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We know why the Republican Party runs its entire convention themed on a lie invented out of twisted redactions of a statement the president made. It's because they can't tell the truth about themselves or the Democrats and expect to gain any voter traction.

But, as we have seen since the beginning of that president's term in office—since before he was elected, in fact—there's more going on than merely twisting the president's words into a meaning they do not have. He's viewed as just not like "real" Americans.

A new poll by the Washington Post shows that this is not just a perspective Republicans maintain about President Obama. They hold the same attitude regarding African Americans in general. No surprise given that 90 percent of Republican voters are white, a proportion that has not much changed in 30 years even though the proportion of the U.S. population that is white has fallen over that period.

When asked "what's the reason you think most black voters support Democratic candidates?" the most common answer was "don't know." But among Republicans who answered the Aug. 15-19 poll, the next most common replies were:

Government dependents/want something for nothing/welfare: 59
Supportive of welfare entitlements: 36
Parents voted Democratic/taught to vote Democratic: 17
Uniformed/ignorant/uneducated: 16
More helpful to African Americans: 15

These are raw numbers, not percentages. But these responses, which stink of stereotypes of layabouts collecting free stuff, fit perfectly with the lecturing, hectoring mode of Mitt Romney at the NAACP meeting in July telling blacks what they should think. And not unlike the lecturing Ann Romney recently laid on Latinos, patronizing them with a lecture on what's best for them.

If the GOP actually had something to offer, African Americans would be registering in droves as Republicans and there wouldn't be an endless sea of white delegate faces in Tampa.

For contrast, among Democrats polled:

Issues of poverty/help poor/represent little guy: 48
More helpful to African Americans: 35
Party represents average people/workers over business: 35
Issue of civil rights/help minorities: 29
Democrats more helpful to society as a whole: 16

Independents, unsurprisingly, fell in between with their responses.

Republicans will always have fellow-travelers like Herman Cain to bolster their false perceptions of black entitlement. The one-time presidential candidate claimed on the Daily Show that the reason a recent poll showed Mitt Romney with zero percent support among African Americans is because blacks who do back the Republican candidate have jobs and were working when the pollsters called. Implying the others were presumably at home watching cable and waiting for Gallup to ring them up.

Thus does Cain reinforce Republican haters and give them ammunition to fling more nuts.

Originally posted to Meteor Blades on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:53 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  At some point the GOP is going to have to face (33+ / 0-)

    the fact that a lot of the people who depend on "entitlements" like food stamps are white people who work and can't afford to feed their families.

    When will the poor whites who vote against their own interests come to the same realization?

    AND WHY ARE WE STILL TALKING ABOUT HEALTH CARE IN 2011? -- Susan from 29

    by voracious on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:57:17 AM PDT

  •  Does make me want to throw something... (10+ / 0-)

    ...but it 'taint nuts.

  •  It's really sad to see how effectively the 1% (11+ / 0-)

    have divided the rest of us while the laugh all of the way to the bank.
    This is just the latest, glaring example.
    ;-(>

    "We're right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo! And somebody's giving booze to these goddamn things!"-Hunter S. Thompson ;-)>

    by rogerdaddy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 10:58:03 AM PDT

  •  Wow (2+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541, terabthia2

    I'm kind of amazed that all those Republicans were willing to be so open with a pollster about their racism. Then again, I'm equally sure they think their beliefs are "true."

    Frankly, it's very depressing.

    "The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence that it is not utterly absurd; indeed in view of the silliness of the majority of mankind, a widespread belief is more often likely to be foolish than sensible." -- Bertrand Russell

    by wide eyed lib on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:00:14 AM PDT

    •  There are statistical issues with this (0+ / 0-)

      Apologies for being shameless, but I think it's important that people consider waht this data does and doesn't show first.  

      more down below

      Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

      by Mindful Nature on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:53:09 AM PDT

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    •  When they answer these poll questions (2+ / 0-)
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      terabthia2, wide eyed lib

      with racist answers, they don't see it.

      They're not racists in their eyes.

      They. Just. Don't. Get. It.

      Those that do, don't care if they're racist. It is likely they are proud of that badge.

