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First WATCH THE TRAILER to the movie UNCOUNTED

There are many assaults on the integrity of our votes depicted below.

Perhaps we need some help.  Maybe we could all email the UNITED NATIONS and beg for UN help to insure the integrity of our elections, like other countries do.  I'm sure our tax dollars are used, so why can't we Americans have the same oversight?

The Roster of Electoral Experts of UN the Electoral Assistance Division

HERE'S THE EMAIL ADDRESS FOR UN ELECTIONS:  eadroster@un.org
FAX:  (212) 963-2979.

Oh, the irony.  America's election integrity is a shambles, proven by the following facts.

Anyone interested in the integrity of the voting process will find enough information on the Brad Blog to demonstrate to their neighbors and friends that voting machines can destroy the voting process.  With enough educated voters, perhaps they can join forces and insist that the local voting process is secured.

The Brad Blog just caught Alaska with one of the many voting machines games being played: The Voting Machine Sleepover

Thank you Brad Friedman.  You certainly have opened my eyes over the years.

You will also find lots of details, video proof of voting machine tampering, and other concerns in this article:

ELECTION FRAUD: It's the Voting Machines, Not the Voters

And, of course, we have to factor in CITIZENS UNITED.  Do read:

Justice Stevens' Dissent: Citizens United (Orwellian Title)

The voting machine issue makes me sick.

This is the machine that will be used around the country.  It's inaccurate

UT Paper Ballot Op-Scan 'Recount' Halted, Results Found 'Extremely in Favor of Opposite Candidate'

Don't think for a minute that the GOP will let this election go forward without a plethora of tricks and tricksters.

All the news about Romney losing ground.  Pretend he is leading in all the polls.

Be scared for those who depend on Medicare, Social Security, school lunches, etc.

Be so scared that you not only vote for Democrats, but that you dedicate some hours to

GETTING OUT THE VOTE

VOLUNTEER TO GUARD THE POLL STATIONS

HELP THWART THE SLIMY GOP

And if all this isn't bad enough, there are plans to intimidate voters at the polls.  PLEASE READ, REC, TIP TWEET SEATURTLES DIARY

Election Intimidation/Discounting of Votes Planned by RW Stormtroopers!

Let me introduce you to True the Vote.  

True the Vote are the front of the RW militants who are going to planning and being trained to discount votes in election process itself, according to their arbitrary rules and beliefs.  This group has been present in a lot of the hotly contested election contests recently and although they have been cited for 'intimidation', they continue to operate with their 'might makes right' Modus Operandi.

BUT, I THINK WE NEED THE UN IN THESE STATES if voter suppression isn't properly thwarted and voting rights are limited in any way:

States With VOTER SUPPRESSION Legislation

This diary by gsmoke has tons of great resources:

Combatting Election Theft: Some Resources

Ever since the selection of 2000, the rudiments of US democracy have been under attack.  We still haven't dealt with the multitudinous problems of electronic voting machines and now we have a concerted attack on registration and voting by the Republican Party and their affiliated organizations.  Those who have built the engines for stealing elections, from registration to vote counts, will use them, this year and every Election Day from this time forward, if they can.

Here are some resources to stop them in their tracks and rebuild our ability to vote for every single citizen.  It is not an exhaustive list but it is a start.

Protect your own vote and those of all your fellow citizens.

ALSO READ:

FASCIST TAKEOVER: 80 YR PLAN - KOCHS, BIRCHERS, THE FAMILY

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    It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

    by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:39:41 AM PDT

  •  IMHO, this is the diary that should have a (75+ / 0-)

    thousand recs and everyone on this site reading the links and figuring out ways to combat this. For some reason, people just do not want to look at this. Repugs have used the vote theft and intimidation tactics since 2000, for sure, and probably before.

    I thank you for this diary. I do not understand the Progressive reluctance to look this issue straight in the face, and act on it because it is the greatest threat to our democracy, or what's left of it. Until the Democratic party and the people who support the Democratic party face this problem and ACT on it we will be in trouble anytime our candidates are not miles ahead. What a shame.

    This happens at the National, state and city levels.

    Thanks again. I think you should just republish this over and over until it gets some eyes on it.

    Also, people should read John Conyers book on the 2004 election and what went on in Ohio. Very eye-opening.  

    "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

    by rubyr on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:22:16 PM PDT

    •  Thanks, rubyr. I agree and I will. (20+ / 0-)

      Brad has been fighting to inform for a long time, now.  Maybe seen as competition?

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:24:40 PM PDT

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      •  I don't know. I don't get it. I have been (44+ / 0-)

        studying this for a long time and it seems obvious to me but not so much to most people, I don't think. I have puzzled over this for years. Some of it is the Democratic politicians refusal to look like "bad losers" (Gore and Kerry) and some of it just seems to be the result of a strange cognitive dissonance. Time after time the results are wildly off from the exit polling and polls going in (always to the detriment of Dems). Time after time, the result makes absolutely no sense in light of the demographic in the individual districts and the voting result. Voter suppression and intimidation are in plain sight. More  voting machines for Repugs and less for  Dem districts (with a fairly even number of voters at each). Harassment of every kind against people of color, the elderly and students (mostly Dems). I could go on and on.  

        Scott Walker's recall election is the most recent glaring example. The race was called while people were still voting, the percentages on the Sect. of State's polling results online remained static for ten minutes with the same percentage (59.7%) for Walker over three districts (mathematically impossible) and then without those numbers moving even by one vote they called it for Walker. This was with something like 42% of the votes being reported. The results wildly differed from the exit polling. The Democrats should have stormed in there and investigated everything immediately, but they did nothing.

        I think that the Repugs know that spending massive amounts of money does not always work but they keep doing it so that people will say (like they did about Walker's recall election) the Dems were outspent by whatever huge percent and that gives them cover for massive election theft that they keep getting away with. (sorry to blather)

        "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

        by rubyr on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:40:56 PM PDT

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        •  There is a manual recount of scanned ballots (24+ / 0-)

          underway in WI, but we won't know the results for a while. Certain 'red' counties are making doing the recount work unnecessarily difficult and some tried to evade being made subject to this effort.  Even if the scanned paper ballots turn out to 'add up' to machine totals, it doesn't mean there wasn't adding or subtracting of counted ballots.  The DRE counts have paper tape but there's really no manual way to go back and verify them.

          When life gives you wingnuts, make wingnut butter!

          by antirove on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 01:31:27 PM PDT

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        •  "What is the advantage of reporting vote tallies (26+ / 0-)
          minutes after the polls close, if the announced winner is not who the majority voted for? Canada votes with paper ballots, and the votes are counted by hand publicly with all sides observing."
          Republicans lie, cheat and steal. Why would voting machines
          be off limits to them...they aren't.

          The corrupt members of the GOP will stop at nothing to remain in power.

          "We are a Plutocracy, we ought to face it. We need, desperately, to find new ways to hear independent voices & points of view" Ramsey Clark, U.S. Attorney General.

          by Mr SeeMore on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:12:10 PM PDT

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          •  Amen!!! (11+ / 0-)

            When they call the election early like they did for Walker it sets the contender up as the loser (whether he/she was or not) and forces them to fight an uphill battle. This is exactly what they did in Florida in 2000 and it worked beautifully for them, so they continue it where necessary. They have pretty much figured out that the Dems are not going to go in there swinging on behalf of a accurately verified vote.  

            In answer to your rational question -- there is no advantage to it for anyone who is really interested in a fair, open election where the voter's ballots are properly counted and accurately reflect the wishes of the electorate.

            I'm with you, why can't we just count votes like Canada does? Well, there was the chad thing and that didn't go well but if all participants were interested in accuracy that kind of crap just would not happen.  

