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Check out this shocking secret tape of Romney himself describing how he invested in an abusive Chinese factory that had 12-women per dorm room. This tape clearly shows his heartless disregard for the life of his workers.  It also confirms he sent jobs overseas.

The story has already been posted @ http://politicalwire.com/...

Here's their description:

Hidden Video Shows Romney at a Fundraiser

A fascinating hidden camera video shows Mitt Romney talking at a fundraiser about investing in a Chinese factory that he described as surrounded by barbed wire and packed with 12 women per dormitory room.

Romney's point in telling the story was that "95% of life is settled if you're born in America."

EDIT:

The accuracy of the story Romney told was just confirmed by the Boston Glode and they also referenced the video.  This story has legs today:

http://bostonglobe.com/...

When Romney was at Bain, the firm also invested in a Chinese company called Global Tech Appliances Inc., which manufactured washing machines and other products at Chinese factories to export to US consumers.

According to Securities and Exchange Commission documents that were first reported by Mother Jones magazine, a Bain Capital affiliate, Brookside Capital Partners Fund, acquired about 6 percent of Global Tech Appliances on April 17, 1998. Romney was listed as the “sole shareholder, sole director, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brookside Inc. and thus is the controlling person of Brookside Inc.”

A French appliance manufacturer called SEB successfully sued Global Tech in the United States for copying its patented deep-fat fryers, winning $2.65 million in a decision upheld by the Supreme Court in 2010. The legal case began in 1998.

Romney appeared to reference the Global Tech investment in a video that appeared on YouTube about three weeks ago. In the 2-minute video, which was shot surreptitiously and purports to be taken at a high-dollar Romney fund-raiser, Romney describes some of the spartan working conditions at a company Bain officials were planning to buy.

“When I was back in my private sector days, we went to China to buy a factory there,” he says. “It employed about 20,000 people. And they were almost all young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married, and they work at these huge factories.”

Romney said the women were packed into dormitories, 12 per room in bunk beds, and only earned a “pittance.”

Video below the jump:

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  •  Until we have a source for these leaked videos... (13+ / 0-)

    ...people are going to worry that they're faked to make us look bad.

    But in the unlikely story that is America, there has never been anything false about hope.

    by thezzyzx on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:16:45 AM PDT

    •  It certainly sounds like Mitt, but... (7+ / 0-)

      you're right, unless we can prove it, Mitt will simply deny it's him and the MM won't touch it.

      You can tell Romney’s depressed. Last night he just sat on his couch and bought the Häagen-Dazs corporation ~ Jimmy Fallon

      by AuroraDawn on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:18:47 AM PDT

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    •  Who's the source of this video? (5+ / 0-)
    •  i don't think they're faked (12+ / 0-)

      but i do want to know what else he said, because he could have gone on to explain how bain decided to improve living conditions for the workers. given romney's nature, i doubt it, but even so, this video is clipped at the end and i want to know what was clipped.

      The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

      by Laurence Lewis on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:25:22 AM PDT

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    •  this is my source (5+ / 0-)
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      doroma, Sylv, doc2, IndieGuy, arizonablue

      i didn't know about last week but this is where i saw the tape:

      http://politicalwire.com/...

      •  Oh swell- a "source" that does not give (5+ / 0-)

        a source.  We're not asking where you picked it up- there's crazy shit all over the internet.  We're asking for the original source- where was this recorded, who recorded it, and is anyone willing to stand behind the authenticity of these clips.  Unless and until you can provide a reliable, original source, you should delete this.  Or risk another round of HR's.

        •  too busy typing the word shocking again nt (3+ / 0-)
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          "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

          by eXtina on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:50:29 AM PDT

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        •  See edit (5+ / 0-)

          Tell the Boston Globe to delete their reference to this story.

          http://bostonglobe.com/...

          •  to the 'purported' video? (5+ / 0-)

            "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

            by eXtina on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:00:20 AM PDT

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            •  What part of this Globe story is untrue? (7+ / 0-)

              "When Romney was at Bain, the firm also invested in a Chinese company called Global Tech Appliances Inc., which manufactured washing machines and other products at Chinese factories to export to US consumers.

