  

    •  The timing is pretty good too (2+ / 0-)
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      eXtina, coquiero

      With most of the country focused on the Olympics, nobody cares what some random Republican on a Sunday show has to say.

      The key is not to take the bait - don't overreact and get drawn in to their argument. Come up with the best attack and engage on your own terms.

    •  I think the diarist wants to be able to (6+ / 0-)

      argue the point in discussions s/he might be engaging in before the election. Having some ammunition is always helpful.

      "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

      by eXtina on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:01:43 AM PDT

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    •  But phrasing is so important. (1+ / 0-)
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      Rachel actually agreed that Obama cut Medicare $700 billion this morning, this cannot be allowed to happen. She tried to argue that Willard would do the same thing but she conceded that important point. Americans don't have time for long explanations. 'They are not cuts to Medicare' should be the first thing out of their mouths in response.

      I also noticed that Axelrod let Gregory say 'Obama got everything he wanted in his first two years'. This is another meme that cannot be allowed to pass. Someone needs to say "All of Obama's ideas were blocked or watered down by republicans in his first two years. He never got to do what he wanted." Even though the 'all' is incorrect, you still have to push that out there. The thing that will stick in people's heads is 'all Obama ideas blocked'.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

      by GustavMahler on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:45:53 PM PDT

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  •  differentiate MC+ from standard MC as you have (2+ / 0-)
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    coquiero, ferg

    done; MC+ was a failed experiment by insurance carriers to herd the elderly into HMOs.  Most notable was the carriers cherry picked the population and could still not beat standard MC in terms of cost containment.
    In addition, many elderly found themselves "slammed" into these plans by fast talking reps when the carriers did not even have a provider network in place in the area. In many cases, the elderly were expected to travel 100+ miles to find a provider

  •  Got One (3+ / 0-)
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    coquiero, FiredUpInCA, SoCalSal

    The ACA didn't take a dime from Seniors. The primary financial change were reductions in payments to providers and Hospitals not services that would be provided to patients.

    A Romney/Ryan Administration at the very least would take away the Payment Advisory Board from trying to do what Ronald Reagan always said we should do, find better more efficient ways to deliver services without Rationing which otherwise would Decrease the Solvency of the Trust Fund, they would Re-Open the Prescription Drug Donut Hole, they would Bring Back the Deductibles & Co-Pays for Preventive Screenings, they would - if they can - create a Voucher System for Medicare that could increase out of pocket costs for Seniors by as much as $7,000 per year according to the CBO.

    And you know what else they'd do?

    They'd  Keep those Medicare Cuts In Place and instead of Extending the Life of the Trust Fund as the ACA has already done - they'd give it over to Inefficient Corporate Insurance Companies to pad their profits, while forcing families to make the painful and potentially deadly choice of dropping the coverage they can no longer afford.

    That's the real Death Panel, a sad family around their own kitchen table staring at the incoming bills.

    Details in my most recent Diary:

    •  Medicare Advantage provides services beyond (0+ / 0-)

      ordinary Medicare and ending Medicare Advantage reduces what seniors receive.  Why do you think millions of seniors signed up for Medicare Advantage?


      The private plans are required to offer a benefit “package” that is at least as good as Medicare’s and cover everything Medicare covers, but they do not have to cover every benefit in the same way. Plans that require higher out-of-pocket costs than Medicare for some benefits, like skilled nursing facility care, can balance their benefits package by offering lower copayments for doctor visits. A private plan may use some of the excess payments they receive from the government for each enrollee to offer supplemental benefits.

      Many plans use the excess subsidies to offer hearing coverage, vision coverage, gym memberships and other services not covered by Medicare. As with traditional Medicare, private plan members can incur high out-of-pocket costs, however Medicare Advantage plans typically have an out of pocket maximum ($6,700 for example), which can protect individuals against catastrophic medical bills. Once the out of pocket maximum is reached for an individual, the plan will pay 100% of Medicare approved services for the remainder of the calendar year, with no lifetime maximum, so long as individuals use in-network providers. If individuals voluntarily choose to use out-of-network providers, they generally must pay the full cost of their care and there is no out-of-pocket cap on their expenses. This can be a problem for people with Medicare with costly conditions, who need to use out-of-network specialists or who are hospitalized and are forced to use out-of-network doctors while in the hospital. By law, however, if a patient's in-network physician orders tests or procedures that are not available or provided by any in-network facility or specialist's office, the Medicare Advantage plan must pay for the patient's procedures or services at an out-of-network location at no additional cost to the patient, so long as the necessary services are normally covered by Medicare.