            "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

            by rubyr on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:45:08 PM PDT

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          •  Paper ballots w/ all sides observing: and internet (19+ / 0-)

            We could add something to the Canadian method: Webcams watching the whole process, everything webcast and visible in real-time over the internet, so EVERYONE can watch the count.  

            That's the place for "high-tech."  To provide the means by which anyone who wants to watch the entire process, can do so, end-to-end, including chain-of-custody of the ballots.  

            With all the surveillance in daily life (Facebook, Google, Smartphones, security cameras, etc.), and people acquiescing in being watched like a herd of barnyard animals (sheep and cows come to mind), it's time to turn that around:  it's time for us to start watching, rather than just being watched.  

            "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

            by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:58:57 PM PDT

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          •  AND they can get it done in a night... (4+ / 0-)
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            with dogsleds, on occasion. I'm sorry, but Canada rocks :-)

        •  Possiblities: liberal guilt and hippiephobia. (6+ / 0-)

          I have felt similar bewilderment about why the Democratic leadership doesn't debunk the Republicans' favorite lie that the media's biased against them.

          I think the possibilities can be narrowed down to 2: liberal guilt and hippiephobia. The first is that many Democrats have feelings that they've benefitted from unwarranted luck. Republicans manipulate this with their deck of victim cards, especially the ones about how they're the working classes.

          The second is that, as someone on Salon.com said early this year, where the Republicans fear their base, Democrats despise theirs. In this view, the leadership would be less afraid of losing to the GOP than they are of truly representing their constituents.

          The results wildly differed from the exit polling.
          Funny how Ukraine can conduct exit polls--back when Kuchma had dictatorial powers--but we can't. Republicans say it's because their voters lie to pollsters. If they actually believed the media's biased against them, they'd see that they're pissing upstream of their water source.

          Just how stupid does Mitt Romney think we are? -Paul Krugman

          by Judge Moonbox on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 06:46:32 PM PDT

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          •  We do exit polling (6+ / 0-)

            The media just stopped reporting on it when it became obvious that the results were wildly different.

            The exit polls showed a tossup between Walker and Barrett in Wisconsin and the MSNBC predicted a "long night".  Half an hour after the polls closed (with people still standing in long lines to vote) everyone called it for Walker.

            We need to ask how shit like that still happens.

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 12:08:01 AM PDT

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            •  been here, done this (2+ / 0-)
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              The media just stopped reporting on it when it became obvious that the results were wildly different.

              The exit polls showed a tossup between Walker and Barrett in Wisconsin and the MSNBC predicted a "long night".

              Given your second sentence, I can't tell what you meant by your first. The media kept reporting exit poll results.

              A useful starting point might be a diary I wrote four years ago: "Election Fraud Myths: The Exit Polls." I could update it for 2012, but not much has changed.

              Election protection: there's an app for that!
              Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

              by HudsonValleyMark on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:59:58 AM PDT

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              •  Here's the connection (1+ / 0-)
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                between those 2 sentences.  You don't hear exit polling very much (like those election nights of 2000 and before) except as a mention tossed in not to predict results, but to predict how long before a winner is announced.   And nobody, but nobody in the media points out when the exit polls don't match the election results.

                Exit polling is different from regular polls because it's not predictive - it doesn't ask about a future event;  it's asking people about something they just did (who did you vote for) so it's always been a reliable indicator of the results.  When they don't match or the results are vastly different, it indicates a problem with the results.  And exit polling during the Walker recall showed a toss up which was not reflected in the "official" results.  In other words, the results should have been much closer than they were.

                Election observers in countries where elections are not terribly reliable use exit polling data to validate results.  We stopped using them here after the 2000 Bush-Gore fiasco because they were pointing to serious problems in our own elections.

                There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

                by Puddytat on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 10:27:52 AM PDT

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                •  OK, but crucial pieces of this are untrue (1+ / 0-)
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                  Exit polling... [has] always been a reliable indicator of the results.
                  In my experience, people who were knowledgeable about exit polls before 2004 don't agree with this statement. For one thing, it's known that there were substantial exit poll discrepancies in 1992. For another, it's questionable in principle: no matter how hard one works to randomize the exit poll sample, it's up to voters to decide whether to participate, and there is no way to ensure that participation isn't biased.

                  The 2004 exit poll showed John Kerry winning Minnesota by 14 points, New Hampshire by 15 points, Pennsylvania by 14 points. None of those margins made any sense. Frankly, Kerry's exit poll margin of 6.5 points in Ohio didn't make much sense. (Many people don't realize how large these margins were, because the margins depicted on websites used "composite" projections that factored in pre-election polling.) Here in New York, the exit poll had Kerry winning by 31 points.

                  And exit polling during the Walker recall showed a toss up which was not reflected in the "official" results.  In other words, the results should have been much closer than they were.
                  The nominal margin of error on the difference hasn't been reported (it can't be calculated directly from the number of respondents), but I would guess it was at least 6 points. That's disregarding experiences like the ones I mention above. I don't think any seasoned observers were hugely shocked to see Walker win by 7.
                  Election observers in countries where elections are not terribly reliable use exit polling data to validate results.
                  Well, Sumate used an exit poll to argue that Hugo Chavez had rigged an election in Venezuela, but that doesn't get shouted out too often here. Neutral election observers generally don't use exit polls to validate results; the Carter Center explicitly has recommended against it.
                  We stopped using them here after the 2000 Bush-Gore fiasco because they were pointing to serious problems in our own elections.
                  I don't know what you mean. The network-sponsored exit polls actually haven't changed much since 2000.

                  Election protection: there's an app for that!
                  Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

                  by HudsonValleyMark on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 11:11:20 AM PDT

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            •  Perhaps a subject for a ProPublica investigation (3+ / 0-)
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              because AP and the rest of the big media are most interested in rapid results that THEY can break first.

              Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

              by Catskill Julie on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:21:50 AM PDT

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        •  "It can't happen here" syndrome. (4+ / 0-)

          Disbelief and denial allow SO many evils.

      •  WoE, I have placed a link to your diary in mine (10+ / 0-)

        excellent diary on a most pressing issue

        It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

        by SeaTurtle on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 01:08:11 PM PDT

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      •  War on Error, I know I'm being lazy but (2+ / 0-)
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        I'd be thrilled if someone created a template letter for use in emailing the UN. Just tossing the idea out there if someone was willing. Yeah, I've been bitching (and bitching and bitching AND bitching) about this forever. Without clear, standardized, secure, and verifiable voting procedures, we pretty much might as well shred the Constitution and have done with it. And at this point I don't see any hope of Congress addressing this issue...

    •  why? because we're pacifists. But... deterrence! (3+ / 0-)
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      Because if we go down that road, we are dealing with people who have no problem at all with using violence when faced with real and concerted opposition.

      And once that gets started, there's no telling where it will go, and where, if anywhere, it will end.

      Now think of a kid who gets routinely beaten up by bullies but won't fight back because he's afraid of getting into fights, or he doesn't want to start a playground brawl, or whatever.

      That kid is going to keep getting beaten up by bullies.  His nickname is going to be Target.  

      But there's only one way to deal with bullies, and that is to demonstrate the willingness and the capacity to meet them with overwhelming force.  

      The overwhelming force could come in the form of the school district and local police being willing to prosecute bullying as criminal assault and battery, using a zero-tolerance policy.  Or it could come in the form of the victim being willing, ready, and able, to send the bully to the hospital on a stretcher.

      One doesn't actually have to do the deed: call the police, or send the bully to the hospital.  One just has to be willing, ready, and able to do those things if needed.

      That's called deterrence.   And it works.

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:54:24 PM PDT

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      •  Please don't use references to "force" (1+ / 0-)
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        no matter how subtle, in my diary comments.