              According to Securities and Exchange Commission documents that were first reported by Mother Jones magazine, a Bain Capital affiliate, Brookside Capital Partners Fund, acquired about 6 percent of Global Tech Appliances on April 17, 1998. Romney was listed as the “sole shareholder, sole director, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brookside Inc. and thus is the controlling person of Brookside Inc.”

              A French appliance manufacturer called SEB successfully sued Global Tech in the United States for copying its patented deep-fat fryers, winning $2.65 million in a decision upheld by the Supreme Court in 2010. The legal case began in 1998.

              Romney appeared to reference the Global Tech investment in a video that appeared on YouTube about three weeks ago. In the 2-minute video, which was shot surreptitiously and purports to be taken at a high-dollar Romney fund-raiser, Romney describes some of the spartan working conditions at a company Bain officials were planning to buy.

              “When I was back in my private sector days, we went to China to buy a factory there,” he says. “It employed about 20,000 people. And they were almost all young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married, and they work at these huge factories.”

              Romney said the women were packed into dormitories, 12 per room in bunk beds, and only earned a “pittance.”

              •  sourced above (2+ / 0-)
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              •  The Boston Globe story does not say (4+ / 0-)
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                eXtina, JVolvo, ardyess, bakeneko

                what you think it says.  This is not about the veracity of the conditions described at the Chinese factories.
                This is about the lack of attribution of the clip you posted, which even the Globe describes as a youtube video that purports to be from a Romney fundraiser.
                No one here is arguing that the underlying story is not true.
                This is about the clip that you keep insisting has been authenticated, which HAS NOT HAPPENED.

                •  Somebody sneaks a microphone into (2+ / 0-)
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                  Sharon Wraight, Mr SeeMore

                  a Romney fundraiser and posts his speech. Who exactly is it who you think is in charge of authenticating these types of things?

                  It sounds like him, and makes sense. And now other respected media outlets are coming to the same conclusion. And Romney has not denied it. So you may want to tone it down a bit, because your nasty attacks on a community member are looking more and more outrageous by the minute.

                  •  Yeah, and that somebody who (4+ / 0-)

                    sneaked in the microphone could provide information about when/where this was supposedly recorded- as was done with the Obama fundraiser god and guns tape.  That would add some credibility, but that has not happened.

                    As for my nasty attacks- I don't think that insisting on accuracy in representing what attribution means or does not mean is nastiness, nor do I think it's outrageous.  I can throw insults and name-call with the best/worst of them, but I haven't done that here.  I'm not attacking the diarist, I'm attacking the premise of the diary.

                    •  It was posted anonymously. (3+ / 0-)
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                      Which is what I'd do if I were at that fundraiser and wished to share what was said without revealing my identity. You seem to think it absolutely essential that in order for the tape to be real, that it's maker come forward. But that is not reality - the tape could indeed be very real, and your position then becomes that unless Romney's campaign itself confirms its authenticity, it should not be posted here. Which is ridiculous.

                      How is it hurting anyone for it to be posted here, real or not?

                      •  That's not what I'm saying, (3+ / 0-)

                        and not what I have said.  I've not argued that the tape is not real, it very well could be and I hope it is.  I'm arguing that the tape has not been authenticated, because it has not been, despite the diarist's insistence to the contrary.

                        I did not HR the diary, although I was tempted at first because it seemed like another round of what happened last week, which turned into a spam-fest of un-scourced recordings like this.  And I get why someone would want to remain anonymous, but some detail re location and time should accompany a claim like this- if they want it to be taken seriously.

                        •  Again, who is it that is in charge (1+ / 0-)
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                          of "authentication"? You seem to believe that there is some authority out there who makes things real by signing off that it is real. That is not how things work. I take this video seriously because it appears genuine to me. To the extent that I am presented with reasons to doubt that, I'll change my mind. But I have no idea what the problem is with you people who don't think we should even be posting or watching this video, simply because it was not "authenticated" or because the maker of it decided not to provide backup. You don't know if its a fake, but your attitude makes no sense unless you are convinced it is.

                          •  One more try and I'm done- (3+ / 0-)

                            unless you believe that authentication has absolutely no meaning in journalism- I don't believe that someone or something  "makes things real" by providing sourcing.  A thing  is either real or it is not. This video might be real but we don't know that and I don't get why we should pretend otherwise.

