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Here is my current take on the JFK assassination. I am often tweaking this but one thing that remains constant is that it was US military intelligence with the full & enthusiastic cooperation of Lyndon Johnson who murdered John Kennedy, for many reasons both personal and ideological (Cuba policy, Cold War reasons)

Robert Morrow    Austin, TX    512-306-1510

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Lyndon Johnson and the CIA murdered JFK in the 1963 Coup d'Etat

The LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK

Here is my “LBJ and CIA killed JFK” file:

    There are a lot of good web links and other info in this file. I would SKIM it first and see what catches your eye. Also, here is a very helpful Amazon listmania of top 40 books to read on the 1963 Coup d’Etat: http://www.amazon.com/...= If you have any questions or comments, feel free to call me at 512-306-1510. I also urge folks to buy the excellent LBJ: The Mastermind of JFK's Assassination by Phillip Nelson. Here is a more inclusive bibliography of 800 books relating to the JFK assassination: http://lyndonjohnsonmurderedjfk.blogspot.com/...

Robert Morrow Austin, TX- my blog: http://lyndonjohnsonmurderedjfk.blogspot.com/

The LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK

    Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy in the 1963 Coup d’Etat. (People like Clint Murchison Sr., H.L. Hunt, Ed Clark, D.H. Byrd, Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller, David Rockefeller, top Nelson Rockefeller aide Henry Kissinger, McGeorge Bundy, George Herbert Walker Bush, Gen. Edward Lansdale (CIA), Gen. Curtis LeMay, Jack Crichton, Gen. Charles Willoughby, and J. Edgar Hoover all are excellent candidates for elite sponsorship.) Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may very well have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination; with the CIA in charge of the killing of JFK, and Lyndon Johnson and (his close friend and neighbor of 19 years in Washington, DC) FBI director J. Edgar Hoover in charge of the cover up.

By September 16, 1965, the Soviet KGB had concluded that Lyndon Johnson was responsible for the JFK assassination. On 12/1/66 J. Edgar Hoover sent a memo to LBJ which stated:

"On September 16, 1965, this same source reported that the KGB Residency in New York City received instructions approximately September 16, 1965, from KGB headquarters in Moscow to develop all possible information concerning President Lyndon B. Johnson's character, background, personal friends, family, and from which quarters he derives his support in his position as President of the United States. Our source added that in the instructions from Moscow, it was indicated that "now" the KGB was in possession of data purporting to indicate President Johnson was responsible for the assassination of the late President John F. Kennedy. KGB headquarters indicated that in view of this information, it was necessary for the Soviet Government to know the existing personal relationship between President Johnson and the Kennedy family, particularly between President Johnson and Robert and "Ted" Kennedy."

This memo is of blockbuster significance because it reveals what the world's largest foreign intelligence organization had concluded who was responsible for the JFK assassination: Lyndon Johnson. Note: the Soviet press has been saying for decades that Texas oil men, LBJ's closest backers, were behind the JFK assassination.

    Clint Murchison, Sr – as much as H.L. Hunt – was a key player in the JFK assassination because of his close ties to the inner core of US intelligence (Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller, John J. McCloy), close ties to Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, bankers Rockefellers; Murchison was even friends with key Kennedy-hater mafia godfather Carlos Marcellos of New Orleans. Not only that, Murchison, Sr. was a patient and partner of Dr. Alton Oschner, the former president of the American Cancer Society and who ran covert cancer research for the CIA. Oschner, likewise was a Kennedy-hater. John Simkin: “One of Ochsner's friends described him as being ‘like a fundamentalist preacher in the sense that the fight against communism was the only subject that he would talk about, or even allow you to talk about, in his presence.”
    When JFK was slaughtered, Russia’s Khrushchev was literally crying, fearing nuclear war. Cuba’s Castro worried and feared an US invasion and gave an impressive speech the next day deconstructing the CIA’s deception provocation for war. Meanwhile at Clint Murchison’s home, their family maid May Newman describes the scene: “The mood in the Murchison family home was very joyous and happy. For a whole week after like champagne and caviar flowed, every day of the week. But I was the only one in that household at that time that felt any grief for his assassination."
     The Warren Commission should have really been called the “Allen Dulles Commission” because he controlled it and made it the farce that it was. Dulles was probably an elite sponsor (i.e. murderer), as well as certainly Lyndon Johnson. The 3 hardcore cover up artists on the Warren Commission were the 3 Council on Foreign Relations members: Allen Dulles (president CFR 1946-50), John J. McCloy (then chairman of the CFR 1953-1970) and Gerald Ford (CFR member, later president). John J. McCloy was a Rockefeller man, former head of Chase Manhattan bank, and very deep US intelligence since the OSS days. John J. McCloy’s nickname was “Chairman of the American Establishment,” and he mixed at the highest levels of business, intelligence and he was close to the Kennedy-hating Texas business elite. Cover up artist Gerald Ford was secretly reporting to Hoover and the FBI what the Warren Commission was doing. In 1970, Newsweek called Gerald Ford the “CIA’s best friend in Congress.” The CFR especially 40 years ago, was heavily Rockefeller influenced and it top players were deep CIA.

    The CIA has been called the military wing of the CFR; and actually that is not too far from the truth. The CFR was in its heyday from 1950-1990.

    John McCloy, chairman of the CFR and a monumental figure in U.S. intelligence, went white wing dove hunting with Clint Murchison, Sr. on Murchison's ranch in Mexico in the summer of 1963. Both Allen Dulles, who built the CIA, and McCloy had close ties to the Texas business elite. Clint Murchison, Sr. and H.L. Hunt were two of Lyndon Johnson's closest and most powerful supporters. H.L. Hunt was in Los Angeles at the 1960 Democratic convention urging Johnson to take (or strong arm, more accurately) the vice presidential slot of the Demo ticket.

    Here is an absolutely spectacular article why the National Security State murdered John Kennedy: http://www.lewrockwell.com/... John Kennedy was despised by and did not control his CIA nor his Joint Chiefs of Staff.

    At the peak of the Cuban Missile Crisis, John Kennedy told a treasured mistress, Mimi Beardsley, "I'd rather my children red than dead." This was at the same time the Joint Chiefs of Staff and VP Lyndon Johnson were urging him to bomb Cuba. Krushchev accepted Kennedy's deal the next day, thus forestalling imminent nuclear war.

    Lyndon Johnson’s reasons to murder were out of his deep desperation and fear of what would become of him after his imminent expulsion from the 1964 Democratic ticket and his fears of going to jail over the exploding Bobby Baker scandal. LIFE magazine, being fed extremely damaging info by Robert Kennedy, was set to run an expose on Lyndon Johnson’s corruption that would blow him out of the water once and for all (Dec. 6th issue, but due to be printed and mailed on 11/29/63: source James Wagenvoord who worked at LIFE then). Bobby Baker was the protégé of a wildly corrupt LBJ in the Senate; Lyndon Johnson was like both a dad and a big brother to Bobby Baker (who named two of his children after LBJ: Lynda and Lyndon). Both Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Baker were receiving tremendous amounts of under-the-table money while Johnson was running the Senate. The Kennedys and LIFE Magazine were literally days away from politically executing Lyndon Johnson with the rope of the unraveling Bobby Baker scandal. Ominously, the Senate Rules Committee was also investigating Johnson's corruption. After vaporizing the despised Lyndon Johnson, John Kennedy was going to replace LBJ most likely with Gov. Terry Sanford of North Carolina or possibly his good friend Sen. George Smathers of Florida as VP on the 1964 Democratic ticket.

    The Kennedys and Lyndon Johnson were having a sub rosa fight: Jack and Robert Kennedy brought knives to the battle and Lyndon Johnson brought guns and it was settled on 11/22/63 at 12:30 PM in Dallas.

    Lately, I have been studying the role of McGeorge Bundy, the National Security Advisor for JFK and Henry Cabot Lodge, JFK’s insubordinate ambassador to Vietnam who Kennedy was planning to fire on Monday, 11/25/63. It is probable that McGeorge Bundy was involved in the JFK assassination. (Henry Cabot Lodge, too? Perhaps.) McGeorge Bundy, astonishingly, was already drafting sharp escalations to JFK’s Vietnam policy NSAM 273 (which JFK would not have approved) on 11/21/63, the night before the 1963 Coup d’Etat! McGeorge Bundy, while running the White House Situation Room, was also assuring others unreasonably quickly on 11/22/63 that there was no conspiracy to kill JFK, at a time when it was impossible for him (or anyone) to credibly be saying that because the early evidence was strong that there was a shooter of JFK from the front. McGeorge Bundy later ran the Ford Foundation from 1966-1979.

    William Bundy (CIA and CFR), the brother of McGeorge Bundy (CIA and CFR), was the one of who literally wrote the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which gave Johnson broad authorization to escalate the Vietnam War. Gulf of Tonkin passed on August 10, 1964.

    JFK’s Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, who ran the Rockefeller Foundation from 1952-1961, and was also a hawk on Vietnam, is another one who merits close scrutiny in the Coup of 1963. Kennedy had appointed Rusk because it was unlikely that the Senate would confirm JFK’s first choice J. William Fulbright, who later became a prominent opponent of the Vietnam War. After the 1963 Coup d’Etat, Rusk lasted through all the blood and guts of Vietnam and all the way through Jan., 1969, as Johnson’s Secretary of State. Walt Rostow (CFR), another Vietnam hawk, replaced McGeorge Bundy (CFR) as National Security Advisor in 1966. The CFR and the Rockefellers, not John Kennedy, lusted for the Vietnam War.

    Gen. Edward Lansdale, the CIA's expert on coups and assassinations, was identified onsite at Dealey Plaza by Col. Fletcher Prouty and Gen. Victor Krulak both who worked closely with Lansdale. I think it is a near certainty that Lansdale, the CIA's expert on coups and assassinations, was in Dallas to organize the JFK assassination. Lansdale had run the Operation Mongoose covert operations against Castro for the Kennedys - an experience that Lansdale found to be extremely frustrating.

    The midlevel murderers (field operations) of JFK would include CIA guys like, James Angleton, David Atlee Phillips, David Morales, William King Harvey, E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, Luis Posada, Orlando Bosch, Bernardo De Torres, Richard Helms and perhaps Cord Meyer. Deputy Harry Weatherford is a good candidate to have been on the Records Building as a sniper. Influential mobster Johnny Roselli was especially close friends with the CIA’s William King Harvey, a rabid Kennedy hater. The most likely mafia godfathers involved would be Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante, particularly in the Jack Ruby murder of Oswald and perhaps in the JFK Assassination as well and other murders in the post assassination cover up.

    James Angleton, the CIA's head of counter-intelligence was such a close protege of Allen Dulles that Angleton literally carried the ashes of Allen Dulles at his funeral. Angleton is thought to have been running Oswald when Oswald was a fake defector to Russia from 1959-1962. Dulles was the key player manipulating the cover up on the Warren Commission.

    In 1976 anti-Castro Cuban leader Antonio Veciana told the HSCA that he saw "Maurice Biship" (aka David Atlee Phillips) with Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas. Oswald was US intelligence.

    It is certainly possible that businessman William Pawley was also involved in the JFK assassination. Pawley's high level connections were immaculate and his associations with CIA and anti-Casto Cuban Kennedy-haters were deep. Call him a suspect.

    Jack Revill, who was the intelligence head of the Dallas Police Department and thus liaison with the CIA and FBI, played a key role in framing Oswald post JFK assassination, particularly in regards to the testimony of Charles Givens.

    I do think the Secret Service was involved in the JFK Assassination. Good candidates for facilitators would be James Rowley, the head of the Secret Service and a close friend of Lyndon Johnson. Anytime you hear the phrase "a close friend of Lyndon Johnson," an alarm bell should go clattering off in your head; it is a red flag. Roy Kellerman exhibited suspicious behavior, but he did testify that a flurry of shots came into the limo. I do not think Emory Roberts or the driver William Greer were involved in the JFK assassination based on the reports of people who knew them.

    Kennedy's limo was put out in the front of the motorcade with the security stripped down, making for an easy target. Leadership could have ordered details such as that.

    We now know Lyndon Johnson was far worse than he is presented in current biographies. Far beyond ballot stuffing, bribery, massive under-the-table kickbacks, and being a consummate and pathological liar, Lyndon Johnson was murdering a lot of people in Texas to cover up his eye popping corruption. A prime example is the murder of US agricultural official Henry Marshall in June, 1961, and who then Vice President Lyndon Johnson arranged to have murdered. In the 1980’s, Billie Sol Estes, a close and corrupt partner of LBJ, began confessing to the murders that he, Lyndon Johnson, Cliff Carter and LBJ’s personal hit man Malcolm Wallace committed. Lyndon Johnson, a manic depressive – and at times a barely functioning psychopath - murdered perhaps 10-20 people to avoid exposure before he got his knife wet with John Kennedy’s blood.

    Lyndon Johnson and Sam Rayburn, taking advantage of Hoover’s dossier on JFK, used sexual blackmail and other threats on John Kennedy on the night of July 13th at the 1960 Democratic convention in Los Angeles in order to force Kennedy to put LBJ on the ticket. Johnson was not on JFK’s short list for VP; he was not on the long list. LBJ was not on the VP list – period. Johnson had made a hostile take over of the vice presidential slot.

    John Kennedy told his close friend Hy Raskin: “You know we had never considered Lyndon, but I was left with no choice. He and Sam Rayburn made it damn clear to me that Lyndon had to be the candidate. Those bastards were trying to frame me. They threatened me with problems and I don’t need more problems. I’m going to have enough problems with Nixon.” Evelyn Lincoln, JFK’s secretary for 11+ years, also confirms that Lyndon Johnson used sexual blackmail combined with other threats to force JFK to put LBJ on the 1960 Democratic ticket.

    My current thinking on US intelligence agent Lee Harvey Oswald is that he was indeed involved in the JFK assassination, but he was a patsy who shot NO ONE that day, neither John Kennedy nor Officer J.D. Tippit. Both murders were complete frame jobs. Oswald was a fake defector to Russia and his behavior in New Orleans 1963 was all about Oswald’s sheep dipping as he passed out pro-Castro flyers and pretended to be a “pro-Castro Marxist.” Meanwhile Oswald was working in concert in New Orleans with folks like David Ferrie and Guy Bannister whose politics were the equivalent of a 1960’s Strom Thurmond or Jesse Helms. Oswald’s fake public persona as a “pro-Casto Marxist” meant that he was an ideal pick as a patsy and his likely knowledge of and/or participation in the JFK Assassination meant that he had to be murdered quickly. The folks who killed Oswald wanted a “dead Red” not a “talking head.” The JFK assassination was a deception provocation intended to facilitate a US military invasion of Cuba. It was that bad and ugly. A US invasion of Cuba might have provoked a broader war with Russia and from the point of view of some like Air Force General Curtis LeMay that was fine because, astoundingly, he wanted to wage and “win” a nuclear WWIII. Curtis LeMay hated Kennedy so much that a child could have recruited him into a plot to kill Kennedy. LeMay told Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis that he was an appeaser equivalent to Neville Chamberlain for not bombing Cuba.

