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It's fairly obvious if you think about it.

As Scott Wooledge expertly points out on today's front page the Republican Party has embraced being A Deluded Cult trying to take over an Imaginary America

As Pope Buck I details, the Invisi-Obama Attack is actually a wide open window to the Right-Wing Psyche.

When we peel back what is being revealed here, it leads us to only one conclusion, only one understanding of why it is they can't seem to see President Obama as the person he is.  They can only see him as a mad composite of Kenyan Anti-Colonialist, Muslim, Communist, Socialist, Terrorist-Sympathizer, Witch-Doctor and America Hating Radical who just happens to be living the American Dream in the process.

And there's a reason why.

I came upon it accidentally when one commenter asked this in my rec'd Dinesh D'Souza Diary.



When and where have they even witnessed Obama ANGRY????

Let alone enraged?

Seriously.  This guy is ALWAYS cool as a cucumber.


These people believe what they want to believe.

But why do they want to believe he's enraged?  I really don't understand this

Without any analysis I responded with...

they can't imagine an aware thinking black man who isn't internally consumed with a burning seething rage at what America has done, and is still doing via profiling, voter suppression et al, to black people.   They know history, they know what their. party stands for, it's an expression of their own unending guilt.

After writing that it occurred to me, that I was probably more right than even I realized when I typed it.

While debating Bill Maher, D'Souza claimed that the reason who can't see Obama Angry is because - "it's subliminated".

There’s Clint Eastwood rage –Dirty Harry– and then there’s Charles Bronson rage … vigilante rage. It’s a different kind of rage. It’s sublimated –and you see it in action. Let’s take an example: You had health care.
Ok, so the reason you can't see him angry - the reason he rarely losses his cool, is really just because he's keeping his rage inside.

So the congenial, calm, polite, studious and graceful man that we see in the White House - is simply an Act.

No Black Man in America could possibly be that calm, cool and collected - that reflective - after what America has done to Black Men.

This is a view we can see on full display through that Living Walking Full-Sized Unrestrained Pile of Repulican ID - Steve King - explaining why Ethnic Studies are BAD!

I went to the Iowa State website and [...] I typed in “multicultural” and it came back to me, at the time, 59 different multicultural groups listed to operate on campus at Iowa State. It started with Asians and it ended with Zeitgeist, so from A to Z, and most of them were victims’ groups, victimology, people that feel sorry for themselves and they’re out there recruiting our young people to be part of the group that feels sorry for themselves.
Ignoring the fact that King was most likely LYING about what he found on the Iowa State webside, I'm sorry, but why exactly should Asians feel "sorry for themselves"?  Aren't they doing exactly what the Republicans claim they should doing with their "We Built That" meme as small business owners?

What exactly are they a "victim" of - and who exactly made them victims?

Could it be the internment of the Japanese Americans during WWII?

Could it be decades of fear-mongering over the Yellow Peril?

You can't be a victim unless someone has Victimized You!  And just who might that have been, hm?

Why might an American Indian be angry at America?

In 1838 and 1839, as part of Andrew Jackson's Indian removal policy, the Cherokee nation was forced to give up its lands east of the Mississippi River and to migrate to an area in present-day Oklahoma. The Cherokee people called this journey the "Trail of Tears," because of its devastating effects. The migrants faced hunger, disease, and exhaustion on the forced march. Over 4,000 out of 15,000 of the Cherokees died.

During the 1970's the American Indian Movement staged a Domestic Uprising and implemented an Occupation of Alcatraz Island

To be honest with you, nobody - but nobody - has been more FUCKED by America than the people of our First Nations.  It's not even a contest.  They've had lots of reasons to be pissed off.

You don't think Mexicans still have a bone to pick with American after the Mexican-American War?  You don't think they still have tiny, teeny little problem with the fact that before that war California, Arizona and New Mexico - Were Part of Mexico!.

There are some Mexican-American families that have been here longer than there's Been an America!

And then of course, there's Black People.

To make this simple - let's just consider Slavery a given.  We know it happened.  We all know it sucked.  But I'll tell you, speaking as a Black man, the thing that really pisses me off is fact that Slavery never really ended.

Ever read the 13th Amendment all the way through?  Here it is.

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
So we don't have Slavery anymore, except that we do - for anyone convicted of a crime.

And then you wonder why we seem to have this completely disproportionate situation with Black Men and our criminal justice system.  Racial Profiling.  Racial Bias in Sentencing.  Driving While Black. Laying on the ground handcuffed while Black. Sitting in the back of a squad car after being searched twice and again, handcuffed while Black. Trying to get into YOUR OWN HOUSE when the door is stuck while Black. Walking home from 7-11 with a Skittles and Ice T while Black.

And those persons - who are lucky enough to survive and are merely convicted - lose their right to vote.  Sometimes forever.

But then so do people lose their ability to vote if they work and can't get time off, unless they have access to weekend early voting. Or they can legally get registered to vote. Or they can have their vote accurately counted by a electronic voting machine.  Or they don't have a government photo ID.

We thought Jim Crow and Poll Taxes were over.  Apparently they're not. We thought wrong.

And on of all top of that you have this...

The NAACP, whom Newt Gingrich feels he needs to lecture about getting Black People jobs was created to stop the above.  Also notice that the picture in the upper right hand corner isn't from rhe 30's, or the 40's or the 50's - that was from 1981.  That was a major case for the Southern Poverty Law Center.

If you're not pissed about all this by now - you're not paying attention.

And the thing is the Republicans know all this.  They know what their policies have done, and are doing to vulnerable racial minorities.  They know that most minorities know it too.

The thing is, most people, especially minorities, have long ago learned not to linger on their anger.  They've learned to turn the shitty hand they've been dealt into fertilizer.  Asians have learned this.  Native Americans are beginning to thrive.  Latinos are growing into a powerful portion of our economic fabric.  Black people have pioneer most of America's musical culture from Ragtime to Jazz to Blues to Rock n' Roll to Funk to R&B to Gospel to Disco to Hip Hop, and in many ways are become more and more upwardly mobile in all elements of our society despite the roadblocks and challenges placed before them.

President Barack Obama is shining example of this spirit to overcome.

But In the dead of night, when their alone with their own thoughts and they have no one around to pretend to, no one to lie too, Republicans can't possibly imagine that there's a self-respecting minority person in the country who isn't Pissed as Hell about all of this above.  Even if they have managed to succeed, they have to be still secretly angry about it all and to be perfectly honest there are many that probably are.

The question is: what do you do with that anger? Do you strive to lash out at those who you feel caused it, or do you strive to make things better for everyone?