                            You wanna discuss it as a rumor or as a youtube thing or as something that might have happened, I'm fine with that.  I'm not fine with presenting this as something we know to be authentic.  If it turns out to be real, sure we get points for being ahead of the story.  If it turns out to be bogus, we look dumb and unreliable.

                          •  You seem to be overly concerned (1+ / 0-)
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                            Mr SeeMore

                            about how we look to others. Not all of us are so fearful of making a little mistake.

                          •  Why are you so CONCERNED??!! n/t (0+ / 0-)

                            "We are a Plutocracy, we ought to face it. We need, desperately, to find new ways to hear independent voices & points of view" Ramsey Clark, U.S. Attorney General.

                            by Mr SeeMore on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:47:47 PM PDT

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                •  Unless the diarist from the other day was (0+ / 0-)

                  full of it we should be hearing from David Corn any day not. The fact that we're hearing about the vid in the Globe leaves me inclined to think we will be hearing from Corn soon based on previous Bain stories that broke with a Corn/Globe connection.

                  Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

                  by JTinDC on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:05:10 PM PDT

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              •  what shocking truths are revealed here? nt (1+ / 0-)
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                gramofsam1

                "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

                by eXtina on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:14:33 AM PDT

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            •  You are now in troll territory. (3+ / 0-)
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              IndieGuy, Sharon Wraight, Mr SeeMore

              Your suspicions that this is some elaborate hoax are starting to look like arrogance. Politico and the Boston globe are running with this, but you're still insisting that it must be a hoax. You have yet to remove your HR of the tip jar.

      •  Its obviously him. (4+ / 0-)

        These jokers HRing you are making themselves look bad.

    •  So what? (2+ / 0-)
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      Mr SeeMore, Boston Boomer

      Just because it may be some elaborate hoax, why does that imply that we should ignore it and let it languish out there, unseen? If it is a hoax, by bringing it to light we invite the campaign to deny it, for attendees at the function to do the same, and it is revealed as a hoax. So what? Meanwhile, if we're all quaking in our boots that we can't ever post anything that is not "authenticated" (whatever that means) we would miss out on an opportunity to publicize what may be a very real inside glimpse at Mitt Romney.

      It is either real or it isn't, but why all the fear expressed here? What is the worst case, that we fell for a (pretty authentic-sounding, if you ask me) hoax?

      •  I'm with you. (2+ / 0-)
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        ardyess, doc2

        We don't have to say it's true, just that it's out there (showing the video) and ask Romney to comment.  It's dynamite if accurate.

        To me, it's like Romney's tax returns.  He can easily admit or deny it, better than anyone else.  What does it say if he stays mum?

      •  Apply this argument to 'fake birth certificate' (3+ / 0-)
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        ardyess, bakeneko, pico

        and you'll see why it's wrong.

        (romney)/RYAN 2012 - Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

        by Fordmandalay on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:06:24 PM PDT

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        •  Sorry, but there's no comparison. (1+ / 0-)
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          Mr SeeMore

          This video makes total sense, and would have had to be pretty elaborately constructed if fake. The ONLY thing that makes people doubt its integrity is that the maker of it has chosen to remain anonymous. It sounds like Romney, it looks real, it has not been denied (by anyone). And it never will have the chance to be either verified OR debunked if we all are too afraid to even post it and discuss it.

          How you think that this situation is comparable to one in which the State of Hawaii explicitly said that Obama's birth certificate is genuine is beyond me.

          •  I just printed up er FOUND Obama's Kenyan BC!! (2+ / 0-)
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            pico, eXtina

            This Birth Certificate makes total sense, and would have to be pretty elaborately constructed if fake. The ONLY thing that makes people doubt it's authenticity is that the finder of it has chosen to remain anonymous. Obama has still not denied its reality! And it will never have the chance to be either verified or debunked if we are all too afraid to even post it or discuss it.

            And if this one is proven fake, I'll print up more next week and make Obama prove those are fake too.

