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While a majority of  72% of American adults who have heard of the Medicare voucher  plan oppose it, by 49% to 34%, a shocking 17% think it is President Obama's plan.  Only 23% correctly realize the Medicare voucher plan is being proposed by Paul Ryan, rather than President Obama. So it appears that Romney is being successful in positioning himself, and Ryan, as defenders of Medicare against the onslaught of President Obama and Democrats.  

This may be one reason we have not seen any evidence of consequences in the head to head polls for for what would seem to be a highly negative position for the GOP.  These results are from a CNN-Pew Poll just released this Tuesday afternoon.


Of those who have heard of the idea, 49% oppose such a change, while 34% favor the entitlement reform. Pew states that the margin is "virtually unchanged from public reactions a little over a year ago," when House Republicans voted on a similar measure as part of the so-called Ryan budget plan. The bill, however, did not pass the Democratic-controlled Senate.

The survey also finds that while Americans place the need to reduce the deficit as a top priority, most would not favor entitlement cuts as a way of balancing the budget. Asked which was more important, 51% of respondents said maintaining current Social Security and Medicare benefits, while 33% said taking steps to reduce the deficit. Eleven percent said the two were equally important.

The poll also indicates that Romney's selection of Ryan has low support among all Americans, as 28% said he was either an excellent or good choice, while 46% said he was a fair or poor choice. Among Republicans, 60% said he was either an excellent or good choice, while 20% said he was a fair or poor pick.

It's important to note that most Americans do not associate Ryan with Medicare reform, according to the survey. Of those who have heard of the proposal, 23% linked the idea to Ryan, while 17% said it was President Barack Obama's idea. Forty-four percent said they were unaware of who proposed it.

I'm still almost speechless with dismay. The only caveat is that poll was taken about a week after the Paul Ryan VP announcement, before the majority of the debate over the Medicare voucher plan.  But, this shows us that our work is cut out for us, despite what should be overwhelming advantages. Another flash poll last night, showed Todd Akin leading Senator Claire McCaskill by 1%, even after is repugnant statements about "legitimate rape."

Yesterday, MSNBC ran the entire stump speech by Romney and Ryan, where they  claimed that President Obama had "ripped out" $716 billion dollars from Medicare, but Mitt Romney exclaimed he would put it back, and the bused in crowds cheered wildly.

Theses are the kinds of Rovian reversals that drive me bonko with politics.  After Mitt Romney's  gaffe filled European trip, choice of Ryan, Medicare extremism, and opposition to choice even in cases of rape and incest, I expected we'd be up by 10% or more in the polls. But, a new Democratic poll now shows us down 4% in Michigan, and a polls yesterday put Romney up 1% in Wisconsin.  

Gak!  I know all the caveats about summer polls, and time delays, but this kind of thing still makes me ill, stresses me out, and discourages me about the level of attentiveness and average competence of my fellow Americans. I apologize for this moment of discouragement.  Give me a few hours, and I'll be mad as heck and ready to fight again.

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  •  Tip Jar (18+ / 0-)

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 02:01:49 PM PDT

  •  ugh (16+ / 0-)

    how hard is it for every Democrat to say repeatively
    "THE REPUBLICAN Medicare Voucher plan"

    "Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." - John Stuart Mill

    by smartone on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 02:11:52 PM PDT

  •  See, this is the problem with (8+ / 0-)

    Democrats. They think people are better informed than they are. Republicans, on the other hand, assume people know nothing.

    Democrats thought when Ryan was picked that everyone would know who Paul Ryan is without needing to define him. They thought everyone would equate Paul Ryan with Medicare vouchers without us having to spell it out. Wrong.

    Republicans, because they assume people know nothing, have no shame in boldly going out and pretending it's Democrats who are trying to kill Medicare. They have no fear that people will think they're crazy to say such a thing.

    I'm a dyslexic agnostic insomniac. I lie awake at night wondering if there's a dog.

    by rennert on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 02:20:40 PM PDT

  •  Need ads about the congressional record (2+ / 0-)
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    HoundDog, grrr

    The public needs to be educated about how Ryan and Akin have been voting for the past 2 years.

    It's extremism and it sounds like the public needs factual ads on TV.  Much like that Ryan/Romney ad that was released that showed how much they hate women.