      "We can either have democracy in this country or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both." Louis Brandeis

      by wxorknot on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 01:43:56 PM PDT

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  •  I want to know who they are specifically. (1+ / 0-)
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    leeleedee

    As does my friend Anon.

    Education is a progressive discovery of our own ignorance.

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:00:26 AM PDT

  •  Racism really is a nasty canker (4+ / 0-)

    in the American body politic. If I remember correctly from Wacquants book (Punishing the Poor), perceptions of poverty shifted with the Watts race riots; before, the poor were portrayed and perceived as being mostly rural and white (for example, farmers from the Appalachian hollows), and afterward as mostly urban and black.

    With that change, support for the welfare state eroded while support for punitive policies strengthened. The opposition to policies which help the poor and the support for draconian policies are two sides of the same twisted coin.

    Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae 1, 3

    by Dauphin on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:00:53 AM PDT

  •  WHy no one questions the racism of mormons (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, basquebob, wishingwell

    That would be voting for Romney in the same proportions that blacks will for Obama?

    •  Hard to Separate Racism Against Blacks vs (4+ / 0-)
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      bryduck, basquebob, annieli, wishingwell

      tribalism in favor of their own community. 2 sides of the same coin maybe.

      Only clear way to tell is if there's ever a chance to vote for a white Mormon vs a black Mormon.

      Mormons are also very conservative; 3/4 lean Republican so I think if Hillary were up for re-election this year's Mormon vote would not be much different.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:08:16 AM PDT

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    •  I Want To Be Careful Here (7+ / 0-)

      but I think Mormons allowed African Americans into their church for the first time in 1967. Mitt's grandparents could have practiced polygamy, in fact moved to Mexico cause they felt the government was against their beliefs. These things didn't happen 500 years ago. They happened in recent memory.

      I don't think for a SECOND his faith is really anything that should disqualify him. You know as an atheist I have come to think that the faith of another person is their business and not mine.

      But my gosh. Imagine somebody from our side with a faith that has the history Mitt's faith has and not imagine the religious right saying gosh knows what type of stuff about it. And I don't mean in a good way.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:09:30 AM PDT

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    •  because ... (0+ / 0-)

      those who question fear to get an answer that says they are discriminating Romney's presidential bid on the base of his religion and that isn't allowed based on the constitution.

      The egality clause always loses out against the absolute freedom of speech and religion clause, it seems.

      You can bully and be a racist as much as you like legally, if it's done within the context of a religious belief based on "holy scripture or some such".

      On the one hand you can't discriminate someone on the basis of his race, but you also can't discriminate someone on the basis of his religion. So religiously based racism is protected because the religion itself is always protected.

      The conflict seems to me is in the constitution that doesn't restrain some freedom of speech and religion in order to guarantee egality

  •  hello? (3+ / 0-)
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    RJDixon74135, mapamp, mimi
    Uniformed/ignorant/uneducated: 16
    Increase the %age to 90% or more and accurate depiction of GOP who have blind political faith with refusal to look at facts.

    Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:07:43 AM PDT

    •  As white males fade farther into the background (1+ / 0-)
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      webranding

      of minority existence, I think they'll finallly start to get it.

      Eliminate tax breaks that stimulate the offshoring of jobs.

      by RJDixon74135 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:12:09 AM PDT

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      •  As A White Dude In His Early 40s (2+ / 0-)
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        Vita Brevis, RJDixon74135

        I've always thought to myself stats are not on my side for being in the majority (which I have no problem with) for my entire life. I've thought maybe us "white dudes" ought to be in-front of the curve and not be dicks.

        That when we are not in the majority those in power, formerly a minority, will recall what we did to them.

        When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

        by webranding on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:18:53 AM PDT

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        •  You're already out. Women have outnumbered (2+ / 0-)
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          webranding, wishingwell

          men for a long time. Forgive the unproven assertion, but if anyone disputes, I'll be happy to locate some sources.

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:22:37 AM PDT

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      •  Watch Repubs scream at us in 2016 if Rubio (1+ / 0-)
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        terabthia2

        the candidate and we run a white guy against him. They will be callng us racists night and day.

