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The Romney-Ryan campaign is not letting go of Paul Ryan's repeated claims that President Barack Obama failed in a "promise" to keep the Janesville, Wisconsin, General Motors plant open (and it's not alone; the American Future Fund is also getting in on the act). Now that everyone knows that the plant was closed before Obama was even inaugurated, Romney and Ryan have moved to assailing Obama for not reopening it.

Obama clearly never said "I promise to keep this plant open"—that much is clear from the Romney-Ryan campaign's own video, no matter how many times the video uses the word "promise" to describe his words. But that's not even the most brazen, cynical aspect of the video. Because here's the thing: Obama may not have been able, to this point, to get that GM plant reopened. But at least he wanted to, which is more than you can say about Mitt "let Detroit go bankrupt" Romney.

Because of Obama's actions to rescue the auto industry (and those of George W. Bush before him), more than a million auto industry jobs were saved in 2009 and more than 300,000 in 2010. Since then, the auto industry has added 200,000 jobs, and GM reported record profits in 2011, standing as the world's largest automaker. None of that would have happened if Mitt Romney had his way. All those jobs would have been gone. GM's Janesville plant would still have been gone, but so would all the other auto plants that are still operating, even adding workers. Janesville would also have lost its GM dealership, what with there being no cars to sell. Toledo, Ohio, would not have gained 1,100 jobs at a Chrysler plant. Workers across the Midwest would not have gotten bonus checks.

So even if Barack Obama had promised to keep the Janesville GM plant open—which he did not—it would be breathtakingly dishonest of Mitt Romney's campaign to take him to task for it. But that's how Mitt rolls.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 09:44 AM PDT.

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  •  Have the auto execs who made those record (18+ / 0-)

    profits (and I'm sure hefty bonuses for them) come out on record and thanked Obama and more importantly pledged their support for his campaign? Or are they voting for RMONEY because of promises of little or no taxes?

    Romney's religion is only an issue because he's a high priest in the Church of Mammon.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 09:47:41 AM PDT

  •  Seems to me (25+ / 0-)

    that the only promises broken here were those made by Paul Ryan and Scott Walker to represent the people of Janesville.  It is they who failed to effectively lobby the leadership of GM.  The President did his part helping the entire auto industry.  It is up to the representatives of the area to advocate for their interests.

  •  This is Ryan's Swiftboat issue. (14+ / 0-)

    He's falsely attacking an Obama strength, the rescue of the auto industry and the promotion of higher safety and gas mileage standards, in order to hide his own vulnerability.  
    Where is Ryan vulnerable?  Well, after the plant was shut down, Ryan opposed the extension of unemployment compensation and he opposed the granting of retraining dollars.  I haven't checked all his votes, but the people in Janesville were upset that while he had voted FOR similar programs during Bush/Cheney, when they didn't actually need them, when the were needed, he voted no.

    It's just like Dubya wanting to downplay his lousy military record by having Kerry's war record attacked by people who were initially prepared to attack Kerry on behalf of McCain, whose record as a POW was never entirely supported throughout his career. When McCain stepped back in 2004 he unleashed his buddies on behalf of Bush to defuse the AWOL issue.

    The Swiftboat analogy has been over-used and it often doesn't even apply.  The people who funded the endeavor have other tricks in their kit-bag.  But, I think in this case it is in play.  Ryan knows he's vulnerable in Wisconsin.  That's why he agreed to be the VP candidate.  He's got nothing to lose because his House career is toast.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:13:32 AM PDT

  •  Ryan among his constituents (10+ / 0-)

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:16:52 AM PDT

    •  Wow, great catch. So much for being a (2+ / 0-)
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      OregonWetDog, hannah

      Representative of the People.

      Focus on our family and our friends and have a good time... Oh and that army of people in green Ryan t-shirts?   He is not campaigning.

      I noticed the boos.

      He should be great with the Russians.  "Can you make an appointment with my office so they can tell you to fuck off".

      The Muslim said "I wished I had met Christ before I met the Christians" - Rev. Marvin Winins

      by captainlaser on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:39:06 AM PDT

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    •  Kuddos (2+ / 0-)
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      To you for finding this, and for the local police for respecting first amendment rights!

    •  Wow, thanks hannah! (3+ / 0-)
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      MrJersey, captainlaser, hannah

      Delicious. All the folks here should check this one out. Confronted multiple times by constituents while he stands there doing absolutely nothing, waiting for the Labor Day parade to begin but can't be bothered to answer a question. Just,"now is not the right time" repeated over and over for what must have seemed like an eternity for the li'l young gun. What a pathetic weenie...and this was the "serious thinker" "wonk" that we were supposed to fear? Serious wanker is more like it.