    That was the pool of sharks John Kennedy was swimming in: a desperate and psychopathic serial killer Vice-President Lyndon Johnson who was literally murdering a string of people down in Texas and who was waging a sub rosa war with the Kennedys, an out-of-control CIA hell bent on a coup; an FBI director Hoover who detested JFK and who was close friends and neighbors with LBJ, and a JCS military brass who wanted to invade Cuba, wage the war in Vietnam, and Curtis LeMay who, according to Robert McNamara, wanted to wage full scale nuclear war with Russia, giving them the “Sunday punch” while the USA still had first strike capability. Add to that the white hot mafia hatred that Robert Kennedy was engendering with his prosecutions. This same mafia had been working hand in glove with their friends the CIA to take out Castro in Cuba. Think of these enemies of JFK as fasces: “a bundle of wooden sticks with an axe blade emerging from the center, which is an image that traditionally symbolizes summary power and jurisdiction, and/or strength through unity.”

    The elite domestic murderers of JFK did it for many reasons, both personal and ideological. At the core it was Lyndon Johnson, the CIA, and the shadow government of Texas oil barons and the Rockefellers. It was not either/or the Western “Cowboys” or the Eastern “Yankees” who murdered John Kennedy: it was the elites of both.

    Most folks don’t know just how close Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover were both personally and physically. For 19 years LBJ and Hoover lived literally 3 houses down and across the street, about 57 yards, in Washington, D.C. They often had Sunday brunch together at the Johnsons with other power brokers such as Sen. Richard Russell and House Speaker Sam Rayburn, both LBJ mentors. LBJ and Hoover were also extremely close to the Texas oil barons such as Clint Murchison, Sr. and H.L. Hunt who have been implicated in the JFK assassination.

    I always want to learn and I am always willing to change my mind. Two excellent books to read on the JFK assassination are 1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination (2010) by Phillip Nelson http://www.lbj-themastermind.com/ and 2) JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters (2008) by James Douglass. Review: http://www.ctka.net/... I also highly recommend 3) Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot 4) The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh 5) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty by Russ Baker.

    Richard Nixon knew the dirty truth about the JFK assassination, but I do not think he was directly involved. In fact, when Nixon was under intense Watergate pressure, his firewall strategy as recorded on the “smoking gun tape” (recorded 6/23/72) was to say ominously don’t investigate me because it you do “the President believes that this is going to open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing again” – an obvious reference to the JFK assassination. Nixon’s aide Dean Burch said that when George Herbert Walker Bush heard that “He broke out in assholes and shit himself to death.” (The Final Days, p. 369). GHW Bush was probably an elite CIA planner of the JFK assassination.

    It is very possible, if not probable, that the missing 18 minutes of the Watergate tape (recorded on 6/20/72) are of Nixon conversing with his chief of staff H. R. Haldeman and making explicit references to the CIA's role in the JFK assassination and the FBI's role in covering that crime up. It is almost certain that Haldeman destroyed the notes of that 18 minute time period that he took during that 79 minute meeting with Nixon. Obviously, the matter being discussed was explosive.

    Howard Baker once asked Nixon, “What do you know about the Kennedy assassination?” Nixon replied “You don’t want to know.” (Source: Don Hewett, Kennedy Library Oral History.)

    Roger Stone, a very close aide to Richard Nixon: "LBJ had it done. Mob, CIA, Hoover, all in on it. RFK knew. So did Nixon." Stone goes on to say, "RN [Richard Nixon] was oblique on this subject. He would just snort and say "You don't want to know" and once said Warren Comm Report was 'bullshit.'" (Source: Roger Stone, January, 2012)

        Richard Nixon resigned the presidency on August 9th, 1974. CFR member Gerald Ford, who was very close to both the FBI and the CIA, assumed the presidency. Ford was also a critical player for the JFK assassination cover-up, along with former CIA director Allen Dulles and John J. McCloy, the chairman of the CFR from 1953 to 1970. Revisionist history now points to a role of US intelligence in manipulating the Watergate scandal to force the resignation of Nixon. Why? Perhaps they did not like Nixon's China policy; perhaps they were afraid that he would spill the beans on the JFK assassination.

    Gerald Ford's choice for Vice President came down to Nelson Rockefeller and George Herbert Walker Bush, two men with very deep CIA connections. I think both Rockefeller and Bush were involved in the JFK assassination. On August 20, 1974 Ford nominated Nelson Rockefeller for the Vice Presidency. Covering up the JFK assassination has been job #1 for American political elites of both major parties. Henry Kissinger, because he is so deep CIA and so very close to Nelson Rockefeller, may also have been involved in the JFK assassination; at the very least Kissinger knows the truth.

    George Herbert Walker Bush, who came very close to being appointed Vice President by Ford in 1974, became the CIA director from 1/30/76 to 1/20/77. GHW Bush was brought in because the former CIA director William Colby was dangerously revealing too much of the Agency's dirty secrets. In 1977 Carter, not trusting Bush, forced his resignation as CIA director. Between 1977 and 1979, Bush became the director of the Council on Foreign Relations foreign policy organization. The CFR has often acted as a propaganda arm of U.S. intelligence.

    The CIA and the CFR have been joined at the hip for decades. One of the highest priorities of the inner core leadership of both the CIA and CFR has been to cover up the JFK assassination, most especially the critical role of the CIA in it. [Think Allen Dulles, Edward Lansdale, GHW Bush.]

    Former president Harry Truman wrote an op-ed entitled "Limit CIA Role to Intelligence" in the Washington Post on 12/22/63. If one reads between the lines, Truman is all but accusing the CIA of participation in the JFK assassination. Truman's article appeared in the morning edition of the WashPost and by the afternoon edition it had been removed, no doubt after having stepped on some CIA toes.

    Lyndon Johnson himself told Madeleine Duncan Brown on the night of 12/31/63 that it was Texas oil barons and “renegade intelligence bastards” who murdered John Kennedy. LBJ and Madeleine had a son Steven Mark in 1950. (Source: Madeleine Brown.)

    Author Gus Russo: In his oral history, Robert Kennedy bitterly recounted a remark that Johnson supposedly made to someone else after the assassination. "When I was young in Texas, I used to know a cross-eyed boy," Johnson said. "His eyes were crossed, and so was his character... That was God's retribution for people who were bad - and you should be careful of cross-eyed people because God put his mark on them ... Sometimes I think that what happened to Kennedy may have been divine retribution." JFK himself had slightly crossed eyes.

[Leo Janos, LBJ speechwriter, Church Committee interview by Rhett Dawson, Oct. 14, 1975 ... also Gus Russo, Live by the Sword, p. 377]

    The hatred between Lyndon Johnson and the Kennedys can not be underestimated; nor the fact that they were having a no-holds-barred sub rosa war for 3 and 1/2 years.

In December of 1967, New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison said, "President Johnson is currently the most active person in the country protecting the assassins of John Kennedy." (12/26/67) We now know that LBJ, the FBI and the CIA (the perps) were sabotaging Garrison's investigation. "Why? Because of power – because if people knew the facts about the assassination they would not tolerate the people in power today. Keep in mind who profits most. Who appointed the Warren Commission? Who runs the FBI? Who runs the CIA? The President of the United States.” - Jim Garrison (12/26/67)

    Jim Garrison also said, "President Johnson is currently the most active person in the country in protecting the assassins of John Kennedy."

    "President Johnson must have known by the time of the arrest that Oswald did not pull the trigger."

    Garrison's mistake was putting Clay Shaw on trial for the murder of John Kennedy, when he clearly did not have the evidence to convict the man. Garrison was spot on about there being a coup d'etat, though. Garrison's investigating was being massively subverted by the authorities and their dirty tricks, wiretaps and infiltrations of his investigation into the JFK assassination.

     Edgar Hoover who along with LBJ was the primary architect of the cover up, told Billy Byars, Jr.: "If I told you what I really know, it would be very dangerous to the country. Our whole political system could be disrupted." Hoover was responding to a question of whether Oswald really shot JFK. (Source: Billy Byars, Jr.)

    Allen Dulles who ran the cover up on the Warren Commision farce, said before he died, "That little Kennedy. He thought he was a god."

    Prescott Bush, the father of GHW Bush, later wrote Clover Dulles, the widow of Allen Dulles, in 1969, about his meeting with Allen Dulles after JFK had canned him in fall, 1961. "He [Allen] tried to make a pleasant evening of it, but I was rather sick of heard, and angry too, for it was the Kennedys that brought about the fiasco [Bay of Pigs]. And here they were making Allen to be the goat, which he wasn't and did not deserve. I have never forgiven them."

     Note the last sentence of Prescott Bush. His son George Herbert Walker Bush says he can't remember where he was on the day of the JFK assassination, despite his being a US Senate candidate staying in the Dallas, TX Sheraton the night of 11/21/63 and being in Dallas on 11/22/63. GHW Bush helped plan the Bay of Pigs invasion and I think he was involved in the JFK assassination.

David Atlee Phillips just before his death said, "My final take on the assassination is there was a conspiracy, likely including American intelligence officers." Phillips told that to that to Kevin Walsh, an HSCA investigator. My take on Phillips's statement: that is a limited hang out. Phillips' brother had long suspected him in the JFK assassination.

    Robert Kennedy in 1963 said, "If the American people knew the truth about Dallas, there would be blood in the streets." Bobby and Jackie Kennedy immediately suspected that a high level domestic conspiracy had murdered JFK, and within weeks they sent a trusted emissary, William Walton, to Moscow to tell that to the Russians in person. (Source, Brothers, Talbot, p.144)

    Don Thomas, a close LBJ friend, said "I'm the only living man who knows what happened in Box 13 ... But Clark took care of things in Dallas." Thomas is referring to the legendary lawyer and Texas power broker Ed Clark, who was extremely close to Lyndon Johnson and Clint Murchison who was one of his key clients.

    Barr McClellan reports that "I would be the attorney of record for Clark in his quest for a payoff for what he had done in the Kennedy assassination." [Blood, Money & Power, p. 232] Basically Texas oil executives were giving Ed Clark free in interest in oil deals as a reward for murdering JFK.

    John Currington, H.L. Hunt's chief operation officer said, "I have no doubt that Lyndon Johnson may have ordered John Kennedy's murder. He or his wife [Lady Bird]. She was more vicious than he. Even more brutal."

    (My opinion: Lady Bird Johnson may very well have known the details of the JFK assassination. LBJ's mistress Madeleine Brown certainly did.)

Jack Ruby, while in jail, told Al Maddox "In order to understand the [JFK] assassination, you have to read the book 'A Texan Looks at Lyndon.'"

    John Connally told Doug Thompson over dinner in 1982: "You know I was one of the ones who advised Kennedy to stay away from Texas. Lyndon [Johnson] was being a real asshole about the whole thing and insisted."

    Doug Thompson: "Connally's mood darkened as he talked about Dallas. When the bullet hit him, he said he felt like he had been kicked in the ribs and couldn't breathe. He spoke kindly of Jackie Kennedy and said he admired both her bravery and composure.

I had to ask. Did he think Lee Harvey Oswald fired the gun that killed Kennedy?

'Absolutely not,' Connally said. 'I do not, for one second, believe the conclusions of the Warren Commission.'

So why not speak out?

'Because I love this country and we needed closure at the time. I will never speak out publicly about what I believe.'"

    In May of 1968, Richard Lubic, an aide to Robert Kennedy, called William Turner and told him, "After he's elected, Bobby's going to go. He's going to reopen the investigation."

    On June 3, 1968, Robert Kennedy said "I now fully realize that only the powers of the presidency will reveal the secrets of my brother's death." RFK was assassinated 3 days later on June 6, 1968 after winning the California Democratic primary.

    William Sullivan, the #4 at the FBI, describes a high level FBI meeting in spring, 1968. "Hoover was not present, and Clyde Tolson [FBI #2 and Hoover's boyfriend] was presiding in his absence. I was one of eight men who heard Tolson respond to the mention of [RFK's] name by saying, 'I hope someone shoots and kills the son of a bitch.' This was five or six weeks before the California primary."

    Jackie Kennedy in her oral history: "Bobby told me this later, and I know Jack said it to me sometimes. He said, 'Oh, God, can you imagine what would happen to the country if Lyndon was president?'" ... "He didn't like the idea that Lyndon would go on and be president because he was worried for the country. Bobby told me that he'd had some discussions with him. I forget exactly how they were planning or who they had in mind. It wasn't Bobby, but somebody. Do something to name someone else in '68"

    "I remember Curtis LeMay sitting there with a big cigar in his hand," described Paul O'Conner, a laboratory technologist who helped with the autopsy of JFK.

    In 1980, Ronald Reagan did not want to pick George Herbert Walker Bush for VP; Reagan did not really like or respect Bush. Gerald Ford was also under VP consideration and he manipulated the selection process- stalling if you will, to ensure that Reagan would maneuvered into picking GHW Bush. Ford later explicitly said this. GHW Bush's 1980 campaign was filled to the brim with CIA operatives, many of whom had been fired by Carter's CIA director Stansfield Turner.

    Bottom line: Ford, who was deeply involved in the Warren Commission farce and the JFK assassination cover up, pick GHW Bush as his CIA director and then 4 years later maneuvered to have Bush placed in the Vice Presidency. For both Ford & GHW Bush, covering up the LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK has been paramount.

    Note: in 1980 GHW Bush received a lot of Rockefeller family political contributions and his campaign was richly stocked with CIA operatives.

    Without a doubt, top honors for being biggest source for disinformation on the Coup of 1963 has been the NY Times whose reporting on the JFK assassination has been the equivalent of 1950’s Soviet style propaganda, i.e. completely fraudulent and parroting the 1960’s fantastic whoppers of LBJ, FBI, CIA and the Warren Commission. CBS News, ABC News, the Washington Post and the former LIFE magazine and CIA assets in other major media have been equally bad. LIFE Magazine actually bought the rights to the Zapruder film early on and never showed it once to the American people in video form., which would have revealed the incriminating “back and to the left” head snap of John Kennedy, all but proving a kill shot from the Grassy Knoll (grassy knoll shooting area being an extremely close 33 yards away from JFK). Finally, when American hero Robert Groden showed the Zapruder film on Geraldo on ABC in 1975, millions of Americans knew without a doubt what a sham the Warren Commission was.

