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Are Ryan's hands bloodied, too?
Mitt Romney has just one answer to the big elephant in the room that's keeping Paul Ryan out of Florida. Ending Medicare as we know it? Yeah, well, Obamacare!!!! The least subtle attack came from Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus.
“This president stole — he didn’t cut Medicare — he stole $700 billion from Medicare to fund Obamacare, [...] If any person in this entire debate has blood on their hands in regard to Medicare, it’s Barack Obama. He’s the one that’s destroying Medicare.”
And here's Romney himself, Ryan-less, in Florida.
"The president's idea for instance for Medicare was to cut it by 700 billion dollars," Romney continued. "That's not the right answer. We want to make sure we preserve and protect Medicare."
It's not new. He's been telling this lie for months. It's always been a lie. There aren't Medicare benefits cuts in the Affordable Care Act. No senior has been bloodied by any of those cuts, and no senior will be.

But here's the really awkward part of this for Romney and Ryan: the Ryan budget has exactly the same cuts to Medicare as Obamacare. That's one of they ways Ryan figured out to control Medicare costs, steal from Obama. And almost every Republican in the House voted for it. Twice. Republicans in the Senate did it, too.

Shameless. If Romney hates Obama's Medicare cuts so much, why did he pick the guy who got all House Republicans to support them?

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:34 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Medicare Advantage (26+ / 0-)

    totally private insurance was cut because the claims numbers proved the insurance companies were receiving outsized reimbursements that was cutting into the funds for paying for real care.   Insurance company profits were cut out, not medical care for seniors.  Medicare Advantage is still providing services, nothing is lost to the seniors.

    The Fox News crews will keep the lie going.  Everyone else has debunked it.

    Oh, and donut hole is closing saving several hundred dollars and more for many seniors this year alone on drug costs under Medicare Part D.  It made a difference to my mom.  Since Romney doesn't know a donut when he sees one, this probably escaped him entirely as opposed to being another of his lies.

  •  at Rmoney rally in St. Augustine FL today... (9+ / 0-)
    We're here to encourage the voters to call Obama out for the communist that he is," said party Tea Party chairman Dave Heimbold. "We just want the public to be aware of our standpoint."
    http://staugustine.com/...

    Rmoney cancelled Orlando rally - said he was "too tired."

    "Tax cuts for the 1% create jobs." -- Republicans, HAHAHA - in China

    by MartyM on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:47:05 AM PDT

    •  Is that what he'd say when that 3 AM call (9+ / 0-)

      comes in?  Just wondering.  Roll over and go back to sleep, Mitt.  We'll do better without you.

      Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

      by judyms9 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:17:02 AM PDT

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    •  Yeah well I heard Romney deliver that line . . . (2+ / 0-)
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      about Obama cutting $700 billion from Medicare on National Pubic Radio and it got thunderous applause. And that's how it works -- people will hear him say it on the radio, and watch him say it on TV, and Paul Krugman will correct it in a NYT op-ed column.

      He lies because it works. There is no penalty for lying.

      •  Don't confuse the audience reaction at the event (0+ / 0-)

        among self-selected True Believers with the real reaction in the country. Romney has been losing ground steadily in the battlegrounds states, due both to the Obama and SuperPac campaign ads, and to his own statements and actions. Ryan is already speeding up the Romney slide, much as Palin did to McCain after the brief convention bump.

        Hey, Mitt! Thanks for ObamneyCare. http://www.healthcare.gov

        by Mokurai on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 01:50:17 PM PDT

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    •  I hope America rolls it's eyes at (2+ / 0-)
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      Commie Scare Porn nowadays. That shit was played out before I was born. It just sounds silly now that there are no Russians in a standoff with us anymore.

      "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

      by GenXangster on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:32:34 AM PDT

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  •  Look, preparing a budget (a plan) and (11+ / 0-)

    passing bills that actually appropriate the funds are congressional obligations.  So, Ryan is to be commended for having drawn up a budget.  Unfortunately, he couldn't get support in the Senate and the President declared that, if it got to his desk, he'd have to veto it because it wouldn't work.

    So, Ryan drew up a budget, with the help of his committee staff, but it wasn't acceptable or workable.  It's sort of like cobbling together a car for the soap box derby and then being told it doesn't meet the specs. What are you going to do? Take over the derby so you can change the rules?