        I understand the frustration, but I find it unhelpful.  See comment at end of stream.

        Thank you.

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:25:27 PM PDT

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      •  What we need to be prepared for (2+ / 0-)
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        is a strike.  A general strike if possible, but an extended strike for sure.  That's the power we have and we can bring the most powerful to their knees with it and we need to realize that we're at a point where that needs to start happening.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:34:11 PM PDT

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        •  Exactly right. (1+ / 0-)
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          That's power and it's peacefully wielded, and it's exactly the type of tactic we need to be discussing.  

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:53:42 PM PDT

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    •  I'll tell you about the reluctance (2+ / 0-)
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      I do not understand the Progressive reluctance to look this issue straight in the face, and act on it because it is the greatest threat to our democracy, or what's left of it. Until the Democratic party and the people who support the Democratic party face this problem and ACT on it we will be in trouble anytime our candidates are not miles ahead. What a shame.
      The problem is that people don't know how to react to it other than just registering more people to vote.  People have absolutely no plan for what happens if this election gets stolen, and that's the only way mittens wins.  I mean, we know for a fact that the 2000 election was stolen through a combination of voter purging and supreme court intervention, and what did we do then?  Held a few protests and then moved on.  If we want to stop this continuing problem then we need to move beyond just protests and voter registration, we need to look for other solutions.

      The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:29:18 PM PDT

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    •  i lose sleep at night worrying about this (7+ / 0-)

      if this were a fair election Obama would win in a walk.

      but i can't share everyrone else's optimism about recent polls because deep down I have serious doubts that this will be a fair election.

      we could wake up November 7 with all the close states flipping red and there will be nothing we can do about it.  

      I fear Florida 2000 multiplied several times over.

      We have to win overwhelmingly to combat whatever voter fraud Rs have in mind.  So until I see polls showing a much bigger advantage, I will not be comfortable or optimistic.

      "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
      CALL EVERYONE YOU KNOW in OH, PA, FL, NC and TX. Make sure they have the ID they need to vote, and make sure YOU are registered and ready to vote!

      by TrueBlueMajority on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 07:19:54 PM PDT

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      •  I think the target is downballot (2+ / 0-)
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        Though I wouldn't put it past the increasingly brazen and desperate GOP to go for the POTUS in broad daylight, as it were,  I think the shenanigans this time will focus on trying to keep the House and flip the Senate. That way they've got an anchor on Obama for the next four years, and can create enough misery to make a GOP candidate a shoo-in for 2016.

        R-Money/R-Ayn, the ENRON Ticket, is not a campaign; it's a hostile takeover bid.

        by kamarvt on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 05:21:52 AM PDT

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      •  We have to be ready to sue and protest (1+ / 0-)
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        Our "fourth estate" proved in Florida 2000 that they were perfectly willing to go along with the illegal outcome because the Gore campaign made a mistake. They ignored the fact that the interest that must be served is the PUBLIC interest, not the narrow interest of one campaign or another.

        Elections belong to VOTERS. We have to drive that point home and make anyone attempting to game an election, or rush to report questionable results, hear from the public immediately, loudly and clearly and in PUBLIC.

        I also think we need an AP watch. Somewhat anonymous AP reporters are often allowed to sit in on vote counting to report results rapidly. THEY need to know we are also watching THEM, and no longer totally trust them, as the press inserts itself in our elections where voters are not permitted to go.

        Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

        by Catskill Julie on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:38:28 AM PDT

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    •  Spot on (1+ / 0-)
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      The 2000 election should have opened everyones eyes with Al Gore getting negative votes in one Florida County (negative votes?  How is that even possible?)

      Flash forward to 2004 with the Ohio shenanigans and onward to 2010 with the red tide (how really red was that tide?).

      And then there was the 2012 recall elections in Wisconsin where the results were different from exit polls.  Exit polls are what election observers use to compare to actual results to determine if an election is legitimate.  We stopped using those after the 2000 fiasco where the results didn't match the exit polls.

      Our elections smell to high heaven.  Bad enough we have to fight mega money and a lazy media, but we've been fighting black box voting, too.  Look at the polls!  The progressive agenda has majority support so why aren't our candidates winning and winning and winning?

      There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

      by Puddytat on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 12:00:01 AM PDT

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    •  Two things: 1. After the Florida catastrophe and (0+ / 0-)

      Bush v Gore, followed by 2004, grassroot Dems and computer experts were engaged and very concerned about vote counting and manipulation. It was the #1 topic of concern among the members of the Dem women's group in my county.  We held a standing-room only forum on it. Most were active against "black box voting" and you remember that NYers fought mightily to keep our old machines or at least get op scan of paper ballots that could be hand counted.

      We were told by staff very close to our well-connected Congressman that we should NOT pursue this issue--the security of the vote and honest vote counting--because the National Democratic Party did not want us to.

      Why? Because they were more worried that the mere discussion itself would depress our voters--that Dems would just not bother to vote at all--than they were about Diebold and Sequoia, et al helping Republicans steal elections by an almost undetectable hair's breadth, precinct by precinct.

      How condescending! As if the poor simple-minded dears-- their own voters--could not possibly understand and be sufficiently mobilized.

      So National Dems squandered years and a lot of energy, which allow Republicans to continue their long term voter suppression efforts, including putting Republican Secretaries of State in place in swing states, passing "voter fraud" laws, and purging voter rolls, virtually uncontested and beneath the Press' radar.

      Finally, now, seeing the extent of success Republicans have achieved in the last decade making it harder to vote, making it harder to REGISTER, and putting themselves in charge of counting the votes, they are paying attention to the issue.

      We Dems should cleave to an American prinicple that we are willing to go to the MAT on:

      EVERYone qualified should be able to vote; and EVERYone's vote SHOULD BE COUNTED.

      Anything that impedes those is UNAmerican, and UNdemocratic and should be resisted loudly and publicly.

      This is an unassailable position! A populist, democratic position that all voters understand. It's just simply American fair play. At a very basic level it's who we are.

      2. A lot of momentum for rapid, electronic vote tabulation -- that makes voters suspicious and is ripe for highly scientific but almost undetectable meddling -- comes from the NEWS MEDIA. They want to announce a winner IMMEDIATELY. They want to be FIRST to announce results and they want it done before everyone goes to bed.

      Why? What's the rush?
      I don't know if polling has been done on this but common sense tells us that the public would rather have accuracy than speed.

      Most of all, it's NOT their election!

      Elections don't belong to the media, elections officials, Parties, or even the candidates. ELECTIONS belong to the VOTERS. And their interest in a full, fair and complete process should always be paramount.

      Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

      by Catskill Julie on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:15:36 AM PDT

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  •  Thank you for the link to Brad Blog. (16+ / 0-)

    I confess, I'm one of those who let my eyes slip off the issue of voter machine fraud, so I appreciate your diary's reminder of the real problems being masked by the GOP's ginned-up concerns about imaginary in-person voter fraud.

    The more I study the GOP, the more I realize that its leadership has decided that conning American voters is an acceptable strategy for winning offices. The Voter ID laws, as heinous as they are in actual practice, also serve the strategic function of misdirection.  Most Americans are so busy watching those debates and court actions that we are not also paying attention to the election theft [potentially] being carried out by hacking voting machines.

    Con "artists" must be prosecuted, but first we must be willing to catch and convict them.

    No one elected Grover Norquist anything. If everyone ignored him, he would dry up and blow away.

    by vahana on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:42:46 PM PDT

  •  More Election Integrity Resources (22+ / 0-)

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    This diary got 3 comments and 0 recommends.  Oh well, people  really like to ignore the obvious problems in favor of following the crowd of symbols and shiny objects.  Sigh.

    Thanks for continuing to post on this issue.