            (romney)/RYAN 2012 - Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

            by Fordmandalay on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:40:00 PM PDT

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            •  Several responses to your bad analogy (1+ / 0-)
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              Mr SeeMore

              1.  Repubs have done this, we debunked it
              2.  Obama can and would deny reality of fake bc
              3.  It is a government record which Kenya would have original of and could produce copy of if genuine.

            •  Oh, and something else.. (0+ / 0-)

              Romney's face and voice appear quite clearly to be on the video.

              Quite a difference from a doctored piece of paper allegedly coming from Kenya in the face of a birth certificate certified by the State of Hawaii.

              •  The face is NOT clear AT ALL (1+ / 0-)
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                eXtina

                You're seeing what you want to see. The man is 25 feet away, and for almost the entire tape, the man's face is covered with subtitles. Also, the audio is FAR TOO CLEAR. the man is speaking with no visible amplification, yet you can hear him clearly.

                Try this experiment; hide your little video camera in a bag, then record a friend of yours speaking off-axis to the camera mic from about 25 feet away. See how well that turns out.

                (romney)/RYAN 2012 - Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

                by Fordmandalay on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:01:58 PM PDT

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                •  I don't know what your agenda (0+ / 0-)

                  is, user 330,000-something, but you might want to tone down your spirited defense of Mitt Romney.

                  •  I don't know what your agenda is (1+ / 0-)
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                    eXtina

                    But you might want to tone down your accusations of people who disagree with you, and who enjoy practicing actual journalistic principles.

                    And WTF does my user number have to do with the price of cheese on the moon?

                    (romney)/RYAN 2012 - Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.

                    by Fordmandalay on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 05:14:22 PM PDT

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      •  That's completely stupid. (0+ / 0-)

        Now you are going Red State with that statement. Facts be damned and just go with it.

        You sound like a fool.

    •  Uprated for bogus HRs (0+ / 0-)
    •  Boy did you bite the big weenie, all you doubters. (0+ / 0-)

      Feel silly now?

      You should.

      Not voting is NOT an option this time around.

      by AreDeutz on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 08:35:52 AM PDT

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  •  I'm HR (7+ / 0-)

    All these videos until a source is posted I want at least a place and time. Its impossible to get nothing clear from this video, or the many others posted, and they are starting to look like Republican bate

  •  Holy shit. (1+ / 0-)
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    highacidity

    This guy is dangerous.

    I will not say do not weep, for not all tears are an evil.

    by ReverseThePolarity on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:21:12 AM PDT

  •  Not this shit again. (8+ / 0-)

    Are you the same person who posted a bunch of these last week, with the assurance that the MSM would be all over this any day now?
    Got a source yet?  Got anything other than this re-tread?  Waiting for your response before I HR this.

  •  It definitely sounds like Romney (2+ / 0-)
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  •  It also shows how incredibly stupid he is (5+ / 0-)

    He actually believed the Chinese government when it said that the guard towers and barbed wire were there to keep others out, rather than to keep these poor women trapped inside in slave conditions.  It never even occurred to him why so many of the women never returned to the factory when they were finally allowed, for the New Year, to visit their families.  He thinks it was because they saved so much money, even though he said in the video that they worked for a "pittance" under horrible conditions.

    So he is venal, completely uncaring about human beings (in particular women) from whose labor he and Bain profited, and a complete moron to believe that the towers and barbed wire were there not to keep the women trapped inside but rather to keep job hunters out.

    This does need to go viral.

  •  I'd delete this. (9+ / 0-)

    This video, and several more like it, have not been in any way authenticated.  And the way they've come to our attention does not lend them any credibility. This one, for instance, apparently first turned up on youtube posted by a hoaxer claiming to be Rachel Maddow.  Then it was posted, along with several others, by someone here who refused to provide any details as to where they came from.  

    I'd recommend not touching these until they've been verified.

  •  this had better not be like (7+ / 0-)

    that fake "Made in China" Romney button. Seriously I am not falling for this until a credible source is named.

    ***********

    Squidward: The noises! How are you two making those noises?

    Patrick: Well, that's easy. All you need is a box.

    SpongeBob: And...imagi~nation!

    by rexymeteorite on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:24:51 AM PDT

  •  I have no doubt that is him. (0+ / 0-)

    You can hear that permanent sneer in his stiff upper lip.

