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A brilliant comment posted earlier should not go unnoticed.


This is how Team Obama reverses the tide on the Medicare claims from Romney / Ryan.  Pin it on them -- they don't have a solid alternative to offer about HOW they make Medicare solvent.


And they better get to it quick... if Dems rest on the "conventional wisdom" that the electorate will not believe that Republicans can save Medicare when Dems can't, we're going to find out how unrestricted spending by SuperPACs can manufacture just about anything in the minds of swing voters.  Team Obama did not win the news cycle this week on this issue, and is playing defense on the Sunday talk shows.

They need an alternative crisp message to pin back on the other side and get back on the offensive.


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  •  They would have to get defensive quick. (3+ / 0-)
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    drmah, sebastianguy99, phonegery

    It is a soundbite that would carry.

    It would keep them having to explain away what they really plan for Medicare.

    Another flaw in the human character is that everybody wants to build and nobody wants to do maintenance. Kurt Vonnegut Economic Left/Right: -7.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.10

    by ToKnowWhy on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 09:47:50 PM PDT

  •  Democrats need to define what Voucher means. (3+ / 0-)
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    sebastianguy99, notrouble, deepeco

    Romney has already said he doesn't give details, Dems chould control the narrative on this.

  •  I like this one a little better... (8+ / 0-)

    How about Couponcare...a more simple meme?

  •  They Lost This Fight In 2010. I Don't Expect Them (1+ / 0-)
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    to put much into it this time, it's too well established by the Republicans.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 10:03:24 PM PDT

  •  COUPONcare! (11+ / 0-)

    Why does it always seem like we take a perfectly good attack and either pick the wrong word or expand into a longer ambiguous phrase.

    Vouchercare,  NO, say Couponcare.  Vouchers assume that it covers 100% of the cost.  Coupons suggest a discount.

    "End Medicare as we know it"  NO, just say "end Medicare"  The GOP has been very vocal about abolishing Medicare as the end goal.  Why do we think of this in such short terms.  Romney/Ryan want to End Medicare.  Their plan will keep it alive for certain individuals, but make no mistake, when they've separated your class from everyone else, you're the next to lose it.

    The GOP is really good at this messaging stuff it just seems like democrats like to over think the messaging.

    •  I agree. I think the choice of the word (2+ / 0-)
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      "voucher" was intentional by Republicans ... Seniors love their discount coupons, but a "coupon" does imply that you have to pay the difference. Vouchers do sound a lot like it will cover the entire cost, and Republicans intentionally don't emphasize the fact that if the voucher doesn't cover the entire premium for "private" insurance, the senior citizens have to pay the difference.

      Another thing that isn't emphasized is that private insurance has to make a profit. Currently, thanks to Obamacare, that is limited to 15% on group plans and 20% on individual plans. Who knows how wild companies would get with premiums if Republicans were able to repeal Obamacare. But one thing is certain, there's no way insurance companies can or would be willing to deliver coverage at the same 2%-3% overhead rate that Medicare currently delivers it.

      For me, Mitt reminds me of Jeff Bridges in Starman. He's like an alien that hasn't read the entire manual. You know, he's going, "Nice to be in a place where the trees are the right size. -- Robin Williams on Letterman 26 Apr 2012

      by hungrycoyote on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 11:45:25 PM PDT

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  •  This is a comment that was on another thread. (0+ / 0-)

    It's a great explanation of the Medicare savings.


    I totally agree. I'm worried at how often their (2+ / 0-)

    lying ads are playing over and over again, and judging from some of my relatives and Facebook, they seem to be working for now. And the MSM is useless.

    One analogy I've used to dispel the Medicare lie with family, friends, and on Facebook with great results so far is this:

     "If my husband had been spending an average of $1,000 a month on groceries, but then started using the sale flyers and coupons to buy the same groceries for $800, how would you describe the difference? Did he "steal" $200 from our grocery budget? Or did he "save" $200? Now you can see how idiotic the Romney/Ryan Medicare lie really is."