Republicans can only see option one - they can only see Obama as taking angry revenge on the people who implemented all the above which would be (Mostly) Right-Wing Conservatives - they don't believe he might choose option two, they can't even imagine it.

And that's IMO the dark and fevered part of their imagination where Angry Invisi-Obama comes from.  He comes from their own Shame, Guilt (and a Healthy Dose of Irrational Fear).


Originally posted to Vyan on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 06:36 PM PDT.

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    •  Nothing worse in their eyes. You cannot make him (14+ / 0-)

      angry. What's the old saying.. don't get angry, get even. That is what really scares the shit out of them.

      if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

      by mrsgoo on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 11:51:36 PM PDT

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      •  They're scared. Period. It's endemic. (10+ / 0-)

        It goes with their make-up.  Self-centered people view people, including themselves, as organisms that respond to prompts.  They have no initiative; don't see themselves as acting spontaneously or autonomously.
        The actor and acted upon are one and the same in this scenario.
        Maybe we need another word for "victim" because the victim is an object that is acted upon negatively. Objectivism combines the subject and object so every individual, in being a responsive being, is responsible for whatever happens.  Individuals are isolates whose behavior is perhaps most similar to a sunflower growing to face the sun. There is no intelligent direction.  There is speech, but the speech is just a repetition of stuff that's been heard or read. It comes out as it went in, without any processing in between. Perhaps it's because there is no processing that the memory seems quite prodigious and we take that as a sign of intelligence.
        It's not -- just as Google is not intelligent.

        We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 02:37:08 AM PDT

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    •  And that's why they hate him even more ... (16+ / 0-)

      I had problems with somebody once when I was much younger. I asked my mother, why this particular woman hated me, and my mother said, "Because you forgave her."

      Isn't that what Christianity teaches?

      The Republican Party that has become a faith-based Party, is consumed with hate for a man who forgives them for hating him.

      “Mitt Romney is the only person in America who looked at the way this Congress is behaving and said, ‘I want the brains behind THAT operation.’ ” — Tom Perriello

      by hungrycoyote on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 01:47:17 AM PDT

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      •  This is not new. (8+ / 0-)

        Jesus of Nazareth said, "forgive them, for they know not what they do."

        They know not; they are clueless.  But, cunning and deceptive and ruthless, as are other predators. The difference is that natural predators do not prey on their own kind.

        We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 02:40:08 AM PDT

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        •  Hmmmm.... (3+ / 0-)
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          I agree with you 99.5% of the time, but not on this....

          They know not; they are clueless.
          I believe they know exactly what they're doing.
          They've formed another type of victim's Steve King stated....
          ....victims’ groups, victimology, people that feel sorry for themselves and they’re out there recruiting our young people to be part of the group that feels sorry for themselves.
          The victim's group in this case is old white guys who feel very sorry for themselves that the world is changing and they will not be the 'lord high masters of all they oversee' any more.  In addition to being really, really pissed about this, they're scared as hell about it.  In their anger and fright they can only relegate 'minorities' (which is actually a misnomer because black, brown and yellow peoples are not in the minority in the world and are becoming 'not in the minority' in the US) to a mean-spirited and dishonest (as well as disgusting) stereotype.  
          They can't believe one of 'them' or 'that one' can be every bit as smart, savvy, congenial, calm, polite, studious, and graceful (and who has a far keener sense of humor) as they are.  It galls them that he's everything they strive for and, in many of their cases, haven't attained.
          They have to demean him and by doing that they can keep all the other 'minorities' in their place.  And they love the dumbing down of America with low information, willful ignorance, racism and bigotry.
          They aren't clueless, they know exactly what they're doing.
          It's the last gasp of a dying obsolete behemoth, and it isn't pretty.

          I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

          by Lilyvt on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:06:28 AM PDT

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          •  I do not think these people think (0+ / 0-)

            in the sense of being self-reflective, looking at their own behavior objectively.
            What they are doing is destructive and self-defeating, which, IMHO, is why the seven deadly sins are called that. Instinct elevated into obsession becomes destructive:


            When their attitude towards the female of the species is added in, it makes no sense.

            We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

            by hannah on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 09:13:54 AM PDT

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        •  That's why the name "Jesus" is (0+ / 0-)

          the theme of every negro spiritual.

          "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

          by GenXangster on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:52:38 AM PDT

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      •  This... (4+ / 0-)
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        "The Republican Party that has become a faith-based Party, is consumed with hate for a man who forgives them for hating him."
        ...should be a sig line.

        "The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged. And no one seems to notice. No one seems to care." George Carlin

        by ATFILLINOIS on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 06:39:19 AM PDT

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      •  Just what I was thinking (1+ / 0-)
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        If the "Angry Racists" Really practiced their faith, they would understand, that (afaik)  the ONLY path to sanity and happiness when you have been violently abused/oppressed is to take the high road.. whatever you call it, and different spiritual practices have many names: forgiveness, charity, detachment,lovingkindness, or "the middle path" ... or simply love..

        I know after being raped, this was my path to peace. A daily practice of lovingkindess towards myself and the world.  Ironically forgiveness is not really about the other person, its about freeing yourself.

        in my mind that is not to say that you completely lose touch with the source your anger. You don't erase what you have learned about life from experiencing acts of cruel power.  But you let it motivate you to be strong, not to commit acts of vengeance.

        That's love to me. That's "Christian Love" that I see very little evidence of from the haters.. and I'm Jewish :)

        "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics" - F.D.R.

        by biscobosco on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 08:37:14 AM PDT

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    •  One of my favorite quotes (4+ / 0-)

      "People will sometimes forgive you the good you have done them, but seldom the harm they have done you."
      --Somerset Maugham

    •  that's why they deny (1+ / 0-)
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      he's christian, he can love his enemy and they can't.   Damned, they are damned and they hate him for it.

  •  Invisi-Obama's Anger (33+ / 0-)

    is really their own, misguided, uneducated fears, perpetuated and obfuscated by horror stories and fantasies spun around them by corporate propagandists.

    Ascribing guilt feelings to them, that they secretly feel guilty about what the white man has done throughout America's history (to Native Americans and Mexicans, for example) is giving them far too much credit for having any sense whatsoever. They have none, if they've fallen for the likes of Rush Limbaugh.  Some people are simply way too gullible to snake-oil salesmen.

    It has been ever thus. I dunno, maybe I'm mis-understanding your premise here. But this was my first consideration--maybe if our education system hadn't been decimated over the last forty years, I could give these folks some credit for feeling guilty about the past. But a lot of them don't know their history, period--how could they possibly feel guilty about any of it?