    The Congress is tasked with promoting the general welfare by managing the currency and the assets (natural and man-made) of the US.  Nowhere does it say that the Congress is supposed to manage the citizenry, much less "remaking" the country. Willard and Paul seem well matched in that both are suffering from delusions of grandeur.

    Willard's forte = "catch 'n' cage". He's not into "catch and release."

    by hannah on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:47:05 AM PDT

  •  Paul Ryan, Starchitect (13+ / 0-)

    "And almost every Republican in the House voted for it. Twice. Republicans in the Senate did it, too."

    Exactly.

    I think this has been overlooked by everyone, not just the MSM but bloggers and commenters too, who are focusing only on Ryan, and describing, eviscerating, etc. "The Ryan Budget."

    It's not the Ryan budget anymore. It's the GOP Budget. It's the Republican Economic Blueprint. And Paul Ryan was its Architect.

    If Romney just hired the architect, who was commissioned by the entire Republican Party, why should anyone believe he's not going to start building their dream house on Day One?

  •  The Medicare Advantage argument is an (9+ / 0-)

    example of a half truth.  How a half truth works is probably worth explaining because it's actually worse than an outright lie.  Lies can be refuted.  Also, a falsehood may be unintentional, the result of poor memory or mistaken information.  A half truth is hard to refute because, as far as it goes, it is true, but the thing left out, the other half, usually invalidates the first part. Leaving things out is intentional.  So, a half-truth is designed to deceive.  Worse than a lie.
    Sociopaths and used car dealers thrive on them.  Compare a car dealer telling a prospective buyer that the odometer reads 74,000 miles, but doesn't tell him that the odometer only registers five digits and the real mileage is 174,000.  Half truths are designed to deceive.  Unfortunately, because people don't like to be fooled, they have a tendency to blame themselves.

    Willard's forte = "catch 'n' cage". He's not into "catch and release."

    by hannah on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:59:35 AM PDT

  •  Paul Ryan is not Mitt Romney's Sarah Palin... (13+ / 0-)

    Mitt Romney is Mitt Romney's Sarah Palin.  

    The more you learn the less you know.

    by quiet in NC on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 08:59:46 AM PDT

  •  This is an easy argument to counter. Obama (7+ / 0-)

    has to counter it.  I know it has only been a day since this attack was launched, but we need to be out there on this.  What we cut was Bush's prescription drug boondoggle and are giving rebates to seniors as a result.  

    Alternative rock with something to say: http://www.myspace.com/globalshakedown

    by khyber900 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:02:46 AM PDT

  •  HAWWWW!! Can't wait for the ad that covers this (3+ / 0-)
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    one!

    Because stupid people are so sure they're smart, they often act smart, and sometimes even smart people are too stupid to recognize that the stupid people acting smart really ARE stupid.

    by ZedMont on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:03:28 AM PDT

  •  Reince Preibus has got to cut down on the caffeine (7+ / 0-)

    He's getting more and more hysterical with every public appearance.

  •  And no one in the liberal media asked (9+ / 0-)

    about this right? A very simple question. If the cuts are so bad, why do you maintain them in your budget?

  •  Fine, but ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Even if our lousy TV arguers make this point, where's the advantage, no wordplay intended?  It puts us on the same level as them: 'cutting' from wherever.  

    Then the debate shifts to who can better 'save' Medicare.  

    One would hope even our sad-sack spokespeople can drive that one home.  But I'm not betting on it.  In a related note: keep Axelrod off the damned television.

  •  I hate these fucking people (1+ / 0-)
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    more than I hate Islamist terrorists.  I mean these Republican fucknuggets are right in front of my face wrecking my country...the Islamist terrorists are 10000 miles away getting droned by Obama and effectively neutered.

    FUCK OFF GOP.  I FUCKING HATE YOU.  LYING ANTI AMERICAN FILTH!

    I treat Republicans like Sherman treated Atlanta.

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:07:07 AM PDT

  •  No BENEFIT cuts: same guaranteed care, $700M less. (10+ / 0-)

    It's a total win.