    Carl Bernstein states in his epic piece "The CIA and the Media": "By far the most valuable of these associations, have been with the New York Times, CBS, and TIME Inc." The #1 agenda item for decades for the CIA and its Council on Foreign Relations media assets has been covering up the JFK assassination.

    Frank Stanton, the president of CBS News and a CFR member, was a close personal friend of Lyndon Johnson. CBS over the years has run critically timed specials designed to help cover up the JFK assassination. Basically, they were broadcasting whatever propaganda Lyndon Johnson, the CIA and John J. McCloy told them to do.

    Lyndon Johnson was also close personal friends with Katherine Graham of the Washington Post. Phil Graham, a vocal and ardent LBJ supporter before his death, was one of the key architects of "Operation Mockingbird," the CIA's program of manipulating the media.

    After he murdered John Kennedy and assumed the presidency, Lyndon Johnson gave over his Administration to the Council on Foreign Relations, both in regards to domestic and foreign policy. NSC chief McGeorge Bundy in particular immediately assumed a lot of power over LBJ. The CFR, the CIA, the Rockefellers, the JCS, and the military contractors wanted the Vietnam War. It is extremely significant that in spring, 1968, after LBJ had withdrawn from the presidential race, Democrat Lyndon Johnson secretly supported Republican Nelson Rockefeller for president. LBJ wanted someone who could stop Robert Kennedy, and more importantly, who would continue the cover up of the 1963 Coup d’Etat. Nelson Rockefeller was deep CIA and he personified the CFR and Eastern Establishment and I think he was a sponsor of the JFK assassination. Note: Rockefeller did not support fellow Republican Barry Goldwater in his 1964 race against Johnson.

    A special word about the Council on Relations role in the 1963 Coup d’Etat and cover up: no other organization has been more responsible for the murder and cover up of John Kennedy than the CFR. The inner core of the CFR are high level US intelligence men who have used CFR members as a horse jockeys, whipping the media with their riding crops to tow the CIA line.

     Elite CFR members such as Allen Dulles (CIA), CIA Nelson Rockefeller (CIA, George Herbert Walker Bush (CIA) and CIA McGeorge Bundy (CIA) were probably sponsors of the JFK assassination. Certainly leadership CFR members such as Allen Dulles, John J. McCloy, and Gerald Ford played the most critical roles in the Warren Commission farce. Add in cover up roles played by McGeorge Bundy (CFR/CIA), Nelson Rockefeller (CFR/CIA), Henry Kissinger (CFR/CIA), Richard Helms (CFR/CIA), William Colby (CFR/CIA), Nicholas Katzenbach (CFR), Jack Valenti (CFR), Bill Moyers (CFR), Henry Luce (CFR), Clair Boothe Luce (CFR), C.D. Jackson (CFR) William Coleman (CFR), James Reston NY Times (CFR), Anthony Lewis NY Times (CFR), Harrison Salisbury NY Times (CFR) William F. Buckley (CFR/CIA), William Paley CBS (CFR), Frank Stanton CBS (CFR) Walter Cronkite CBS (CFR), Dan Rather CBS (CFR), Bob Schieffer CBS (CFR), Barry Bingham, Sr. (CFR), Peter Jennings ABC (CFR), Daniel Schorr (CFR), Arthur Ochs Sulzberger NY Times (CFR), Michael Eisner Disney (CFR), Harrison Salisbury NY Times (CFR), Kenneth Gilmore Readers’ Digest (CFR), Tom Braden (CFR/CIA), Stephen Rosenfeld Washington Post (CFR), Bobbie Ray Inman (CFR/CIA), Arnold de Borchgrave (CFR), Donald Rumsfeld (CFR), Rupert Murdoch FOX (CFR), John McCain (CFR), Robert Gates CIA (CFR), David Halberstam (CFR)… the list is almost endless. Note two things: 1) they are the key establishment players of BOTH major political parties spanning decades 2) their power and influence is directly proportional to the fantastic whoppers they tell about the 1963 Coup d’Etat. For the older CFR members it is a case of PARTICIPATION and COVER UP in the JFK assassination. For the younger ones such as Bill Clinton (CFR), Douglas G. Brinkley (CFR), George Will (CFR/ABC), Charles Krauthammer (CFR/FOX), Bill Kristol (CFR/FOX), David Gergen (CFR), John Segenthaler (CFR), Frank Sesno (CFR), Michael Beschloss (CFR), Stephen M. Walt (CFR), George Stephanopolous (CFR/ABC), Jonathan Alter (CFR), Evan Thomas (CFR), Brian Williams (CFR/NBC), Daniel Pipes (CFR), Michael Gerson (CFR), Jon Meacham (CFR), Walter Isaacson (CFR), Fareed Zakaria (CFR) it is a case of WILLFUL IGNORANCE as they still push the Big Lie. Note: Chris Matthews of NBC's Hardball, another willfully ignorant man, is close friends with Richard Haass, the current president of CFR. I have never seen highly acclaimed political guru Michael Barone, a Bilderberger attendee, ever say anything credible on the JFK assassination. Nor have I ever heard NBC political analyst Chuck Todd, a man who eats, sleeps and breathes politics and political history, ever say anything credible about the ugly reality of the 1963 Coup d'Etat. It is self imposed ignorance resulting from elite peer pressure that makes it socially and politically impossible to tell the truth about murdered John Kennedy and why they did it.

    Question: do we really expect the CFR to admit that some of its CIA inner circle members slaughtered John Kennedy and many more played integral roles in the cover up? No, but it is important to highlight that the Council on Foreign Relations has stunk up the place with tremendous amounts of radioactive horse manure relating to the 1963 Coup d’Etat.
    On June 30, 2009, President Obama had a private dinner with 9 top presidential historians: Michael Beschloss (CFR), H. W. Brands, Douglas Brinkley (CFR), Robert Caro, Robert Dallek, Doris Kearns Goodwin, David Kennedy, Kenneth Mack, and Garry Wills. I have never heard any of these reputable scholars say anything credible about the JFK assassination. You will learn more about the relationship of Doris Kearns (later Goodwin) with Lyndon Johnson later. Robert Dallek and Robert Caro are especially obtuse on the subject of the JFK Assassination.

    Larry Sabato (Rhodes Scholar), yet another highly acclaimed political professional and the director of the UVA Center for Politics, has also been known to sell counterfeit money on the JFK assassination (see "JFK's Golden Anniversary," 2/18/10) It is really about a social and peer pressure to remain ignorant and not know - much less actually express - the ugly truth.

    The 1963 Coup d’Etat was very similar to the 1992 election between George Herbert Walker Bush, Ross Perot and Bill Clinton. In 1963, there was a Texas Vice President, a desperate and dangerous Lyndon Johnson - supported by the CFR, the intelligence agencies, military contractors and the oil industry - who feared exposure of his criminality and was on the verge of political and personal annihilation. So Lyndon Johnson used the CIA to murder his political rival John Kennedy.

    In the 1992, there was a Texas President, a desperate and dangerous George Herbert Walker Bush, supported by the CFR, the intelligence agencies, military contractors and the oil industry - who feared exposure of his criminality and was on the verge of political and personal annihilation. Ross Perot was well aware of the gargantuan Bush/Clinton/CIA drug smuggling of the 1980’s. So George Herbert Walker Bush used elite CIA “Pegasus” assassins to threaten to murder Ross Perot. GHW Bush feared what Perot, a self-funded (and therefore uncontrollable) billionaire might do in office. Bush, like LBJ 29 years before, faced both political and potentially personal annihilation if an untainted Ross Perot were elected.

I think this off-the-record Perot quote illustrates Ross Perot's animosity with GHW Bush: "When you look into the prisoner cover-up, you find government officials in the drug trade who can't break themselves of the habit." [NYT, "Ross Perot will Not Like This Book," 8/7/96]

     Ross Perot was leading in a Time/CNN poll in June, 1992, with 37% to 24% Clinton, 24% Bush. On July 16, 1992, Ross Perot, a billionaire who could self-fund and was leading in the polls significantly, QUIT the presidential race because he feared that a desperate George Herbert Walker Bush might literally assassinate him. Google “Chip Tatum Pegasus” and read about the elite CIA assassin who quit rather than follow the orders of George Herbert Walker Bush and neutralize Ross Perot:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/... An incensed Perot later got back in the race only to ensure the election of Bill Clinton.

        I think that George Herbert Walker Bush (CIA/CFR) became a made man with the JFK assassination in 1963. One of the first things the Bill Clinton (CIA/CFR) did after he got elected in 1992 was to ask Webb Hubbell at Justice to find out who really killed John Kennedy. Bill Clinton is a coward; he is good friends with GHW Bush and Clinton today says he thinks a lone nut killed Kennedy - something he surely does not believe.

    Webb Hubbell: "Of my many regrets at that moment, I remember thinking that I hadn't accomplished something the President had asked me to do when I [he means Clinton] was first elected. "Webb," he had said, "if I put you at Justice, I want you to find two answers for me. One, Who killed JFK? And two, Are there UFO's?" He was dead serious. I had looked into both, but wasn't satisfied with the answers I was getting."
[Webb Hubbell, "Friends in High Places," p. 282]

    (Webb Hubbell is the biological father of Chelsea Clinton, not Bill Clinton. I have studied the Clintons intensively for years and, short of a DNA test, I am certain Webb Hubbell is the biological father of Chelsea. Their are many things about our leaders that many folks do not know. The Clintons place Hubbell in the #3 spot at Justice because it did not require a Senate confirmation where embarrassing facts and relationships might be revealed.)

    Google Jack Wheeler's article "How the Clinton's Will Destroy John McCain" and you will find out that the CIA's Cord Meyer told Wheeler that Clinton was recruited into the CIA when he was at Oxford in 1968 and to inform on his anti-war buddies. Author Roger Morris also discovered this. The CIA also paid for Bill Clinton's trips to Eastern Europe. Clinton, because he is CIA and because he is compromised with his participation in the 1980's CIA/Bush/Clinton drug smuggling will not speak openly and truthfully about his real views on the JFK assassination. I think Bill Clinton's good friend CIA GHW Bush was a participant in the JFK assassination.

    GOP ultra insider Jack Wheeler on Bill Clinton: "Someone who has been a CIA asset since he was recruited by London station chief Cord Meyer while a student at Oxford in 1968?

(Back in the 90s years after he retired, if Cord drank a little too much Scotch, he would laugh derisively at those conspiratorialists who accused Bill Clinton of being connected with the KGB.

"They all darkly point to Bill's participation in anti-war peace conferences in Stockholm and Oslo, and his trip to Leningrad, Moscow, and Prague while he was at Oxford. ‘Who could have paid for this?', they ask. ‘It had to be the KGB!' they claim." Cord would shake his head. "What rot - we paid for it. We recruited Bill the first week he was at Oxford. Bill's been an asset of The Three Bad Words ever since." (Cord passed on in 2001.)"

    Cord Meyer ran Operation Mockingbird for the CIA and absolutely his top job in media manipulation was to cover up the JFK assassination. After his former wife Mary Meyer, a JFK mistress was killed in 1964, Cord Meyer later speculated that the same people who killed JFK were the same ones who killed Mary. (My take: I doubt it, but the significance is Cord Meyer is admitting the JFK assassination was a conspiracy.) It is possible that Cord Meyer himself was involved in the JFK assassination; certainly Meyer was involved in the cover up.

    George Herbert Walker Bush, very similar to Lyndon Johnson, is one of the dirtiest players in modern American politics. GHW Bush is also a notorious homosexual pedophile. Bush was involved in the Franklin pedophile ring that was being run by his good friend Lawrence E. King of Omaha. King was U.S. intelligence connected. A young man named Brandt Thomas, age 18 in 1984, was one of the teenage gay prostitutes provided to Bush by Lawrence E. King. Ray Hill, age 70 in 2011 and a long time Houston area gay activist, remembers stories of GHW Bush molesting a Hispanic boy at the Carousel Motel in Houston in the late 1960's when GHW Bush was a congressman. I asked Hill how hold was this boy (age 17-18? age 15-16?) and Hill said the boy was "young enough to be called a kid!" Bush was also a participant in the 1980 negotiations by the Reagan campaign to bribe the Iranians to not release the American hostages until after the presidential election. Then GHW Bush supervised Oliver North in a gargantuan CIA drug smuggling ring in the 1980's as a way of "off the books" funding the Nicaraguan contras. Bush's rampant drug smuggling is well documented; his homosexual pedophilia is lesser known. Read the books the Franklin Cover Up and the Franklin Scandal for more information about GHW Bush and his homosexual pedophilia.

    George Herbert Walker Bush is a CIA man with permanent liability. GHW Bush continued receiving intelligence briefings long after he left office. Bush has to stay on top of his liability. It never goes away; there is no statute of limitations for murder. The best recaps of GHW Bush's possible role in the JFK assassination are in Family of Secrets by Russ Baker and the essay "Did the Bushes help to kill JFK" by Wim Dankbaar over at JFKMurdersolved.

    An interesting note: George W. Bush, the son of GHW Bush, appointed Ray Lee Hunt (the son of oil baron H.L. Hunt - a key supporter of Lyndon Johnson) to the plum position of a member of the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board in 2001. In my opinion, the fathers of GWB and Ray Lee Hunt were both key players in the JFK assassination. CIA George Herbert Walker Bush was also friends with Lyndon Johnson.

    The Discovery Channel has put out some incredibly bogus, poorly done disinfo presentations such as Inside the Target Car. Any MSM site that features Vincent Bugliosi, Gerald Posner, especially Hugh Aynesworth, Edward Jay Epstein, Gus Russo, Michael Shermer, Dale Meyers, Max Holland, Arlen Specter, Dave Perry or Gary Mack prominently and positively is giving you counterfeit money. Edward Epstein and Gerald Posner in particular are thought by many credible JFK researchers to be CIA propagandists. Hugh Aynesworth applied to be in the CIA and he later acted as an informant to the Johnson White House (while an active journalist!) If you google “JFK assassination” the first 2 links that come up are lone nutter controlled disinfo sites: 1) Wikipedia 2) John McAdam’s site. John McAdams is a very lowly regarded man who basically controls JFK related content on Wikipedia as well as his own site. Both Wikipedia and the NY Times are both tremendously dishonest sources for information relating to the 1963 Coup d’Etat. Finally, another major source of disinformation on the Coup of 1963 is the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, which blithely recycles the shredded vapors of the Warren Commission, as if it had an ounce of truth in it. Gary Mack, the curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, simply does not have credibility on the JFK assassination.