    It is time to #Occupy Media.

    by lunachickie on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 06:51:59 PM PDT

    •  We said the same thing, almost, see below (3+ / 0-)
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      Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

      by J Edward on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 06:53:32 PM PDT

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      •  I honestly wonder (17+ / 0-)

        if some of them are pissed off because they simply don't know how to be anything else on top of the fact that they feel persecuted. They don't know why they feel that, mind you, they just do.

        Case in point: my bagger brother. A lot of our "political discussions" (if you could call them that) tend to end with him saying "Well, I can't help it if I'm not as smart as you are~I don't have a college degree..." The jaw-dropping irony here is his daughter--my niece--has a college degree--and she thinks the same way he does. It's just sad.

        That's all I have when I think about it...a burning sadness. How in the name of all that is holy do we all come from the same family...?

        It is time to #Occupy Media.

        by lunachickie on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 06:59:36 PM PDT

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        •  I got a weird comment like that from my sister (9+ / 0-)

          a few months ago. She, a conservative fundamentalist with a degree, and me a liberal with some advanced degrees. I was picking up my niece (15 years old) at her house for a fun day trip we were going on. As she walked us out to the car she said in a light hearted, but nervous way, "Now sis, the only rule I have is no political discussions. I told her (my niece) that if you tried to talk politics with her, just to say, 'Oh, Aunt Wendy, you're so much smarter than me. Let's talk about something else."

          What?? First of all, I don't even know where to begin with that,so I just smiled and got in the car. Second, she's using my relative smarts against hers to support the party of misogyny, bigotry, and ignorance? She's admitting that if she just researched the issues more and became more educated on them, that she's scared at what she'd find.

          I don't get that thinking.

          "At stake are not just the details of policy, but fundamental principles of social justice and the character of our country." ~Sen. Ted Kennedy

          by Wendy in FL on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 03:59:42 AM PDT

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    •  IMO they are mostly Shame-Based (23+ / 0-)

      in their response, Guilt and then Fear - as triggered by the reptilian brain come next, but to be honest  this really calls for a thorough and in depth, broad psychological study to into the nature of widespread political self-delusion to fully suss it out.

      •  I think you give them, or a lot of them, too much (14+ / 0-)

        credit.  I'm sure there are some folks that are ashamed, but I think the politicians are afraid because they know what they've done.  They know that they are guilty of economically, politically, and physically harming marginalized people and they assume that if they lose their place in power that the same thing will happen to them.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 07:34:21 PM PDT

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        •  Neither guilt nor shame... (7+ / 0-)

          ....both of which assume far too much awareness on the part of these people.

          Instead, I think it's their way of resolving cognitive dissonance.

          Let's start with the observable fact: certain groups of people are treated as if they were inferior to other groups. This is done in an obvious and systematic way. It demands an explanation.

          Now, you can easily justify treating people badly if you are convinced that they deserve it. So, the immediate human impulse, at least in an unreflective individual, is to assume that if someone is in a lesser position or being treated badly, it is because they deserve it. This also ties into the need for most people to believe that the universe is basically just, that "good" deeds (which most will identify with "my" deeds) will be reliably rewarded, and that "my" group is better than other groups.

          It's just the shortest road to a comfortable mental state -- intellectual laziness.

          "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

          by sagesource on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 09:50:34 PM PDT

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        •  Projection... (5+ / 0-)

          that if the playing field was leveled, the people they victimize will be just as cruel and exploitative to them and THEY'LL end up enslaved. I've never heard the words "white slavery" tossed around so much as when the president was a black man.

          And notice how "slavery" is the one word that requires a white modifier. The word "slavery" by itself is presumed a black thing. Everything else about us requires the word "black" in front of it; like Black History, whereas, "American" history or "history" is presumed to be about white people.

          Words and labels are powerful and telling. They tell us a lot about the functions of our collective mentality as a nation.

          "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

          by GenXangster on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 08:03:24 AM PDT

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      •  There are studies that show the more (12+ / 0-)

        fearful Americans are, the more likely they are to vote Republican.

        •  That's a study I'd like to see (1+ / 0-)
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          because it wouldn't surprise me if there are times when democratic voters are more fearful. Like when wingnuts are in power.

          There are two types of republicans, the rich and the stupid. The rich ones strive to keep the stupid ones stupid and the stupid ones strive to keep the rich ones rich.

          by frankzappatista on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 09:02:19 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, Fear inside (2+ / 0-)
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          Anger outside

          You can mask personal fears and vulnerabilities that are the real cause of your upset, by attributing your anger to something outside of you. You can always tell when this is the situation on hand. The event that angers the person doesn’t justify the intensity of the anger. Something else must be going on here. Also, if you confront the angry person, as to the reason(s) for his anger, you won’t get a straight answer, even if you do get an apology. You may think he is being difficult. But, really, he’s protecting himself from the shame and embarrassment of being exposed

          "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics" - F.D.R.

          by biscobosco on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 12:51:09 AM PDT

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      •  I think Pride is lurking in there too (7+ / 0-)

        You could also call it stubbornness, but people are loathe to intellectually challenge the institutional thinking they acquired, usually at a young age, from their family, church, and community at large. I notice this all the time since I moved to Texas from the West Coast -- people suspicious of those who are educated who might dare to question the status quo, people who are TRULY proud of their ignorance. People who stand pat with their racism because if it were right to think otherwise well by god grandpappy would have told them so. To question their homophobia or the way they throw their beer cans in the river isn't so much an indictment of their education or intelligence so much as it is impugning their family and cultural heritage, which is much, much worse, like suggesting they were conceived with weak sperm. Anyway, I'm not sure Fear or Guilt adequately  explain this...

        There are two types of republicans, the rich and the stupid. The rich ones strive to keep the stupid ones stupid and the stupid ones strive to keep the rich ones rich.

        by frankzappatista on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 08:56:37 PM PDT

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    •  Vyan has spelled out in detail (12+ / 0-)

      why the oppression of people of color in this country is undeniable- and that's on top of the obvious. The rage of these guys has an intensity usually connected with unconscious processes- primary process, which tends to short circuit rational thought. This is how a guy can be a functioning lawyer/businessman/accountant and still believe Limbaugh.

      The founding fathers knew of the mutually corrupting influences of Church and state, wisely sending them to opposite corners.

      by emidesu on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 07:02:34 PM PDT

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    •  I don't see it as guilt in the sense that they (19+ / 0-)

      feel any remorse for what they have done, although I think that's there sometimes, but guilt as in they know they did these things.  They know they are guilty of supporting and perpetuating a racist system so that they can retain power.  They are afraid because they think that multiculturalism is just a guise to punish white people and men, etc. because that's what they do.  They assume that everyone is just as bad as they are, just as angry and violent as they are, just as petty as they are.

      There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 07:04:37 PM PDT

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    •  And a lot of it comes back to how they judge (13+ / 0-)

      themselves and how they're taught God judges them.