    I will not say do not weep, for not all tears are an evil.

    by ReverseThePolarity on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:24:54 AM PDT

  •  Whether it's Romney or not, it's definately BAIN. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Someone posted that here 5 days ago, (7+ / 0-)

    along with several other recordings from the same fundraiser. He's here, and he was apparently banned because the videos weren't sourced.

    I, for one, think they're authentic. I'm also glad diaries stay up even if the poster is banned.

    "Let's put the jam on the lower shelf so the little people can reach it." - Ralph Yarborough

    by Zutroy on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:28:33 AM PDT

  •  This gets my HR (2+ / 0-)
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    nothing to indicate rmoney.  Even if it is him, until there is verification.... (anyone have equipment to do a voice match?) this is something that we should not be posting, at least with the title as it is and indicating that it is rmoney.
     

    •  I have equipment. (5+ / 0-)

      They're called ears. Maybe now that major media outlets are running this story you should remove your HR of this diarist.

      •  Major media outlets- so far (4+ / 0-)
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        the Boston Globe- are not insisting that the recording is real, which the diarist is doing.  They are saying it's a youtube video purported to be from a Romney fundraiser.  That is not the language one uses with a credible, verifiable source.

        •  Why not ask Romney campaign to comment (2+ / 0-)
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          ardyess, UFOH1

          instead of self-censoring ourselves?  Let them admit, deny, or waffle.  If it was a story about a Democrat they'd have it on television 24/7 as the gospel truth.

          We're in a gunfight, put away your peashooter.  At least ask Romney to comment before unilaterally disarming.

          •  I'm not censoring anyone- (3+ / 0-)
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            ardyess, bakeneko, Lost and Found

            just asking the diarist to stop representing this clip as having been authenticated when in fact no such thing has happened.

            •  Ok, I have no problem with re-phrasing (1+ / 0-)
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              ardyess

              How about "Romney Campaign Does Not Deny Authenticity Of Video Apparently Showing Him Talking About Investing In Abusive Chinese Factory"

              •  I really admire your spirit.... (0+ / 0-)

                really.....

                And this is excellent snark, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it is.

                I'll back off now and let you contemplate what you are suggesting here if you really are serious, my friend.  

                •  Why are you opposed to making Romney respond? (0+ / 0-)

                  How would you do it?

                  What is untrue about my proposed re-phrasing (perhaps a bit tongue in cheek, but completely accurate)?

                  •  Is there anywhere that I've indicated that (0+ / 0-)

                    I was opposed to asking the rmoney campaign about this?  

                    And until the rmoney campaign is asked about this (which so far I don't know that anyone has done this) and responds (or not) the title is overtly misleading to be any sort of actual journalism - I think that you have to at least look at this from that angle, eh?  

                    Really, do you want KOS to look like rmoney and his midnight attacks on Obama with the embassies situation?  That's what this has the potential to do, IMHO.

                    •  But Romney WON'T get asked about it (1+ / 0-)
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                      ardyess

                      unless we and others (MSM) continue to press the story.

                      If Political Wire and the Boston Globe didn't go with the video it apparently might have died on the vine, judging by what I'm reading about what happened 5 days ago.

                      •  Then have higher-ups here at KOS (0+ / 0-)

                        contact the rmoney campaign, and ask.  Email some of the mods and get their take on this.

                        I don't think that you or I or any of the other posters here have any credibility with anyone at the rmoney campaign, but there are those who might be able to get an answer.

                        But see....... in how this is framed is a key.  And I just don't think that this diary, as written at present, is in any kind of framing to approach.

                        I'm sure that there are some pros out there that would hopefully know how to do this, and will.

                        In the meantime, my friend, I would love nothing more than for this to be all true.  However, this just isn't an accurate diary at present, and it presents KOS more as bumblers and fumblers than a factual site.  

                        •  Romney won't respond to anyone at Kos -- (0+ / 0-)

                          Isn't that pretty obvious?  Even getting in a dialogue with Kos would be considered apostasy by the wingnuts.

                          And we don't look like bumblers and fumblers.

                          The diarist is reporting on a story featured initially by the well respected Taegan Goodard on Political Wire, and then reported on by The Boston Globe and the Washington Post.