      Medicare Advantage plans typically do not contain deductibles, thereby giving members "first-dollar" coverage. Original Medicare has a potentially recurring (more than once per calendar year) deductible for Part A and an annual deductible for Part B.

      The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

      by nextstep on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 01:14:59 PM PDT

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      •  ACA did not *end* Medicare Advantage (1+ / 0-)
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        Some of the extras that some Medicare Advantage plans offered included exercise club fees, and Medicare was paying those private Advantage insurers 17% more than other health care providers. Moreover, some of those Advantage plans had very low subscriber satisfaction ratings. ACA brought some accountability with published ratings of all Advantage plans. Now those low-rated plans have to clean up their acts.

        I chose a Medicare Advantage plan because I'd been uninsured for several years and didn't want to search for a primary care doctor. I'm with one of the highest rated MA plans in the nation.

        The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

        by SoCalSal on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:35:12 PM PDT

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  •  took money from private insurance companies (13+ / 0-)

    The sound byte is that Medicare Advantage is NOT Medicare. The diary and several comments allude to this but don't clearly state that there are zero cuts to medicare. There are $500 billion in cuts (over ten years - how did that suddenly become the metric? Oh yeah, to make the numbers sound as scary as possible) to a private insurance game that is full of waste. By definition.
    Try this;

    Obamacare frees up $500 billion of taxpayer money from private insurers to strengthen Medicare.
    Then you can get into how messed up it is that government hands out $50b/year to private insurance companies; the very ones yielding record profits and killing people by spreadsheet.

    Mitt Romney is not running a campaign; he's making a hostile takeover bid.

    by kamarvt on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:09:56 AM PDT

    •  That's excellent (0+ / 0-)

      I hope the diarist posts your comment in the diary.

      That's the exact right response, only I would include that Ryan's plan is taking money from seniors to give to the rich in tax breaks.

      I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

      by coquiero on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:14:29 AM PDT

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      •  Am not looking to revise the diary but hoping.. (2+ / 0-)
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        kamarvt, vernonbc

        somebody from the Obama campaign looks at the responses and formulate something better. We know from the Swift Boat and Death Panel experience that lies once not refuted early enough tend to get a life of their own and the Repubs are past masters at this.

    •  Exactly my points above. (1+ / 0-)
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      Phrasing and framing are so important.

      The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

      by GustavMahler on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:49:02 PM PDT

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      •  the O campaign needs to hire a few of you methinks (2+ / 0-)
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        GustavMahler, kamarvt

        If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

        by livjack on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:51:21 PM PDT

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        •  Haha. (1+ / 0-)
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          This is just simple psychology and linguistics and understanding what people hear and think.
          It is not rocket science. If someone like Rachel fails to rebut the charge that Obama cut Medicare, what hope is there for the rest?

          The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

          by GustavMahler on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 03:21:59 PM PDT

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          •  I know it's not rocket science. This is what is (0+ / 0-)

            so confounding.  Such common sense, such practical and clear ways to push back--yet they don't seem to know how--or don't WANT to do it.

            Tin foil hatville would say--they don't want to do it, but that is very hard to accept.  Not there, quite yet.

            If the plutocrats begin the program, we will end it. -- Eugene Debs.

            by livjack on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:51:22 PM PDT

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  •  This is another example of a half truth (2+ / 0-)
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    ROGNM, coquiero

    that aims to deceive.

    The ACA shifted the $500 billion from so-called Medicare Advantage, where is was subsidizing exercise programs and diet counseling to actual care providers in the Medicaid program.

    As far back as Clinton/Gore there was an argument that "preventive care and patient management" would be effective in reducing costs by preempting illness and injury. "Preemption" is a word favored by both liberals and conservatives.  In the event "managed care" ended up being a feel-good, big profit endeavor and the subsidy from the federal government was not worth while.
    Not to mention that it was the Medicare Advantage program which had promoted the idea among relatively healthy new retirees that they were enrolled in a "special program" having nothing to do with the federal program.  That was the genesis of the "get your hands off MY MEDICARE."
    Indeed when communications arrived from insurance companies urging people to "choose a plan" and/or renew their enrollment, the communications came with a disclaimer that what was being offered was NOT endorsed by the Federal agency charged with supervising Medicare. Subscribers were on their own!  So, the Tea Party people had good reason to think they had something special (albeit useless) that was going to be discontinued.
    That's how half-truths work.
    Half truths are everywhere in Republican speak.  I'm sure you can provide more easily understandable examples.