      They believe in a vengeful God who will throw them in a pit of eternal fire if they don't do the right thing. If you believe that, and you're trying to be good, but it's impossible, you live in that fear. The fear makes you judge yourself harshly. (If God thinks you suck, you must really suck.)

      And it's an all-knowing, all-seeing God, so you don't get away with anything. So you have fear and constant surveillance and always falling short, and you get to be someone who's scared and then angry. You start being angry with yourself and judging yourself so harshly, pretty soon you judge everyone else harshly, too, and you're really angry at them.

      Big thing -- you want them to be punished. They are bad, and the bad are supposed to be punished.

      Want to freak out and really piss off a Southern Baptist? Tell him or her there is no hell. They freak. They're outraged.

      If all of us bad people aren't going to be punished in the eternal pit of fire, then they've wasted their whole lives trying to be good and instead being scared and being mad.

      •  Ha! I have said for years that while I do not (2+ / 0-)
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        believe in Heaven, I truly hope there is a Hell. Some people just deserve to go there. And no, I'm not Southern Baptist.

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        by mrsgoo on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 11:58:41 PM PDT

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    •  I'd say it's unmitigated terror (8+ / 0-)

      from knowing what they deserve. They know that if they were in the same place as America's rising minorities, they'd be killing somebody's ass.  They lack any creativity.  They can't imagine anyone making a different choice than they themselves would make because to do so would result in self indictment.  So, they are trying to destroy any opportunity their real victims have of getting the the revenge these bigots so vividly imagine.  

      I think that scenario is true for conservative white Americans but it sure as hell doesn't explain this child of Goa, colonized by a country far cruder and more vicious than England, Portugal.  D'Sousa is a Goan Catholic., a truly confused collection of people.  D'Sousa is a anthropology researcher's dream

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      by tikkun on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 08:08:53 PM PDT

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      •  Another Kossack, sidnora, was just (2+ / 0-)
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        telling me about them the other day because I couldn't understand why that idiot Dinesh D'Souza seemed to have an issue with anti-colonialist thinking while he was accusing Obama of being influenced by anti-colonialism because his father was Kenyan. A father, mind you, that didn't even see the boy Barack but once or twice in his life.

        That made me focus on Dinesh. He appears to be Indian and has an Indian name (except for that strange, European-sounding last name) so is this prick trying to say he has an issue with Gandhi? What a sellout! I couldn't understand this guy. Then sidnora told me all about the Goan Catholic thing. Eureka!

        I don't know much about the history of India (obviously) but there was something fucked up and privileged and brain washed lurking beneath D'Souza's commentary. Indians that have to deal with people like that have all my sympathy because it's like dealing with black "conservatives".

        "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

        by GenXangster on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 08:23:52 AM PDT

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        •  I think it's called (2+ / 0-)
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          Identification with the aggressor... Something like Stockholm Syndrome .

          If you grow up looking around and seeing only victims and aggressors, you unconsciously decide to pick the "winning side."

          Likewise, why on earth would women be members of the current Republican Party, which values the life of a 6-week embryo more than it does theirs?

          "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics" - F.D.R.

          by biscobosco on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 09:08:10 AM PDT

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        •  Actually the European Last Name Isn't Unsual (1+ / 0-)
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          Many Indian Christians from lower casts took European last names.  Christianity appealed to lower cast Indians because it was a way out of the lock a rigid caste system placed on their lives.

          Newt 2012. Sociopath, adulterer, hypocrite, Republican.

          by tikkun on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 12:21:10 PM PDT

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  •  There is the McClean model of the mind (6+ / 0-)

    That says we have 3 brains, 1 reptilian, 2 old mamilian and 3 new mamilian.  Rational thinking only occurs in the new mamilian brain or the frontal lobes.  When people are stuck in the old mamilian brain they are motivated by primitive fears of anything new and can only respond with anger.  Fear and anger shortcircuits rational thought as they project their internal fears and conflicts onto the people they see as "others".  Think of the evolution sceen in 2001, one band of apes uses newly invented weapons to attack an identical band of apes, forget that it is a big world and friends are good to have, kill them.   Baggers have evolved little beyond those apes.  Baggers trying to understand Obama is like monkeys on monkey island at the zoo trying to understand zoo visitors.  They know nothing about his thinking but show their own primitive minds through what they project.  Beck is a great example of this process.

    Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

    by J Edward on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 06:52:09 PM PDT

  •  i also have to think (31+ / 0-)

    that their inability to rattle him, makes them feel small.  like, with all they have said and done about/to him, he should be angry because, well, THEY would be. and the fact that he is unemotional makes them frustrated. i learned early, you can't fight apathy. so they've projected their anger on him...probably.

    "What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say"~Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by 73rd virgin on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 06:54:11 PM PDT

  •  This is a great analysis. (14+ / 0-)

    I'm interested, with trepidation, about what happens come November.  I am fairly certain that Obama is going to win, at least that's my view.  After that, the wingnuts are first gonna blow a gasket, then realize it's four more years of Obama.  When their communist black helicopter apocalypse fails to materialize, they're gonna be left with their sad, enraged, paranoid fantasies and no one to listen.  Glenn Beck is history, but he blazed for an all too long while.  Here's hoping the Tea Party joins that compost bin of history.

    Proud to be a Truth Vigilante

    by Calvino Partigiani on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 06:54:35 PM PDT

  •  Because They Don't See Him At ALL. (17+ / 0-)

    None of them has ever watched or heard syllable he has to say.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 06:57:48 PM PDT

  •  I hear you. (4+ / 0-)

    "Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan” is an anagram for “My ultimate Ayn Rand Porn."
    by Thoughtcrime, from Balloon Juice

    by smileycreek on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 07:07:17 PM PDT

  •  I've always found the Movement Conservative (38+ / 0-)

    notion that native American history, or women's studies, gay and lesbian studies, and ethic studies, especially African-American or Latino History courses, are fundamentally courses in victimology to be especially pernicious.

    The atrocities and abuses and deaths happened. From the Triangle Shirtwaist fire to the Trail of Tears. To a whole lot of people who don't look like Dan Quayle or have George W. Bush's pedigree.

    It's not people of color, or women, or gays and lesbians who need to 'get over it'. Conservatives who don't want to read or hear another word about slavery are the ones who need to get over it.

    It happened. Lynching. Treaties not being worth the paper they were printed on. Chinese Exclusion Act. Eugenics. Jim Crow laws. Women not being allowed to vote. It's American history. All of our American history. Studying it, and trying to find meaning and truth in it, is important. Vital.  