        Follow PA Keystone Liberals on Twitter: @KeystoneLibs

        by wishingwell on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 01:33:44 PM PDT

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  •  All I know is that your image of mixed nuts (3+ / 0-)
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    webranding, wide eyed lib, CaliSista

    makes me hungry. :-P

    remember to use positive affirmations. "i am not a dork" is not one of them

    by Altoid77 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:14:28 AM PDT

    •  A day late... (1+ / 0-)
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      CaliSista

      The incident happened on Tuesday.  CNN sat on it for a full day (as did virtually all the mainstream media).  I got a distinct feeling that, even then, CNN only covered it begrudgingly.  I'd like to have been the proverbial fly on the wall during the discussions about airing the story.  Make that a "stinging fly."

      But it's that derned librul media.  Yup, yup, yup.

      To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men. -Abraham Lincoln

      by Eyesbright on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:55:33 AM PDT

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  •  If Herman Cain had any self respect and some (1+ / 0-)
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    rg611

    actual decency he could be an example of a AA GOP?  The only thing is he fits all too well with Condi, Allen West and Michael Steele.

  •  And to think, there strategy for winning... (2+ / 0-)
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    Aquarius40, Eyesbright

    minority votes is to ask questions or make statements that are loaded or otherwise condescending.

    To whit, Mitt Romney to the NAACP audience:

    I believe that if you understood who I truly am in my heart, and if it were possible to fully communicate what I believe is in the real, enduring best interest of African American families, you would vote for me for president.
    Ann Romney on Latinos:
    You’d better really look at your future and figure out who’s going to be the guy that’s going to make it better for you and your children, and there is only one answer.

    ...

    It really is a message that would resonate well if they could just get past some of their biases that have been there from the Democratic machines that have made us look like we don’t care about this community.

    The desperate, urgent tone with which they speak sits cheek by jowl with their underlying patronizing.

    And the one I won't forget is the Texas GOP's outlandish platform, wherein they denounced the teaching of critical thinking skills in school, and also to repeal the Voting Rights Act of 1965. To say they have the interests of non-whites in their hearts is specious, as though inviting them to their side via Stockholm syndrome.

    Fuck every one of them. Kick them to the curb, leaving them with the shell of their atrophied intellect. Here's hoping that the last vestiges of "sane" Republican voters connect the dots, and break away from this nasty, extremist, illegitimate political "party" at last.

    "Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell." ~Edward Abbey ////\\\\ "To be a poor man is hard, but to be a poor race in a land of dollars is the very bottom of hardships." ~W.E.B. DuBois

    by rovertheoctopus on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:16:45 AM PDT

  •  Repubs are lazy and they are cowardly. (1+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright

    They don't have the guts to sell their policies honestly for what they really are, so they are cowards.  And they are lazy because they don't have the gumption, the get-up-and-go to do the work necessary to try to convince people that they are right, and then, as I said, the character to accept the public's verdict, up or down.

    And they put down everyone else.

    Lyin' Ryan.

    Biden v. Ryan will be a repeat of Bentsen v. Quayle.

  •  Proof positive that Herman Cain is (8+ / 0-)

    once again speaking out of his ass.

    This black voter with a job and who pays double plus more the tax rate that Mittens does, wouldn't vote for the GOP if they were the only party running.

    Neither would this black voter's mother, who retired from a long career in banking, and now lives in dread of what Mittens would do to Social Security and Medicare.

    Nor, this black voter's college student son who's at one of the top colleges in the nation if you're into Forbes rankings.

    Nor this black voter's cousins who include Doctors, Professors, Lawyers, and journalists.

    Guess we all missed the Cain dictum.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:18:30 AM PDT

  •  That picture makes me hungry (3+ / 0-)
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    webranding, Altoid77, tha puddin

    Why would somebody waste nuts by throwing them?

    Snark aside. It's sickening what happened.