    Willard's forte = "catch 'n' cage". He's not into "catch and release."

    by hannah on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:10:29 AM PDT

  •  They cut Medicare Advantage. (2+ / 0-)
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    leighkidd, Val

    Basically, through the program seniors could opt to get vouchers and use them to cover part of the cost of insurance rather than be covered by Medicare.

    A couple problems with the program:

    1)  The voucher was for more money per senior than Medicate costs.
    2)  Insurance companies add a lot of red tape.  It was not unusual for someone to go with Medicare Advantage, run into a problem with their insurance company (Doctor choice limitations, procedures not being covered, etc), and then switch back to Medicare.  So private insurance companies got paid more than Medicare costs while providing inferior coverage, and in the end the government actually paid for health care.

    So it was basically the government paying more for less.  Getting rid of it made the program more efficient without reducing benefits.

    •  Should add that a popular Republican meme (4+ / 0-)
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      Michael James, Mysoreback, ferg, Val

      that really hasn't seen much liberal pushback is that claim that government is always less efficient than the private sector.

      This should be fought whenever it comes out.  While the government isn't perfect, the private sector works to maximize profits - revenue less expenses.

      There are three primary ways to do this:
      1)  Be efficient while providing the same services (Good!).
      2)  Increase revenue for the same service (Bad!).
      3)  Decrease expenses by providing lower quality services (Bad!).

      Take private prisons:  Studies show they cost more than public prisons (2), and they often take advantage of prison labor (3), while putting competing businesses that use non-prison labor out of business.

      Take Chicago's parking meters:  They increased revenue by making parking insanely expensive (2).

      Schools contracting out janitorial work for lower prices have also been hit hard by (3).  The contract labor doesn't do as much, requiring teachers to do more.

      The government (theoretically, at least) works for the public good, so they much less incentive to do 2) and 3).  They perhaps also have a bit less of an incentive to do 1) as well, which is where the meme comes from.

      •   So true (3+ / 0-)
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        Flying Goat, Val, vernonbc

        The other really annoying problem is that any time there is a breakdown in government, whether overcharges, delays, bridges to nowhere, those things are always cited as proof that government doesn't work.

        However, whenever we have an Enron, Worldcom, 2008 financial meltdown, contractor selling $700 toilet seats, etc. that is NEVER cited as proof that the private sector doesn't work.

        The bottom line is that, sure, government sucks sometimes.  The solution, however, is not to get rid of government's role, but to make sure there is enough transparency and checks and balances.

        "Why do we see the same old Republicans all over the news all the time when they were kicked out for screwing everything up?" - socratic's grandma

        by Michael James on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:04:00 PM PDT

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        •  Right. (1+ / 0-)
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          Michael James

          Transparency, and hiring smart, dedicated people, who will take the initiative when cost cutting opportunities present themselves.  And by not punishing whistleblowers like Thomas Drake, who point out inefficiency in the system.

          Oh, and I should also mention that since private companies are generally for profit and pay management more, private companies start at a disadvantage - needing more money to break even, all else being equal.

    •  Very good (3+ / 0-)
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      Flying Goat, ferg, cuphalffull

      I sold these plans but soon discovered the tragedy of costs not covered. They are typically bought by low-income seniors when wealthy ones are the only logical buyers. The company mantra was don't counsel - sell and move on. $$$ for the insurance companies.

  •  Savings, not cuts (4+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, ferg, Val, SoCalSal

    Are Republicans opposed to saving money without cutting benefits.

    Obamacare's $500 billion of savings comes from not subsidizing private insurers to provide what the government already provides.

  •  Probably more importantly (2+ / 0-)
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    SoCalSal, vernonbc

    Is that the alleged "$500 billion medicare cut" is not a cut at all. It is a decrease in future growth. It is the difference between what would be expected to be spent with and without the ACA. Arguing that there are both higher costs and cuts at the same time is disingenuous. Spending more is not the same as spending less.

    One one hand, they scream about cutting benefits (which is a falsehood), and on the other hand scream about the out of control costs. This should be a winning issue for Dems. It hasn't been dealt with very effectively. Republicans go on with the $500/$700 billion in "medicare cuts" with impunity.

  •  How about (5+ / 0-)
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    ukit, ferg, BitterEnvy, Stude Dude, tb92
    That's just bullshit. Democrats gave you Medicare and have spent their history keeping the Wall Street Republicans' grubby hands off of it. When was the last time you ever met a Democrat who didn't stand up for Medicare? And when was the last time you ever met a Republican who didn't want to take it away?