    Movement Conservatism, as we know it, is fundamentally grounded in resentment and victimization. X stole Y 'from us'. A is stealing B 'from us'.
    'From us' most often being wealthy white people, but for the sake of useful idiocy they let poor and middle class white people in on the collective grousing to keep them from noticing that they are being fucked by the people lying to them about people they don't know.

    Movement Conservatism champions revisionist history for this reason. Second only to books on how liberalism is about to destroy the free world or hand everything over the boogeyman of the moment, re-writing history is a key cottage industry of wingnut welfare imprints.

    Every great challenge or moment in our nation's history now has somebody or a team of somebodies from the Heritage Foundation, or the Manhattan Institute, or CATO, or the American Enterprise Institute trying to find a way to make that history fit a Movement Conservative narrative as neatly as they can. Wingnut welfare history books are monuments to an American history that never happened, but, boy oh boy, does somebody taking money from the Koch Brothers crowd wish it were so, so, it's so.

    There is nothing more dangerous to Movement Conservatism than actual history taught without the soothing and reassuring filter of the conqueror's, or the powerful's, or even the majorities, filter.

    You can't claim that Martin Luther King Jr. was, in fact, a Movement Conservative himself if your audience has taken an African-American history class dealing with the Civil Rigthts era with an open mind.

    Considering that Movement Conservatism, itself, is fundamentally about victimhood. About how rich and powerful white people in positions of influence and control are always, always the real victims in American society.

    But Movement Conservatism is also about projection.

    They freely project their issues, their fears, their flaws, and their insecurities onto others. I've seen the Tea Party up close. I went to Searchlight Nevada back when they tried to thug Harry Reid in his hometown. Saw the professionally printed signs of Barack Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose. Every damned minute I was there there was some thuggish visual reference to the President of the United States as a person of color whose greatest sin was that he didn't 'know his place'.

    That is exactly why we need an honest and unvarnished look at ourselves and our history as Americans. From many perspectives.

    It's 2012. And the first President of Color's greatest sin is that 'he didn't know his place' to angry resentful mobs of people who didn't vote for him, so, they can't imagine he got the job legitimately or that he isn't a hood or a thug because that is all they can see a black man as in their impotent anger and rage at his election.    

    President Barack Obama is not the strawman hooligan slick they can't not imagine him as. He never was, and he never will be.

    Frankly, the Movement Conservative Right is really the most fucking lucky of all that he's not the person they say he is.


    I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

    by LeftHandedMan on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 07:12:14 PM PDT

  •  Just read this link (29+ / 0-)

    to a Parade interview where Obama talks about race:

    Q; If you were female, we would ask, "How has being female affected your ability to govern?" So, how has being black affected your ability to govern?

    PO: I’m sure it makes me more determined in assuring that everybody’s getting a fair shot—in the same way that being a father of two daughters makes me want to make sure that every woman is getting equal pay for equal work, ’cause I don’t want my daughters treated differently than somebody else’s sons. By virtue of being African-American, I’m attuned to how throughout this country’s ­history there have been times when folks have been locked out of opportunity, and because of the hard work of people of all races, slowly those doors opened to more and more people. Equal opportunity doesn’t just happen on its own; it happens because we’re vigilant about it.

    How many people can take this point of view?  No wonder their suppressed guilt is gnawing them to pieces from the inside out.

    "Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan” is an anagram for “My ultimate Ayn Rand Porn."
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    by smileycreek on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 07:15:37 PM PDT

  •  I'd be careful (2+ / 0-)
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    with all this.  We too see what we want to see.  As an idea, I think its fine, and makes sense.   As a rationale, I'm not so sure.

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    by Timothy L Smith on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 07:18:30 PM PDT

  •  They are the party of projection (7+ / 0-)

    They either can't fathom that people aren't looking to pay rich white men back like for like , or they live in constant fear of it or both. But lacking any evidence of that intent, they project it on to everyone else, especially the President.

    How dare he PWB? Presidenting While Black.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 07:22:49 PM PDT

  •  I think you're almost right (6+ / 0-)
    where Angry Invisi-Obama comes from.  He comes from their own Shame, Guilt (and a Healthy Dose of Irrational Fear).
    This 42 year old man feels shame and guilt over what my ancestors did in the name of their white skin, but I don't feel an irrational hatred or fear of any black man.

    Instead, it has a lot to do with putting some people in their place.  America was built for white people.  To a lot of them, if they can't be better off, then they damn sure don't want no minority/woman/gay/lesbian to be better off instead.  And I would agree, except my solution is to try to make everyone better off, and their's is to burn America to the ground.

    Occupy the voting Booth!

    by anonevent on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 07:30:04 PM PDT

    •  Except... you recognize your feelings (4+ / 0-)

      which makes it altogether different. You have no need to project them onto anyone else.

      The founding fathers knew of the mutually corrupting influences of Church and state, wisely sending them to opposite corners.

      by emidesu on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 09:34:01 PM PDT

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    •  That's odd. (5+ / 0-)

      How can you feel shame or guilt over things that you did not participate in, did not approve, and do not try to hide? Ashamed of your race, quite apart from what you may have done or not done? That makes no sense at all, and tends to validate one of the primary false assumptions of racism, that race itself is determinative of a person's quality.

      The crimes of the past have consequences that have lasted into the present, that is true. And you might feel shame or guilt if you accepted these unfair advantages or didn't believe that the playing field should be levelled. But from what you say, I doubt that to be the case.

      Don't waste time luxuriating in guilt for what others did without your knowledge or permission. Spend it working to correct their errors and the after-effects of those errors.

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 10:04:11 PM PDT

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      •  Because we white folks still benefit (5+ / 0-)

        from those things.  That's where the sense of guilt comes from.  And because there are still things being done that benefit us.

        There revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 01:09:48 AM PDT

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        •  I believe I covered that. (0+ / 0-)

          And that is not being ashamed of your race, but of your society. And the shame is still a pointless self-indulgence. If something is unfair, work to correct it.

          "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

          by sagesource on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 11:12:34 AM PDT

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      •  Easy: The same way we take pride (1+ / 0-)
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        I had nothing to do with putting a man on the moon--- I wasn't even born yet.  I had nothing to do with 'saving democracy' in the World Wars, or rebelling from the yoke of colonial oppression, or crushing the Confederacy, inventing the Internet and rock n' roll, and so on.

        But as an American, do I take pride in these things that other Americans did?  Yes, I do.  I happen to be normal in this regard:  Pride in things you had nothing to do with is a major part of group identity in humans.

        It's not just for nationalities, either.

        As the descendant of German immigrants, I take pride in their tenacity to leave their home behind and try to farm the wind-swept plains of West Texas.  As the descendant of Kiowa indians, I take pride in their tenacity to defend themselves against whites and other tribes.  As a union member, I take pride in the fights and accomplishments of those that came before me.  As a professor at a university, I take pride when the sports team wins a championship.  