    Solar is civil defense. Video of my small scale solar experiments at solarray.

    by gmoke on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 12:43:56 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for he informative post, WOE ! (6+ / 0-)

    How did Supreme Court decision ACA help the 23 million still uncovered? Ask the 18,000 Doctors of PNHP -- they're not waiting, FORWARD now to pass H.R. 676, the “Expanded and Improved Medicare for All Act .

    by divineorder on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 01:00:55 PM PDT

  •  We need to overwhelm their machinations (13+ / 0-)

    with gigantic numbers of Democrats voting in November so it's not even plausible that Rmoney could get close to winning.  As long as it's clear that there are HUGE NUMBERS OF DEMOCRATS VOTING, there is no way it appears to be a horse race.  

    Every poll, even Fake's, shows Obama winning and, IMHO, after the debates he will clearly be in landslide victory territory and the American public will simply not buy a sudden change of heart once the votes are counted.  It MUST appear to be close, or they won't be able to convincingly steal it.  Riots will break out and President Obama will order investigations before conceding his victory to the clearly unqualified, dangerous loser.

    GOTV IN HUGE NUMBERS and wreck any chances they have of stealing this thing.  Let's hand these cheating fuckers their asses in November!!!'

    GOTV!!!!!!!!

    Best. President. Ever.

    by Little Lulu on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 01:22:12 PM PDT

  •  It's the only way they can win at this point... (7+ / 0-)

    and, when and if they do, I imagine the result will be about the same as it was last time they stole an election.  

    Nothing.

    As long as they don't take away people's HD Cable, it's all good.

    •  sadly true, DK..... ugh.... (1+ / 0-)
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      It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

      by SeaTurtle on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:22:06 PM PDT

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    •  No fucking way. If they steal it people will take (1+ / 0-)
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      to the streets and there will be blood. No more. No more stolen elections. Not here.

      Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

      by JTinDC on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:45:51 PM PDT

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      •  Didn't happen in 2000 or 2004... (4+ / 0-)
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        Purging predominantly minority voters and requiring them to present IDs to vote in the face of VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT VOTER FRAUD is RACISM! I hereby declare all consenting Republicans RACISTS until they stand up and object to these practices!

        by Words In Action on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:37:49 PM PDT

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        •  This will be different. We've seen the results (1+ / 0-)
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          of just bending over and taking it. No more. And if Dem leadership pulls the "let's just move on" shit people are not going to accept that as they did before. Some will, sure. But many won't.

          I really just hope this all turns out to be much ado about nothing.

          Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

          by JTinDC on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:58:23 PM PDT

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        •  people were still... (5+ / 0-)

          .... living in economically "normal" times in 2000, and in shock from 9/11 and the wars in 2004.

          Now they've been fucked, shucked, and chicken-plucked, and they're fed up, and not going to tolerate getting fucked again.

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:15:14 PM PDT

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          •  And now they know what resistance looks like (3+ / 0-)
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            in a visceral way.

            If the election gets stolen we don't go back to work.  Period.

            That's the only way to make this point.

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:37:49 PM PDT

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            •  Amen to that! (1+ / 0-)
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              General strike.  Good tactic.  Peaceful and powerful.  

              "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

              by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:50:01 PM PDT

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            •  In this case, (1+ / 0-)
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              Resistance is NOT futile!  

              Get out the Vote.
              Volunteer with your local OFA office.  

              Get your neighbors and friends to be aware they can't be lazy or "forget" to go vote.  Drag them with you when you go.  Take a vacation day from work if you need to, so you can car pool folks to the polling places.  

              "Focusing your life solely on making a buck shows a certain poverty of ambition. It asks too little of yourself. Because it's only when you hitch your wagon to something larger than yourself that you realize your true potential." - Barack Obama

              by Ricochet67 on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 06:53:37 PM PDT

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              •  and: small business owners: make it a holiday! (2+ / 0-)
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                Make it a day off.  Close the shop for the day and put a sign in the window (and a message in your voicemail greeting) saying you're closed for Election Day, and you want to encourage your workforce to go out there and make sure every one of their neighbors gets to the voting booth.   And your clientele should too!

                If you own a restaurant, you could have a discount on the bill for anyone who comes in with a ballot stub after the polls close.

                There are other creative ways that local business can encourage people to vote.  

                For example: Having someone who can do voter registrations of customers in the store or restaurant is another one: keep the forms on hand, put up a sign, and offer a discount to anyone who's a new registration (as long as their name and address match what's on their ID, to prevent people registering as Mickey Mouse to get the discount).  

                "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 07:43:23 PM PDT

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          •  Um, I'd rather not rely on that theory (0+ / 0-)

            in practice!

      •  unfortunate but true: this time there will be... (3+ / 0-)
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        .... urban riots like nothing we've seen since the 1960s.

        People have been pushed too hard, too far, too close to the edge of survival.  Unemployed or underemployed, barely hanging on, and fed up.  

        Anything that looks like a stolen election this year has the potential to cause a social explosion in our cities.

        And that's just one more reason to GOTV like your life depends on it.

        "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

        by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:13:51 PM PDT

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  •  The Brad Blog (9+ / 0-)

    has been covering voter fraud for some time.  It's well worth bookmarking his blog and getting involved.  Greg Palast is another activist who has written about Republican voter fraud/theft.

    •  See my post above re: Greg Palast, who is (7+ / 0-)

      very astute but is viewed as a nut job, which I have never understood. He wrote in-depth coverage of the purging of POC off voter rolls but no one listens to him.  

      "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

      by rubyr on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 01:43:14 PM PDT

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      •  well, that's a version of 'swiftboating' (4+ / 0-)

        discrediting a strength; so if Greg Palast is good, they would quickly find ways to smear him as a nut job.

        I don't know GP, so cannot say what I think about him.

        It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

        by SeaTurtle on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:23:22 PM PDT

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        •  I like Greg Palast. (6+ / 0-)

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:27:20 PM PDT

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        •  He's smart, intuitive, wildly outspoken and (4+ / 0-)
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          passionate. It's the passionate part that gives people a window to discredit him.  

          He had to go to Europe to work so that people would listen to him.

          Look into him. He's an interesting guy and is often right. If the Democratic party had started listening to him in early 2000, things in this country would be very different today. He really is an expert on the disenfranchisement of POC voters (or not-voters because they weren't allowed to be).

          A lot of the people around this voter theft/suppression issue have been swiftboated: Bev Harris who brought the voting machine before members of Congress to show them how easy it is to flip votes, Brad DeLong, whose work is featured in this diary and Greg Palast and several others.  

          "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

          by rubyr on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:59:16 PM PDT

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          •  DeLong? did I get it wrong (0+ / 0-)

            heh a poem.  Thanks rubyr

            It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

            by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:29:24 PM PDT

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            •  No, you got it right. I was doing too many (0+ / 0-)

              things at once. Sorry.

              Correction: Brad Friedman of Brad Blog.

              "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

              by rubyr on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:53:57 PM PDT

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          •  More evidence suggesting (2+ / 0-)
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            there really is election fraud on a large scale.

            Why else swiftboat these reporters?  

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 07:19:28 PM PDT

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          •  Does anyone know whether Greg Palast is (0+ / 0-)

            doing anything in Europe to promote international monitoring of elections HERE.

            Europe obviously has a vested interest in these election results.

            There are lots of US Expats in Europe--with better jobs, better health care, more free time, vacation pay, etc. AND with closer access to European election monitors....
            Seems to me the job of on the ground GOTV is better done on US soil--actually, that's the only way to do it.
            But seeking support for the idea of international election monitors, whether that be from OSCE, or wherever, would be better done "over there".

  •  Here's an interesting article: (14+ / 0-)

    “Why Obama Is Likely to Lose in 2012”
    by Greg Palast | For Nation of Change
    Friday, September 14, 2012

    An excerpt from Billionaires & Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps.