  •  herman cain's response (5+ / 0-)

    makes me think of something that california senator hayakawa said during the dark days of the gas crisis in the 70s about how poor people didn't need to buy gas because they had nowhere to go.

    hope springs eternal and DAMN is she getting tired!

    by alguien on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:20:16 AM PDT

  •  Just heard on NPR a quote from a VFW atendee (2+ / 0-)
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    Wildthumb, Eyesbright

    yesterday at Romney's speech at their convention as Lyin' Ryan was holding forth (or backwards, if you like) at the Mind-cramp in Tampa, a woman who was asked why she wouldn't vote for Obama, and she said "He just doesn't look like a President, and his wife doesn't look like a First Lady.  It's time we got someone who looks like a President ought to look in there."  (paraphrased).

    It's really nice to see this shit rising to the top of the GOP cesspool.  Don't have to use "dogwhistle" any more.  Before long they'll be carrying hangin' ropes with them to their gatherings.

    "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you succeed." - Nancy Pelosi // Question: "succeed" at what?

    by nailbender on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:22:09 AM PDT

  •  I was called a Socialist by my sister's (7+ / 0-)

    extreme rightwing boyfriend last night, who then went on howling about giving people something for nothing.  All this from a guy that took all the extensions he could on unemployment until it ran out and  now lives off my sister.

    On another note, in the same discussion, I was informed that Obama has seen higher unemployment numbers than Bush, and it is just getting worse.  It had nothing to do with the hundreds of thousands of jobs we were bleediing before Obama took office.  It's all his fault.  I can't believe the stupid I see every day; and the hate that's being ramped up for "welfare queens" and the like is getting scary.  Facts don't matter.  Even having personal knowledge of the situation I was in here recently, and how I didn't even qualify for welfare though I had nowhere to turn because I didn't have small children, doesn't even play into the facts.  

    We need to find a way to counter the rightwing noise (hate) machine, because people are believing this crap, and they're getting angrier and angrier.

    "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

    by AnnieR on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:24:32 AM PDT

    •  For one thing, being around my conservative, (4+ / 0-)
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      zett, AnnieR, Eyesbright, Matt Z

      Fox-loving family has taught me that families give, and they take away, sometimes much. I hang around them less and less, and more with my wife and friends. Much of the pious
      crap about "family" is myth. A progressive has to look at what his or her values are, just as conservatives do. I just won't be around all that stupidity, ignorance, narrow-mindedness, and prejudice.

      I was seeing what Adam had seen on the morning of his creation - the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence. --The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley

      by Wildthumb on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:28:48 AM PDT

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    •  The cult of Fox (5+ / 0-)
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      webranding, 88kathy, AnnieR, CaliSista, Matt Z

      The Fox Party (read Republican base) has become a cult.  They are the Real Americans.  They have created everything good on the planet, and all others are stealing that good.

      They are the chosen of God or the most highly evolved (from my brother a cult member and self proclaimed agnostic.)  

      They have all of the truth.  Anyone who disagrees with the Fox Party is lying and not a Real American so their words carry no weight.  

      All Real Americans agree and vote for the Fox candidates.  People who vote for other candidates are not Real Americans and commit fraud by voting.  

      It is very closed, very self consistent, and very frightening.

      •  Frightening indeed. (2+ / 0-)
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        Eyesbright, Matt Z

        This is the stuff of propaganda.  Where is it going to lead us?  I live in GA where they just arrested a group who formed a militia with plans to "take over" the government.  O'Reilly goes on about Dr. Tiller the baby killer, and someone kills Dr. Tiller.  Bachmann starts in on the muslim brotherhood and Hillary Clinton's assistant, and a guy walks into a Shiek temple and starts shooting.  Are the people in power too ignorant to see the connection or are they chosing just to look the other way.  When do we put a stop to hateful liars as viable news?  This is getting out of hand.

        "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

        by AnnieR on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:54:13 AM PDT

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        •  Wish I knew (1+ / 0-)
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          Matt Z

          The key is that this is not propaganda - this is a cult.  To members of the Fox Party all the things you mentioned are absolute truth.  It is fair game for O'Reilly to call Dr. Tiller a baby killer, but he has no responsibility for Dr. Tillers death.  I still get e-mails from my brother 'proving' President Obama was not born in America, and that all Muslims should be killed.