        I could go on. My point is this:  As I take pride in the accomplishments of others via group identity, I must take shame as well.  I am a little embarrassed that my American compatriots destroyed Iraq for no good reason, among many other things. That my Kiowa ancestors' method of adopting children was to kill their families and abduct them.  That other union members were thieving schemers who abandoned their fellow workers.  Were I at Penn State, I would be ashamed of the dirty dealings there.  And so on.

        You can't take credit but not responsibility--- that is for conservatives.  That's why they want to sweep our sordid past under the rug, and why they want to stamp out ethnic studies.   It's in their nature.  But our history isn't just what makes us proud, and these programs are a constant reminder of it.

        Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

        by nominalize on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:08:01 AM PDT

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        •  Rather than feeling Pride in what good was done (1+ / 0-)
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          by others (those of "my group" or "outsiders) I feel Admiration for them.

          Rather than feeling Guilty for acts done by others (my forebears or contemporaries) I feel Contempt toward them.

          In most case, I believe Collective Pride and Collective Guilt becomes a destructive, vicious circle.

          Collective Admiration (rather than Pride) and Collective Contempt (rather than Guilt) often, though not always, leads to a healthier place.

          "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

          by 417els on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 09:20:35 AM PDT

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          •  There's room for all these... (1+ / 0-)
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            Admiration and contempt are externally focused; you admire or hold in contempt someone else.  Pride and shame are things you feel about yourself, so these are complementary emotions.
            (NB: I used 'shame' instead of 'guilt' because it's more accurate.  It's important not to conflate the two, though guilt is also internally focused.)

            Since admiration and contempt are externally focused, they are used with outsiders when you want to diminish the importance of the group or signal that either you or the wrongdoer isn't really in it.  Especially in the case of contempt, where the message is "It wasn't me, it was them." This is common enough (see Penn State, for instance), but you don't really fool anyone, and soon enough you end up at the No True Scotsmen fallacy, and all sorts of other problems.

            That's because when you're interacting with people outside your group, you will be painted with the same brush.  It's the nature of groups.  For instance, to foreigners, an American is an American until proven otherwise.  You can tell people until you're blue that you protested the Iraq War, but you're still an American, and it's still your country that did the shameful deed.  On a smaller level, everyone in town will judge you based on your family's deeds and misdeeds.  Was your brother a football hero?  You will be held in higher regard.  Was your sister a junkie?  You will be suspected of being a junkie, too.  And so on.  

            That's how this group pride and group shame works; the credit or responsibility percolates up from the individuals to the group, and the group shares in pride or shame at the result.  You might say it unfairly strikes at Enlightenment notions of individuality and factual accuracy, and to an extent that is true, notwithstanding the actual extent to which the Enlightenment has actually penetrated in our society.  To another extent, though, when we look at group identity and judgment, we find that group reputation is an important cognitive shortcut whose benefits can outweigh its costs, especially when it's a good reputation. In moderation, at least.

            Conservatives need to realize that their Silent Moral Majority is neither silent, nor moral, nor a majority.

            by nominalize on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 10:24:54 AM PDT

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            •  I understand what you're saying. (0+ / 0-)

              However, I, personally, do not feel pride unless I am somehow involved or have contributed to something being successful.

              Likewise, I don't feel personal shame nor guilt for what my great-great-grandfather did nor didn't do.  I can condemn it or admire it, but I had no part in it nor influence over it.

              You are correct that my admiration and contempt are externally focused because they are external.

              Now, what I, as a person, do or do not do can give me pride as well as guilt/shame.  I have never been much of a 'group' person (expected rituals and ceremonies and assumptions made because of group identity make me uncomfortable) which may be why I feel this way.

              "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

              by 417els on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 01:48:09 PM PDT

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        •  Such a heap of delusions.... (0+ / 0-)

          Let all of them go.

          I was by no means saying you could renounce shame and hold on to pride. That would be unfair and irrational.

          You did not put a man on the moon. You did not immigrate to the United States. You did not participate in the struggle of your First Nations ancestors. You may find these historical experiences instructive, but how can you be proud of them? What right do you have to their deeds, good or evil? You have, literally, no skin in the game.

          On the other hand, as a union member, you can take pride in what your union does, because you are part of it. Without you, what they do would be to a certain extent less effectual. It's quite a stretch to take pride in a sports team if you are a professor at a university, but I suppose one could; the university is a collective accomplishment, and the team has contributed to its good name just as you presumably do with your work, each holding up its part of the whole.

          You said, "you can't take credit but not responsibility." I would agree, but I would add, you can't take either if you are not directly engaged with the source of credit or discredit. This of course includes consequences of past actions that you have no responsibility for. White privilege, for instance, is something that exists in the present as well as the past. I accept a responsibility to deal with its unfair effects in the present, just as I accept a responsibility to deal with any present problem that personally engages me, but I absolutely decline to feel guilt (or pride) about anything that happened in the past, beyond my control, and I consider those who expect such emotions from me to be dishonest and manipulative.

          "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

          by sagesource on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 11:26:39 AM PDT

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  •  I like what you've written (4+ / 0-)

    but I kind of have my own theory: It's their fears based on a sense of scarcity.  They seem to believe there is only so much of everything and if it goes to a minority ~ be they black, brown, female, gay or poor ~ it takes away from them.  Disregarding the fact that it was never available for them in the first place, I believe they feel that if they had really wanted it, they could have gotten it. Instead, someone else - see above list - got there ahead of them and stole it.  Obama is a case in point. Not that they would have been president, but some white guy sure should have been so by a black man taking his spot, they, in a sense, have lost out too.  

    I still haven't figured out where where their sense of entitlement comes/came from ~ but seems to be a common feature.

  •  Great stuff lately, Vyan. Thanks. nt (4+ / 0-)

    Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

    by k9disc on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 08:36:07 PM PDT

  •  I think a lot of their irrational behavior (12+ / 0-)

    stems from the fact that they can't MAKE him angry.  They've thrown everything from a kitchen sink to an unflushed toilet at the man, yet they can't rattle him.  This is literally driving them batshit crazy.

    No matter what they do, no matter what they say, he stays on message.  They post gorilla pictures of him and his family, they insult his mother-in-law, they disrespect his wife, his daughters, and do and say all sorts of vile things, yet he gives them nothing back except the same reasonable, intelligent, calm collectiveness.

    THIS IS WHY THEY'RE INSANE.  They can't get a rise out of him so they make up their own version of him.  It's the only way to keep themselves halfway satisfied.