                          We don't need proof that it is true to raise the issue and demand an answer.

                          I don't really see how we can lose in this, even if the video is not authentic.  My wife saw it and predicted that most people would agree with Romney, and that it wouldn't hurt him; although I disagree with her, I don't see anything remotely slanderous in the video, and I think Romney would stand by his comments, thinking "What did I say that was bad?"

                          •  What will also be curious to observe here, (0+ / 0-)

                            I think, that now that this video is out, can the rmoney campaign somehow get ahead of this story as they need to, and whatever they do, most likely the faux outrage, so that it's just another battle for the red meat, and they won't lose any support from this (how much support they're losing from the red meat crowd otherwise is another matter) if the video is a fake?

                            Or if it is a fake, another option is to ignore it?  Or wait a bit and see if they can somehow find a proper moment to insert this into the discourse (but as we seen, as the embassy events started, it seems rmoney really jumped to early and completely overplayed there, so)?

                            Now if it is real.....???  If I were them, I'd say ignore it, they have to, eh?  But if somehow this is substantiated (voice print identification, source speaks) what way are they going to handle it if they don't pounce on it right away and at least attempt to get control of this.

                            So now I'm undecided as to if I really want to know the answer to my own questions above?  The things we see and hear here, eh?  

              •  That would be fine, if (1+ / 0-)
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                ardyess

                the Romney campaign has been asked about the video.  As far as I know, they've not been given the opportunity to either confirm or deny, unless someone has asked the question.

                •  Someone with clout has to ask, or else (0+ / 0-)

                  Romney camp will ignore it.

                  Are they going to respond if you or I send them an email?

                  This is why we have to keep this thing viral, so it gets picked up on by someone with a microphone and Romney has to talk about it.

          •  okay, then we can ask the rmoney (0+ / 0-)

            campaign to comment on this and see what they say...

            and if not us, then there may be others out there who will.

            and I'm not hr'ing against posting the video.  I'm hr'ing because of unverifiable statements made by the diarist at this time concerning this video.  

             

      •  okay, I might.... (0+ / 0-)

        I don't know how much it would matter, but let's not have KOS experience the same rmoney did with his midnight releases of the embassy events and boggling of the facts.

        I would easily change my HR if diarist were to change title and text to reflect facts as they occur, as opposed to rushing to the judgment.

        Or, until authenticity is much better, and editing is shown to not have happened, I'll stay where I'm at.

        But, I really hope this is rmoney and it is true.  

  •  Let it go viral (2+ / 0-)
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    ardyess, ReverseThePolarity

    and see what Romney's camp says about it.

    Let them deny it if it's not genuine.  Then maybe the videographer will present evidence that it is.

    It is out there.  I see no reason why Romney shouldn't be asked on the record if it is accurate or a fake.

  •  job creation in action (3+ / 0-)
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    Wee Mama, arizonablue, UFOH1

    Once I worked for a place where I designed products for children- basically toys- books with squeakers and rattles, etc. Mainly these were sold at walmart and the like. All of our products were manufactured in China, and my boss traveled there frequently. He maintained that the women who sewed in these factories were happy to be there, and that they got to live in these really nice dorms and whatnot, so what could be wrong? (he told me these things, I think trying to reassure himself that he wasn't a bad person for profiting off of this.) The boss also had a picture of himself sitting behind a sewing machine, with some girls and some men in suits standing around smiling. He said he tried sewing, because he would never ask anyone to do anything he wouldn't be willing to do himself. I never was sure what that meant (he didn't actually work an 18 hour shift, I'm pretty sure.) but again, I think he didn't want to believe that there was anything bad going on. I only was able to stay at that job for a couple of months- not because I couldn't stand the fact that we used sweatshops in China- I was able to rationalize it to myself some days, I hate to say- because everywhere I had worked we used Chinese factories- anyway my point is that these statements from Romney wouldn't surprise me at all. Even if there is no source for the video, I am still not inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt!
    But yeah, not at all the kind of "job creation" that we need.
    Which, I am dubious that what we actually need is more jobs, doing stupid crap, for guys like him and my old boss, because ultimately those jobs have negative worth, socially speaking, which comes around to bite other people, and the earth, in the end. But that is a rant for another time!!