    A special note on Wikipedia: any entry related to the JFK assassination or US intelligence agent Lee Harvey Oswald is locked down to prevent editing by the public. Wiki founder Jimmy Wales has a fondness for governmental fairy tales and JFK experts are prevented from editing entries on the site.

    In the near future there are going to be efforts by both Tom Hanks (HBO series) and Leonardo DiCaprio (a movie Legacy of Secrecy) to take on the JFK assassination. Sadly, these are both going to be disinformation efforts; the ONLY legitimate take on the JFK assassination is that it was a full blown domestic coup d’etat. Tom Hanks is a clueless lone nutter.

    Legacy of Secrecy, produced by Warner Brothers, is a deeply flawed attempt to blame the JFK assassination on “the mob only,” leaving out Lyndon Johnson, the National Security State and the shadow government of Texas oil barons and Rockefellers. Courtenay Lynda Valenti, an executive vice president of production at Warner Brothers,
is the biological daughter (born in 1963) of Lyndon Johnson and Mary Margaret Valenti. Mary Margaret Valenti, a Texas beauty, had been a secretary/mistress of Lyndon Johnson and it is believed that obsequious LBJ aide Jack Valenti was letting his “wife” sleep with Lyndon Johnson. Back in the 1960’s Courtenay Lynda Valenti was known as the “baby in Lyndon Johnson’s White House” and was often referred to by LBJ as “Lynda” and “his little heartbeat.” As an adult, Courtenay Lynda Valenti is now producing some major disinformation on the 1963 Coup d’Etat: Legacy of Secrecy. Her brother John “Lyndon” Valenti (namesake only of LBJ) also works at Warner Brothers. Jack Valenti, her “dad,” issued a 7-page statement in 1992 denouncing Oliver Stone’s JFK as “a propaganda masterpiece and equally a hoax.”

    Mary Margaret Valenti is a critical witness because she was such an important mistress of Lyndon Johnson. She was in his inner circle in Los Angeles at the 1960 Democratic convention when LBJ and Sam Rayburn blackmailed/strong armed JFK into putting Johnson on the ticket as VP. Her daughter Courtenay Lynda Valenti - probably LBJ's - was about 3 weeks old at the time.

    Similar to Jack Valenti, another sycophant of Lyndon Johnson is biographer Doris Kearns Goodwin who met Johnson in 1967 at age 23 (LBJ, age 58). Sally Quinn, in a revealing article in the Wash Post (8/24/75), entitled “A Tale of Hearts and Minds,” wrote that Doris said LBJ “pressed me very hard sexually the first year,” that he courted her for sex aggressively, then he asked her to marry him, that he was jealous of other men in her life.” Doris, after spending much face time with LBJ, ghost wrote LBJ’s presidential autobiography Vantage Point and later a biography on him which, no surprise, did not include any references to Johnson’s pivotal role in the JFK assassination. Doris has all but admitted that she was having sex with Johnson.

    Robin Unger has an excellent web page with an extensive collection of photos of the JFK assassination: http://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/

    Craig Ciccone has created a fabulous schematic of Dealey Plaza as well as a list of all the direct witnesses to the JFK assassination: http://www.jfklancer.com/... .

    As for videos, I highly recommend going to You Tube and watching the extremely important The Men Who Killed Kennedy - (episodes 7, 8, and 9). Much of these episodes focus on the role of Lyndon Johnson in the 1963 Coup d’Etat and they were BANNED from the History Channel because they were so accurate. LBJ aide Jack Valenti (CFR) organized a suppression campaign on the videos along with Lady Bird Johnson, Warren Commission con man Gerald Ford (CFR), Jimmy Carter (CFR) and Bill Moyers (CFR). Also, on You Tube watch the spectacular “Evidence of Revision” and Jesse Ventura’s 2010 Conspiracy Theory show on the JFK assassination (You Tube http://www.youtube.com/... ). In addition, I recommend JFK the movie by Oliver Stone, director’s cut. Oliver Stone, despite immense criticism in the MSM by CIA assets, pretty much nailed the JFK assassination. It was a full blown Coup d’Etat by Lyndon Johnson, the CIA and key elements of the U.S. military.

Robert Morrow is a political researcher with over 200+ books on the 1963 Coup d’Etat, aka JFK assassination. His email is Morrow321@aol.com and he accepts phone calls at 512-306-1510.

1) http://www.lewrockwell.com/...
2) http://www.infowars.com/...

[Robert Morrow – researcher into the 1963 Coup d’Etat. I have 300+ books related to the JFK assassination. Google my essay “LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK”]

If you want to get quickly “up to speed” on the JFK assassination, here is what to read:
1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination by Phillip Nelson
2) JFK and the Unspeakable:Why He Died and Why it Matters by James Douglass
3) Brothers: the Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot
4) The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh
5) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty by Russ Baker
6) Power Beyond Reason: The Mental Collapse of Lyndon Johnson by Jablow Hershman
7) Google the essay “LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK” by Robert Morrow
8) Google “National Security State and the Assassination of JFK by Andrew Gavin Marshall.”
9) Google “Chip Tatum Pegasus.” Intimidation of Ross Perot 1992
10) Google “Vincent Salandria False Mystery Speech.” Read everything Vincent Salandria ever wrote.
11) Google "Unanswered Questions as Obama Annoints HW Bush" by Russ Baker
12) Google "Did the Bushes Help to Kill JFK" by Wim Dankbaar
13) Google "The Holy Grail of the JFK story" by Jefferson Morley
14) Google "The CIA and the Media" by Carl Bernstein
15) Google "CIA Instruction to Media Assets 4/1/67"
16) Google "Limit CIA Role to Intelligence" Harry Truman on 12/22/63
17) Google "Dwight Eisenhower Farewell Address" on 1/17/61
18) Google "Jerry Policoff NY Times." Read everything Jerry Policoff ever wrote about the CIA media cover up of the JFK assassination.
19) Google "CBS News and the Lone Assassin Story" by Roger Feinman"
20) Google "Reasoning about Assassinations" by James Fetzer
21) Google “Murray Rothbard the JFK Flap”
22) Google “Preserving the Legacy by Mat Wilson”
23) Google “Bertrand Russell 16 Questions on the Assassination”
24) Google "The Day Democracy Died in America by Tom Cahill"
25) Google "See the LBJ Robot by Mack White"
26) Google "Spooks make life miserable for Ambassador Lodge" by Richard Starnes 10/2/63
27) Google "The Intra-Administration War in Vietnam" by Arthur Krock 10/3/63   
28) Google “Lee Harvey Oswald’s reading habits summer 1963” by Judyth Vary Baker
29) Watch on You Tube the extremely important videos The Men Who Killed Kennedy, episodes 7, 8, and 9 which focus on the role of Lyndon Johnson.
30) Watch on You Tube Jesse Ventura’s show on the JFK assassination.
31) Watch the movie JFK- the director’s cut by Oliver Stone.
32) Watch on You Tube “Evidence of Revision.” – 8 hours of fantastic and rare footage
33) Google "Why JFK Went to Texas by Joe Backes"

Another key point: Lee Harvey Oswald was U.S. intelligence and he shot NO ONE on 11/2263. Re: Oswald's intelligence connections read:

1) "Oswald and the CIA" book by John Newman
2) "Spy Saga: Lee Harvey Oswald and US Intelligence" book by Philip Melanson
3) "History Will Not Absolve Us" by Martin Schotz (Chapter 5 "Oswald and U.S. Intelligence" by Christopher Sharrett)
4) "Me and Lee" book by Judyth Vary Baker (Oswald's mistress in New Orleans, summer 1963)
5) "A Certain Arrogance: U.S. Intelligence's Manipulation of Religious Groups and Individuals in Two World Wars and the Cold War - and the Sacrificing of Lee Harvey Oswald" book by George Michael Evica
6) "Accessories After the Fact" by Sylvia Meagher, Chapter 19 "Oswald and the State Department'"
7) "Coup D'Etat in America: The CIA and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy" by Alan Weberman & Michael Canfield, Chapter 3 "Was Oswald a CIA Agent?"
8) "Oswald in New Orleans: Case for Conspiracy with the CIA" by Harold Weisberg
9) Google “Lee Harvey Oswald’s reading habits summer 1963” by Judyth Vary Baker

Other things to read relating to the JFK assassination:

1) Google "Operation Northwoods"
2) Google "Trenton Parker Pegasus"
3) Google "George Bush: World Class Monster"
4) Google "www.prouty.org/letter.html"
5) Google "Bo Gritz letter to George Bush 1988"
6) Google "Santos Trafficante - It Should Have Been Bobby"
7) Google "President's Who Cheat: It's Nothing New about Madeleine Brown"
8) Google "Saint John Hunt Bond of Secrecy"
9) Google "The Men on the Sixth Floor Loy Factor"
10) Google " Some Relevant Facts About the JFK Asssassination by Phil Brennan 2003"
11) Google "The Estes Documents - Billie Sol Estes"
12) Google "LBJ killed JFK by Dan Eden"
13) Google "Jack Ruby about the conspiracy to kill JFK"
14) Google "The Reuther Memorandum"
15) Google "The Senator Who Suspected a JFK Conspiracy Ralph Yarborough"
16) Google "Dr. Charles Crenshaw"
17) Google "LIFE Magazine, LBJ and the Assassination of JFK"
18) Google "James Wagenvoord"
19) Google" Judyth Vary Baker Education Forum"
20) Google "Are Presidents Afraid of the CIA? by Ray McGovern"
21) Google "JFK: How the Media Assassinated the Real Story by Robert Hennelly and Jerry Policoff"
22) Google " Chapter 9, Control of the Media, The Taking of America 1-2-3"
22) Google "President Lyndon Johnson: The War Within by Richard Goodwin"
23) Google "Fidel Castro's speech on 11/22/63 about the JFK assassination"
24) Google "33 Conspiracy Theories That Turn Out to Be True by Jonathan Elinoff"
25) Google "The Day It Became the Longest War by Lt. Gen. Charles Cooper"
26) Google "Ed Tatro corrects columnist Marianne Means on the JFK assassination"
27) Google "Dr. Louis Joyon "Jolly" West " Mind Control Programmer
28) Google "Krulak Letter Re: Dealey Plaza Photos And Lansdale Identity"
29) Google "Is Courtenay Lynda Valenti the biological daughter of Lyndon Johnson?"
30) Google" "When was the last time any member of the CFR said anything close to the truth on the JFK assassination?"
31) Google "Garrison's Case Finally Coming Together by Martin Shackleford"
32) Google " "JFK: Better red than dead" by Jefferson Morley
33) Google "A New Oswald Witness Goes Public by William Kelly"
34) Google "Adele Edison Education Forum"
35) Google "JFK Assassination: Defending the Gangster State" by Michael Parenti
36) Google "A Philadelphia Lawyer Analyzes the President's Back and Neck Wounds" by Vincent J. Salandria
37) Google " JFK, Vietnam, and Oliver Stone" by Gary Aguilar
38) Google "A Rothbardian Power Elite Analysis of Modern American History by James A. Dunlap III"
39) Google "Oswald, the CIA, and Mexico City - the Lopez Report"
40) Google "Co-Existing by Saul Heller Feb 1964"
41) Google "The Waters of Knowledge vs. The Waters of Uncertainty: Mass Denial in the Assassination of President Kennedy by Martin Schotz"
42) Google "Transcript of 1968 Council on Foreign Relations Secret Meeting on the Theory of CIA Covert Action"
43) Google "Gene Tatum's warning-letter to Ross Perot"
44) Google "George Bush and the CIA behind the assassination of prime minister Olof Palme"
45) Google "The case for three assassins by David Lifton and David Welsh"
46) Google " Joseph McBride article: George Bush CIA operative"
47) Google "We Know the Truth by Gaeton Fonzi"
48) Google "Review: David Talbot's Brothers by James DiEugenio"
49) Go to Mary Ferrell website. JFK Essays section has 100 quality essays on JFK assassination.
50) Google "The Tipping Point by William Kelly"
51) Google "The Warren Commission, The Truth, and Arlen Specter by Gaeton Fonzi 1966"

    Madeleine Duncan Brown was a mistress of Lyndon Johnson for 21 years and had a son with him named Steven Mark Brown in 1950. Madeleine mixed with the Texas elite and had many trysts with Lyndon Johnson over the years, including one at the Driskill Hotel in Austin, TX, on New Year's Eve 12/31/63.
In the late evening of 12/31/63, just 6 weeks after the JFK assassination, Madeleine asked Lyndon Johnson:
"Lyndon, you know that a lot of people believe you had something to do with President Kennedy's assassination."
He shot up out of bed and began pacing and waving his arms screaming like a madman. I was scared!
"That's bull__, Madeleine Brown!" he yelled. "Don't tell me you believe that crap!"
"Of course not." I answered meekly, trying to cool his temper.
"It was Texas oil and those _
_ renegade intelligence bastards in Washington." [said Lyndon Johnson] [Texas in the Morning, p. 189] [LBJ told this to Madeleine in the late night of 12/31/63 in the Driskill Hotel, Austin, TX in room #254. They spent New Year’s Eve together here six weeks post JFK assassination. Room #254 was the room that LBJ used to have rendevous’ with his girlfriends – today it is known as the "Blue Room" or the "Presidential room" and rents for $600-1,000/night as a Presidential suite at the Driskill; located on the Mezzanine Level.]

From Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition 1998 p. 638-639]:

“The Role of deep-cover CIA officer, Trenton Parker, has been described in earlier pages, and his function in the CIA's counter-intelligence unit, Pegasus. Parker had stated to me earlier that a CIA faction was responsible for the murder of JFK … During an August 21, 1993, conversation, in response to my questions, Parker said that his Pegasus group had tape recordings of plans to assassinate Kennedy. I asked him, "What group were these tapes identifying?" Parker replied: "Rockefeller, Allen Dulles, Johnson of Texas, George Bush, and J. Edgar Hoover." I asked, "What was the nature of the conversation on these tapes?"