  •  They have nothing. (14+ / 0-)

    They took the President's words completely out out of context and created a whole convention around the twisted words "We Built That."

    And America watched the YouTube video and said, "yeah, you built that lie." The GOP built an invisible convention bounce as a resilt.

    Now they're taking video clips of the "promise" out of context again. The photo of the last car coming off the Janesville line is everywhere on the internet (and the MSM is showing it). And America will respond the same: "yeah, you promised to run a campaign that isnt fact-checked. And here it is."

    They have nothing. After the fact-checkers swarmed the night of Ryan's speech, they should have left this big fat lie in the dumpster. But when you have nothing, including no ethics, but you do have massive ego, I guess you will run lie after lie.

    At this point, though, they're damaging the Ryan brand. So as long as the MSM does its job somewhat, it's not totally a bad thing...

    We can't stop the GOP anyhow. So let them implode some of  their "best talent" and return some money to the economy doing so.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 10:17:26 AM PDT

    •  I would love to see a 30 second ad (1+ / 0-)
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      "Promise Kept" built around the Dec pic of the last car off the assembly line.

      Something like

      The Romney campaign has accused Pres. Obama of doing nothing to keep a GM plant in Janesville, WI, Congressman Ryan's hometown, open. Unfortunately, as the Romney campaign knows, the plant was closed before President Obama was sworn in as President. The president did say he wanted to see plants "like" Janesville" kept open and thru the auto bailout, he did just that. GM, Chrysler, and Ford are retooling and extending shifts as they continue to increase sales and lead the world in auto production.
      Gov. Romney would have let ALL of GM's plants go dark.

      President Obama can be counted on to increase manufacturing in America. Can the same be said of Gov. Romney? Some stat of jobs outsourced shown.

      Today's problems are yesterday's solutions. Don Beck

      by Sherri in TX on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:48:37 AM PDT

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  •  The Romney campaign jumped the proverbial (12+ / 0-)

    shark long ago, and is now jumping guppies, minnows, and tadpoles.

    Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

    by blue aardvark on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:18:50 AM PDT

  •  Repugs keep digging this hole deeper and deeper. (4+ / 0-)
    •  Talking about this plant (8+ / 0-)

      reminds a lot of people that many other plants were saved.

      Besides, these assholes would have let this and every other plant go belly up.  Said so themselves.

      VULTURE/VOUCHER 2012. FUCK YOU, MIDDLE CLASS!

      by GOPGO2H3LL on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:31:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Well, yes. (2+ / 0-)
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        They are ruining their credibility to publicize Obama's biggest single accomplishment.

        "My taxes are of the legally correct height, and the core reason for my campaign is to make them a different, lower height, and it is none of your business what precisely either of those heights might be." Mitt, as channelled by Hunter.

        by Inland on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:41:05 AM PDT

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    •  But it's working. That's what the Democrats (0+ / 0-)

      (not all but some) don't understand.  This crap that the GOP puts out there day in and day out, echoed by the rightwing hate machine on radio and tv, gets through to the people who want to believe with all their hearts.  It's not lies to them, it's gospel.  They have an effective machine that churns this stuff out, and we have to figure out a way to counter or stop it or we're in trouble.  

      I live with my rightwing sister and her extreme rightwing boyfriend.  He's angry most of the time.  Last night he went off just because Michelle Obama was speaking and said things like Obama is a marxist (which I asked him to define which he could not) and then went totally off the wall and said Obama's mother and grandparents hated him.  There is no reason here.  There's just hate bubbling up, festering, and being fed by more hate.  It's a site to behold, and not in a good way.  Stephen King could describe it much better than I can, it's that much of a horror.

      "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

      by AnnieR on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:56:05 AM PDT

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  •  Staggering. (6+ / 0-)

    I suppose that grandiose feats of mendacity have a venerable pedigree in politics.  

    But one would have thought that the interwebs, making factual refutation a snap, would have decreased the practice, but no ... merely, the lies propagate faster and more widely.

    "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

    by lgmcp on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:19:32 AM PDT

  •  Janseville probably in need of (8+ / 0-)

    better representation in Congress.

    Who is the Rep for that district anyhow?

    Notice: This Comment © 2012 ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:21:06 AM PDT

  •  More lies (1+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle

    from the lying twerps romney / ryan.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:25:51 AM PDT

  •  And if Obama HAD kept this invisible promise? (5+ / 0-)

    MARXIST! SOCIALIST! NATIONALIZATION OF THE AUTO INDUSTRY!

    Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

    "...as governor (Mitt Romney) was more interested in having the job than doing it." --Deval Patrick

    by Praxxus on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:26:48 AM PDT

  •  I Get It, But I'm Not (0+ / 0-)

    sure what Willard is whining about.

    his strongest demographic is white men.

    Part of the problem with the Great Recession is it has been very hard on white men. in typical recessions, white men are the last fired and the first hired when the upturn kicks in.

    that's taking wayyyyy too long to happen this time, and white men are ticked off about it. many will vote for Rmoney.. including doofus union members in states like WI-- where we can see they are voting GOP based on the 2010 gubernatorial elections.

    "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:27:06 AM PDT

  •  Smacks of desperation (10+ / 0-)

    I recently saw an interview with several union guys from the Janesville plant who applauded Obama and the auto bailout.  They explicitly said the bailout saved their retirement pensions.  

    Makes for a good 30 second ad.

    •  Good idea. (0+ / 0-)

      (images of Dubya looking like an ass)"And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years." Followed by Rmoney's quote "I'd let them go bankrupt." "I like firing people that work for me." "I'm not that concerned with the middle class." (followed by shots of Rmoney riding his boat and windsurfing)

      Sad fact is that the government of GW Bush DIDN'T support them, or offer the needed assistance and the plant closed. Romney would have let it close and along with it the entire American auto industry. Obama's presidency began too late to save them, but at least he helped guarantee their pensions AND protected their unemployment payments from the Republican "austerity" chopping-block. Far better than they would have faired with Rmoney.

  •  These guys lie like dogs (1+ / 0-)
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    nellgwen

    People, let's get rid of this enthusiasm gap and beat these guys by voting out of office NOW.

  •  you know (4+ / 0-)

    i believe the gop must think they are in worse shape than the polls show by the lies they keep repeating, it doesn't make sense to keep repeating lies that most have debunked unless they are desperate, this is just my opinion but anyone else subscribe to that theory or am i alone on my little island.

    •  You're correct. (2+ / 0-)
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      nellgwen, Matt Z

      These lies reek of desperation, because the downside is that once you've got a reputation as a dirty fucking liar, you're gonna be known as a dirty fucking liar.

      You don't demonstrably lie from a position of strength.

      VULTURE/VOUCHER 2012. FUCK YOU, MIDDLE CLASS!

      by GOPGO2H3LL on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:33:55 AM PDT

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  •  This is like a horror movie. Just when you think (6+ / 0-)

    it's over up pops not just another lie (though those are fast and furious) but the same damn lie you debunked to death just last week.  Frankly I am sick of chasing down all of these lies.  I say let's focus on the lie manufacturers.  Cut off the head of the snake and all that.

    Can we just say that Mitt Romney is a liar, that Paul Ryan is a liar and the two of them are running for a party built on lies?  Anything coming out of their mouths regarding this President, his record and the state of the country are lies.  Brand them as the liars they are and the rest should be simple.  You can't make decisions based on the word of a liar.  It would be pure folly to do so.

  •  You lie your ass off (2+ / 0-)
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    thomask, nellgwen

    when the truth is more damaging, and take your chances.

    The truth is this:  These fuckers want to rob the middle class to line their own pockets.  Well, that's probably an unpopular idea to most folks, so just lie and take your chances.

    If any of us lied like these dicks, we'd be fired.

    The Big Lie is harder to sell when there are pictures disproving it and you have to twist yourself into rhetorical knots trying to sell it.

    VULTURE/VOUCHER 2012. FUCK YOU, MIDDLE CLASS!

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:30:41 AM PDT

  •  Isn't Ryan their Representative? (6+ / 0-)

    He believes states should take care of themselves, but now he's crying that daddy didn't bail him out.

    If anybody failed the people in this town, it's their Rep., Paul Ryan.

    Maybe if he hadn't been so obsessed with women's vaginas for the past 3 years, he could have done something to reopen that plant he whines about now.

    Paul Ryan needs to grow up and stop behaving like a teenager.

    Big Daddy Obama never promised you jack shit, Paul Ryan. He didn't promise you a new car. If you want a new car, stop obsessing over women's private parts and do your job so you can pay for it yourself.

    Stop blaming Big Daddy for your failures, you freaking child.

  •  Romney would have let all of General Motors die. (3+ / 0-)

    The outrageousness of the Romney-Ryan strategy to misrepresent their way into the White House is apparent.

    Here is another more obvious fabrication that Roy Meyers of UMBC commented on for Politifact.