    “First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win.” ― Mahatma Gandhi

    by WFBMM on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 08:48:58 PM PDT

  •  same with homophobia (7+ / 0-)

    especially with homophobic straight men towards gay men, in my experience it is a palpable fear of being treated like many hetero men treat women - rape, abuse, sexual coercion, objectivization, being looked at that way, etc. - that leads them to project that guilt onto gay men.

    •  Hm.... (4+ / 0-)

      I think cognitive dissonance is in play there too, in an internal script that runs, more or less, "I must be straight because I am good and gays are bad, therefore because I am good, I am not gay." Needless to say, you have to be somewhat insecure about your straightness to have such a script running at all.

      "They smash your face in, and say you were always ugly." (Solzhenitsyn)

      by sagesource on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 10:07:06 PM PDT

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  •  Eh (10+ / 0-)

    You know what bugs me far more than the charicature of the original No-Drama Obama as Angry Black Man?

    That we all supposed to drop our drawers and be so impressed at the Angry Tea Party.  True Americans! Patriots! Organic grass roots blah blah blah, you can tell how real and authentic they are because they are so angry.

    Chaps my hide

  •  dude, if you're gonna quote me, (2+ / 0-)
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    at least print my name.


    and I just read your answer, and it. is. spot. on.

    Had a similar experience with my Dad.  Racism.  Fear.  Guilt.

    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 10:10:17 PM PDT

  •  Eugene Robinson, before the 08 election (2+ / 0-)
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    said that Obama had to be the least angry Black man in America to be elected President.  And he was reared for that by a phenomenal mother.  I've heard that Black leaders in Congress are frustrated that he doesn't get the "slave thing."  Which makes sense, because he is Black, but he has no slave blood in him.  But apparently the least angry Black man in America still is too angry for some.

    Five years after I chose my username, happily living somewhere else.

    by Tenn Wisc Dem on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 10:16:24 PM PDT

  •  Excellent job. Thank you. n-t (3+ / 0-)
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    This better be good. Because it is not going away.

    by DerAmi on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 10:26:40 PM PDT

  •  If they see blacks as animals (1+ / 0-)
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    (remember the two throwing peanuts at the camerawoman), and when you keep poking an animal with a stick (or in this case with disgusting insults) they expect the animal to become angry and attack.

    Perhaps it's not guilt, but the misconception that blacks aren't even human?

    They can't conceive of a black man whose reason is above his animal instinct.

    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 10:35:03 PM PDT

  •  Racist constructs (2+ / 0-)
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    native, kaliope

    like the Eastwood Angry Invisible Obama are an end product of a propaganda campaign that has little to do with race, even though it depends on racist fear and loathing. Remember the "tea party" "movement" is actually an astroturf campaign paid for by Big Pharma and Bid Insurance. Obama presented a challenge to the status quo, as did Hillary Rodham Clinton when she headed the insurance reform effort in the nineties. Just as they ratcheted up fear and loathing against women, to the point of placing blame on HER for her husband having cheated, they are ratcheting up fear and loathing against Obama, predicated on race.

    First part of that effort: attach negative connotations to the name "Obama." They do this by focusing on how "foreign sounding" the name is. Then they created a Bizarro Obama who is History's Worst Monster, sworn to destroy the Constitution (but in a sublimated way) and round up the aged into death panels.

    But at the end of the day, even though racism is apparent among those plying these strategies, the final goal is purely financial: repeal Obamacare. Which itself is code for "roll back protections against denying insurance based on preëxisting conditions." That's what the real end game is. Not a race war, just an attempt to neutralize an opponent who committed the apostasy of showing that profit is not an absolute good.

  •  Excellent Diary (6+ / 0-)

    It's an excellent thing to examine. Why can't they actually see Obama? I think you are really at the crux of an enormous divide in world view in the US.

    Maybe Guilty. But Maybe just AFRAID.  Because the Angry White Racist, Homophobic, Sexist, Climate Change-Denying Men really don't get that anyone could actually  have a different psychological makeup and worldview from them, and not want to obliterate and control them the way they want to obliterate anyone who might challenge their place in the "Hierarchy of Life".

    In their "Invisible Reality" all that exists is just kill or be killed, shit on someone or be shit on. A worldview that Riane Eisler calls the "Dominator" view which:

    describes a system of top-down rankings ultimately backed up by fear or force .. [a] system of authoritarian rule in both the family and the state [including] subordination of women

    Michael Moore had a great section on this in "Bowling for Colombine" - He traces America's love affair with guns with "Fear of the Black Man (and fear of native americans)"

    “A Brief History of the United States of America.”  We see the Pilgrims who were AFRAID of being persecuted.  Off they sail to the New World. But then they were scared of the Natives, and they got scared all over again. “So they killed them all.”  Next they got afraid of each other. Then they burned witches.  Then they killed the British in the Revolutionary War. But they were still afraid.  So here comes the 2nd Amendment, and now every white man can keep his gun.  Here comes slavery.  They kidnap Africans and bring them back for slaves.  And the slaves got no money for their work, and America became rich.  But after 200 years of slavery, the white people became afraid of the black people.  But then Samuel Colt in 1836 patents the first six-shooter, and the white people snatched them up.  But it was too late—the Civil War was over, and the slaves were free.  Now the whites were really afraid.  But the slaves took no revenge.  But there comes the KKK, and in 1871, the same year the Klan became a terrorist organization, another group, the NRA, was founded.  Now politicians passed a law that made it illegal for a black man to own a gun.  Flash forward to 1955, when Rosa Parks wouldn’t move to the back of the bus.  “Then all hell broke loose”-the Civil Rights movement.  White people were so afraid they all fled to the suburbs.  And then they went out and bought millions of guns, locked themselves behind gates and fences, and felt safe and secure.  “And everyone lived happily ever after.”
    Anger is often a mask for fear.

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics" - F.D.R.

    by biscobosco on Sun Sep 02, 2012 at 11:56:39 PM PDT

  •  forced off the sidewalk (6+ / 0-)

    During the 2008 campaign, I heard a white woman on NPR who explained that she was afraid that she would no longer be allowed to walk on the sidewalk, because when she was younger blacks were not allowed to and she expected the same treatment.

    She was both guilty and terrified.

    by chloris creator on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 03:33:33 AM PDT

  •  There's 2 GOPs (0+ / 0-)

    The ones that sell the lies, and the ones that buy the lies.

    Do you think the buyers are feeling guilty? Because I've met some pretty delusional ones.

  •  Audre Lorde (4+ / 0-)

    I used to teach Audre Lorde's "The Uses of Anger" essay to classrooms of predominately white college first-year students.