          I am not a psychiatrist.  I don't know how to deprogram cult members.  I doubt if any of the normal techniques would work on a cult with a TV network, several radio networks and yes, a major political party.

          Historically such things have usually ended very badly.

    •  My Parents Are Moderate, Moderate Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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      AnnieR, Meteor Blades

      my brother married into a family of "birthers." There is no way I can't spend time with them. I wish I had a way to deal with it but alas I don't. Generally speaking they are really, really nice folks. But talk about anything political and it is like I have fallen down a rabbit hole.

      When opportunity calls pick up the phone and give it directions to your house.

      by webranding on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:34:35 AM PDT

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      •  I've read some of the diaries you've written about (1+ / 0-)
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        Eyesbright

        your parents, and have enjoyed the different perspective.  Moderate is the key here.  This guy I'm living with (because I lost everything after my husband died and had to move in with my sister) is so extreme it's frightening, plus he's a drunk.  It's amazing what he believes, including Obama wasn't born here so he's not a legitimate President.  Crazy stuff that would seem out there if I was just reading it, not living it.

        "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

        by AnnieR on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:58:06 AM PDT

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        •  "......Plus He's A Drunk" (1+ / 0-)
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          elmo

          This is someone that is painfully aware he has squandered his own life, so it just rips him up that a black guy could become president, and he has to make up a conspiracy theory to explain it.

          Spoiler alert: explaining this to him would not be helpful.  

          There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

          by bernardpliers on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 12:16:05 PM PDT

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  •  Sad but hardly a surprise (3+ / 0-)
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    brae70, Eyesbright, dclawyer06

    The racism of the Rightwing narrative has never been more than just beneath the surface. The real scandal is how they have been able to peddle this poison for the last 30 plus years without being labeled as what they are.  

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:26:23 AM PDT

  •  The harder I work to understand (2+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright, dclawyer06

    this virulent fear and dislike of black people, the more perplexed I get. I really, truly do not understand. I could embrace all of the Democratic answers to that question. I cant understand most of the Republican ones.

    Take the "Can't(or)" out of Congress. Support E. Wayne Powell in Va-07. http://www.ewaynepowell.com/

    by anastasia p on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:27:09 AM PDT

  •  My daughter says just 2 nuts in a crowd. I said (4+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright, tha puddin, hmi, schnecke21

    yeah people are always throwing nuts at the CNN camera operators.  She backed off.  Said the crowd was riled up.  

    Hey Ryan, where you goin' with that trans-vaginal probe in your hand

    by 88kathy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:29:48 AM PDT

  •  important question unasked (3+ / 0-)

    What do black Democrats say are the reason they vote for Democrats?

    Could have something to do with the Republicans thinking they're all on welfare.

    28, white male, TX-26 (current), TN-09 (born), TN-08 (where parents live now)

    by TDDVandy on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:30:03 AM PDT

  •  I couldn't help but realizing that in your picture (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    elmo

    only the white nuts are almost all the time crooked...

  •  (sigh) people of a certain age . . . n/t (0+ / 0-)
  •  Magical GOP thinking linked to Animal Familiars (0+ / 0-)

    Insect transformers: Here are (clockwide from 1PM) Christie, Ryan (the little one) Boeher (the other little one) and Mittens.

    Bug you much?

    Bloodsucking GOOPers are everywhere, beware!

    "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

    by jakewaters on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:34:10 AM PDT

  •  My comments on racism are above. BUT: (1+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright

    I rarely see these ugly incidents presented on video. Actual video with sound and all. The spinners on the other side can
    say it's just another black woman playing the race card to discredit the GOP convention. Not having that goddamned video is absolutely frustrating to me.

    A smoking gun is much harder to spin. I heard about incidents against black congressmen too, but there's nothing on video. I certainly believe that these things happened, but I want the obvious out there. I want them shamed and disrupted.

    If someone had just "reported" that Akin said what he said about rape, and not had the proof, how far could we have gotten with that incident?