    The Muslim said "I wished I had met Christ before I met the Christians" - Rev. Marvin Winins

    by captainlaser on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:32:22 AM PDT

  •  Maybe people in Janesville just don't know how (0+ / 0-)

    to build cars. They sure don't know how to vote for competence. Maybe they are incompetent themselves and want incompetent representation and leadership. And build bad cars.

    They are easily lied to and that is certain. SEE: Paul Ryan

    Maybe you tell the Janesville auto workers, "put car together" and they car gether put to or to put gether car or something like that.

    Maybe Janesville is what is wrong with the automobile industry in general and Paul Ryan in particular.

    In other words, How long is this idiot going to drag this out?

    Willard! Are you better off now than you were four years ago?

    by Says Who on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:37:19 AM PDT

    •  Maybe their Rep just doesn't give a shit about (0+ / 0-)

      them, failed to protect their plant, and is looking to blame someone else for his failure.

    •  Did Paul Ryan win with 100% of the vote? (1+ / 0-)
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      I think the problem with the cars they were building is that they were building SUVs at the time the economy was crashing and gas prices were going through the roof. That isn't the fault of the workers on the line.

      I don't know what percentage of the vote Ryan got, but I bet he didn't get a lot of votes from the factory workers who lost their jobs when that plant closed.

      Perhaps you should think about that before you start attacking the victims, here.

      It isn't what we don't know that gives us trouble, it's what we know that ain't so. — Will Rogers

      by dconrad on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:54:17 AM PDT

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      •  He is campaigning to Janesville, (0+ / 0-)

        probably to keep his seat as a fallback position.

        This is good news nationally that he's kissing ass at home. And they can have him.

        I think
        I don't know
        I bet
        Perhaps

        whatever,

        Maybe they can't make cars and GM is better without them. √

        He's a liar and I'm not apologizing. We wouldn't have him without them.

        Willard! Are you better off now than you were four years ago?

        by Says Who on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 12:33:11 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  This (1+ / 0-)
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      Says Who

      is totally unnecessary. How dare you blame the workers for the closing of their plant. Don't call them incompetent.

      I sure hope you meant that as snark.

      •  A little bit. (0+ / 0-)

        He is their man, and he stinks as a leader. He is Bush's budget expert. Accessory to a war crime.

        Defend him all you like, he is a menace to America and his constituents foisted him on us seven times already. He's misleading his hometown and its up to them to do better next time, if they can see that he is the one who let a business close in his district.

        He lies about my President. Is that snark?
        I expect him to account for that. No mercy.

        Get it, Janesville?

        Willard! Are you better off now than you were four years ago?

        by Says Who on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 12:41:09 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Since corporations are people, my friend... (2+ / 0-)
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    .....I can see how Mitt doesn't give a gott-damn-in hell about people and their well-being:

    Alas, people are nothing more than legal entities with charters.  Nothing to get personal over, nothing to get upset about, or "move heaven and earth" for.

    In fact, it seems Mitt actually cares more, has more of a feel and a heart for, actual corporations, rather than actual people.

    Aldus Shrugged : The Antidote to Ayn Rand. Buy ALDUS SHRUGGED on amazon, and ALL royalties will be donated directly to barackobama.com HELP ME TO HELP THE BIG O!!! And follow the fun: @floydbluealdus1

    by Floyd Blue on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:38:23 AM PDT

  •  So they'e admitting he lies last week, right? (3+ / 0-)

    'Cause saying he 'broke promise to re-open' means you're admitting he didn't have anything to do with it closing... just the opposite of what you said last week.

    And don't parse your convention speech and claim you didn't say it.  You said it straight-up on the stump and you your convention speech sure as sh** wasn't 'Yeah, you saved Tom and Dick, but what about not going back for Harry?'

  •  I'm sick of the lying liars. (2+ / 0-)
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    And I'm sick of an inept fraudulent media that's allowed this for so long.  Good grief, enough already.  

    "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

    by AnnieR on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:41:50 AM PDT

  •  This is Karl Rove territory (4+ / 0-)

    He's blaming Obama because people in Wisconsin might rightly blame their Representative (ie Paul Ryan) for his failure to stand up for his own district.

    It's Paul Ryan's job to look out for his state, and he simply didn't do it.

    Paul Ryan knew he failed his people, didn't care, and now he wants to blame someone else for his own failure.

    He has all the maturity of a 14 year old.

  •  GM could totally punk Romney/Ryan . . . (1+ / 0-)
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    . . .  by announcing a plan to put Janesville back on line, or that they're doing a study to weigh its feasibility.

  •  The usual low bar necessary.. (1+ / 0-)
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    for claiming Obama is a liar.

    Meanwhile, Ryan has to take a rocket to Mars to try and find the bar he'd have to get over to earn the title.  But of course, wanting to cut funding for NASA means no worries that might happen.

