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No, you are not "pro life."
Right now, you can have all the babies you want, when you want.
Nobody tries to prevent you from living your life according to your faith.

But your faith is not my faith.

You don't care.  You demand to dictate my life according to your faith.

You think you have all the answers for everyone.

Who are you to control when I bring a baby into the world?

Your pope is not my pope.
Do you understand?
YOUR POPE IS NOT MY P0PE.

Yes, I know your power-crazed church has a monopoly on our supreme court.
And you enjoy full control of one party, plus a powerful fake news network to misinform the gullible.

Once again, by all means force your 14-year-old child to have a baby to teach
her a life lesson.

But thank God, I could still take my 14-year-old to an abortion clinic at her own
request, because she knew that neither she nor the family felt like being strapped with another kid

She is a happy adult now.  No, we are not spending our lives consumed in guilt, as much as the Pope would like us to be.  The matter is pretty much forgotten.

Pro Life is the incorrect label for you, you control-freak idiot.  You are anti life.  You are pro misery.  You are rules regardless of consequence.

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  •  Anti-Choice and Pro-Fetus only. (6+ / 0-)

    These people were allowed to search around and re-brand themselves with a nice sounding handle.  No one challenged it.

    Most of the "pro-life" people I'v met were/are supporters of the Bush wars which killed thousands.  Many also support the Death Penalty - especially the likes of and followers of the current Texas governor.  NOT Pro-Life at all, merely pro-fetus and they should be called out and labeled as such.

    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty (Mittens, Paul Ryan, Scotty Walker, Limbaugh, pick your favorite) said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less."

    by Eman on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 07:33:58 PM PDT

    •  Many of the anti-choicers (2+ / 0-)
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      maybeeso in michigan, ardyess

      are single issue voters, they got the rest of the bush policies as a bonus.

      After the Republicans burn down the world, they will prove the Democrats did it.

      by jimraff on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 07:45:28 PM PDT

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      •  If you cling to these stereotypes (0+ / 0-)

        then we will get nowhere. I consider myself pro-life, and yes, my spiritual life has more than a little to do with this facet of my morality.

        I am also anti-death penalty.
        I am also anti Stand Your Ground.
        I acknowledge war, but would have voted against the first gulf war if given a chance and would try at the very least Dick Cheney for war crimes.
        I am not a Roman Catholic, and in fact refuse to use any name other than Ratzinger for the man who empowered his thugs to deny communion to John Kerry whiel he was a candidate.
        I believe in marriage equality, even though I'll cop to being personally a touch homophobic.

        I am pro-life because I believe it is a bad thing to end life, and I do believe abortion ends life. Is it a similarly bad thing to force a woman to carry a child to term that poses a riwk to her. Sure. Definitely. I don't know what to do about this. A choice between these two things is a bad set of choices.

        I have been somewhat happy. Roe v Wade's impact was exagggerated by when it happened, fairly early on in the child-bearing years for Baby Boom women. The sheer numbers, which the elder bush famously said changed his own mind about choice, were bound to flatten. In fact, a real decrease began during his presidency and continued through the last time I bothered to check on this one. A lot of individuals and groups can take credit for this, some of whom are embraced by my fellows here and some decried. Girls are more deliberate about their sexual choices than they were  a generation ago. This is a good thing. As a result of the Clinton years, pro-lifers of good conscience worked at making it easier to choose to take a pregnancy to term. Yes, I'm sugar-coating some of their efforts, but a large numbere of them simply want to do something other than legislate and jail.

        I want nothing to do with the others, hateful people who are not so concerned about the unborn as they are about sexuality. But it occurs to me that many pro-lifers are likely just as appaled as I am that some "right to life" prosecutors want to start investigating miscarriages.

        We have a right to privacy in this country, and more court decisions than just the abortion and birth control ones have acknowledged that the relationship between doctor and patient is at its height. I believe in that right. To the extent that ending a preganncy is a medical issue, I am happy to turn the other way. But I do think it is ending life, and I'm happy when I hear the procedure is becoming less frequent.

        I cannot image I'm alone here, either on the planet or this site.

        Have you heard? The vice president's gone mad. - Bob Dylan, 1966

        by textus on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 04:12:18 AM PDT

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        •  I agree with many of your points (0+ / 0-)

          my only point is that many, not all, pro lifers are single issue voters.  I have heard to many people say "I will never vote for a politician who is pro choice."  Any of those, who believe as you do, also get the death penalty and wars, etc.

          After the Republicans burn down the world, they will prove the Democrats did it.

          by jimraff on Thu Aug 23, 2012 at 05:35:14 AM PDT

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  •  Thank you! (8+ / 0-)

    When we stop trying to reach out and meet the anti-choicers halfway, and start making it clear that we believe it's between a woman and her conscience and it's not the government's place to "help" her, we'll win.

    Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

    by RamblinDave on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 07:37:05 PM PDT

  •  Oh, all that and they are still (9+ / 0-)

    against the other things that would actually reduce abortion, like sex ed, contraception availability and reducing poverty, increasing health care and and and...

    After the Republicans burn down the world, they will prove the Democrats did it.

    by jimraff on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 07:44:20 PM PDT

  •  Thank you. Good rant. We need to do it more and (3+ / 0-)
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    ardyess, CherryTheTart, kevin k

    more and make them cringe when they say "pro life".

    Good rant.   I second that.

    Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by maybeeso in michigan on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 07:52:03 PM PDT

  •  pro life my ass (4+ / 0-)

    when the majority of these batshit brained whackos push for death penalties and certainly would use any of their many guns to shoot someone they didn't like and claim a stand your ground law......

  •  "Forced birth." (3+ / 0-)

    People who oppose safe and legal abortion on demand call themselves "pro-life," but actually endorse forced birth.

    Best, most descriptive label I can think of. I use it all the time, and I hope it catches on.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:23:46 PM PDT

    •  Maybe you've noticed (5+ / 0-)

      ...that when you use "pro-forced-birth" or "anti-choice" or any other label that doesn't include the word "life," it gets under their skin very, very quickly. I like to think that is because if you take away their belief that they are saving babies' lives, it forces them to see that what they are really doing is deeply unfair to the women in question.

      But I'm probably giving them more credit than I should.

      Certaines personnes disent qu'il y a une femme à blâmer, Mais je sais que c'est ma faute sacrément.

      by RamblinDave on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 08:37:31 PM PDT

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  •  I have to say (1+ / 0-)
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    qofdisks

    while I agree with the sentiment, what is the proposed alternate frame?

    Also:

    Yes, I know your power-crazed church has a monopoly on our supreme court.
    And you enjoy full control of one party, plus a powerful fake news network to misinform the gullible.

    I realize you're speaking to the institution of the church here.  However, Catholic citizens, by and large, support choice and vote blue.  Look at Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia.  No pun intended, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

  •  why not connect these (2+ / 0-)

    I see you are pro-life, are you pro-health?

    If anyone who gets pregnant should have a baby, about how much should that cost?  A couple hundred bucks?  Wait, it's how much now?

    Would it be better for all concerned if everyone who could get pregnant was also required to have health insurance to cover expenses and complications ?

  •  Pregnancy is a process that at the end can produce (1+ / 0-)
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    NamelessGenXer

    a viable infant. It has to occur in a uterus and that uterus is within a womens body... If her body goes into labor early the cahnces are before 6 months that the product is not viable... THere are increasing efforts to save infants before they are full term... thees interventions are very expensive and the result is usaully infants that suffer medical problems all thier life... Yet now these uterus slavers think that cells or non-viable fetuses should have rights to use a womens body against her will at some risk to her own life  or risk of damage & shortening of her life to complete the process... maybe... This is why they have no problem with rape... to them, women are meant to be used, even against thier will by males and cells that are not a baby until they reach the point of viability... If they want to make it illegal to get an abortion at that point then women should have the option to select induced labor and the uterus slavers can pay for the medical care of the result.

    Pregnancy as punishment
    Pregnancy as a tool of oppression (ever heard barefoot &             pregnant)reducing them to slaves to others will at the risk of thier own life.
    Pregnancy as a way to bring unwanted children into the world for those who can't get themn any other way.

    All children that are born should be born to loving and capable of nurturing mothers... It is an essential part of parenting that is missing if a woman does not want the child. Adoption sounds like a solution but then you really are designating a woman as a walking uterus that those who cannot or don't want to go through the process can USE for thier own ends.  

    I was unmarried and did not choose to have an abortion because I wanted the child... I was the third women in the USAF to stay in service in 1973. You have no idea how I was treated and no idea how they tried to get around the law allowing me to stay. Women who are pregnant without a spouse even today find themselves losing thier jobs and being punished by family. I am not a breeder, I am a human being who chose to be a mother and demands that no one make that decision for me.

    I will never allow anyone to use my body against my will EVER. Once is enough and so I will fight to not be named as having no right to say NO. So take your religious dogma, your ignorance and your pious self righteousness and see if it will buy you an ability to think beyond your own situation and opinions. So much of the religion you use to cloak yourself in holiness is male derived and largely a result of men wanting to control the means of reproduction. Choose for yourself because the cells you are fighting for couldn't survive without the womans willing service.

    How can you tell when Rmoney is lying? His lips are moving. Fear is the Mind Killer

    by boophus on Wed Aug 22, 2012 at 09:09:55 PM PDT

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