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 02:21:11 PM PDT

  •  Tipped & rec'ed (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 02:24:26 PM PDT

  •  Why Do People Keep Saying The Michigan Pollster (1+ / 0-)
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    Supavash

    is a democrat.  A republican could have commissioned the poll.  Also, I don't know why anyone is giving this poll a pass when they did not give the Florida poll done by this same pollster the same pass.

    "Don't Let Them Catch You With Your Eyes Closed"

    by rssrai on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 02:31:03 PM PDT

  •  The voters in red red district NY 24 knew who was (1+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick

    responsible for Ryan's Medicare plan enough to vote in a Democrat for the first time in decades. If there are these many dufus American, it is because of our piss sorry media. They have gone 2 years for the media to simply inform the viewers who was responsible for the freaking voucher plan. Some will say, the democrats are simply not getting their message out, but this wasn't much to get out and not complicated.

  •  Anyone think these polls are tight because if they (1+ / 0-)
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    OleHippieChick

    steal it, people want be surprised or question the results? But on the other hand, that could also encourage Dems to get out and fight harder. I believe the last Bloomberg poll which had Obama leading by 13 points.

  •  Michigan poll an utter joke (1+ / 0-)
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    OrganizedCrime

    I'm a poll believer, but really.  This was the third question asked (emphasis mine):

    Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan has been selected as the Republican vice presidential nominee. Congressman Ryan has proposed federal budgets that drastically cut the federal deficit, cuts taxes on job creators and proposes the reform of Medicare and Social Security benefits. The Tea Party and business groups support Ryan's budget as fiscally responsible, reducing the size and cost of unsustainable programs. Democrats, senior citizens groups and a number of economists oppose Ryan's budget proposal citing it gives the richest Americans a tax cut, privatizes Social Security and Medicare and will have a negative effect on the economy.
    That said -- voters are freaking idiots and this Medicare thing surprises me not in the least.  It's why I've been saying all along -- and getting attacked as a concern troll -- that the Ryan pick ensures nothing in the way of an Obama win.
  •  This is standard. (0+ / 0-)

    I've seen studies before that indicate that about one person in six, watching TV news, gets the story backward. Put that together with the "black guy bad" frame that some still retain, and it's a miracle in a way that the figure is below twenty per cent.

    "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

    by sagesource on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 02:55:02 PM PDT

  •  GOP Won This Issue 2 Years Ago When Our Side (0+ / 0-)

    declined to sell its signature positive accomplishment.

    We lost the last election to a large degree over this issue which drove seniors to be the only block that increased turnout over the Presidential election in 08.

    This is not a winning issue for Democrats, it's a winning issue for Republicans.

    Political malpractice has consequences.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 02:59:34 PM PDT

  •  In order for Obama to lose Michigan, there would (0+ / 0-)

    have to be a 17 to 18 point turn around from 2008, where Obama won by 17 points. Plus, i don't think Romney is as popular as McCain was. And i also think Democrats will turn out in higher numbers this November. Especially women. The questions asked on polls can skew the polls widely.
     

  •  Obama leads 50-34 on Medicare in the NBC/WSJ poll (1+ / 0-)
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    ZedMont

    that's about to be released, so that's good news.

    I think it shows that even though OFA hasn't done a ton to knock down the Romney/Ryan Medicare plan yet, there is more inherent trust in Obama/Democrats when it comes to Medicare.

  •  There would have had to be a 21 point turn around (0+ / 0-)

    from 2008 in Michigan for Romney to be leading by 4 points and a 15 point turn around in Wisconsin for Romney to be leading Obama by 1 point as reported by this poll. I don't believe these polls at all.

  •  28% voted for Alan Keyes for IL-Sen (0+ / 0-)

    Why is this shocking to you?

    Why did the Washington Post hire Bellatrix LeStrange? And why did she change her name to Jennifer Rubin?

    by NoFortunateSon on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 03:32:54 PM PDT

  •  They must have talked to my mother-in-law.... (0+ / 0-)

    Because stupid people are so sure they're smart, they often act smart, and sometimes even smart people are too stupid to recognize that the stupid people acting smart really ARE stupid.

    by ZedMont on Tue Aug 21, 2012 at 03:39:00 PM PDT

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