    “Why Obama Is Likely to Lose in 2012” is the title of a column Karl Rove wrote in the Wall Street Journal in June 2011.

    It’s not Rove’s prediction: this is his plan to make sure Obama will lose. That’s fine with me—if Rove prefers vanilla to chocolate, hey, it’s a free country. But how Rove plans to take Obama down is contained in the subhead, and it gives me the chills:

    “even a small drop in the share of black voters would wipe out [Obama’s] winning margin in North Carolina.”

    "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

    by rubyr on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 01:35:35 PM PDT

    •  huh! good catchy, rubyr (5+ / 0-)
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      It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

      by SeaTurtle on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:24:11 PM PDT

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    •  It's really no secret. (5+ / 0-)

      I keep getting told not to throw cold water on everyone's mojo...

      Purging predominantly minority voters and requiring them to present IDs to vote in the face of VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT VOTER FRAUD is RACISM! I hereby declare all consenting Republicans RACISTS until they stand up and object to these practices!

      by Words In Action on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:39:02 PM PDT

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      •  Me too or just flat out ridiculed. They do this (3+ / 0-)

        at our peril. It's not a secret, you are right. It is clearly documented all over the place and has been since around 2001. It makes me crazy. I am not being quiet about it anymore to keep the peace. I am calling em' like I see em' and from the comments in this diary, there are a lot more aware people than I formerly thought and that gives me hope that we can have a sane discussion about the facts of this matter and begin to act and educate. It may be too late but it may be that Obama can get far enough ahead that it won't matter. He is not the wimp that Gore and Kerry were and he might really fight back if something was as blatantly fishy as Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004. It only takes one or two states, if they are swing states and the vote is close.

        I suspect that this crap is going on wholesale at the state and city level and no one is watching at all. I suspect all of the Tea Bag governors that suddenly sprang up are the result of a little vote hanky panky.    

        "Southern nights have you ever felt a southern night?" Allen Toussaint ~~Remember the Gulf of Mexico~~

        by rubyr on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:53:39 PM PDT

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  •  True the Vote is asking for volunteers. Some of (18+ / 0-)

    us ought to infiltrate them--get the dirt on their voter intimidation tactics, then  turn them in or at least expose them to the media. I haven't seen a lot of media coverage of this group--they certainly need more exposure.

    •  This is a GREAT idea. (6+ / 0-)

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:25:34 PM PDT

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      •  Any who do so had better understand the risks. (3+ / 0-)
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        Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

        by JTinDC on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:48:32 PM PDT

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        •  Anyone who's worried about the risks can.... (2+ / 0-)
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          .... take appropriate precautions such as going with a friend (infiltrate in pairs), using a cellphone for self-surveillance (e.g. get a cellphone with unlimited talk time and have the connection open to someone else with a landline and a tape recorder running: but watch your battery life!), etc.

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:20:05 PM PDT

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    •  couldn't agree more, t; yr suggestion v.g. (4+ / 0-)
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      wrote a diary about themthis morning

      They need a lot of exposure.

      It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything. ~~Joseph Stalin

      by SeaTurtle on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:27:01 PM PDT

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    •  Use cell phones to video polling place problems (7+ / 0-)

      I'm not sure that would stop the True the Vote types, but it would provide proof of incidents if intimidation and potentially serve as basis of investigations.  On the other hand, perhaps having 20 cell phones trained on some of these zealots from different angles could dampen their zeal a bit.

    •  YES YES YES: and also see the definition of "true" (2+ / 0-)
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      .... as a verb, which is how they're using it in their name:

      verb ( trues , trued , truing or trueing) [ trans. ]
      bring (an object, wheel, or other construction) into the exact shape, alignment, or position required.  (from the Mac desktop dictionary app).

      Interesting, eh?  

      So YES:  Infiltrate like crazy.  Take detailed notes.  And then at the appropriate strategic moment, publish and prosecute.  Conspiracy to intimidate voters, anyone?  Isn't there a federal statute to that effect, from the Civil Rights era?  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:18:03 PM PDT

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      •  Publish, and watch your back (1+ / 0-)
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        This is no game, if they'll steal an election, one little homicide isn't going to give them pause.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 07:23:04 PM PDT

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        •  See also my item about deterrent strength. (1+ / 0-)
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          Anyone contemplating committing "one little homicide" needs to be painfully aware that the police will pounce them so fast their heads will spin, and they will be prosecuted, and there will be witnesses who will testify, and they will go to prison for the rest of their lives.  

          So travel in pairs, carry cellphones with 911 on an autodial button, know how to use any device you carry that has a camera and microphone, and publicize the fact that we are watching and we will not hesitate to bring the full weight of the law down on the heads of anyone who attempts violence or intimidation to influence or "true" the election.  

          And for those who live in areas where local LE is potentially compromised, be willing, ready, and able to contact the FBI.  Where local LE doesn't do their job, the FBI will swoop in and do it for them.  

          It also helps to practice your "stance," as in, standing up to intimidators and saying things like "don't touch me or I will have you arrested" in a tone that says that you mean business.  

          There's been so much "dishwater taco sauce" (deliberate weakness and victim mentality) going around on the left lately that we practically need to start conducting training sessions and role-plays to teach assertiveness.  But none the less: you can role-play this with friends until you can do it in your sleep.

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 07:51:52 PM PDT

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          •  Tough guy posturing won't do it (1+ / 0-)
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            After the 2004 election a guy was deposed who claimed to have set up the network the GOP used to steal Ohio.  He died in a small plane crash before testifying.  No tough guy stance would have prevented that crash, foul play or not.

            "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

            by Subterranean on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 08:15:33 PM PDT

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            •  Yep (0+ / 0-)

              Nobody is going to want to speak up after stuff like this. It's likely bigger than we can imagine.

              http://rawstory.com/...

              "If these Republicans can't stand up to Rush, how can they stand up to the Iranians?" - Redmond Barry

              by xsonogall on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:02:47 PM PDT

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            •  Putting your tail between your legs and whimpering (1+ / 0-)
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              is posturing, and not the kind we need to adopt.  Standing up for ourselves and not taking bullying is what we need to do.

              Cowering under the bed just because of a small plane crash in 2004 is not reasonable, it's cowardice.

              If fear is your message, then the rest of us who are used to doing what we need to do in spite of fear will reject your caution as cowardice and continue to assert our rights.  

              Eradicate magical thinking

              by Zinman on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:08:42 PM PDT

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              •  Not what I said (0+ / 0-)

                I didn't say to give up, I said to watch your back if your documenting evidence of election fraud, and don't get cocky and think that strutting around like some bad motherfucker is going to keep you safe.  If that scares you so much you want to turn tail and run, that's your problem.  

                I think successfuly combating election fraud will take legal and police action.  Legislation is needed to ensure proper oversight, but that starts at the grass roots level, and it may be cell phone videos that give the needed spark.  In any case, BE CAREFUL.  If a group is serious enough to steal a national election, they won't think twice about putting some witness in the hospital, or worse.

                "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

                by Subterranean on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 12:03:29 AM PDT

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                •  strutting around isn't what does it. (0+ / 0-)

                  Having the legal backup (Election Protection lawyers with staff & volunteers) is what does it.  

                  Carrying two cellphones, one in your pocket with the camera aimed outward, and one in your hand, helps.

                  Working in pairs, helps a hell of a lot.  One to have the conversation, one to serve as a witness.  

                  Practicing and rehearsing until you can do it in your sleep helps a hell of a lot too.  Think "New England Quaker activist nonviolence training."  That's how the Quaker-led protests always stayed peaceful: they practiced and rehearsed and role-played.  