I don't have the tapes now, because all the tape recordings were turned over to [Congressman] Larry McDonald. But I listened to the tape recordings and there were conversations between Rockefeller, [J. Edgar] Hoover, where [Nelson] Rockefeller asks, "Are we going to have any problems?" And he said, "No, we aren't going to have any problems. I checked with Dulles. If they do their job we'll do our job." There are a whole bunch of tapes, because Hoover didn't realize that his phone has been tapped. Defrauding America, Rodney Stich, 3rd edition p. 638-639]

Originally posted to RobertMorrowAustin on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:50 PM PDT.

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           What is this, 1995?  

           You tell us to Google stuff like, 51 times, so you've HEARD of Google...ever hear of GMail?  You don't even need an invitation to sign up anymore, and it's like, FREE, even if you're still using AOL for your dial-up connection....

           Come back when you've decided to enter the 21st Century.

           I can't wait to hear your theories on how Neil Armstrong's death was the result of a plot to cover-up the fake Moon Landing.   (I heard that according to Chuck Norris, the real reason Gingrich didn't get the Republican nomination is that if he had gotten the chance to go ahead with his Moon Colony idea, America would have learned the TRUTH..Remember: If you can Google it, it must be true!)

      •  You'd Be Surprised How Many People Still Use AOL (0+ / 0-)

        For their mail. I don't get it either.

        I miss Speaker Pelosi :^(

        by howarddream on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 12:17:02 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Great for Spam e-mail (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          howarddream

          Like when I sign up to RW sites to comment, and get put on 564 email lists.
          Plus, RWers are strangely comforted when seeing an AOL email and figure I'm some fuddy old spinster that still uses dial up.

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 03:14:55 PM PDT

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  •  If you were Nostradams, or Edscan.... (12+ / 0-)

    you'd just write a quatrain.  Takes up less bandwidth.

  •  B'Bye (7+ / 0-)

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:56:08 PM PDT

  •  Thank you, Oliver Stone. (6+ / 0-)

    (No conspiracy theory here, plz)

  •  I just wanted to see if I got here before he was (8+ / 0-)

    gone.

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:58:27 PM PDT

  •  Stahp (9+ / 0-)

    The first battle continues through this book. The scene is the same as in the former.

    But Pallas now Tydides' soul inspires,143
    Fills with her force, and warms with all her fires,
    Above the Greeks his deathless fame to raise,
    And crown her hero with distinguish'd praise.
    High on his helm celestial lightnings play,
    His beamy shield emits a living ray;
    The unwearied blaze incessant streams supplies,
    Like the red star that fires the autumnal skies,
    When fresh he rears his radiant orb to sight,
    And, bathed in ocean, shoots a keener light.
    Such glories Pallas on the chief bestow'd,
    Such, from his arms, the fierce effulgence flow'd:
    Onward she drives him, furious to engage,
    Where the fight burns, and where the thickest rage.
    The sons of Dares first the combat sought,
    A wealthy priest, but rich without a fault;
    [pg 084]
    In Vulcan's fane the father's days were led,
    The sons to toils of glorious battle bred;
    These singled from their troops the fight maintain,
    These, from their steeds, Tydides on the plain.
    Fierce for renown the brother-chiefs draw near,
    And first bold Phegeus cast his sounding spear,
    Which o'er the warrior's shoulder took its course,
    And spent in empty air its erring force.
    Not so, Tydides, flew thy lance in vain,
    But pierced his breast, and stretch'd him on the plain.
    Seized with unusual fear, Idaeus fled,
    Left the rich chariot, and his brother dead.
    And had not Vulcan lent celestial aid,
    He too had sunk to death's eternal shade;
    But in a smoky cloud the god of fire
    Preserved the son, in pity to the sire.
    The steeds and chariot, to the navy led,
    Increased the spoils of gallant Diomed.
    Struck with amaze and shame, the Trojan crew,
    Or slain, or fled, the sons of Dares view;
    When by the blood-stain'd hand Minerva press'd
    The god of battles, and this speech address'd:
    "Stern power of war! by whom the mighty fall,
    Who bathe in blood, and shake the lofty wall!
    Let the brave chiefs their glorious toils divide;
    And whose the conquest, mighty Jove decide:
    While we from interdicted fields retire,
    Nor tempt the wrath of heaven's avenging sire."
    Her words allay the impetuous warrior's heat,
    The god of arms and martial maid retreat;
    Removed from fight, on Xanthus' flowery bounds
    They sat, and listen'd to the dying sounds.
    Meantime, the Greeks the Trojan race pursue,
    And some bold chieftain every leader slew:
    First Odius falls, and bites the bloody sand,
    His death ennobled by Atrides' hand:
    As he to flight his wheeling car address'd,
    The speedy javelin drove from back to breast.
    In dust the mighty Halizonian lay,
    His arms resound, the spirit wings its way.
    Thy fate was next, O Phaestus! doom'd to feel
    The great Idomeneus' protended steel;
    Whom Borus sent (his son and only joy)
    From fruitful Tarne to the fields of Troy.
    The Cretan javelin reach'd him from afar,
    And pierced his shoulder as he mounts his car;
    Back from the car he tumbles to the ground,
    And everlasting shades his eyes surround.
    Then died Scamandrius, expert in the chase,
    In woods and wilds to wound the savage race;
    [pg 085]
    Diana taught him all her sylvan arts,
    To bend the bow, and aim unerring darts:
    But vainly here Diana's arts he tries,
    The fatal lance arrests him as he flies;
    From Menelaus' arm the weapon sent,
    Through his broad back and heaving bosom went:
    Down sinks the warrior with a thundering sound,
    His brazen armour rings against the ground.
    Next artful Phereclus untimely fell;
    Bold Merion sent him to the realms of hell.
    Thy father's skill, O Phereclus! was thine,
    The graceful fabric and the fair design;
    For loved by Pallas, Pallas did impart
    To him the shipwright's and the builder's art.
    Beneath his hand the fleet of Paris rose,
    The fatal cause of all his country's woes;
    But he, the mystic will of heaven unknown,
    Nor saw his country's peril, nor his own.
    The hapless artist, while confused he fled,
    The spear of Merion mingled with the dead.
    Through his right hip, with forceful fury cast,
    Between the bladder and the bone it pass'd;
    Prone on his knees he falls with fruitless cries,
    And death in lasting slumber seals his eyes.
    From Meges' force the swift Pedaeus fled,
    Antenor's offspring from a foreign bed,
    Whose generous spouse, Theanor, heavenly fair,
    Nursed the young stranger with a mother's care.
    How vain those cares! when Meges in the rear
    Full in his nape infix'd the fatal spear;
    Swift through his crackling jaws the weapon glides,
    And the cold tongue and grinning teeth divides.
    Then died Hypsenor, generous and divine,
    Sprung from the brave Dolopion's mighty line,
    Who near adored Scamander made abode,
    Priest of the stream, and honoured as a god.
    On him, amidst the flying numbers found,
    Eurypylus inflicts a deadly wound;
    On his broad shoulders fell the forceful brand,
    Thence glancing downwards, lopp'd his holy hand,
    Which stain'd with sacred blood the blushing sand.
    Down sunk the priest: the purple hand of death
    Closed his dim eye, and fate suppress'd his breath.
    Thus toil'd the chiefs, in different parts engaged.
    In every quarter fierce Tydides raged;
    Amid the Greek, amid the Trojan train,
    Rapt through the ranks he thunders o'er the plain;
    Now here, now there, he darts from place to place,
    Pours on the rear, or lightens in their face.
    Thus from high hills the torrents swift and strong
    [pg 086]
    Deluge whole fields, and sweep the trees along,
    Through ruin'd moles the rushing wave resounds,
    O'erwhelm's the bridge, and bursts the lofty bounds;
    The yellow harvests of the ripen'd year,
    And flatted vineyards, one sad waste appear!144
    While Jove descends in sluicy sheets of rain,
    And all the labours of mankind are vain.
    So raged Tydides, boundless in his ire,
    Drove armies back, and made all Troy retire.
    With grief the leader of the Lycian band
    Saw the wide waste of his destructive hand:
    His bended bow against the chief he drew;
    Swift to the mark the thirsty arrow flew,
    Whose forky point the hollow breastplate tore,
    Deep in his shoulder pierced, and drank the gore:
    The rushing stream his brazen armour dyed,
    While the proud archer thus exulting cried:
    "Hither, ye Trojans, hither drive your steeds!
    Lo! by our hand the bravest Grecian bleeds,
    Not long the deathful dart he can sustain;
    Or Phoebus urged me to these fields in vain."
    So spoke he, boastful: but the winged dart
    Stopp'd short of life, and mock'd the shooter's art.
    The wounded chief, behind his car retired,
    The helping hand of Sthenelus required;
    Swift from his seat he leap'd upon the ground,
    And tugg'd the weapon from the gushing wound;
    When thus the king his guardian power address'd,
    The purple current wandering o'er his vest:
    "O progeny of Jove! unconquer'd maid!
    If e'er my godlike sire deserved thy aid,
    If e'er I felt thee in the fighting field;
    Now, goddess, now, thy sacred succour yield.
    O give my lance to reach the Trojan knight,
    Whose arrow wounds the chief thou guard'st in fight;
    And lay the boaster grovelling on the shore,
    That vaunts these eyes shall view the light no more."
    Thus pray'd Tydides, and Minerva heard,
    His nerves confirm'd, his languid spirits cheer'd;
    He feels each limb with wonted vigour light;
    His beating bosom claim'd the promised fight.
    "Be bold, (she cried), in every combat shine,
    War be thy province, thy protection mine;
    Rush to the fight, and every foe control;
    Wake each paternal virtue in thy soul:
    [pg 087]
    Strength swells thy boiling breast, infused by me,
    And all thy godlike father breathes in thee;
    Yet more, from mortal mists I purge thy eyes,145
    And set to view the warring deities.
    These see thou shun, through all the embattled plain;
    Nor rashly strive where human force is vain.
    If Venus mingle in the martial band,
    Her shalt thou wound: so Pallas gives command."
    With that, the blue-eyed virgin wing'd her flight;
    The hero rush'd impetuous to the fight;
    With tenfold ardour now invades the plain,
    Wild with delay, and more enraged by pain.
    As on the fleecy flocks when hunger calls,
    Amidst the field a brindled lion falls;
    If chance some shepherd with a distant dart
    The savage wound, he rouses at the smart,
    He foams, he roars; the shepherd dares not stay,
    But trembling leaves the scattering flocks a prey;
    Heaps fall on heaps; he bathes with blood the ground,
    Then leaps victorious o'er the lofty mound.
    Not with less fury stern Tydides flew;
    And two brave leaders at an instant slew;
    Astynous breathless fell, and by his side,
    His people's pastor, good Hypenor, died;
    Astynous' breast the deadly lance receives,
    Hypenor's shoulder his broad falchion cleaves.
    Those slain he left, and sprung with noble rage
    Abas and Polyidus to engage;
    Sons of Eurydamus, who, wise and old,
    Could fate foresee, and mystic dreams unfold;
    The youths return'd not from the doubtful plain,
    And the sad father tried his arts in vain;
    No mystic dream could make their fates appear,
    Though now determined by Tydides' spear.
    Young Xanthus next, and Thoon felt his rage;
    The joy and hope of Phaenops' feeble age:
    Vast was his wealth, and these the only heirs
    Of all his labours and a life of cares.
    Cold death o'ertakes them in their blooming years,
    And leaves the father unavailing tears:
    To strangers now descends his heapy store,
    The race forgotten, and the name no more.
    Two sons of Priam in one chariot ride,
    Glittering in arms, and combat side by side.
    As when the lordly lion seeks his food
    Where grazing heifers range the lonely wood,
    [pg 088]
    He leaps amidst them with a furious bound,
    Bends their strong necks, and tears them to the ground:
    So from their seats the brother chiefs are torn,
    Their steeds and chariot to the navy borne.
    With deep concern divine Æneas view'd
    The foe prevailing, and his friends pursued;
    Through the thick storm of singing spears he flies,
    Exploring Pandarus with careful eyes.
    At length he found Lycaon's mighty son;
    To whom the chief of Venus' race begun:
    "Where, Pandarus, are all thy honours now,
    Thy winged arrows and unerring bow,
    Thy matchless skill, thy yet unrivall'd fame,
    And boasted glory of the Lycian name?
    O pierce that mortal! if we mortal call
    That wondrous force by which whole armies fall;
    Or god incensed, who quits the distant skies
    To punish Troy for slighted sacrifice;
    (Which, oh avert from our unhappy state!
    For what so dreadful as celestial hate)?
    Whoe'er he be, propitiate Jove with prayer;
    If man, destroy; if god, entreat to spare."
    To him the Lycian: "Whom your eyes behold,
    If right I judge, is Diomed the bold:
    Such coursers whirl him o'er the dusty field,
    So towers his helmet, and so flames his shield.
    If 'tis a god, he wears that chief's disguise:
    Or if that chief, some guardian of the skies,
    Involved in clouds, protects him in the fray,
    And turns unseen the frustrate dart away.
    I wing'd an arrow, which not idly fell,
    The stroke had fix'd him to the gates of hell;
    And, but some god, some angry god withstands,
    His fate was due to these unerring hands.
    Skill'd in the bow, on foot I sought the war,
    Nor join'd swift horses to the rapid car.
    Ten polish'd chariots I possess'd at home,
    And still they grace Lycaon's princely dome:
    There veil'd in spacious coverlets they stand;
    And twice ten coursers wait their lord's command.
    The good old warrior bade me trust to these,
    When first for Troy I sail'd the sacred seas;
    In fields, aloft, the whirling car to guide,
    And through the ranks of death triumphant ride.
    But vain with youth, and yet to thrift inclined,
    I heard his counsels with unheedful mind,
    And thought the steeds (your large supplies unknown)
    Might fail of forage in the straiten'd town;
    So took my bow and pointed darts in hand
    And left the chariots in my native land.
    [pg 089]
    "Too late, O friend! my rashness I deplore;
    These shafts, once fatal, carry death no more.
    Tydeus' and Atreus' sons their points have found,
    And undissembled gore pursued the wound.
    In vain they bleed: this unavailing bow
    Serves, not to slaughter, but provoke the foe.
    In evil hour these bended horns I strung,
    And seized the quiver where it idly hung.
    Cursed be the fate that sent me to the field
    Without a warrior's arms, the spear and shield!
    If e'er with life I quit the Trojan plain,
    If e'er I see my spouse and sire again,
    This bow, unfaithful to my glorious aims,
    Broke by my hand, shall feed the blazing flames."
    To whom the leader of the Dardan race:
    "Be calm, nor Phoebus' honour'd gift disgrace.
    The distant dart be praised, though here we need
    The rushing chariot and the bounding steed.
    Against yon hero let us bend our course,
    And, hand to hand, encounter force with force.
    Now mount my seat, and from the chariot's height
    Observe my father's steeds, renown'd in fight;
    Practised alike to turn, to stop, to chase,

    GOP: The Party of Acid rain, Abortion of the American Dream, and Amnesty for Wall Street.

    by Attorney at Arms on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 08:59:31 PM PDT

    •  Yes, well, that's all very good, BUT: (6+ / 0-)

      TURNING and turning in the widening gyre
      The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
      Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
      Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
      The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
      The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
      The best lack all conviction, while the worst
      Are full of passionate intensity.