  •  Very Suspicious Link At the Source. (4+ / 0-)

    Political Wire -- there's a link at the top of the page, but it goes to that same page not to a source.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:43:24 AM PDT

  •  the previous poster who posted this (3+ / 0-)
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    gramofsam1, JVolvo, bakeneko

    and all the other clips got hr'ed to oblivion

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 10:46:43 AM PDT

  •  It's no secret Romney outsourced jobs, but (1+ / 0-)
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    JTinDC

    If this video is accurately, it just confirms what ppl already know. The difference this time is there's video.

    •  IF and that's the thing. IF IF iF. (0+ / 0-)

      Diarist shouldn't have claimed it has been verified as authentic because that doesn't seem to be the case just yet or else the Globe would've backed up that claim. But IF this is all authenticated then for all the times all the people have said this or that is the end of Romney's chances, THIS, I think would actually be the thing that really does end it for him.

      Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

      by JTinDC on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:18:11 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This needs to go viral (0+ / 0-)

    We need this video to go viral and make a point to stress that when he witnessed these deplorable working conditions, found out that the young female workers made almost nothing, were packed 10 to a room, and that the factory was surrounded by barbed wire, he did not condemn the factory....HE BOUGHT IT!!!

  •  what shocking truths are revealed in this video? n (2+ / 0-)
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    Rich in PA, bakeneko

    "I'm sculpting now. Landscapes mostly." ~ Yogi Bear

    by eXtina on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:03:19 AM PDT

  •  Do not HR. (1+ / 0-)
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    doc2

    See update...the Boston Globe is attributing the quotes in this video to Romney. It appears to be real.

    Unbelievable.

    •  I would certainly hope that I'm wrong (2+ / 0-)
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      gramofsam1, Lost and Found

      and that this video is of rmoney.

      In the meantime, other than being picked up here and there on the internet, we still really don't know a source, or if there is editing involved, etc.  

      This video needs to go through a lot before I would be convinced of any authenticity.  If there is a way to audioly (is that the word) verify the voice with other of the many recordings that are available from rmoney, let's have it done.  Then, editing...... how to show that it hasn't been edited.

      I'll be keeping my HR until either there is convincing authenticity, or the diarist can simply change the headline, and body of text to reflect what information is now out there, and caution that this could still be a hoax.  Then I would remove my HR.

    •  No. They. Are. Not. What is unbelievable (6+ / 0-)

      is that some people here think that the Boston Globe referencing a youtube video as "purported to be" from a Romney fundraiser constitutes attribution.

      The Globe is saying that some unknown entity posted this video on youtube with the claim that it's from a Romney fundraiser.  That is not journalistic attribution, hence the "purported" language.

  •  Boston Globe statement that video "appeared to" (3+ / 0-)
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    doc2, Catte Nappe, Lost and Found

    reference the deal is not exactly confirmation.

    However, it is now out there.

    Boston Globe and Taegan Goddard should at least ask Romney campaign to comment.   Get them on the record, admitting, denying, or, most likely, waffling.

  •  Mother Jones (1+ / 0-)
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    Chi

    Had a report a while back in July that was referenced by the Guardian.

    I don't see any very good reason to doubt the authenticity of the video, though I'd certainly like to know what he said next.

    If he bought the factory and improved conditions, good for him.

    •  OP from the other day said David Corn would be (0+ / 0-)

      breaking the story so the Mother Jones connection certianly fits that part of his/her claim.

      Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

      by JTinDC on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:21:24 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Why HR the tip jar - this is a valid diary (2+ / 0-)
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    doc2, UFOH1

    This diary references other media that are referring to the videos, and limits itself solely to the topic of the Chinese factory, which is verifiable.

    The diarist is not the original poster of these videos. He can't provide verification that currently doesn't exist.

    Yes, I demand verification before I would reference this in any LTE or other discussion, and I want the whole tape, unedited. But it is a story at this point.

    Uprated for HR abuse.