                  And having all of this replicated coast-to-coast so it stands unified and strong is best of all.  Strength in numbers.  

                  We're smarter than the badguys.  Ultimately we're stronger.  All we have to do is put that strength to use and we're unbeatable.    

                  "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                  by G2geek on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:07:33 PM PDT

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            •  Good God!, go and prove my point for me. (1+ / 0-)
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              No, let's not be tough, let's keep being weak, and then we can keep writing diaries titled "We are all (the name of the latest victim of some atrocity or another)!"

              And let's have dishwater sauce with those tacos.  Right.

              First of all, NEVER use small airplanes!  (And always use random passwords, never publish your birth date online, and wear your seatbelts when you're in a car.  Sheesh, all of this stuff ought to be second-nature to all of us!)

              There were a whole bunch of "interesting" small plane crash deaths in the 00s, including a couple of Representatives and possibly a Senator (the name Carnahan was one of them).  

              Small plane sabotage is terribly easy to do, difficult to detect, and deadly.  Even worse: helicopters.

              Fly on regular commercial airlines only.  The neocons aren't going to follow you onto the plane and put arsenic in your beverage.  Worst you have to endure is a long security line and a cramped seat.   Best of all, take the train if possible.

              Really: strength requires the willingness to take risks and to live a more security-conscious lifestyle.  That's nothing that millions of ghetto-dwellers don't do every day as they routinely dodge dangers that are a hell of a lot more pervasive and deadly than any neocon attack brigade trying to take down a suburb-dweller with a defiant attitude.  If people in the inner cities can deal with security issues out of sheer necessity, more of us can start doing it with a deliberate purpose in mind.

              As for "tough-guy posturing," it's not posturing when it's followed up by appropriate action.  "Step back from that line of voters and stop intimidating them, or I will call our Election Protection lawyer right this moment and have you served with papers."  Then DO IT, dammit!  Call that lawyer!  

              And if we're properly organized, the lawyer's paralegal will write up the docs, the lawyer will sign them, and an assistant will hop on a motor scooter to get them to the polling place in record time.   The first voter-harrassing bully who gets a wad of legal documents shoved in his face, right on the spot at the polling place, is the beginning of the END of voter intimidation.  Mark my words.

              "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

              by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:11:45 PM PDT

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              •  Way to prove my point (0+ / 0-)

                You didn't say all that at first, all you said was to walk around like some bad mofo.  Now you're agreeing with me, acting like a badass isn't enough.

                I didn't bring up the small plane accident to start CTs about the 00s (nothing wrong with them, just not the place for it).  My point is simply that the thugs at the higher levels of the GOP party structure are fucking dead serious, and will silence any witnesses by any means necessary.  Are we going to merit silencing by taking cell phone photos at the polls?  Not likely, but better to be careful than sorry.  

                "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

                by Subterranean on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 12:11:28 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

                •  then it looks like we all agree! (0+ / 0-)

                  Practice and rehearse, have legal teams at the ready, strength in numbers, and no strutting needed: just as matter-of-fact as a CHP officer writing a speeding ticket.

                  The "small planes in the 00s" stuff isn't CT until there's an identifiable conspiracy to theorize about.  All it is for now is "very suspicious."  As in, "UFO" doesn't mean "alien space ship," it only means "unidentified."  One can use the words denotatively without attaching the connotations.

                  "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

                  by G2geek on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:11:26 PM PDT

                  [ Parent ]

  •  Serious business. (10+ / 0-)

    All of those states add up to 245 electoral votes. Definitely enough to swing the election one way or the other.

    "Let's put the jam on the lower shelf so the little people can reach it." - Ralph Yarborough

    by Zutroy on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 01:48:11 PM PDT

  •  This crap only happens because it's tolerated. (10+ / 0-)

    Don't tolerate their bullshit, period.

    GOTV!

    "We see things not as they are, but as we are." - John Milton

    by Jasonhouse on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 01:50:10 PM PDT

    •  GOTV (3+ / 0-)

      may not help if the fix is in the vote counting...

      They interfere with:

      voting requirements
      voter registration
      voting time/place information
      voting requirement information
      voting schedules
      voting locations
      voting machine allocations
      voting methods
      ballots
      voting location intimidation
      vote counting
      vote count reporting

      Every little hurdle they can to stop voters here and there. It all adds up. That's the whole point.

      Purging predominantly minority voters and requiring them to present IDs to vote in the face of VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT VOTER FRAUD is RACISM! I hereby declare all consenting Republicans RACISTS until they stand up and object to these practices!

      by Words In Action on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:43:45 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  K.I.S.S. version with action link (6+ / 0-)

    You had me at GOP and steal and vote......

    Gotta dash.

    Would love a quicky brief abstract with ACTION link.

  •  Wouldn't it be cheaper and easier for them (7+ / 0-)

    to just dispense with all the pretense, mass all their weapons together, take the govt by force, and then put Fox News and Rush Limbaugh in charge of all media?

    Someone above said people don't want to hear about this. It's not that I don't want to hear about it; it's that it depresses me so much, because I look at what they have: the money, the MSM, the voting machines, the memes ("voter fraud," "election integrity,") the foresight to make sure they win state legislatures in census years -- you name it, if it's a way to rig the system, they've appropriated it.

    And then I look at what we have -- good policy, good intentions, and the truth -- and I realize the enormity of what we are up against. I feel hopeless. (Yeah, I know, the truth is a strong weapon. But only if it can be disseminated. When 25-30% of the populace is only willing to listen to sources that lie to them, and wouldn't believe the sky is blue if it was told to them by non-Fox media, that weapon is seriously blunted.)

    I know Obama was very keen on getting health care passed, but, as I said at the time, he really should have and started by addressing systemic corruption in the government and in our elections. He had the mojo at that time to have achieved some real victories in this area.

    "These are not candidates. These are the empty stand-ins for lobbyists' policies to be legislated later." - Chimpy, 9/24/10

    by NWTerriD on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:24:38 PM PDT

  •  I've been saying this all along (6+ / 0-)

    Republicans don't plan on "winning" this election, they plan on stealing it (see, Ohio, PA and Florida). And they're not even trying to hide that fact this time around.

    At this point, I'm not afraid of Romeny, he's a clown. I'm afraid of the multi-millions in SuperPac money that he has supporting him, and the Voter Suppression laws that Republican governors have passed.

    Chicago--Proud Home of the 1907-08 World Series Champion Chicago Cubs

    by Jeff Y on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:32:30 PM PDT

    •  don't be "afraid." get PISSED and RESIST! (1+ / 0-)
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      We need to control the emotional narrative here:

      Fear is self-defeating.

      Anger is empowering, as long as it's honed to a sharp edge and wielded strategically.  

      "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

      by G2geek on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:22:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  And put the PRESS on notice. They are the (1+ / 0-)
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        arbitors of legitimacy and Republicans are counting on them to behave as before, lawyerly parsing technical points, shrugging, and accepting that exit polls-- that had always been right before, now aren't--and rushing to announce the annointed winner by 11 PM Eastern.

        PUT THEM ON NOTICE. We are watching you.

        Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

        by Catskill Julie on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 06:59:19 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  and put them on notice: we will STOP watching... (1+ / 0-)
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          .... if you don't play fair, and your audience numbers will decline.  That's also power: the power of the boycott.  

          "Minus two votes for the Democrat" equals "plus one vote for the Republican." Arithmetic doesn't care about your feelings.

          by G2geek on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:12:35 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  That's precisely the reason (5+ / 0-)

    that they keep predicting the polls are wrong, that Romney will win by wide margins, blah blah.

    Trying to deflect criticism if he wins a state that the polls say he is losing to Obama by double digits, or by any margin.