    I then go on to explain that the $200 we saved on groceries can now be spent on food "extras," like going out to dinner several times. That's like President Obama using the Medicare savings to close the prescription drug donut hole and allow seniors access to free preventive care, cancer screenings, etc. through Obamacare. Compare this to Romney/Ryan who would use the same flyers and coupons to save the same $200, but instead of using the savings on food extras for our family (or, heck, even to pay down our family's debt), they would send it to my rich uncle so he could be even richer...

    (Apologies for posting this idea again...I posted it in a diary to which I arrived late.)

    "If you are neutral in situations of oppression, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." -- Archbishop Desmond Tutu

    by life is making tacos on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 10:05:54 PM PDT

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    Democrats - We represent America!

    by phonegery on Sun Aug 19, 2012 at 10:53:53 PM PDT

  •  TWO WORLDS (1+ / 0-)
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    in one world, ACA holds insurance companies to a maximum overhead level, and Medicare keeps running in a familiar form.

    in the other world, Medicare changes into a voucher system that doesn't scale with inflation, and ACA is repealed, so your vouchers get to pay for private insurance, oh and by the way that ACA repeal also means the clamp on insurer profits/overhead is gone too.

    It's a triple whammy.

  •  "MediVoucher" might be more appropriate (0+ / 0-)

    I don't think we want to leave the impression that the "care" portion of the program remains.  

    The vouchers are replacing the guarantee of care.



  •  Are we losing this? (0+ / 0-)

    I've been on vacation, cut off from mass media, and don't live in a battleground state. I'm not sure how effective R messaging is, but I do not personally find it difficult to explain this distinction to anyone. In fact I can do it in 2 or 3 sentences. So legit question: to those who are more tuned in and/or have impressionable friends/family, are we losing this debate? Seems inconceivable to me.

  •  Agree… (1+ / 0-)
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    we tend to believe we have reason on our side and all we have to do is explain – then it gets lost in all the argument. The word "voucher" itself is negative enough to use. No explanation is needed, it elicits visions of having to choose, shop for the best insurance, listen to a lot of ads, be tormented by mail and phone calls asking you to switch, and more. Medicare is trusted, vouchers are not. Everyone knows the forces out there working overtime to cheat people out of their money. The word needs to be repeated by every Dem. candidate 20 times in every speech. Voucher, voucher, voucher, voucher. The Rethugs did this with the word "liberal" to great success – but the word "voucher" begins with a negative, confusing image. Let them, force them to try to explain, describe the process – no matter how they try to spin it. The more they are forced to talk about vouchers, the less people are going to want to hear it – visions of electric company choices, telephone company, etc. Voucher, voucher, voucher, voucher, voucher – make them choke on the very word.

    I'm voting for the UPPITY ONE

    by qua on Mon Aug 20, 2012 at 04:53:04 AM PDT

  •  Three things (0+ / 0-)

    I think all the key points were covered on Medicare on the past week but I think we struggled with how to respond to the $716 billion dollar "cut".  I think we need a somewhat simpler, streamlined response that acknowledges rather than skirts some basic facts, as follows:

    As part of the Affordable Care Act we did strengthen Medicare for seniors by eliminating wasteful and inefficient spending on the program without any decrease in seniors' benefits.   In addition, using those savings we--
    **increased benefits for seniors by providing cancer screening and preventative care without co-pays,
    covered the 'donut hole' for high prescription use seniors
    *extended the solvency of the Medicare program by eight years (to 2024)

    Ryan budget also eliminates the wasteful spending but gives those savings as tax cuts to the wealthy.  Romney disagrees with Ryan and would restore that wasteful spending that overpays insurance companies and some providers--and thereby decreases the solvency of the program.  Both Romney and Ryan propose converting Medicare to a voucher program beginning in 10 years.  If Voucher Care is a good money-saving idea in 10 years, it's a great idea in two or four years---Beware of Creeping Voucher Care.

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