    I was seeing what Adam had seen on the morning of his creation - the miracle, moment by moment, of naked existence. --The Doors of Perception, Aldous Huxley

    by Wildthumb on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:37:20 AM PDT

  •  not for nothin' but those mixed nuts (0+ / 0-)

    look kinda good:) I also think it's interesting that the issue of the Democratic party supporting civil rights has endured the generations.

    If you run into Justice John Roberts thank him for giving Barack Obama... FOUR MORE YEARS!!!! OBAMA 2012!!! WHOO HOOO!

    by tha puddin on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:45:04 AM PDT

  •  a fellow worker (0+ / 0-)

    who is a dem like myself were talking politics last year about charlie crist, he was defending crist as a good guy and although i agreed he did seem palatable even though a goper i told him i can't vote for somone who belongs to a party like the gop, these polls are just the reason i feel that way.

    the gop is a party that has just the opposite philosophy of what america stands for, actually any free thinking nation regardless of politics, if the gop has its way america will be a fascist state with the white minority in control and liberals, blacks, hispanics, asians, jews, gays, lesbians, transgender, and any group not accepted by the white minority relegated to second class status, in essence nazi germany light, at least initially light.

  •  No "Because Obama Pays Them Slavery Reparations?" (2+ / 0-)
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    Eyesbright, tha puddin

    Man, I really expected to see something about "Forty acres and a mule."

    Rush talks about reparations quite a bit, and I'm pretty certain some wingnuts would have bit at that question.  

    http://tonightsforecastdark.blogspot.com/...

    There’s always free cheddar in a mousetrap, baby

    by bernardpliers on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:50:39 AM PDT

    •  that's 'acause Rush considers himself (0+ / 0-)

      an educated, renaissance man. Most of these low-rent racists have never heard of reparations or 40 acres and a mule. Alls they know is that they don't like N*

      If you run into Justice John Roberts thank him for giving Barack Obama... FOUR MORE YEARS!!!! OBAMA 2012!!! WHOO HOOO!

      by tha puddin on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 12:15:11 PM PDT

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  •  Whoa, Dude, WTF? (2+ / 0-)
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    These are raw numbers, not percentages. But these responses, which stink of stereotypes of layabouts collecting free stuff, fit perfectly with the lecturing, hectoring mode of Mitt Romney at the NAACP meeting in July telling blacks what they should think.
    I know this is a failing on WaPo's part, not yours, but the way it's presented ought to set off lots of redflags that someone is trying to snowball you with misleading statitstics.  Maybe its just the stats head in me, but reporting raw numbers completely fails to support the implication of the second point.

    For example, If you have a large enough sample of Democrats, you'll probably get a small number of answers totally off the wall answers (Say LaRouchies answering that blacks support democrats because the TriLateral Commission has brainwashed them into supporing the Federal Reserve or something).  Without some sense of the overall sample size, the raw counts are utterly meaningless in terms of assessing how Democrats in general think.

    If the poll was of 200, then these are substantial fractions and might fairly be said to be representative.   if it were of  20,000, then these numbers are so insignificant as to be meaningless.  (Looking at the most common free response answers here also depends entirely upon how responses are categorized.  If you choose your categories right, it would be extremely easy to paint any picture you wanted to.  That's another easy lie-with-statistics trick in this kind of method.)

    Having looked back at the link, the OVERALL poll included 1,020 adults, so if the make up was roughly a third republicans, these responses translate into something around 18% down to under 5% .

    That kind of information is far more meaningful.

    Anyway, I'm still on my soapbox about being methodologically careful and trying to keep to what we have firm evidence for.   Tiresome in the extreme, I know.

    /public service statistics announcement.

    Courtesy Kos. Trying to call on the better angels of our nature.

    by Mindful Nature on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:50:52 AM PDT

    •  Yes, yes, yes! (1+ / 0-)
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      I got all excited to convert to percentages (and was a little annoyed that the author had not done so). After posting below, I saw your comment.

      Without the COMPLETE raw data we can't really draw any conclusions except that "x" number of people responded in a particular way and that a plurality of folks answered "I don't know".

      I still suspect that it's significant that so many Republican respondents cite welfare but I can't argue it on the basis of the info we have here.