      Surely some revelation is at hand;
      Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
      The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
      When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
      Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
      A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
      A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
      Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
      Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
      The darkness drops again; but now I know
      That twenty centuries of stony sleep
      Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
      And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
      Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

      To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

      by UntimelyRippd on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:49:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Well, that didn't take long. (9+ / 0-)

    Finally, an absolutely flaming POS CT diary i can safely hr.
    Thanks so much.

    "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

    by blueoregon on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:00:51 PM PDT

  •  Edscan, (6+ / 0-)

    is that you?

    "We don't think the government can solve all of our problems, but we don't think the government is the source of our problems." -- Barack Obama

    by Mnemosyne on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:01:41 PM PDT

  •  The thing about conspiracies this vast (2+ / 0-)

    is that even if people shut up while they are alive, inevitably when they die one or more reveals the truth.

    This would have been a massive conspiracy, many people in it.

    So that's why on a practical level it's nonsense.

    •  You need some reason beyond "it's absurd" (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Villanova Rhodes

      and "it's been mined to death already, why do you think that there's anything you can add"?

      Wow.  You're more patient than I can imagine ever being.

    •  Plenty of people have "talked" ... (0+ / 0-)

      Including Lyndon Johnson to his mistress Madeleine Brown.

      Madeleine Duncan Brown was a mistress of Lyndon Johnson for 21 years and had a son with him named Steven Mark Brown in 1950. Madeleine mixed with the Texas elite and had many trysts with Lyndon Johnson over the years, including one at the Driskill Hotel in Austin, TX, on New Year's Eve 12/31/63.
      In the late evening of 12/31/63, just 6 weeks after the JFK assassination, Madeleine asked Lyndon Johnson:
      "Lyndon, you know that a lot of people believe you had something to do with President Kennedy's assassination."
      He shot up out of bed and began pacing and waving his arms screaming like a madman. I was scared!
      "That's bull__, Madeleine Brown!" he yelled. "Don't tell me you believe that crap!"
      "Of course not." I answered meekly, trying to cool his temper.
      "It was Texas oil and those _
      _ renegade intelligence bastards in Washington." [said Lyndon Johnson] [Texas in the Morning, p. 189] [LBJ told this to Madeleine in the late night of 12/31/63 in the Driskill Hotel, Austin, TX in room #254. They spent New Year’s Eve together here six weeks post JFK assassination. Room #254 was the room that LBJ used to have rendevous’ with his girlfriends – today it is known as the "Blue Room" or the "Presidential room" and rents for $600-1,000/night as a Presidential suite at the Driskill; located on the Mezzanine Level.]

    •  tiny circle of conspirators, and dead assassins (0+ / 0-)

      That's the only way this works. Unlike say, 9/11 "truth", this isn't a conspiracy that would require thousands of people. But the fact that all of the theorized CIA spook assassins (David Morales, E. Howard Hunt) lived to grow old is pretty damning to the conspiracy theories. Oswald fit the angry deluded spree killer profile to a T and already tried to assassinate General Edwin Walker. Also, Grassy Knoll shooter is complete myth fueled by laughably bad forensics so yeah. The Carcano rifle being utter crap is the best argument for Oswald's innocence at this point; even Bugliosi had to do some creative thinking to get around that.

      Of course if there was any sort of conspiracy, LBJ had to know something.

      BTW, we now know that a guy called the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City impersonating Oswald and linking to him a KGB assassin......and this info was explosive to enough to cause a massive real cover-up and scare Warren into leading the Commission. Lest the public think the Commies killed this guy and.........yeah.

      "See? I'm not a racist! I have a black friend!"

      by TheHalfrican on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 12:20:42 PM PDT

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  •  Was this post generated by a bot using random (10+ / 0-)

    ... words tied to 1963 and the assassination?

    Hey, kos, would nailing this guy be considered "Crap community behavior?"

    •  Well, that is mighty totalitarian of you (0+ / 0-)

      I suggest reading these books.

      If you want to get quickly “up to speed” on the JFK assassination, here is what to read:
      1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination by Phillip Nelson
      2) JFK and the Unspeakable:Why He Died and Why it Matters by James Douglass
      3) Brothers: the Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot
      4) The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh
      5) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty by Russ Baker
      6) Power Beyond Reason: The Mental Collapse of Lyndon Johnson by Jablow Hershman
      7) Google the essay “LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK” by Robert Morrow
      8) Google “National Security State and the Assassination of JFK by Andrew Gavin Marshall.”
      9) Google “Chip Tatum Pegasus.” Intimidation of Ross Perot 1992
      10) Google “Vincent Salandria False Mystery Speech.” Read everything Vincent Salandria ever wrote.
      11) Google "Unanswered Questions as Obama Annoints HW Bush" by Russ Baker
      12) Google "Did the Bushes Help to Kill JFK" by Wim Dankbaar
      13) Google "The Holy Grail of the JFK story" by Jefferson Morley
      14) Google "The CIA and the Media" by Carl Bernstein
      15) Google "CIA Instruction to Media Assets 4/1/67"
      16) Google "Limit CIA Role to Intelligence" Harry Truman on 12/22/63
      17) Google "Dwight Eisenhower Farewell Address" on 1/17/61
      18) Google "Jerry Policoff NY Times." Read everything Jerry Policoff ever wrote about the CIA media cover up of the JFK assassination.

  •  A lot of people might trust a fox, (5+ / 0-)

    who is auburn red with a bushy tail.  A handsome animal is the fox.

    But comes now the Gingerbread Man who wishes passage across the river. A swift river it is, and deep, and cold.  

    Hop upon my back, the fox says.  And I will bear you across the stream, as Christopher did the Christ child.

    Don't mind if I do, said the GingerBread Man.  And onto the fox's back did he then hop.

    Soon the fox said, The water grows swifter.  Best climb up on my neck.  And the Gingerbread Man did this very thing.  

    By mid-stream, the fox warned that the water was deepest of all at this point exactly and urged the GingerBread Man to ride on his nose to the other side.  

    As the GingerBread Man repositioned himself on the nose of the very fox, SNAP! wide open came the fox's hungry mouth and IN! went the GingerBread Man.

    All in an instant, mind you.  Fate always drives the express lane.

    And onto the other side of the stream did the lovely fox strut.  He'd had a yummy snack with but a small bit of guile.

  •  Mitt? Is that you? If you think this (5+ / 0-)

    is going to distract people from your complete unfitness to be President of the US, ummmm.....FAIL.

    In a dark time, the eye begins to see. Theodore Roethke

    by bibble on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:05:58 PM PDT

  •  That's a lot of information to digest. (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Villanova Rhodes

    I have studied the evidence surrounding the assassination for many years and it just makes sense to me that Oswald was the lone gunman and no patsy.

    And I suspect that his idea to kill JFK developed from his stay in Russia. The communists killed Tsar Nicholas. The Tsar's grandfather was also assassinated. Do you know who was blamed for that killing? Lenin's older brother. This was normal behavior with the Russians back then. It's the atmosphere Russians grew up in. And Oswald got a taste of that atmosphere.

    So I think killing JFK was a perfectly sane thing to do in Oswald's mind, since he was a commited communist. He hated capitalism with a passion. JFK just happened to be within reach so Oswald did what he thought was the only thing to do - shoot. That was the world he had been  exposed to in the USSR.  

    And from all the evidence I have read surrounding 11/22/63, the pieces all seem to fit. I see nothing to indicate Oswald didn't do it, or that Oswald was a patsy.

    It was LBJ who ordered the Warren Commission to investigate the murder. He wanted it completed before the '64 elections I believe.

    LBJ had his suspicions which seems natural.

    It was a very suspicious & paranoid world back then.

    •  Lee Harvey Oswald was US intelligence (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Sandino

      Lee Harvey Oswald was US intelligence and a rightist who hung around with ultra-rightists such as David Ferrie, Guy Bannister and Clay Shaw.

      That is what made Jim Garrison so suspcious and why ended up investigating the JFK assassination and putting Clay Shaw on trial. Garrison did not have enough evidence to convict, but he easily proved a conspiracy and went on national TV and said that the CIA murdered John Kennedy.

      Re: Oswald's intelligence connections read:

      1) "Oswald and the CIA" book by John Newman
      2) "Spy Saga: Lee Harvey Oswald and US Intelligence" book by Philip Melanson
      3) "History Will Not Absolve Us" by Martin Schotz (Chapter 5 "Oswald and U.S. Intelligence" by Christopher Sharrett)
      4) "Me and Lee" book by Judyth Vary Baker (Oswald's mistress in New Orleans, summer 1963)
      5) "A Certain Arrogance: U.S. Intelligence's Manipulation of Religious Groups and Individuals in Two World Wars and the Cold War - and the Sacrificing of Lee Harvey Oswald" book by George Michael Evica
      6) "Accessories After the Fact" by Sylvia Meagher, Chapter 19 "Oswald and the State Department'"
      7) "Coup D'Etat in America: The CIA and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy" by Alan Weberman & Michael Canfield, Chapter 3 "Was Oswald a CIA Agent?"
      8) "Oswald in New Orleans: Case for Conspiracy with the CIA" by Harold Weisberg
      9) Google “Lee Harvey Oswald’s reading habits summer 1963” by Judyth Vary Baker

  •  Easy Shepherd's Pie Recipe (7+ / 0-)

    Prep time: 10 minutesCook time: 50 minutes
    Add to shopping list
    INGREDIENTS
    1 1/2 lbs ground round beef
    1 onion chopped
    1-2 cups vegetables - chopped carrots, corn, peas
    1 1/2 - 2 lbs potatoes (3 big ones)
    8 tablespoons butter (1 stick)
    1/2 cup beef broth
    1 teaspoon Worcestershire sauce
    Salt, pepper, other seasonings of choice
    METHOD
    1 Peel and quarter potatoes, boil in salted water until tender (about 20 minutes).
    2 While the potatoes are cooking, melt 4 Tablespoons butter (1/2 a stick) in large frying pan.
    3 Sauté onions in butter until tender over medium heat (10 mins). If you are adding vegetables, add them according to cooking time. Put any carrots in with the onions. Add corn or peas either at the end of the cooking of the onions, or after the meat has initially cooked.

    4 Add ground beef and sauté until no longer pink. Add salt and pepper. Add worcesterchire sauce. Add half a cup of beef broth and cook, uncovered, over low heat for 10 minutes, adding more beef broth as necessary to keep moist.
    5 Mash potatoes in bowl with remainder of butter, season to taste.

    6 Place beef and onions in baking dish. Distribute mashed potatoes on top. Rough up with a fork so that there are peaks that will brown nicely. You can use the fork to make some designs in the potatoes as well.
    7 Cook in 400 degree oven until bubbling and brown (about 30 minutes). Broil for last few minutes if necessary to brown.
    Yield: Serves four.

    •  I don't mean to be argumentative (though I have (2+ / 0-)
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      operculum, Shliapnikov

      always thought there was a second shooter on the hill) but seriously, 10 minutes prep time??? That is some pretty fast slicing and dicing. I am starting to think maybe you aren't the only one in the kitchen, or there is another prep cook on the hill.

      Tracy B Ann - technically that is my signature.

      by ZenTrainer on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:17:49 PM PDT

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  •  of course we werent told the truth (4+ / 0-)
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    gaeton fonzi recently died, investigator for the official House Select committee on assassinations, which DID find  there was probably a conspiracy.

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    this of course is too long and unreadable.

    war is immoral. both parties are now fully complicit in the wars. bring everyone home. get to work.

    by just want to comment on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:14:20 PM PDT

  •  No, it was Jackie (4+ / 0-)

    Jackie got sick of his womanizing and had him taken out.

    On a more serious note, this is pure unadulterated Conspiracy Theory. Take it someplace else.

    •  It really is unadulterated Conspiracy (4+ / 0-)
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      Villanova Rhodes, crose, koNko, ZenTrainer

      Theory -- and I won't read unadulterated Conspiracy Theory unless it's a lot longer than this.

      First rule of Conspiracy Theory for me is, Be Expansive!

    •  Conspiracy theories (1+ / 0-)
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      People who think that all conspiracy theories are nuts are nuts themselves.

      Human history is the story of dark conspiracies; the Bible is full of them.

      Et tu, Brute (LBJ)?

      The Kennedys and Lyndon Johnson absolutely hated each other.

    •  Jackie & RFK told the Russians it was a (1+ / 1-)
      Recommended by:
      Sandino
      Hidden by:
      Bob Love

      conspiracy. Read - "Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years" by Salon founder David Talbot

      http://www.amazon.com/...

      Brothers begins on the shattering afternoon of November 22, 1963, as a grief-stricken Robert Kennedy urgently demands answers about the assassination of his brother. Bobby's suspicions immediately focus on the nest of CIA spies, gangsters, and Cuban exiles that had long been plotting a violent regime change in Cuba. The Kennedys had struggled to control this swamp of anti-Castro intrigue based in southern Florida, but with little success.

      Brothers then shifts back in time, revealing the shadowy conflicts that tore apart the Kennedy administration, pitting the young president and his even younger brother against their own national security apparatus. The Kennedy brothers and a small circle of their most trusted advisors -- men like Theodore Sorensen, Robert McNamara, and Kenneth O'Donnell, who were so close the Kennedys regarded them as family -- repeatedly thwarted Washington's warrior caste. These hard-line generals and spymasters were hell-bent on a showdown with the Communist foe -- in Berlin, Laos, Vietnam, and especially Cuba. But the Kennedys continually frustrated their militaristic ambitions, pushing instead for a peaceful resolution to the Cold War. The tensions within the Kennedy administration were heading for an explosive climax, when a burst of gunfire in a sunny Dallas plaza terminated John F. Kennedy's presidency.

