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270 miners charged in co-workers' deaths
South African authorities have charged 270 miners with murder in the killings of 34 fellow workers, even though police are believed to have fired the fatal shots.
Whaaaaaat? Well, in fact, the South African authorities are using a sort of they made us do it defense. In an ugly throw-back to the Apartheid-era, the miners are being charged under the common purpose law:
"It's the police who were shooting but they were under attack by the protesters, who were armed, so today the 270 accused are charged with the murders,” Frank Lesenyego, a spokesperson for the National Prosecuting Authority, told the Associated Press.

Daily News / 30 Aug 2012

Because of course, it's always a good idea to blame the victim. This is unbelievably frightening... to now put this massacre at the feet of the miners is breathtaking. Really jaw-dropping insanity.

I mean WTF???????????

Watch out, because this is our world now and those in power (all of them) make it harder and harder for us to act on the truth as we are being buried in bullshit... being forced to accept lie after lie, no matter what we see, no matter what the facts may indicate. One can only wonder how long before police in Oakland or New York City adopt a similar strategy...

This video is amazing... look at it and bear witness; one never knows if it will disappear.

just to rub salt in the wound: lyin Ryan

update: here's a bit more perspective, with the police point of view...  

from the New York Times:

... authorities watched warily as the crowd grew more militant. Two police officers were hacked to death, and eight other people were killed in violent clashes. On Aug. 16, the police were given the order to move in...  the police said that they tried to chase away the miners with rubber bullets and stun grenades, but that they were forced to resort to live ammunition when the miners surged at them.

snip

Journalists at the scene caught some of the shooting on video and in photographs. The police account, meticulously laid out in a multimedia presentation the day after the clash, has been questioned by witnesses and journalists who have examined the scene and concluded that at least some of the workers were killed in what appeared to be much more suspicious circumstances.

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  •  Is it too late to ask (2+ / 0-)
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    pfiore8, sockpuppet

    you to take this down before any American cops and prosecutors see it?  I can just picture what's going to happen the next time some militarized police with a trumped-up warrant break down the wrong door and kill someone.

    190 milliseconds....

    by Kingsmeg on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 07:32:51 PM PDT

    •  crazy (3+ / 0-)
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      emidesu, bronte17, sockpuppet

      that we are at this point, isn't it?

      i can't believe it sometimes. how did we let it all slip away from us? our backyard bar-b-que, home-for-the-holidays lives?

      god, i'd give anything to go back to worrying about the mundane everyday things... do i look fat in these pants, honey?

      remember those days?

      •  pfiore8 - many states have a similiar law (5+ / 0-)
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        emidesu, LinSea, pfiore8, sockpuppet, nextstep

        If in the commission of a felony someone is killed, even by the police, all the people involved in the crime may be charged with murder. That's the law in numerous states, including California where I live.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Thu Aug 30, 2012 at 08:03:21 PM PDT

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        •  has that ever been applied (1+ / 0-)
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          sockpuppet

          to a large crowd who may not have weapons etal?

          •  pfiore - some of them had weapons (0+ / 0-)

            It would be interesting to actually know what prompted the miners to charge the police given that the police were armed with automatic weapons. It was really a suicide charge. The entire episode was not only tragic, but very hard to understand.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:26:58 AM PDT

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            •  some of them having weapons doesn't (0+ / 0-)

              implicate the entire crowd.

              and, given the history in South Africa, would you go up against the police empty handed?

              i wrote something a while ago about actions getting further and further off the grid... i understand why people get whacky and desperate and act out. what choices are they given? who listens?

              i am with the miners and have very little sympathy for the authorities. further i think we will start to see how close we are to their plight... if we remember that NYC corps were allowed to hire police to guard them from those who they are supposed to protect: the citizens of the city (who pay those men and women in uniform)

              it's only going to get worse here... another scary thing? rethugs unseating delegates. what do you suppose that indicates? it's the trend... and still, we think, oh la la la, let's keep electing brand dems.

              alert: it's only getting worse because brand dems/rethugs: not much difference. imo.

        •  "involved in the CRIME" being the operative word (2+ / 0-)
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          sockpuppet, pfiore8

          there.

          Participating in a labor march is not a crime. Petitioning for grievances is not a crime. Petitioning for redress and relief from misery is not a crime. Petitioning for better working conditions and humane working conditions is not a crime.

          The marchers did NOT make the police murder them.


          In my honor he pulled out old forgotten dignity and walked straight in a crooked world. ~~poetry of young Barack Obama

          by bronte17 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 02:24:08 AM PDT

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          •  bronte - not to excuse the actions of the police (0+ / 0-)

            but the crowd did charge the police, and some of them were armed, although with less lethal weapons than the police. You could certainly argue that anyone who charged the police, with a weapon of any kind, was committing a crime.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 05:24:47 AM PDT

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            •  The laborers had grievances and in lieu of (0+ / 0-)

              dialogue... the iron fist of police and deadly weapons were put into the faces of these workers who have legitimate claims.

              They asked for better working conditions, they didn't ask for deadly bullets sent as a response to those requests.

              That some of the workers armed themselves (or undercover agit provocateurs) is nothing new.

              The sheer horror in that heavy-handed response was disproportional. No excuses.


              In my honor he pulled out old forgotten dignity and walked straight in a crooked world. ~~poetry of young Barack Obama

              by bronte17 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 at 11:33:49 AM PDT

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  •  That is an edited video. My impression of the (1+ / 0-)
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    first out video was that the cops were scared (no, not like Kent State, but really scared) and had a few running away from the strikers.  And the video showed they were being charged at by the strikers.  And then I read about the violence (claimed) that had been committed by the strikers. It also appeared that the cops were widely scattered and caught off guard by the charge.  It was a horrible tragedy but the video I saw presented too many unanswered questions that left it up in the air as to whether the killings were deliberate or reactionary.  I was already upset about the situation before viewing the video so was surprised at how counter-indicative the video was to how it was being portrayed.

    I don't mean to start an argument seeing as how I need to go to bed now, but that's how this anti-policepowerstate saw it.

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