    The classes would be made up mainly of students who could be described as "liberal," and Lorde's essay is quite temperate in its use of language to describe how anger might be used as an effective tool to create change (something like the diarist's "striving to make things better").

    However, it was always interesting to me that the majority of students would have a very defensive, often negative reaction to the essay. They just couldn't get passed the use of the word "anger" in the title and throughout the essay. For them, "anger" only means rage, so Lorde must be raging at whites (all whites! so, in that sense, the students, too). Even though the essay clearly is not about that, something in the students - some fear, perhaps - was deep-seated enough to cause such strong reactions.

    (To be fair, there were always one or two students - usually young feminists - who really really loved the essay and got turned on to Lorde by it.)

    And my baby's my common sense, so don't feed me planned obsolescence.

    by vadasz on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 05:37:29 AM PDT

  •  They cannot imagine that Obama (1+ / 0-)
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    would pick option 2 because they would never themselves in a million years pick it. Even their alleged Chrisianity is a cover for their rapacious greed. Pretending they believe Christ is the only way they can avoid seeing themselves for what they are.

    Wonderful diary.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 05:53:14 AM PDT

    •  and being "saved" is a wonderful (0+ / 0-)

      excuse for behaving anyway they want, since by being "saved" they are also "forgiven".

      "Mitt Romney has more positions than the Kama Sutra." -- me "Social justice is love, made public." -- Cornel West

      by billlaurelMD on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 08:22:38 AM PDT

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  •  A Very captivating diary (1+ / 0-)
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    Thanks for the insight

  •  There's an additional reason: (5+ / 0-)

    they are conflict-driven people. And nothing drives a conflict-driven person nuts more than when you deny them the conflict they desire.

    So, what you saw Eastwood displaying was not how Obama would actually react to such provocations in real life, but what Eastwood's fantasies of such reactions would be. He needed to do this to an empty chair because the real person in the real chair would never give him the satisfaction of responding in a way that gave him pleasure he seeks -- the satisfaction of blind emotional reaction. And in doing so Eastwood revealed far more about himself (and by extension the Republican id) than Obama with that performance.

    You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

    by kenlac on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 06:33:38 AM PDT

  •  He's much more mature and graceful than I would be (3+ / 0-)
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    JanL, billlaurelMD, Only Needs a Beat

    That's for sure.

    If Obama didn't get Bin Laden because he didn't pull the trigger; then Bin Laden didn't take down the World Trade Center because he didn't fly the planes.

    by Bush Bites on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 06:44:16 AM PDT

  •  Vulcans DON't get angry (0+ / 0-)

    I love how D'Souza pulled this Bronson-esque anger thing out of his anus. It is hopelessly illogical to think that Mr. Spock can't keep his emotions in check. Unless we are talking about alien plant spores that cause him to fall in love w/ Jill Ireland or being in the throes of pon farr once every seven years, the half-human, half-Vulcan always keeps his emotions in check.

  •  There is a piece that is unmentioned (2+ / 0-)

    You repeatedly point out that the Republicans  know that people of color, and indigenous people have been, and are being treated like shit.  

    They do know it.  But it's not necessarily something that is out of spite.

    These are people who have been conditioned to the notion that some people are better than others simply by being born.  

    They don't actually believe that it's hard work that gets you places.  They think they are good because of some innate quality, like race.  

    So when they see that those of color in this country are treated like shit, they assume it's normal.  They think that's the way those type of people are supposed to be treated.  

    Newt is a great example.  He actually has said that the reason he can talk about morality is because he's the only one who can talk about it.  It doesn't matter to him about his immoral history.  He thinks he is somehow innately superior to others, and he therefore he can break the rules while at the same time chiding others to follow them.

    They just think they have been gifted with something better.

    •  They are the elect, like the Calvinist Pilgrims. (2+ / 0-)
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      No need for prayer, good deeds, keeping commandments. there is the elect and the rest of us.

      being the elect, they should be elected.

      "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

      by BlueStateRedhead on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:37:43 AM PDT

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      •  Calvinists didn't think of it first (1+ / 0-)
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        There's been a minority view in Christianity (and, I suppose, most religions, but this one is the best documented) that once you reach a certain level of "perfection" you can do whatever you please, because you are so "perfect". There is said to have been an element of this in Catharism, and it may trace back to and even beyond the Euchites (a 4th century heresy).

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 11:08:40 AM PDT

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  •  Excellent, Vyan. (3+ / 0-)

    Strangely, the pictures of black people hanging by the neck don't make me angry as much as heartbroken. They make me cry. The woman, Laura Nelson, lynched in 1911, looks something like my grandmother. Oh, Jesus...

    This is why black people love Jesus Christ, even me, an atheist. You reach out for comfort in the darkness and Jesus is always there reminding you that bad things happen to good people and it's gonna be alright.

    It's gonna be alright.

    "Nobody knows the troubles I've seen...nobody knows but Jesus...."

    "Steal away to Jesus..."

    "Precious Lord, take my hand, lead me on, let me stand...."

    "Aint gon' study war no more..."

    Barack Obama attended the black church for the Grace that it gives us in the face of horror and hate. Doesn't matter if you believe in God or not, the Grace gets you past these pictures of lynchings and helps you face the world.

    Barack is definitely black. I see what he did there. ;-)

    "It's not enough to acknowledge privilege. You have to resist." -soothsayer

    by GenXangster on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:43:37 AM PDT

  •  once came out of their asses, now the say it:OH (0+ / 0-)

    Repub party chair in OH county who voted against expanded early voting hours

    I  guess I really actually feel we shouldn’t contort the voting process to accommodate the urban — read African-American — voter-turnout machine. Let’s be fair and reasonable.
    Black voting is unfair and unreasonable!

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 07:43:50 AM PDT

  •  Thanks Vyan, so eleoquently put (1+ / 0-)
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    The argument that "Obama's Rage" is really the fear of retribution upon white conservatives for the pain and death they have caused among minorities really makes sense.

    We have wronged you for centuries and we know it. We deserve a terrible punishment and we know it's coming. We are afraid and will try to accuse you of wrongdoing to change the very obvious subject, that white males have subjugated every other group throughout history and now that a black man is President, the fucking chickens are coming fucking home to fucking roost.

    Reverse Racism is a constant theme from this group. Still, I was really shocked by the lame example Dinesh D'Sousa gave for Obama's supposed rage, that he didn't get any votes from Republicans for the ACA. Really Dinesh? That resulted in an a level of undetectable rage in President Obama? Really pathetic, even from Dinesh Denial.

    Try organic food, or as your grandparents called it, food.

    by madame damnable on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 09:35:27 AM PDT

  •  Thanks Vyan (0+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Mon Sep 03, 2012 at 11:57:31 AM PDT

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