      Based on interviews with more than one hundred fifty people -- including many of the Kennedys' aging "band of brothers," whose testimony here might be their final word on this epic political story -- as well as newly released government documents, Brothers reveals the compelling, untold story of the Kennedy years, including JFK's heroic efforts to keep the country out of a cataclysmic war and Bobby Kennedy's secret quest to solve his beloved brother's murder. Bobby's subterranean search was a dangerous one and led, in part, to his own quest for power in 1968, in a passion-filled campaign that ended with his own murder. As Talbot reveals here, RFK might have been the victim of the same plotters he suspected of killing his brother. This is historical storytelling at its riveting best -- meticulously researched and movingly told.

  •  Haggis (5+ / 0-)

    1 sheep's lung
    1 sheep's stomach
    1 sheep heart
    1 sheep liver
    1/2 lb fresh suet (kidney leaf fat is preferred)
    3/4 cup oatmeal (the ground type, NOT the Quaker Oats type!)
    3 onions, finely chopped
    1 teaspoon salt
    1 teaspoon freshly ground pepper
    1/2 teaspoon cayenne
    1/2 teaspoon nutmeg
    3/4 cup stock

    Wash lungs and stomach well, rub with salt and rinse.

    Remove membranes and excess fat. Soak in cold salted water for several hours. Turn stomach inside out for stuffing.

    Cover heart and liver with cold water. Bring to a boil, reduce heat, cover and simmer for 30 minutes. Chop heart and coarsely grate liver.

    Toast oatmeal in a skillet on top of the stove, stirring frequently, until golden. Combine all ingredients and mix well. Loosely pack mixture into stomach, about two-thirds full. Remember, oatmeal expands in cooking.

    Press any air out of stomach and truss securely. Put into boiling water to cover. Simmer for 3 hours, uncovered, adding more water as needed to maintain water level.

    Prick stomach several times with a sharp needle when it begins to swell; this keeps the bag from bursting. Place on a hot platter, removing trussing strings. Serve with a spoon.

    Ceremoniously served with "neeps, tatties and nips" -- mashed turnips, mashed potatoes, nips of whiskey.

    •  To which I reply...Lutefisk! (4+ / 0-)

      First of all, invite brave people over for dinner who do not have misconceptions about this wonderful fish! Next, go to a store that carried the freshest of fish and seafood. Ideally, you would get the lutefisk that they pull out of a barrel (most stores hate those barrels a lot and don't do that anymore). Second best, it comes skinless and "trimmed" and packaged in a plastic.

      Buying it means you don't have to bother with catching and cleaning the fish and messing around with all that lye...

      Purchase the lutefisk a day before you want to serve it. Take it out of the plastic bag, put it in a large bowl, and cover with ice water. Change this water two to three times and keep in the refrigerator (if your family will let you). This firms up the fish.

      Put the lutefisk in a glass baking dish and season with salt and pepper. Put in a preheated oven at 375 degrees F. for 25 to 30 minutes. The fish is done when it flakes easily with a fork. Do not overcook it. It will look and taste pretty much like fish Jello...

      Allow at least a pound of lutefisk per person, served with hot melted butter. The two side dishes are riced potatoes and very small cooked frozen peas - no exceptions.

      "In other words, if we bust our butts, there's an even chance things will get better; and if we sit on our butts, there's a major chance things will go completely to hell". --- G2geek

      by Lorinda Pike on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:04:11 PM PDT

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  •  I was totally with you until this blooper: (7+ / 0-)
    tow the CIA line
    The proper phrase is "toe the CIA line." That's when I lost confidence in your diary. Sorry.
    •  Thank you, VR. (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Villanova Rhodes, CoyoteMarti

      We must demand correct diction, even from CT trolls.

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:36:18 PM PDT

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    •  The "CIA and the Media" by Carl Bernstein (1+ / 0-)
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      Sandino

      Job #1 for the CIA assets in the media was covering up the JFK assassination. Bernstein does not go into that, but he tells you all about the hundreds of CIA assets in the media, especially at NYT and CBS News.

      "THE CIA AND THE MEDIA"

      "How Americas Most Powerful News Media Worked Hand in Glove with the Central Intelligence Agency and Why the Church Committee Covered It Up"

      Web link here:  http://carlbernstein.com/...

  •  so if this diarist gets famous (8+ / 0-)

    in a few months, does markos write another diary telling us how bad we were to hand out HR's ?  

    Ted Kennedy: “The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die…”

    by jlms qkw on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:28:10 PM PDT

  •  Check out "The Bush Crime Family" (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Musial, rmx2630

    by Scott Horton.  Good book and covers the JFK assassination in detail.

    "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:31:16 PM PDT

    •  The Immaculate Deception: Bush Crime Famly Exposed (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      BigAlinWashSt, Sandino, rmx2630

      Here is another fabulous book on the Bush Crime Family:

      The Immaculate Deception: Bush Crime Family Exposed

      "Perhaps the most shocking book written this century about treason committed by the highest leaders within the US government. This disturbing and thought-provoking expose is written by Brigadier General Russell S Bowen who has courageously come forward with the truth about his association with the OSS (Office of Security Services) and his 'drug running' activities on behalf of the 'secret' government which involves the highest US 'leaders' and which few Americans know anything about. The most startling details are revealed regarding Bowen's clandestine work including his work under the orders of George Bush."

      http://www.amazon.com/...

      •  Actually I meant, "Family of Secrets" by (0+ / 0-)

        Russ Baker.  That's the one I read.  Didn't read the Horton book so I'll take that back.
        Thanks for this link.  We do get very high level whistleblowers from time to time, like General Smedley Butler, "War is a Racket".   I'll see what General Bowen has to say.

        "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:27:56 PM PDT

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  •  But what about the Moon landing? (9+ / 0-)

    How can you write a diary this long with so many great facts in it and and not even address the Moon landing?

  •  Warning everyone (10+ / 0-)

    Robert Morrow is an Austin based RON PAUL activist and past Texas GOP state convention delegate who became famous for his ad in the Austin Chronicle essentially asking for Rick Perry's boyfriends to spill the beans:

    Ron Paul Supporter Runs Full-Page Newspaper Ad Seeking Possible Rick Perry Mistresses [sic]

    Just an FYI is this troll of a diary isn't proof enough.

    "Lesbian and gay people are a permanent part of the American workforce, who currently have no protection from the arbitrary abuse of their rights on the job." --Coretta Scott King

    by craigkg on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:39:13 PM PDT

    •  Thanks. (1+ / 0-)
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      Unit Zero

      This guy is a real gem, eh?

      © grover


      So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

      by grover on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:44:12 PM PDT

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    •  Gay activist Glen Maxey wrote a book on Perry (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Sandino

      I the 2012 general election, I have been quite outspoken that I think Barack Obama is a far better choice than Mitt Romney, although I am a libertarian Ron Paul supporter.

      Glen Maxey who is a former Texas state representative, very liberal and also one of the top gay activists in Texas, wrote a book all about Rick Perry's gay lifestyle and Glen Maxey's effort to uncover it.

      I knew all about Rick Perry's antics with strippers and female escorts - "young hotties" if you will, because they told me.

      Glen Maxey with his deep ties in Austin's gay communities, became well versed in Rick Perry's "down low" lifestyle of homosexual prostitutes and hook ups.

      Check out this link:

      http://gawker.com/...

      And also go to Amazon and buy Maxey's book "Head Figure Head."

      •  "Head Figure Head" about Rick Perry (0+ / 0-)

        Here is the link to gay activist and former Texas state rep Glen Maxey's book exposing anti-gay Rick Perry and his gay lifestyle:

        I think you ought to buy a copy - I have!!

        http://www.amazon.com/...

      •  I'm well aware of the book and have met Glen (0+ / 0-)

        The issue I take with you, aside from the atrocious libel of LBJ above is that you are a Paulite trolling a progressive blog. I have little doubt to the veracity of the rumors that swirl around Rick Perry.

        "Lesbian and gay people are a permanent part of the American workforce, who currently have no protection from the arbitrary abuse of their rights on the job." --Coretta Scott King

        by craigkg on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:52:05 PM PDT

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        •  There are truth and lies everywhere (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Sandino

          Here are some good books to read on LBJ, who was an absolutely depraved man. He had a personal hit man named Malcolm Wallace: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/...

          Read 2 books on LBJ and you will understand what a psychopath the man was:

          1) "Lyndon B. Johnson: A Memoir" by George Reedy
          http://www.amazon.com/...

          2) "Power Beyond Reason: The Mental Collapse of Lyndon Johnson"

          http://www.amazon.com/...

        •  Here is my Ad on Rick Perry that went viral (0+ / 0-)

          I knew about Rick Perry and the girls because they told me, multiple sources. I did not know the homosexual angle early on. But after I ran my ads gays started contacting me and telling me all about Rick Perry.

          My "Have You Ever Had Sex With Rick Perry?"

          http://www.salon.com/...

          Here is one of the first leads I got on Rick Perry's "down low" side. I don't think even Glen Maxey had this lead.

          Here is the transcript of a voicemail from a gay guy on my answering machine:

          Monday 8:38: AM, August 15, 2011

              Yes, Robert Morrow, my name is __ and I saw your posting on the website called FITS News.com. I actually posted there last night. I am one of the very last ones. I haven't refreshed the page yet. I just got back to my lap top this morning. But at any rate...
              I know a man in Austin who has had sex with Rick Perry. You know, it seems to me that what you had posted here was that it's sort of a theory so far. In my posting I make it clear, you know, big deal so what who cares? But - I do take exception, that's not the word, I'm just, my mind is not awake yet, sorry. But I have serious problems with someone who allies themself with a hate group. And these Jesus Nazis - I call them evangelical dumbfucks.
              You know that is ... just unacceptable to say the least. But I can tell you more about it if you want to hear more. But it's not a theory.
              Rick is a classic RepugnantCon (I call them Repugnantcons) gay basher who is in the closet. I mean he is just Larry Craig ... exponentially. You know, so I live in the Austin area if you want to talk to me about it. I'm at 512-XXX-XXXX.
              I suspect the number showed up anyway. Anyhow I would definitely like to talk with you anyway. I'm interested in some of the things you stated on your postings. Again 512-XXX-XXXX.

              Hope to hear from you man. Thanks. Bye-bye.

  •  This turned out about as I expected it to (6+ / 0-)

    Sometimes I yield to morbid curiosity just to see the wreckage.

  •  Group think prevails again (3+ / 0-)
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    Not for nothing but the official United States Government stance on the JFK assassination is that there was a "probable conspiracy" per the House Select Committee on Assassinations findings in 1976.

    But I guess you folks that HR'd know more about the subject than HSCA did.

    And judging from the diarists laundry list of names. he must have too. lol

    "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

    by Farkletoo on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:48:20 PM PDT

    •  Wonder how many on here have read (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      those findings.

      "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

      by BigAlinWashSt on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:50:57 PM PDT

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      •  According to House Report CIA not involved ... (0+ / 0-)

        ... in the assassination of JFK.  Please note 3(e) from the Report as noted below.

        Furthermore, the finding of a conspiracy by the House Committee was mostly based on acoustical evidence of a possible fourth shot coming from the Grassy Knoll.  This evidence was subsequently challenged, and some would argue refuted, by technical experts who analyzed the dictabelt recording which recorded the fourth shot and concluded it was the resullt of the actual shots being heard and recorded over again due to "cross talk" on the police radio channel.

        Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations of the U.S. House of RepresentativesSummary of Findings and

        Recommendations

        Findings in the Assassination of President Kennedy

        I. Findings of the Select Committee on Assassinations in the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy in Dallas, Tex., November 22, 1963

        1.Lee Harvey Oswald fired three shots at President John F. Kennedy. The second and third shots he fired struck the President. The third shot he fired killed the President.
        a.President Kennedy was struck by two rifle shots fired from behind him.

        b.The shots that struck President Kennedy from behind him were fired from the sixth floor window of the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository building.

        c.Lee Harvey Oswald owned the rifle that was used to fire the shots from the sixth floor window of the southeast comer of the Texas School Book Depository building.

        d.Lee Harvey Oswald, shortly before the assassination, had access to and was present on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository building.

        e.Lee Harvey Oswald's other actions tend to support the conclusion that he assassinated President Kennedy.

        2.Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy. Other scientific evidence does not preclude the possibility of two gunmen firing at the President. Scientific evidence negates some specific conspiracy allegations.

        3.The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.

        a.The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Soviet Government was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.

        b.The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the Cuban Government was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy.

        c.The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that anti-Castro Cuban groups, as groups, were not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved.

        d.The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that the national syndicate of organized crime, as a group, was not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, but that the available evidence does not preclude the possibility that individual members may have been involved.

        e.The Secret Service, Federal Bureau of Investigation and Central Intelligence Agency were not involved in the assassination of President Kennedy

        These Republican gluttons of priviledge are cold men ... They want a return of the Wall Street economic dictatorship -- Harry Truman

        by Laborguy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:16:09 PM PDT

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        •  It's 1984 man. I can't talk. But thanks. (0+ / 0-)

          These people are serious.

          "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

          by BigAlinWashSt on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:19:26 PM PDT

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        •  The HSCA was yet another cover up. (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          Sandino

          It was Lyndon Johnson and US military intelligence. The most incriminating stuff on Lyndon Johnson came out in the 1980's, after the 1978 HSCA, when Madeleine Brown, Barr McClellan & Billie Sol Estes came public.

          If you want to get quickly “up to speed” on the JFK assassination, here is what to read:
          1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination by Phillip Nelson
          2) JFK and the Unspeakable:Why He Died and Why it Matters by James Douglass
          3) Brothers: the Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot
          4) The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh
          5) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty by Russ Baker
          6) Power Beyond Reason: The Mental Collapse of Lyndon Johnson by Jablow Hershman
          7) Google the essay “LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK” by Robert Morrow
          8) Google “National Security State and the Assassination of JFK by Andrew Gavin Marshall.”
          9) Google “Chip Tatum Pegasus.” Intimidation of Ross Perot 1992
          10) Google “Vincent Salandria False Mystery Speech.” Read everything Vincent Salandria ever wrote.
          11) Google "Unanswered Questions as Obama Annoints HW Bush" by Russ Baker
          12) Google "Did the Bushes Help to Kill JFK" by Wim Dankbaar

          •  Please explain how the HSAC was yet ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... another cover up?  I am not looking for theories or speculation from you (or other authors), but actual facts and evidence.  You are asserting the HSAC deliberately covered up the JFK assassination.  Please explain the facts and evidence that led you to this conclusion.