    Rs are so deranged by Obama that they are calling for a program that will raise the total cost of care while shifiting it onto seniors in a lose lose

    "My taxes are of the legally correct height, and the core reason for my campaign is to make them a different, lower height, and it is none of your business what precisely either of those heights might be." Mitt, as channelled by Hunter.

    by Inland on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:07:46 AM PDT

    •  If I didn't know better ... (2+ / 0-)
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      ... I'd think Mittens is a Democratic mole.

      "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

      by JBL55 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:18:10 AM PDT

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    •  Thanks For the Awesome Talking Points (1+ / 0-)
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      Keeping it simple is key to any casual conversation and your:

      No benefit cuts. Same guaranteed care. $700B less.
      is a winner!

      Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

      by howd on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:33:32 AM PDT

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  •  Ryan. Rombot. What's The difference? (7+ / 0-)

    Let's take a closer look at Paul 'Eddie Munster' Ryan and his heart-warming tale of self-reliance and his journey from a log-cabin to Washington.

    Mr. "Self-Reliant" went to college on social security's dime; and he is a very wealthy man, as is his wife. Ryan's wealth is in the form of trusts and inheritances (hint: he didn't earn any of it). According to his financial disclosures:

    Ryan reported two tax-deferred college savings plans, with a combined value of between $150,000 and $300,000. He also reported two investment partnerships worth, in total, between $350,000 and $750,000, mostly containing shares of stock in various companies, including Apple, Goodrich, Kraft Foods, Visa and Whole Foods. Both partnerships were formed by Ryan and other family members to manage assets left by his grandparents and an aunt.

    Mrs. Ryan has reported receiving a trust after her mother died in 2010, valued between $1 million and $5 million. Mrs. Ryan also has longstanding interests in several mining and oil exploration investments in Oklahoma and Texas managed by her father, Dan Little, a lawyer in Oklahoma whose clients include oil and gas companies. Those investments generated as much as $150,000 in income last year.

    And Medicare and Medicaid? Pah! Who needs 'em? Not Lyin' Ryan and his family. He has a congressman's gold-plated, comprehensive health insurance.

    This creep's a perfect match for The Mittsack: another rich, callous, dishonest asshole.

  •  Maybe someone can clairify this for me (4+ / 0-)
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    The diary says there are no Medicare benefit cuts in the ACA but then goes on to say that the Ryan buget has the exactly the same cuts to Medicare as the ACA.

    So are there Medicare cuts in the ACA or are there no Medicare cuts in the Ryan buget or what?  

    Please help.

    "A different world cannot be built by indifferent people." Anon from a fortune cookie I got.

    by coloradocomet on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:09:38 AM PDT

    •  That one had my head spinning, too. I'm hoping (3+ / 0-)
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      the author will see your comment and rewrite that portion.  

      "If you trust you are not critical; if you are critical you do not trust" by our own Dauphin

      by gustynpip on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:16:05 AM PDT

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      •  Not Completely Sure ... (1+ / 0-)
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        ... but what I take it to mean is that Ryan's plan would provide vouchers (privatize) which would increase costs for seniors by shifting costs to the seniors. However, Ryan's plan would also use Obama's plans to reduce the overall cost of Medicare to the government by cutting the money they pay to the health care providers and insurance companies.  

        Poor man wants to be rich. Rich man wants to king. And the king ain't satisifed until he rules everything. B.Springsteen

        by howd on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:44:08 AM PDT

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    •  Seconded (3+ / 0-)
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      This has me confused as well

      Believe those who seek the truth, doubt those who find it

      by browneverywhere on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:17:57 AM PDT

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    •  Both plans claim the same $700B savings (3+ / 0-)
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      but how they get to that number is different. The ACA takes the Medicare money that was going to private insurance industry to subsidize Medicare Advantage programs which cost more for the consumer than Medicare without the middle man ( go figure ) and is funneling that money into closing the Medicare D doughnut hole and to impliment ACA preventitive care to cut the overall longterm costs to Medicare recipients thus shoring up Medicare.
      The Ryan plan saves the same ammount of money by turning Medicare for people 55 and younger into a voucher program that will cost the recipients an extra $6,000 a year in co-pays and force you to buy private insurance and by reducing Medicaid to a block grant sham

      "I don’t know why, but Mitt Romney has gotten this reputation as a guy who can't identify with the common man, no matter how hard he fires them." ---Stephen Colbert

      by Amayupta yo on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:30:33 AM PDT

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    •  is a misconception of what the words (3+ / 0-)
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      "cuts to Medicare" actually mean.