    Why is it that a 3% tax increase for the wealthy is considered "socialism" and an 8% wage cut for the middle class is "doing your part"? MartyM

    by delphine on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:42:46 PM PDT

  •  I watched "Recount" yesterday (6+ / 0-)

    If you are not taking this Diary seriously then I suggest you watch Recount. As I live in Australia I found it very difficult to get hold of a copy, i ended up ordering it from the US on amazon.
     Even though I was aware of what happened in 2000 the movie showed how absolutely sleazy the GOP were in ensuring victory while the Dems were all but asleep at the wheel, and many (Warren Christopher) were stupid enough to believe the GOP would play fair once the discrepancies had been exposed. In case you have forgotten the GOP fought with everything they had to stop a hand recount.
     Thanks to this Diary i will watch "Uncounted" as soon as I can

    Whoever controls the media, the images, controls the culture

    by nezzclay on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:47:17 PM PDT

  •  It is maddening that we might see this again (3+ / 0-)
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    Another cabal of advisers so sure of themselves that they lie and cheat to advance the causes that they are sure are right.  If Romney wins we will surely see a repeat of the fiasco of the Bush foreign policy.

  •  "Hacking Democracy" (12+ / 0-)

    which is linked in the Brad Blog is the true story of my local Supervisor of Elections who hired a company test the Diebold system that was going to be mandated by the state to be used in all Florida precincts and that is what this video showed.  

    Ion Sancho is the Supervisor of Elections in Leon County Florida for the last 20 years.  He is the man in the white dress shirt and one of the best Supervisors of Elections in the entire US and has testified before Congress about the elections process.  After having the Diebold system independently tested, Sancho refused to use the Diebold systems because they were not secure.  As a result of his refusal, Ion Sancho caught a lot of flak from the state for having the system tested and was even threatened to be removed from office by the state for refusing to use the Diebold system.  Ion Sancho was also the first Supervisor of Elections in Florida to refuse to do the voter purge that Gov. Scott mandated.  
    http://www.youtube.com/...

    "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

    by gulfgal98 on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 02:59:40 PM PDT

    •  Great addition, gulfgal98 (3+ / 0-)
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      Here's the embed

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:03:35 PM PDT

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      •  Thank you (2+ / 0-)
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        I tried several times to embed and finally gave up.  Let's just say that, well........I am terminally, technologically challenged.

        This is why probably the most important person you can elect is your Supervisor of Elections.  The Supervisors of Elections are our guardians of democracy.  Ion Sancho ran for Supervisor of Elections after a horrendously botched election that resulted in the previous Supervisor being removed from his post.  Since Sancho came in, Leon County, Florida has been a paragon of well run and very accurate elections.

        "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

        by gulfgal98 on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:37:10 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Here's how I embed a vid (1+ / 0-)
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          Under the youtube videos there is a SHARE option.  

          click on SHARE

          then click on EMBED

          then copy/paste the embed coding that starts with iframe width blah blah blah

          Here's one

          "Check My Record As Governor" - Romney & Economy

          It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

          by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:46:42 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Thanks, does this mean (1+ / 0-)
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            I do not use the links paste then?  I am guessing that is where my problem was.

            Eventually, I might actually learn how to do some of this stuff.  Then I might try writing more diaries.  LOL

            Again thank you.

            "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

            by gulfgal98 on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:11:37 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  You are welcome. Someone here taught me (2+ / 0-)
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              No, don't use the URL at top of screen.

              Follow instructions above.  Go to YT, pic a vid, follow instructions and post one here, K?  Let me know if you hit a snag and I will walk you through it again.  : ))

              It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

              by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:34:07 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

  •  Wondering why the big GOP money was pulling (4+ / 0-)
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    out of key states.

    Notice: This Comment © 2012 ROGNM

    by ROGNM on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:12:10 PM PDT

  •  There must be some integrity in the system (3+ / 0-)
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    Otherwise the Republicans wouldn't put so much effort into suppressing the vote with ID laws etc.

    Re-elect President Obama because we don't need another selfish President

    by Timmethy on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:23:03 PM PDT

  •  As important as GOTV is, election monitoring is (5+ / 0-)

    equally important, especially in the swing states. GOTV and then monitor the vote!

    Purging predominantly minority voters and requiring them to present IDs to vote in the face of VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT VOTER FRAUD is RACISM! I hereby declare all consenting Republicans RACISTS until they stand up and object to these practices!

    by Words In Action on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:46:02 PM PDT

  •  Truthfully I'd hoped to see this diary filled with (1+ / 0-)
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    comments of derision and ridicule. Maybe even a few HRs in the tip jar. That's not meant to be any reflection on WoE. That's just how desperately I'd like for what this diary is saying to be untrue with regard to this election, despite what I believe is true about past elections. If there's anything to this why would Dems and Team Obama appear not have lifted a finger to combat machine tampering?

    Here's a question. If control of our government is stolen by fraudulent means and the bias of the SC prevents an impartial ruling, is it treason for us to take control of our government back by force if necessary?

    Ds see human suffering and wonder what they can do to relieve it. Rs see human suffering and wonder how they can profit from it.

    by JTinDC on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 03:52:02 PM PDT

    •  JT I let the previous comment go (0+ / 0-)

      However, I have to assert the following in order to step forward with my stand:

      Please do not make references, no matter how subtle, to any form of force (you used the word blood upstream) in my diaries.  I have zero tolerance for this language because there are those who will seize on language like yours to paint people on this site with a broad brush.  I find such language repugnant, but mostly unhelpful to the democracy I so strongly desire to help protect.  Thank you for your future compliance.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 04:23:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  And if election tampering is revealed (2+ / 0-)
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    by the exit polls, nothing to see, move along...the corporate media just doesn't report exit polls any longer, because they DO show evidence tampering.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 05:15:28 PM PDT

    •  Yep, in 2000 the (3+ / 0-)

      media pooled their money to use Edison-Mitofsky as their exit poll source.

      On election night screen shots show that their was a huge inexplicable correction of the exit poll results to make it show a Bush win.

      Statisticians cried foul and asked for the raw data to support this crazy turn of events, but Edison-Mitofsky--despite providing a "scientifically verifiable statistics model" did the unthinkable in any scientific endeavor--they refused to share the raw data.

      In the meantime, the mega-corporation owned MSM started to call anyone who questioned the results "tin foil hatters."  The people continued to try to count the vote in Florida were also crazy.  

      Next there was the Bush vs. Gore Supreme Court ruling that even the Supreme Court said should not set a precedent.

      This all adds up to a coup d'tat!

      So can this happen again?  

      Of course!!!

      Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

      by Einsteinia on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 05:26:15 PM PDT

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      •  IIRC, that happened in 2004 as well (1+ / 0-)
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        Early exit poll results showed a Kerry win.  Then the results were inexplicably revised to show a Dubya win.

        Later, it was revealed that those polls were not yet corrected with actual vote tallies.  So by 2004 the exit polls were no longer a valid test of the election integrity, since they used the reported results to "correct" the data.  And few people seem troubled that exit polling needs to be "corrected" with the reported election results!

        The nonchalance with which any voting irregularities are swept away is really disturbing.  Yet, somehow, individual voter fraud deserves national attention and is not so readily dismissed by the same corporate media.  

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 08:24:51 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Yes, indeed (1+ / 0-)
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          the Carter Commission that oversees elections overseas (under the former President Jimmy Carter that is above reproach) would not oversee our elections in the U.S. because we do not meet their MINIMUM standards of election hygiene, whereas countries like El Salvador do!

          Tea Party followers wrap yourself in the flag with that little tidbit!

          Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

          by Einsteinia on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 08:35:30 PM PDT

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    •  Exit Polliing is a point to be pushed right NOW (0+ / 0-)

      with the press. NOW.