      Do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good. ~ Romans 12:21

      by Mickquinas on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 12:32:57 PM PDT

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  •  Why hasn't anyone done a poll... (1+ / 0-)
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    That determines exactly how much of the 47% that supports Romney is pure racism?  We all know it's there, and I'm willing to bet it's a high-double-digit percentage of the 47%, but I would love to see it quantified.  Of course, whatever percentage they come up with would need to be doubled to allow for those who don't answer it honestly.

  •  Cain reinforces this (0+ / 0-)

    or the simple gathering of the ever decreasing group of folks who are the most threatened by the growing visibility of US diversity?

    The enabling is done by the entire RW messaging machine which continues to promote the myth that this mindset is the dominant one, and then the series of events at which people who want this to be true find each other.

    I don't think they fling nuts when they are sitting home alone.

    Words can sometimes, in moments of grace, attain the quality of deeds. --Elie Wiesel

    by a gilas girl on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:57:47 AM PDT

  •  Percentages are helpful to me... (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans polled -

    Government dependents/want something for nothing/welfare: 59
    Supportive of welfare entitlements: 36
    Parents voted Democratic/taught to vote Democratic: 17
    Uniformed/ignorant/uneducated: 16
    More helpful to African Americans: 15
    The equivalent percentages are (not = 100% due to rounding):

    Government dependents/want something for nothing/welfare: 41%
    Supportive of welfare entitlements: 25%
    Parents voted Democratic/taught to vote Democratic: 12%
    Uniformed/ignorant/uneducated: 11%
    More helpful to African Americans: 10%

    It's worth noting in relation to the welfare dog whistles that 66% or 2 out of 3 Republican respondents (according to this poll) think that African Americans vote Democrat for the sake of welfare.

    On the Democrat side -

    Issues of poverty/help poor/represent little guy: 48
    More helpful to African Americans: 35
    Party represents average people/workers over business: 35
    Issue of civil rights/help minorities: 29
    Democrats more helpful to society as a whole: 16

    which is:
    Issues of poverty/help poor/represent little guy: 29%
    More helpful to African Americans: 21%
    Party represents average people/workers over business: 21%
    Issue of civil rights/help minorities: 18%
    Democrats more helpful to society as a whole: 10%

    same caveat re. totals applies.

    Do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good. ~ Romans 12:21

    by Mickquinas on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 11:59:01 AM PDT

    •  OOPS - WRONG NUMBERS (0+ / 0-)

      Not 2 out of 3 Republicans, 2 out of 3 of the top 5 Republican answers other than "I don't know".

      Big difference, as others have pointed out.
      My apologies.

      Do not be overcome by evil but overcome evil with good. ~ Romans 12:21

      by Mickquinas on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 12:26:52 PM PDT

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  •  The "raw" numbers are misleading (0+ / 0-)

    Those really ought to be converted to percentages.

    It makes a big difference if answer #2 was by 50% or 2% and we have no idea just seeing raw numbers since we don't know how many people were asked the question altogether.

  •  Nutzylvania. (1+ / 0-)
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    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 12:20:40 PM PDT

  •  Really? (1+ / 0-)
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    I hope MB does not plan to go into the polling business.

    The WaPo calls up 1024 people; 59 of those people said that blacks vote Democratic because of one (1) of three (3) characterizations: "Government dependents/want something for nothing/welfare." Of those three, reasons, one might be taken as pejorative. How many offered that reason? We don't know. How many were Republicans? We don't know. The most we could say is that some percentage below 0.6% (that is, below six tenths of a percent) of the people polled offered a pejorative rationale. If half those polled were Republicans, we can up that to something under 1.2%.

    However, that is enough for MB to characterize the entirety of the Republican responses ("these responses") in order to claim that they "stink of stereotypes of layabouts collecting free stuff" and to extrapolate that "these responses" illustrate the Republican candidates generally.

    Rarely has so much been extracted from so little.

  •  We can not let CNN stonewall this story! n/t (0+ / 0-)

    What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

    by equern on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 12:24:50 PM PDT

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