      In this case, the PPACA AND the Ryan Budget Plan include about 500 billion in cuts to Medicare - specifically, cutting the payments to insurers for Medicare Advantage plans.

      These plans (Medicare Advantage) allow insurers to subsume a person's Medicare benefits, then add some stuff to it.

      The catch is, the "stuff" they add to the basic Medicare plan is all available as secondary insurance plans - but this way, the insurer gets to bill Medicare for the extra costs, and on the average, that 'extra' bill comes to about $1000 per person on the plan, per year.

      So these cuts were directly to the insurers (not beneficiaries), they were to stop gauging by the insurers, and they DO NOT affect standard, basic Medicare benefits or Beneficiaries at all.

      Hope that explains it better for you.

      :)

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      by Angie in WA State on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:33:15 AM PDT

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  •  this is clearly their plan (5+ / 0-)

    lie enough so that folks are confused about who is actually trying to end medicare and who is trying to preserve it. sadly, they just might get away with it.

  •  I Think You Are Making this More Confusing (7+ / 0-)

    because you are equating the Ryan cuts with the Obama cuts. They are not equal. The Ryan cuts actually affect the Seniors and the Obama cuts affect providers. Each very different. Do not equate the two.

    •  Bingo. I wrote a comment (1+ / 0-)
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      below asking for clarification because these two statements in Joan's article seemed contradictory;

      There aren't Medicare benefits cuts in the Affordable Care Act. No senior has been bloodied by any of those cuts, and no senior will be.
      It seemed as if Joan was saying they were the same kinds of cuts...? I wasn't sure.

      "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

      by GenXangster on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:25:38 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)
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      They are using that bright shiny object to bring about confusion, projection and distraction.  Providers are different than receipents.

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      by Vetwife on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:27:25 AM PDT

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  •  Ryan = a Palin smarter than a 5th grader (3+ / 0-)
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    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:13:26 AM PDT

    •  Mr. Hearthrob reminds me of Huntz Hall but (2+ / 0-)
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      without the charisma.

      Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

      by judyms9 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:27:46 AM PDT

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      •  Hall was clever, Ryan not so much /nt (0+ / 0-)

        Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

        by annieli on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:34:58 AM PDT

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  •  I was in a bar watching Rmoney/Ryan on 60 min.... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...and I was arguing with 2 Repugs.

    They love these guys.

    They went even beyond my expectations. No voting for you if you don't pay income tax, Rmoney is rich and he should not pay a penny more in taxes, we have the best healthcare system in the world we don't need Obamacare, we need to spend even more in defense, Obama is destroying America.

    Needless to say we didn't come to any agreement.

    But right now these Orange County Repugs are firmly behind these guys.  I believe Romney will get a bump.  

    And it has been Repugs who start the discussions about the elections and politics.  This also happened to me in Washington DC in yet another bar near the WH last week.

    The Repugs at the street level are on the offensive.

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    by Shockwave on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:13:51 AM PDT

    •  The base likes Ryan , that is true but the (1+ / 0-)
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      questions remains will independents like Ryan?  Will this energize Democrats to GOTV and have success getting people to the polls?  It all depends on who will get their base out to vote and who the Independents will choose to support and vote for.

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      by wishingwell on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:34:43 AM PDT

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  •  "F*ing RW social engineering" /nt (1+ / 0-)
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    Präsidentenelf-maßschach"Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) "Ensanguining the skies...Falls the remorseful day".政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:18:26 AM PDT

  •  This would make a good SNL skit. (0+ / 0-)

    Romney makes grandiose statements against Obama, and Ryan keeps nudging him, "wait, don't say that, that's in our plan."

    -We need Healthcare Reform... but i'm selfish, I Need Healthcare reform-

    by JPax on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:21:03 AM PDT

  •  Clarify thiis for me, Joan, (0+ / 0-)
    There aren't Medicare benefits cuts in the Affordable Care Act. No senior has been bloodied by any of those cuts, and no senior will be.
    These two statements seem contradictory. Otherwise, good report.