      Calls to the network and wire ELECTION DESKS now, while they are planning.

      They need to understand that their readers and viewers are ON to this. Exit polling MUST be done, and MUST be REPORTED.

      Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

      by Catskill Julie on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:09:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Absolutely true (1+ / 0-)
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    that the Greedy Oppressor Party will stop at nothing to save their patrons a dime!

    If you think the brazen suppression of voters rights and cronyism that led to Citizen United type decisions are bad, you have to be aware what is being done to our voting integrity:

    We have gone from a decentralized voting system that can verify a real person in a neighborhood can cast a ballot and then can be checked on site BEFORE transit

    to

    a centralized anonymous system (e.g. electronic voting with a worthless disconnected "receipt", vote by mail, internet voting) where votes are counted behind closed doors -- basically on the honor system -- at this point any public witnessing is a charade of watching people feed paper into a machine from at least 10 feet away & usually supervised by people appointed not elected

    SOLUTION:  We must go back to voting in local precincts where votes can be cast by bona fide "people" from your neighborhood (not phantom ballots added to the mix that are impossible to trace due our important secret ballot anonymity. Also, at least some of the races on the ballot must be selected randomly on election night to be hand counted in order check the accuracy of the Optiscan machine tallies, on election night, before witnesses, and then the tallies must be reported before transport.

    Can local precincts get commandeered?  Yes, a thug can go to a precinct and strong arm it or lose a ballot box to the Bay, BUT it is 100% more secure than a HUGE centralized precinct that can be commandeered without public viewing.  For example, there are 5,000 precincts in Los Angeles; therefore, if people actually voted in their local precincts (instead of using vote by mail) it would take a whole lot of visible thuggery to overcome an election.  

    (Vote by mail used to be only used in less than 2% of the vote, because you had to provide an excuse as to why you needed this option.  Nowadays most regions permit "no fault" vote by mail and so people use it for its convenience.  The price for the convenience is a far less secure method of voting than voting in the precinct.)

    Separation of Church and State AND Corporation

    by Einsteinia on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 05:19:29 PM PDT

  •  Only 2 states on that map actually matter (1+ / 0-)
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    War on Error

    Florida and Virginia, maybe Wisconsin.  Yes it is reprehensible but we can overcome it.

  •  I flew from Asia to work on the Kerry 2004 (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    War on Error, MA Mom

    campaign. Just as I was typing this, I looked up to see my 'Blue Area' pass for the 'celebration.'

    The 'Blue Area' was filled with a 'who's who' of Boston's Democratic elite, and everyone was having a great time rocking out to The Black Eyed Peas, James Taylor, etc.

    On either side of the stage were huge monitors showing the electoral tally.

    Sheryl Crow was singing 'All I Wanna Do', if memory serves, when the shock hit: Ohio went red on the screens.

    'Son of a bitch, they fucking stole it!' was all I could think.

    It took a few moments for the implications of a red Ohio to filter through the audience.

    Nobody talked.

    Just stood there in stunned silence.

    draw a window on the wall to remind you of the silkrain that makes things grow - Yoko Ono

    by quinn on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 06:56:15 PM PDT

  •  fraud (1+ / 0-)
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    The info is a little detailed most people give more credence to the process than it really deserves if u look deeply in palast book on election and more recent book on rove its clear that bush stole last election and efforts are underway to steal this one.  Most people are comfortable with notion it couldn't happen in america they are naive.

  •  I see you wrote... (1+ / 0-)
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    "Maybe we could all email the UNITED NATIONS and beg for UN help to insure the integrity of our elections, like other countries do."

    We all remember Jimmy Carter's answer right?

    "A few days before the November 2004 election, Jimmy Carter was asked what would happen if, instead of flying to Zambia or Venezuela or East Timor, his widely respected international election-monitoring team was invited to turn its attention to the United States. His answer was stunningly blunt. Not only would the voting system be regarded as a failure, he said, but the shortcomings were so egregious the Carter Center would never agree to monitor an election there in the first place...The American political system wouldn't measure up to any sort of international standards, for several reasons."
    And it just keeps getting worse.
  •  our local RW radio stations are key for voter (2+ / 0-)
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    suppression - they were integral in selling and making excuses for every aspect of it over the last 10 years, since rove made the white house.

    they told communities computers made elections cheap efficient on and on and soon they will once again create the impression that half the country thinks obama is stealing elections, and will bring out irate outraged citizens in any election challenge around the country.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sat Sep 15, 2012 at 11:15:07 PM PDT

  •  wasn't bradblog part of a huge flap here? (0+ / 0-)

    and Beverly somebody as well...bannings, warnings et6c because it was all so ct sounding..I can't remember exactly but wondered wtf it was about....

    anybody remember that?

    This machine kills Fascists.

    by KenBee on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 12:07:04 AM PDT

  •  Like they did in 2008? (0+ / 0-)

    This is ridiculous.

  •  I want to help at the polls (2+ / 0-)
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    Like I have done every presidential cycle (and a few in between) but I now live in Georgia and it seems like a lost cause even trying here.

    Anyone know how I can get hook up with helping out in Florida, maybe?

    •  EVERY qualified citizen deserves to be REGISTERED, (2+ / 0-)
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      to be able to VOTE, and to have their vote COUNTED--without intimidation or interference.

      You could do holy work down there. I'd love to read diaries about your election experiences in a new locale. Where were you before?

      Okay, the Government says you MUST abort your child. NOW do you get it?

      by Catskill Julie on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:19:27 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I've been helping register locally (1+ / 0-)
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        and I know I can do good in any Georgia district on election day, but I think my efforts might be better served making sure Obama wins Florida.

        I worked in 2000 & 2004 in PA, then 06 and 08 in NH.  We're kinda vagabonds.  :-)

        I am an attorney and have done both voter and poll worker education and training, poll watched (inside and out), driven people to the polls, pretty much have and will do anything I can.  

        I just need to get hooked up with the right group down there and don't know where to start.

  •  I have been promoting this idea for a long (1+ / 0-)
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    time: we need the OSCE or some other international election monitor in here.

    Whether you call it "theft" or "fraud" "voter suppression", "hysteria" or "CT"--it is obvious enough that the integrity of our voting system is sorely compromised.

    We need international monitors, and we need them to be observing this process NOW, not after the fact.

  •  sounds like an episode (2+ / 0-)
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    of Mission: Impossible - unrig the vote counting machine to record votes accurately...

    ''The guarding of military and diplomatic secrets at the expense of informed representative government provides no real security for our Republic.'' - Justice Hugo L. Black of the Supreme Court

    by geekydee on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 07:36:02 AM PDT

  •  Of course they will. And they will succeed in (1+ / 0-)
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    many districts.

    The election apparatus is this nation is atrocious. People have been trying to get wider attention on this problem for years now, but, as with all things, there's too much denial and apathy.

    Purging predominantly minority voters and requiring them to present IDs to vote in the face of VIRTUALLY NON-EXISTENT VOTER FRAUD is RACISM! I hereby declare all consenting Republicans RACISTS until they stand up and object to these practices!

    by Words In Action on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 09:09:00 AM PDT

  •  Every Citizen, Every Vote, Must Count (1+ / 0-)
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    The Burden should be on the Person or the Party who questions the Vote.  The burden should be on the machine to prove the count.

    We should have a madatory proof of every machine to confirm the accuracy.  

    Our Vote is the only Fundamental Right from which every other right is derived.  

    When the Right challenges our Vote, they challenge our Rights.

    Dick Cheney said, "Pi$$ on 'em!" And, Ronald Reagan replied, "That's a Great Idea. Let's Call it 'Trickle Down Economics!"

    by NM Ray on Sun Sep 16, 2012 at 09:38:28 AM PDT

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