    Liberalism is trust of the people tempered by prudence. Conservatism is distrust of the people tempered by fear. ~William E. Gladstone, 1866

    by absdoggy on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:14:39 AM PDT

  •  Also, to clarify... (0+ / 0-)

    This is in the Globe story:

    When Romney was at Bain, the firm also invested in a Chinese company called Global Tech Appliances Inc., which manufactured washing machines and other products at Chinese factories to export to US consumers.

    According to Securities and Exchange Commission documents that were first reported by Mother Jones magazine, a Bain Capital affiliate, Brookside Capital Partners Fund, acquired about 6 percent of Global Tech Appliances on April 17, 1998. Romney was listed as the “sole shareholder, sole director, President and Chief Executive Officer of Brookside Inc. and thus is the controlling person of Brookside Inc.”

    ....

    Romney appeared to reference the Global Tech investment in a video that appeared on YouTube about three weeks ago. In the 2-minute video, which was shot surreptitiously and purports to be taken at a high-dollar Romney fund-raiser, Romney describes some of the spartan working conditions at a company Bain officials were planning to buy.

    So, he saw what was going on, then decided to invest in this company. He didn't BUY the company, and so I would think that he couldn't have changed the conditions even if he wanted to. (And listen to him, of course he wouldn't want to).

    I understand the abundance of caution...and that's good. But it's out there in the mainstream media now. It's real.

  •  I don't hear anything damning here. (2+ / 0-)
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    Febble, eXtina

    If anything, Romney understands something that many US progressives don't: that labor and wage conditions in country X can be both very shitty and so attractive that you have to build walls to keep people out.  We haven't been able to process this reality and what it means for optimal policies, but it's the reality that drives multinational capitalism in a post-colonial age where (believe it or not) you can't actually keep people prisoner in wage labor for the most part.

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:42:16 AM PDT

    •  There is a legitimate question, even (1+ / 0-)
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      Chi

      if you take his story at face value, about whether he should have believed that the guard towers were to keep people out. Sounds a bit fishy to me, but he not only believed it, he is bragging about it. Come on, people are going to sneak in and then demand pay?

    •  My take is different, as per my comment above (2+ / 0-)
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      Chi, eXtina

      I think Romney is a fool to have believed the Chinese government when it said the guard towers and barbed wire were to keep job hunters out.

      They were obviously to keep these poor women locked in.

      Which is why it is not surprising that so many of the women, whom he said made a "pittance" working in terrible conditions, never returned when they were finally let out to visit their families for the New Year.  Instead, Romney surmises that they must have saved so much money (from their pittance) that they didn't have to work any more; they were able to retire at 23.

      This is so clownishly stupid that I'm surprised the room didn't erupt in laughter when he said it.

  •  Now Ezra Klein is discussing (1+ / 0-)
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    JTinDC

    the video at the Washington Post. At some point hopefully those who HRed this will remove them. Even if the video is not real, why HR this when this story is all over the place?

    •  Great, this needs to be out there (0+ / 0-)

      Although I disagree with Ezra, see my comments above.

      I don't believe for an instant that the towers and barbed wire were there to keep job hunters outside.  To me, it is painfully obvious that they were there to keep the women inside.

      Why else would so many women, when finally allowed to leave the factory to visit their families on New Years, fail to return?  So they could retire at the age of 22 on the "pittance" Romney says they made at the factory?

  •  What did he mean when he said "We're sharing it (0+ / 0-)

    (what we have in America) with the world?"

    Because stupid people are so sure they're smart, they often act smart, and sometimes even smart people are too stupid to recognize that the stupid people acting smart really ARE stupid.

    by ZedMont on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 01:34:09 PM PDT

  •  So, did they buy factory? Do something abt condns? (1+ / 0-)
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    eXtina

    Telling the story just shows that he was paying attention. He recog that birth place was a step up. He said he was sharing with the world. That means in infers that he was going to do something about the conditions, shld BAIN take over. So did they? And are conditions better today?

    An EGG is not a person, A corporation is not a person!

    by CarmanK on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:32:17 PM PDT

  •  heh (2+ / 0-)
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    toys, djMikulec

    wish I would have seen this a couple of days ago

    There's smart, and there's K-mart smart. Sarah Palin is K-mart smart.

    by InsultComicDog on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:42:52 PM PDT

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