    "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

    by GenXangster on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:21:49 AM PDT

    •  I think ACA gets rid of medicare waste and no (1+ / 0-)
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      senior loses anything but it pertains more to the providers and insurance companies..I think ?

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      by wishingwell on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:35:44 AM PDT

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      •  I think you're right. (0+ / 0-)

        I've been reading some comments upthread and that's what seems to be the general clarifying answer to satisfy the confused who weren't really sure about the finer details of both plan's cuts.

        "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

        by GenXangster on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:59:24 AM PDT

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  •  It would be very helpful if the Democrats, (3+ / 0-)
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    including the President, would say what is being cut from Medicare in that 700 billion....

    for instance, about 500 of that 700, to my knowledge, is cuts to the Medicare Advantage program.

    Which is a Medicare Plus program, allowing insurance companies to subsume a beneficiary's standard Medicare insurance, and then add other things to it (additional benefits is what the insurance companies like to call it), like membership at a local health club or vision benefits or dental benefits.

    My own mother is on a Medicare Advantage program through Kaiser Permanente, here in WA State. She loves it.

    But it costs the Taxpayers an average of $1000 per Medicare beneficiary, in payments to the insurance company, per year, for these Medicare Advantage plans.

    If the insurer wants to offer more benefits than standard Medicare, then let them. But the Medicare Trust Fund should not be picking up the cost.

    Thus the 500 reduction in costs to Medicare - but only in reduced payments to insurers, not in any reduction in standard Medicare to beneficiaries.

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    by Angie in WA State on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:22:45 AM PDT

    •  That's right. Think of it as the (1+ / 0-)
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      banks getting their cut to fund student loans.  By taking that subsidy away from the banks, the Feds saved a bunch on $$ and more students could get loans.

    •  Cuts will get passed through. (0+ / 0-)

      If your mother's insurance provider suddenly loses a $1000 subsidy, you can expect them to raise her costs to cover that loss.

      •  No, the cuts occured last year, when the first of (0+ / 0-)

        the PPACA went into effect, and her Kaiser Medicare Advantage premium went down this year.

        They didn't get rid of the Medicare Advantage program, they (Medicare) merely stopped making extra payments to insurers who offered these programs.

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        by Angie in WA State on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 12:50:08 PM PDT

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  •  Romney hates Obama's Medicare savings (0+ / 0-)

    and loves Ryan's Medicare cuts for reasons that are 100% black and white.

  •  Romney has flat out lied everyday of (2+ / 0-)
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    This campaign. Nothing will change.

  •  If I lied like this in my job (2+ / 0-)
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    I'd be thrown in jail for contempt and probably disbarred.

    I treat Republicans like Sherman treated Atlanta.

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:23:51 AM PDT

  •  Mitt's lies are so atrocious (2+ / 0-)
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    I don't like feeling hatred for anyone, but really this Romney guy is such a liar. Whatever happened to "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor?" This man is vile.

    the Republican brand is totally bankrupt.

    by vlyons on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:24:50 AM PDT

  •  Ryan goes full Ayn Rand in Florida (1+ / 0-)
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    "We don't want to turn the safety net into a hammock that lulls able-bodied people into lives of dependency and complacency, that drains them of their will and their incentive to make the most of their lives," Ryan said at the time."

    http://money.cnn.com/...

    Calling Medicaid a "safety net" program is not going to win much favor with older Americans who have been paying into the system their entire lives.

    The GOP austerity "punish the poor and elcerly" budget is going to be very unpopular.

    "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

    by greendem on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:27:44 AM PDT

  •  Wake up DNC (1+ / 0-)
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    This was the lie that swung the 2010 election and created a the Tea Party House.

    The DNC did not call them on it then.  The DNC let the corporate media get away with pushing it.   Is the DNC going to blow the downticket this year because they are too afraid to speak out?

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:28:44 AM PDT

  •  "The Path to Prosperity" (2+ / 0-)
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    judyms9, GreyHawk

    is glossy, looks about 3 pages long, and suggests we do more of the exact same things that brought on the Great Recession.  

    We TRIED that.  Do we feel more prosperous?  

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:28:46 AM PDT

  •  Beware the Rovian Attack Line, peoples (0+ / 0-)

    It's the essential aspect of Swiftboating: attack somebody on your weakness and their strength by repeating a simple lie, over and over and over and over again.