    "Whenever a fellow tells me he's bipartisan, I know he's going to vote against me."-- Harry S. Truman

    by irmaly on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:20:16 AM PDT

  •  Ryan voted for the cutss and voted for the waste (2+ / 0-)
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    ukit, Val

    Basically, everyone now agrees that the subsidies for Medicare advantage was a waste of your tax dollars and did nothing for the health of seniors.  You can tell that because in Ryan's budget (which every Republican voted for) the SAME cuts are present.
    However, in 2003, Ryan himself voted FOR the program that introduced the waste.  Thus, he admits he voted for wasting hundreds of billions of your tax dollars on these subsidies and voted against stopping the waste.  He's also voted 33 times to keep the waste in place and hasn't been able to move his own proposal to stop the waste through congress.

  •  Even George W. Bush's official says it's a lie (3+ / 0-)
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    ferg, SoCalSal, RJDixon74135

    Gail Wilensky, who served as administrator of the Centers for Medicaid and Medicare under President George H.W. Bush and is a senior fellow at a health-research organization in Virginia, told Bloomberg News that...“There are no reductions in the Medicare benefits promised in law,” she said.[...]

    The act scales back payments to Medicare Advantage plans, which are an alternative to traditional Medicare, Bloomberg reported. The Affordable Care Act itself did not reduce benefits to seniors, and both Democrats and independent analysts say the act will reduce the national debt over time.


    Bumper Sticker/Elevator Pitch/Tee-shirt version:

    Obamacare cut overpayments to providers, not beneficiaries.

    The choice of our lifetime: Mitt Romney, It Takes A Pillage or President Barack Obama, Forward Together.

    by FiredUpInCA on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 11:54:53 AM PDT

    • just put up an article about this (0+ / 0-)

      a few hours ago: The Romney-Ryan $700B Disagreement
      Some snips:

      "Even in Washington, $700 billion is a lot of dough, so it's worth focusing on the fact that Republican Presidential nominee Mitt Romney and his chosen running mate, Cong. Paul Ryan (R-WI) disagree about $700 billion in Medicare reductions included in the Affordable Care Act (aka: ACA, ObamaCare)."
      To begin, it is undeniable that Congressional Democrats and the Obama White House chose to pay for nearly half the cost of the ACA by reducing Medicare's expected rate of growth by about $450 billion between 2010 and 2019. The number, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office (CBO),  is now up to around $700B because three early no-or-little reduction years have been supplanted by three full impact years (2013-2022).
      During the Senate and House debates on the ACA in 2009 and 2010, Congressional Republicans pilloried Democrats for cutting Medicare $500 billion to finance ObamaCare. After the law was signed on March 23, 2010, Republicans brought the drumbeat to the campaign trail, urging seniors to vote Republican to repeal ObamaCare and stop the Democrats' cuts to Medicare. In November 2010, senior citizens voted Republican by the largest margin in modern political history and gave the GOP control of the U.S House of Representatives and a stronger minority caucus in the Senate.

      With me so far? All's fair in love and war. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Politics ain't beanbag. So true.

      Then it gets really interesting.

      In the spring of 2011, the new Republican House majority votes overwhelmingly in favor of the budget proposal advanced by the new House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan. Ryan proposes a controversial restructuring of Medicare to move it in a premium support/voucher direction beginning in 2023, a proposal that gets lots and lots of attention, pro and con. Ryan's budget proposal also includes complete repeal of the ACA, with one little-noticed exception, the $500 billion in ACA Medicare reductions.

      I encourage everyone to read this article!

      Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

      by RJDixon74135 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 09:00:21 PM PDT

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  •  One thing to keep in mind (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans will need to make a big effort to get this message out. Democrats on the other hand got a massive free media push for their arguments this week.

    Every news story, from ABC to the local paper, is reporting on Romney's VP pick. Somewhere in that story will be a paragraph about how he wants to privatize Medicare. It's as essential to Ryan's bio as the fact that Palin was from Alaska.

  •  Agree with you re Axelrod. Just watched his (0+ / 0-)

    performance on This Week and it was pitiful. He didn't explain the Medicare issue at all in any understandable way. He may be a good strategist but he needs to stay off the air. He is a terrible on air personality, he makes a terrible impression, he looks like he's swallowing cactuses the entire time he speaks and he can't get his points straight. Plouffes is much better. Cutter is erratic.

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 12:27:34 PM PDT

  •  They cut $500B in gov't waste. Isn't that good? (3+ / 0-)
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    FiredUpInCA, ferg, SoCalSal

    Supposedly the GOP is against gov't waste. When did that change?

    Is the sort of ways I'd reply.

  •  MediaMatters has a good response (0+ / 0-)

    The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

    by SoCalSal on Sun Aug 12, 2012 at 08:42:06 PM PDT

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