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Rebels have claimed to have captured the ejected pilot and say they will hold him in accordance with international law.

Syrian state media have confirmed the crash, but claimed it was due to "mechanical error."  Suuuuure.

The Syrian Air Force prior to the uprising had around 145 of these Mig-23s...a staple of ex-Soviet puppet regimes since the late 1960s. Maybe 80 to 100 were in working condition with Syria.  Among other countries still flying them are Cuba, Ethiopia, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, Yemen, Zimbabwe.

I know of at least one other Mig-23 that was destroyed by rebel forces a few months ago with an anti-tank missile while parked on on airfield.

Just a few days ago a tweep of mine with excellent sources inside Syria said that numerous teams of rebels had completed training on air defense systems including shoulder-fired missiles, and that this week specifically we'd start seeing Assad's helicopters and even Migs start to fall from the sky.

He was also quick to point out this morning that one Mig like this could be a fluke. The jet went down in Derr Ezzor which is a bit further away from the border than Aleppo.  I hear gunfire in that video but don't see/hear anything resembling a missile.  Though curious the cameraman only starts filming a few seconds before the jet catches fire.

Assad is now regularly employing fixed wing aircraft to attack targets inside cities.  Use of unguided munitions and gun runs.  Civilians have paid a heavy price.  So if the Syrian rebels have found a way to give those pilots second thoughts, make them fly a bit higher or abort their attacks altogether, I say Huzzah.

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  •  Tip Jar (8+ / 0-)

    Follow Me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/#!/ZeddRebel

    by TarantinoDork on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:03:45 AM PDT

  •  You say Huzzah, (0+ / 0-)

         they say Allah-o- Ackbar.

    The GOP ... Government of the 1%, by the 1%, for the 1%

    by Azazello on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:12:17 AM PDT

    •  Thats all they know how to say in those videos (0+ / 0-)

      Those guys are islamic fundamentalists crazies.  That what most of the Syrian rebels seem to be.   It seems hard to believe that if those guys take over power it would be better than the current regime.   They will be probably worse, creating another islamic fundamentalist state.    

  •  It was flying pretty low (3+ / 0-)
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    and there have been reports of the rebels having some zu-23's.  Pretty plausible that they shot it down.

    •  ... (0+ / 0-)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/...

      The ZU-23-2 "Sergey", also known as ZU-23, is a Soviet towed 23 mm anti-aircraft twin-barreled autocannon.

      "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

      by indycam on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:14:29 AM PDT

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    •  Rebels in Derr Ezzor are relatively well-armed (3+ / 0-)
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      Their location on the other side of the Euphrates has contributed to some quick and decisive gains against Assad forces.  The uprising there is relatively young but have already been bolstered by many defectors and heavy equipment including ZSU-23 guns.

      Still, a couple details in that vid suggest it could have been a missile.  The jet's engines are clearly what go, which is right where a heatseaker would have made contact.  Its a little blurry right before impact, and there's a trail behind the airplane right before the fire catches that MIGHT be result

      But low-flying Migs are vulnerable to ground fire like that.  I know of at least two downed fighter jets in Libya that met such a fate.  And the rebels claimed one of the pilots had Syrian ID papers...

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      by TarantinoDork on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:22:41 AM PDT

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      •  woot! Intel windfall! (0+ / 0-)

        Here's to hoping the rebels can a) sift through the wreckage and find useful bits & bobs, and b) use clever interrogation methods (no torture) to get more goodies.  

        BTW, what's a "tweep"?  Never heard that word before, and I should have if it was in use a few years ago.  

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:26:41 AM PDT

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        •  Tweep = Twitter + Peep (0+ / 0-)

          At least thats how I use it.

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          by TarantinoDork on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:32:23 AM PDT

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          •  great, now what's a Peep? (0+ / 0-)

            Time was, when Peeps were those little brightly-colored and overly-sweetened marshmallow things in the shape of birdies, sold in boxes of approx. 8 or so.  

            BTW, I'm sure you know the story about Twitter during the stolen Iranian election a few years ago?  State Dep't. called up Twitter and asked them to please not shut down for nightly maintenance for the duration, because Twitter was battlefront telegraph for the Iranian dissidents, and a major intel source for us.  Thereby proving my point that Twitter is basically a collector.  Further proved by someone I know who wrote some software for that purpose.  

            There's a bunch of other stuff about messaging into & out of Iran during that time, that involve some exciting stories and can't be discussed in public places due to "sources & methods" issues.  

            "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

            by G2geek on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 02:40:27 AM PDT

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        •  Tweeps (0+ / 0-)

          are the people that follow you on twitter.
          Twitter + People (peeps).
          In the singular usage, a tweep is a n00b to twitter.


          "When the powerless are shut out of the media, we will make the media irrelevant" ~♥~ Anonymous ~♥~

          by Lisa Lockwood on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 05:08:12 PM PDT

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      •  I suspect a heavy mg got it (0+ / 0-)

        The plane was flying so low that I don't see an AA gun keeping up with the necessary deflection at the range involved with an inexperienced crew.  

        Gunnery will usually down jets by hits in the engine or the fuel tanks simply because those make up the bulk of the plane's vulnerable surface area and volume.

        •  FSA is crediting a ZSU-23 gunner (1+ / 0-)
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          Looks like a ZSU-23-2 mounted on a 'technical' vehicle.

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          by TarantinoDork on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 10:35:57 AM PDT

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        •  The plane could have been taking off or (0+ / 0-)

          landing at the Al Jafrah Airport/Airbase (35°16'53.65"N 40°11'27.21"E) just southeast of Deir az-Zor.

          Would that make a difference?

          Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

          by InAntalya on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 10:59:26 AM PDT

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          •  Possible (1+ / 0-)
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            Rebels in the area say the pilot tried to get altitude prior to ejecting so he could parachute safely to a nearby airbase.

            On a related point. At the sole remaining Assad airfield between Aleppo and the Turkish border, the NYT's CJ Chivers tweeted this morning that only a single helicopter is flying in and out of there at any one time.  Not long ago it was staging area for upwards of 20 choppers.

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            by TarantinoDork on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 11:59:57 AM PDT

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            •  Since Deir ez-Zor is so far from everywhere (0+ / 0-)

              else in Syria (300 km or so of desert) and that Al-Hasakah, to the north, and Ar-Raqqah, to the northwest, are quite quiet it makes sense that having a lot of aircraft in Deir ez-Zor would not be a high priority now for the Syrian military.

              I have heard that the airbase in Deir ez-Zor was primarily there to patrol the Syrian-Iraqi border and that also right now is probably not a high priority.

              Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

              by InAntalya on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 12:30:10 PM PDT

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            •  Sorry I misunderstood your comment. (0+ / 0-)

              I think the base you are talking about is the one south of Azaz and I don't have any new news about it. I'll see if I can find out anything.

              That airbase is right on the edge of the areas controlled by the Kurds - the Afrin District and western parts of the Azaz District. That might have something to do with it.

              Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

              by InAntalya on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 12:38:02 PM PDT

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    •  A Lucky Rifle Bullet Can Do The Trick (0+ / 0-)

      That's why infantry manuals include instructions on how to shoot at low flying aircraft.   if it were useless, they would not encourage the troops to waste ammo.

      There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

      by bernardpliers on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:37:35 AM PDT

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  •  "mechanical error." due to hot lead impact/s ? (0+ / 0-)

    "Drop the name-calling." Meteor Blades 2/4/11

    by indycam on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:17:28 AM PDT

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