    Some people are intolerant, and I CAN'T STAND people like that. -- Tom Lehrer

    by TheCrank on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:30:16 AM PDT

  •  This is bugging me (0+ / 0-)

    So what are the counter arguments? This guy seems to think the Ryan pick was a good one, and I don't think he's coming from a conservative point of view:

  •  Actually, same $ amount, but not the same cuts. (0+ / 0-)

    Obama's cuts target hospitals, drug companies, etc.

    Ryan's cuts target benefits.

    Be careful to lay that out clearly...it's important.

    •  To repeat from way earlier above, (0+ / 0-)

      (hat-tip nanorich's comment for getting there first)

      The TPM piece makes it clear that while both plans cut $700b from Medicare, Obama's cuts target "reduced payments to hospitals, discounts on Medicaid prescription drugs, and pay cuts to private insurers under Medicare Advantage. The hospital and drug industries endorsed the law despite the cuts" while Ryan's target benefits & beneficiaries: "rolls back the coverage guarantee for the elderly. In 10 years, the program would be replaced with a subsidy that beneficiaries can use to purchase insurance from a menu of private plans and a government option. CBO projects that in some cases, the subsidy won’t be sufficient to cover seniors’ medical expenses."

  •  That Rombot Defense In Full: (0+ / 0-)

    We're making Medicare better--but hey! Don't freak out, you seniors:  we aren't making it better for you! Just for those other saps.

  •  We agree with Ryan that the safety net (0+ / 0-)

    should not become a hammock and that Americans should make the most of their lives, but taking away food, education and health care from children, the disable and seniors is not the path to self-actualization.  Ryan seems to believe in that Randian invincibility that denies the possibilities of strokes, aneurisms, and auto accidents.  The GOP calls it courageous and bold; I call it reckless and dangerous.

    Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

    by judyms9 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:34:43 AM PDT

  •  It is ESSENTIAL that the Dems make it very (0+ / 0-)

    clear to all and sundry that the cuts that both Ryan and POTUS are getting to are different in nature.This isn't just semantics; this is primary in the argument.

    Ryan's cuts come on the beneficiary end;
    the WH's cuts come on the provider end.

    All morning long every GOP talking head has been saying that the ACA have these cuts to Medicare and so far, no one seems to be countering this.

  •  Here We Go Again..... (0+ / 0-)

    The cuts are from Medicare Advantage.  It is a private insurance company, it is optional.  The federal government pays an extra $1400.00 for each Medicare recipient who choose this private, optional program.

    It is wasteful, it is spendy......an optional choice.  The same cuts are in Paul Ryan's plan.  Paul Ryan has embraced the same cuts to Medicare Advantage.

    Reince Prebus, the RNC chair, is now saying "Obama has blood on his hands" because of these cuts.  Doesn't that mean the same blood should be dripping from Paul Ryan & Mitt Romney's hands?

  •  ryan's dual campaigns (0+ / 0-)

    is ryan-the-congressman running a campaign based on his budget ideas while simultaneously running on whatever mitt plans on telling him the plan is once they're elected? i'd pay to hear someone ask him at a pres-campaign stop "congressman ryan, as one of your local constituents from back home, I want to ask if you'll still be the congressman we've been electing vis-a-vis your budget ideas and policies if, god forbid, you do not win the vice presidency? i fear we will get mitt romney as our congressman. which man are you, sir?"

    If only Michael Phelps hadn't smoked that pot...imagine what he could have accomplished with motivation and good lung capacity.

    by papa monzano on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 09:48:34 AM PDT

  •  FYI New USA Today/Gallup Polling (0+ / 0-)

    taken since the Paul Ryan VP pick has Ryan receiving low marks...

    http://content.usatoday.com/...

  •  Ryan is truly a Palinesque choice... (0+ / 0-)

    i give it an 87% on the Palin-o-meter, because of gender and eyeglass differences.

    "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." -- Hubert H. Humphrey

    by Candide08 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 10:39:03 AM PDT

  •  Robert Reich just now says (0+ / 0-)

    ".....if you're 40 years old right now, there's NO WAY you're going to get Medicare under the Romney/Ryan plan."

    Everybody got to elevate from the norm....

    by Icicle68 on Mon Aug 13, 2012 at 04:24:17 PM PDT

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