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Election 2012: the dueling Romney in eastern Ohio:

Romney, campaigning in coal-rich eastern Ohio, said Obama was misleading Ohio voters by claiming new jobs in coal producing regions. He also promised to make the U.S. independent from Venezuelan and Middle Eastern oil.

"By the end of my second term, I'll make this commitment: We will have American, we will have North American energy independence," Romney said at a coal mine in Beallsville. "We won't have to buy oil from Venezuela and the Middle East. We're going to be independent."

Standing not far from a bulldozer filled with coal and decorated with a sign that read, "Coal Country Stands With Mitt," Romney accused Obama of lying to voters in this coal-rich region.

"He (Obama) talks about how wonderful it is and how we're adding jobs in the coal industry and adding more coal," Romney said. "I thought, you know, how in the world can you go out there and just tell people things that aren't true. This is a time for truth. If you don't believe in coal, if you don't believe in energy independence, then say it."

Yeah, Mittzer.

So you really stand with coalminers, do you?

Where are you on mine safety?

Where are you on collective bargaining for miners?

How's about Arsenic?

Mercury?

Carbon monoxide?

Carbon dioxide?

Nitrogen oxide?

Sulfur dioxide?

Hydrocarbons and stuff?

How's about the general efficiency of coal-burning plants:

A lot of the heat created by burning coal is lost to the atmosphere. Only 30 to 35 percent of the heat produced by burning coal becomes "energy".

That means that 65 to 70% of what is mined is for nothing.

Jeepers! And what about Toxic Coal Sludge Spills:
TVA Kingston fossil plant released more than a billion gallons of toxic coal sludge when a retention pond crumbled outside of this Tennessee Coal Burning Power Plant. The Tennessee River -main water supply- is downstream. Very high arsenic levels would later be found by the EPA.

About 400 acres of land was coated by this sludge.

Final Note:
"Alternative Energy guru Amory Lovins estimates that by the time you mine the coal, haul it to the power plant, burn it, and then send the electricity out over the wires to the incandescent bulb in your home, only about 3 percent of the energy contained in a ton of coal is transformed into light."
Thanks! Squidoo!
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  •  I would like to ask Mitt about his lies (3+ / 0-)
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    JeffW, maybeeso in michigan, Sue B

    how can you just go out there and say America will not be buying foreign oil in eight years?  Forget that coal is dirty, costs the taxpayers billions in health and pollution problems, forget that fracking wastes billions of gallons of water, threatens drinking water, probably causes earthquakes and also doesn't produce much net energy.

    Just tell me where the oil is going to come from?  We don't have enough oil left in the US regardless of what we drill.  We are drilling more now than and still have to buy foreign oil.    So Where is this independence coming from?  You don't believe in alternatives such as solar or wind.  Conversion of coal to liquid fuels is incredibly wasteful and dirty.   Where's the fuel Mittens?Time for the truth, now.

    •  it will come from magic unicorns (2+ / 0-)
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      jfromga, maybeeso in michigan

      and when they're too old to milk, they can be used in dressage

    •  jfomga, tar sands in Canada, domestic fracking (1+ / 0-)
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      jfromga

      and additional offshore and wilderness oil drilling, more coal and a few alternatives, are likely a big part of Mitt's plan.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 02:38:40 PM PDT

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      •  yeah, but with something (0+ / 0-)

        like 3% of reserves, huge areas leased out but not yet affordable to drill in the US, a world oil market where the oil companies want to maximize profit, how does Mitt keep the oil at home, increase production sufficiently, and outbid the Chinese for the tar sands oil? What will his plan do to prices for fuel?

        I still smell whoppers.  

        •  jf - I am just speculating (0+ / 0-)

          but we are the only country in the world who does not explore and develop known oil reserves.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 02:54:18 PM PDT

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          •  you're just sounding (0+ / 0-)

            like a right wing talking point.

            We have mapping of all sorts of reserves, and many have had test wells, a few areas,  deemed too hazardous with current technology haven't been tapped.

            We have less controls than many other industrialized countries for safety as we all found out when the Horizon blew up, and we have few ways to control an out of control well in deep water.   The scientists all point out that arctic drilling is even more challenging.

            Many know oil reserves have existing leases, the oil companies determine when to drill.  They continually want more leases though not drilling on the leases they already have.  It is about controlling market share and pricing to them, not about getting the US oil.

            And you still haven't responded to the point that it is a world oil market,   prices are affected by buyers all over the world, and oil drilled in the US doesn't necessarily turn into fuel sold in the US but can go elsewhere.

            •  jf - there is no doubt that oil is a world market (1+ / 0-)
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              jfromga

              New supply anywhere puts downward pressure on prices, but as you note these are world markets. Oil drilled in the US should be sold to whoever is willing to buy it at the highest price, just like oil drilled in the rest of the free world. But I don't think that Romney was talking about price, he was speaking about making the US independent of middle east and South American oil. I think it would be nearly impossible to wean the US off of middle east and South American oil in the next ten years, even if we made a big commitment to alternatives (which Romney would never do).

              "let's talk about that"

              by VClib on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 03:10:16 PM PDT

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              •  but we can't be free of oil sold anywhere (0+ / 0-)

                if its a world market.  We would have to refuse to sell on the market (nationalize oil holdings, restrict US oil to US refineries and sale? Something) to not be dependent on foreign oil as long as we are using oil.  

                If there is a disruption in Middle Eastern production and China and India want oil, and are willing to pay, even if we are producing enough domestically to meet domestic needs, it doesn't all stay in America under current private ownership/markets.

                Mitt's promise is a lie,  and he knows it.   Why he even brings up the subject of lying, I'll never know, unless he truly is whacked enough to believe he isn't lying.

                •  jf - politicians in both parties (0+ / 0-)

                  have talked about energy independence since the oil shocks of the 1970s. The Dems use "energy independence" to push for subsidies for alternatives. A goal of obtaining all of our energy from North American sources is admirable regardless of the political party, understanding that emergencies would require purchases from other markets.  

                  "let's talk about that"

                  by VClib on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 03:24:52 PM PDT

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                  •  wind and solar (0+ / 0-)

                    are pretty much local at this point,  we can't buy them from a different geographic location.   So if in fact we could produce sufficient energy from those sources, independence is in fact possible because we won't buy Iranian sunlight and ship it here.

                    However, in the near term alternatives aren't a real alternative, so that isn't the basis for Mitt's claim.  Obama keeps talking about an all of the above approach with more emphasis on alternatives, but not only alternatives.

                    Again,  if you want the US to use oil, there can be no independence.  So is Mitt lying, does he own the patent on a new technology or are you just suggesting we should give him a pass because energy independence is always stated as a goal but nobody means it?

  •  Karen Hedwig Backman - is the reverse true? (1+ / 0-)
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    maybeeso in michigan

    Can you be FOR coal miners and against coal mining?

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Tue Aug 14, 2012 at 02:40:11 PM PDT

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