    This complete lack of logic continues to baffle me day in and day out.  How can people be so flat out stupid?

  •  This is just like a typical narcissist!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    dconrad

    A narcissist can't be wrong so he will engage all kinds of magical thinking to be right. There is no such thing a a lie or a flip-flop with a narcissist. They literally are so self-absorbed that reality is exactly what he is believes it is right that second. And if you disagree or attempt to call him out for his hypocrisy you are wrong. You will be ignored or disregarded because you are wrong.

    (this is such a trigger for me! sorry--argh!)

    First of all retool doesn't mean you are going to do the same thing you did before. Second like the Janesville plant doesn't mean thee Janesville plant.

    He never promised to save the Janesville plant. Sorry Mr. Ryan (but you already know that-you clinical narcissist). Obama decided that to give auto executives charge over their operations. They decided how best to manage their bailout funds to ensure they did not go bankrupt. GM decided to close the plant.

    Warning: That light at the end of the tunnel just might be an oncoming train.

    by history first on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:44:05 AM PDT

  •  Yawn, straight from the (2+ / 0-)
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    Brooke In Seattle, MrJersey

    Rove/swiftboat playbook, attack your opponent for your greatest weakness/his greatest strength and try to confuse what they think is the Stupid-Ass Public into believing that your weakness is your strength.

    Only slightly less than half of the public is Stupid-Ass, though, as they will learn on Nov. 7.

    Still enjoying my stimulus package.

    by Kevvboy on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:44:12 AM PDT

  •  Invisible Obama in the chair (0+ / 0-)

    ..might have made a promise that not everyone can hear.

    It's refreshing to watch them flail.

    Mitt Romney is to Successful Businessman as Serial Rapist is to Successful Ladies Man

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:45:36 AM PDT

  •  This is what flailing desperation looks like. (0+ / 0-)
  •  "But that's how Mitt rolls." (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know about any "rolling". I DO know he lies like a rug, though.

  •  So easy to turn this on Romney (1+ / 0-)
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    OjaiValleyCali

    Seriously, just bring up Romney's "joke" about his dad closing a plant in Michigan:
    http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/...

    And since when to Republicans want politicians deciding which plants to open, close, or retool?

    I don't know what's been trickling down, but it hasn't been pleasant---N. Pelosi

    by Russycle on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 11:54:04 AM PDT

  •  Obama never promised (0+ / 0-)

    Republicans blasted Obama for the loan to GM and would have criticized him for running the company at the time. Never happened. Janesville was closed it was not Obama's call to reopen and hasn't come up until convienently now by lyin Ryan. Repubs are revisionists, propagandists and fascists. Do not let them suppress the vote and steal another election.

  •  Titles (0+ / 0-)

    Obama: The Audacity of Hope

    Romney: The Mendacity of a Dope

    "Nach dem Spiel ist vor dem Spiel." ~Sepp Herberger

    by surfbird007 on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 12:03:13 PM PDT

  •  Did I miss something? (0+ / 0-)

    Did Obama have some kind of executive job in the GM business planning office? Anyone with even the most basic understanding of the auto business would know that the decision to close a plant, especially an assembly plant is not made lightly. There are tons of business, logistical, and, yes, human factors that need to be analyzed and carefully weighed.  The decision to close Janesville was made before Obama ever decided to run for president.

    I suppose it's Obama's fault that I still can't get Uverse in my neighborhood.

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

    by itsjim on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 12:24:19 PM PDT

  •  These people, Ryan and Romney lie (0+ / 0-)

    out of conviction.  Paul learned first to lie when a priest warned him not to tell what they had been doing.   And Mitt learned to lie in order to foist his religion off on unsuspected marks when he was a missionary in France.  In short, lying for them is their religion.

  •  Maybe Mitt feels like this because… (0+ / 0-)

    No one bailed out his fathers’ legacy in 1988. You know the makers of such great vehicles as the Pacer and Gremlin.

    "Your flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore" John Prine

    by rustbelt on Wed Sep 05, 2012 at 12:44:24 PM PDT

  •  Who heard Brokaw on TDS on the Janesville (0+ / 0-)

    plant closing? When Jon Stewart asked him to agree that Lyin' Ryan was lying about the date of the closing, Brokaw tied himself in knots trying to not say Ryan was lying. Nuance you see, nuance.

    With the High Priest of the new Broderism, Brokaw, and the High Priestess, Mrs. Greenspawn, none of the blatant lies R&R repeat over and over again are gonna get called on NBC.

    Occupy the fucking news!

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