            These Republican gluttons of priviledge are cold men ... They want a return of the Wall Street economic dictatorship -- Harry Truman

            by Laborguy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:07:39 PM PDT

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            •  The CIA infilitrated and controlled the HSCA (0+ / 1-)
              Recommended by:
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              elmo

              The first thing they did was knock out Richard Sprague as the chief counsel of the HSCA and install Robert Blakey who simply was not going to investigate the CIA's role in the JFK assassination.

              Sprague was a real threat to start pulling up some stones and look at the bugs underneath them. Blakey would not do that and on top of that the CIA lied to him.

              On top of that the HSCA would not bring back CIA David Atlee Phillips and grill him about being Maurice Bishop who was see with Oswald (Oswald was US intelligence).

              Then there is the case of CIA George Joannides who did a yoeman's job of deceiving the HSCA and not telling them he was one of the early ones in 1963 trying to pin it all on Oswald for the Agency.

              1)http://www.jfklancer.com/...

              2) http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/...

              Blakey ended up pushing the bogus "mob did it" story

              •  So, what exactly is your evidence ... (0+ / 0-)

                to support your assertion that the CIA knoced out Richard Sprague and replace him with Blakey?  Do you have actual testimony or statements from HSAC members or staffers?  From the CIA officials involved?  Do you have other evidence of a CIA inspired cover up?  Documentary proof?  So far, you have provided me only with more assertions without any evidence to back it up.  Your only sources of proof are to provide some links to others who made similar assertions, again without actual evidence.

                This could go on forever, so I am going to leave it at this: you are free to believe whatever you want about the JFK assassination, just as I am free to believe whatever I want.  However, speculation and conspiracy theories do not on a balance of probability prove anything.  I really don't care what you THINK happened.  I am only interested what can be proven on a balance of probability.  There are hundreds of conspiracy theories about the JFK assassination published by authors who have turned it into a cottage industry.  But without real facts or evidence, most of them have about as much actual value as me saying that JFK was assassinated by aliens from Area 51 who were cahoots with the LBJ and Military-Industrial Complex and everything was all covered up, so I can't prove it because the evidence has been destroyed, but please believe me anyway.  

                Sorry, not buying your theory.

                These Republican gluttons of priviledge are cold men ... They want a return of the Wall Street economic dictatorship -- Harry Truman

                by Laborguy on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:49:38 PM PDT

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                •  Look, I'm not an expert on this stuff ..... (2+ / 0-)
                  Recommended by:
                  Farkletoo, KenBee

                  But, I am one of the 75% of the public that believes that the Kennedy assassination was the result of a conspiracy - ie. Oswald did not act alone.

                  As for the House Select Committee on Assassinations, I don't know if it was infilitrated and controlled by the CIA.  I don't know why Sprague was replaced with Blakely.  But I do know that in 2003 Blakely had completely changed his opinion on how the CIA had cooperated with HSCA investigations and with the Warren Commission.  

                  PBS Frontline - Interview with G. Robert Blakely

                  <.snip.>

                  G. Robert Blakey's 2003 Addendum to this Interview:

                  <..snip..>

                  "Significantly, the Warren Commission's conclusion that the agencies of the government co-operated with it is, in retrospect, not the truth.

                  We also now know that the Agency set up a process that could only have been designed to frustrate the ability of the committee in 1976-79 to obtain any information that might adversely affect the Agency.

                  Many have told me that the culture of the Agency is one of prevarication and dissimulation and that you cannot trust it or its people. Period. End of story.

                  I am now in that camp."

                  Now, I am also aware that as a result of the work done by the HSCA and as a result of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992, a tremendous amount of material relating to the JFK assassination has been declassified and released in the last 20 years.  This material is still being studied and analyzed and more should be released in the future.  This new material has revolutionized the study of the Kennedy assassination.  If you have not read any of reputable new books published on the subject in the last 5 or 6 years, you should probably consider yourself uninformed.  I would personally recommend "JFK and the Unspeakable", written by James W. Douglass and published in 2008.  Douglass is an activist, theologian and academic with an impeccable reputation.  Daniel Ellsberg said the following about the book:
                  "Douglass presents, brilliantly, an unfamiliar yet thoroughly convincing account of  a  series  of  creditable  decisions  of John  F.  Kennedy-at  odds  with  his  initial Cold  War  stance-that  earned  him  the secret  distrust  and  hatred  of  hard-liners
                  among  the Joint  Chiefs  of   Staff  and  the  CIA. Did  this  suspicion  and  rage  lead directly  to  his  murder  by  agents  of  these  institutions,  as  Douglass  concludes? Many  readers  who  are  not  yet  convinced  of  this  'beyond  reasonable  doubt'  by Douglass's  prosecutorial  indictment  will find themselves, perhaps-like  myself­ for  the  first  time,  compelled  to  call  for  an  authoritative  criminal  investigation. Recent  events  give  all  the  more  urgency  to  learning  what  such  an  inquiry  can teach us about how, by whom,  and in whose interests this  country  is  run."
                  Among the the information that has come to light as a result of the JFK Records Act is a transcript of a conversation between LBJ and J. Edgar Hoover which took place the morning after the assassination.  To me, this is a "smoking gun".  The conversation is Hoover's update to LBJ on the progress of the Oswald investigation (at this point Oswald was still alive).  The interesting part is their discussion of Oswald's visit to the Cuban and Soviet embassies in Mexico City 2 months before the assassination, when he was supposedly trying to defect to the USSR for the 2nd time.

                  History Matters - LBJ-Hoover 11-23-63

                  <..snip..>
                  But when LBJ then asked "Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico in September," an event of no little interest to the inner circles of government, Hoover replied "No, that's one angle that's very confusing for this reason. We have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet Embassy, using Oswald's name. The picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet Embassy down there." In other words, an imposter had implicated Oswald in a relationship with Soviet agents, less than two months before the assassination.
                  And now finally, just in case you didn't find Richard Nixon really, really creepy:

                  Youtube - Nixon jokes about LBJ killing JFK

                  "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." - bush summing up his first year in office, 3 months after 9/11, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001

                  by rmx2630 on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 04:39:39 AM PDT

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                  •  Nixon administration denied Watergate conspiracy (2+ / 0-)
                    Recommended by:
                    KenBee, rmx2630

                    theories, in some cases, into perpetuity.

                    If not for a whistle blower providing inside information to a couple of reporters, that is all it would have been, a conspiracy theory.

                    "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

                    by Farkletoo on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 05:59:52 AM PDT

                    [ Parent ]

          •  But of course they were...lol (0+ / 0-)

            You are making it very hard for me to keep this Tin foil hat on my head.

            "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

            by Farkletoo on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 05:29:26 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  Thanks for the partial list of HSCA findings (0+ / 0-)

          I guess it proves a point you want to make?

          "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

          by Farkletoo on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 05:24:50 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Hey, stick up for me!! (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Sandino

      Don't let those haters "report" me! What did Jesus say? - God forgive them for they know not what they do.

      The HSCA was yet another cover up of the JFK assassination, despite the finding of conspiracy. They said the grassy knoll shooter missed!!

      He hit that is why JFK's head goes "back and to the left."

      Read "The Last Investigation" by Gaeton Fonzi

      http://www.amazon.com/...

      •  Robert, I can't say I completely agree with you (3+ / 0-)
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        Farkletoo, KenBee, adrianrf

        But I do think that the JFK assassination is worthy of discussion and I also think that the level juvenile ridicule in the comments to this diary is way over the top.

        If I could make a suggestion to you, it would be that you consider drastically shortening your diary and narrowing its focus.  People have written entire books about the premise you are trying to argue in this single diary.  I think it's difficult to have a fruitful discussion about such a broad topic.  And I've noticed that some people just get annoyed by very long diaries.

        Perhaps a series of much shorter diaries each examining narrow aspects of your argument would work better.  But, I do think that you should be prepared for a certain amount of the group-think you have seen with this diary.  People on dailykos are (let's say) sensitive about the word "conspiracy".  It goes back to CT discussions from the time of  9/11 (in case you're not familiar with the history).

        "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." - bush summing up his first year in office, 3 months after 9/11, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001

        by rmx2630 on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 05:32:18 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  cut cut cut (0+ / 0-)

        its just WAY too long to entice anyone to read it.

        write a high school theme with an introductory paragraph with a thesis. support the thesis.

        whatever happened, it wasnt what we were told the slam dunk evidence is all mostly planted. (para1)

        oswald was a radar operator at a U2 base, does that sound like the worlds biggest loser. gary powers blamed oswald for being shot down.

        he taught himself russian

        his best friend in dallas was an oil man who had rumored to be in intelligence everywhere he went.  who had once dated and proposed to jackie kennedys mom. (biggest loser?)

        johnson told hoover the day after the assassination, we cant investigate every murder scrape in the country, i think that is on audio mp3,  another white house tape between those two is missing.

        etc etc.

        nobody is going to prove this case, but just tell people that its not the slam dunk they are being told.

        war is immoral. both parties are now fully complicit in the wars. bring everyone home. get to work.

        by just want to comment on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 10:38:32 AM PDT

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    •  Just wannabe thugs (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      Farkletoo

      basking in their self-annointed authority as diary cops.  Give them a little official cover, and the clubs come out.

  •  TLDRBYDIS (2+ / 0-)
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    Bob Love, raincrow

    Too long didn't read because your diary is stupid.

    "We have so much time and so little to do. Strike that, reverse it." -- Willy Wonka

    by Huginn and Muninn on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:55:21 PM PDT

  •  300+ books on the JFK assassination? (3+ / 0-)
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    crose, Bob Love, raincrow

    Sounds like you can't seem to quite nail it down.

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:56:00 PM PDT

    •  One learns a little bit from everything (1+ / 0-)
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      Sandino

      Many are good books. The best one would be "LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination"

      http://www.amazon.com/...

      LBJ: The Mastermind of the JFK Assassination aims to expose Vice President Johnson's active role in the assassination of President Kennedy and how he began planning his takeover of the U.S. presidency even before being named the vice presidential nominee in 1960. Lyndon B. Johnson's flawed personality and character traits were formed when he was a child and grew unchecked for the rest of his life as he suffered severe bouts of manic depression and bipolar disorder, which were never treated until after he left the White House. He successfully hid this disorder from the public as he bartered, stole, and finessed his way through the corridors of power on Capitol Hill--though it is now known that some of his aides knew of his mental illness but felt helpless to take any action which would inevitably cause him to take retribution against them.

      The book starts by looking back into Johnson's past, from the time he was a boy in Texas.  It then follows the development of his character traits throughout his school days, through college and as a young congressional apprentice in Washington.  

      The essential themes of the book include:
         - Johnson's mental issues (paranoia, bi-polar disorder and sociopathic personality) and criminal associations drove him higher and higher up the ladder;
         - Desperate to achieve his lifelong obsession of becoming president of the United States, he began planning in 1958-59 to force himself onto the ticket as vice president in 1960, because of his fear of losing as a presidential candidate.
         - During his time as Vice President, Johnson hated being in that office and continued his criminal actions and associations with Billie Sol Estes and Bobby Baker (and through Baker, with many other Mafia-connected lobbyists like Fred Black, Irving Davidson, Mickey Weiner, oilmen like Clint Murchison and H.L. Hunt and gangsters like Johnny Roselli, Cliff Jones, Ed Levinson and Ben Seigelbaum, who were directly tied to Mob-boss Carlos Marcello and Sam Giancana, who were at war with the Kennedys).  All during his vice presidency, Johnson continued fighting Kennedy on every foreign and domestic initiative he tried to advance -- from Berlin to Cuba to Vietnam -- and did everything in his power to impede passage of the Civil Rights Act, keeping it bottled up in congress during the entire period.
         - As JFK continued making peace overtures to the cold war enemies (his "Peace Speech," the nuclear test ban, his reversal of policy towards Vietnam, his negotiated settlement on the Cuban missile crisis) a number of men holding very high offices in the military and intelligence agencies became very upset and decided, with Johnson's backing and provocations, to effect an "Executive Action" to remove JFK.

      There are many loose strings which connect all of this together and reveal the existence of a widely based conspiracy, with connections to the Mafia, the military and CIA networks.

      •  I don't want to get too involved in this (1+ / 0-)
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        rmx2630

        discussion, but my father, who knew LBJ, once called him the most ambitious man he ever met.

        On the night JFK chose him as his running mate, he told me, "If I were Jack Kennedy, I wouldn't walk down a flight of stairs in front of old Lyndon."

  •  Oh, wait, I get it! (2+ / 0-)

    You're testing that whole "no conspiracy theories on DK" rule!

    Man, are we gonna be embarrassed when you get bojo'ed and then it turns out you're right.

    You can call it "class warfare" -- we call it "common sense"

    by kenlac on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 09:58:53 PM PDT

    •  The vast majority of Americans (2+ / 1-)
      Recommended by:
      Sandino, rmx2630
      Hidden by:
      Bob Love

      believe the JFK assassination was a conspiracy. And they have believed that since 1966 when Mark Lane's book "Rush to Judgement" came out. And then almost 80-90% believed it was a conspiracy after the Zapruder Film was shown on national TV on the Geraldo Show in 1975.

      "Back and to the left! Back and to the left!" which implies a head kill shot from the Grassy Knoll in the front.

      Web link on Gallup measuring attitudes on the JFK assassination: http://www.gallup.com/...

  •  From the first sentence… (3+ / 0-)
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    koNko, ZenTrainer, raincrow
    Here is my current take on the JFK assassination.
    So I gather your position is evolving? Couldn't you have just said that?
    •  US military intelligence and LBJ killed JFK (1+ / 1-)
      Recommended by:
      Sandino
      Hidden by:
      Bob Love

      That is the big picture.

      The small picture and the details change as I learn more.

      Other things to read relating to the JFK assassination:

      1) Google "Operation Northwoods"
      2) Google "Trenton Parker Pegasus"
      3) Google "George Bush: World Class Monster"
      4) Google "www.prouty.org/letter.html"
      5) Google "Bo Gritz letter to George Bush 1988"
      6) Google "Santos Trafficante - It Should Have Been Bobby"
      7) Google "President's Who Cheat: It's Nothing New about Madeleine Brown"
      8) Google "Saint John Hunt Bond of Secrecy"
      9) Google "The Men on the Sixth Floor Loy Factor"
      10) Google " Some Relevant Facts About the JFK Asssassination by Phil Brennan 2003"
      11) Google "The Estes Documents - Billie Sol Estes"
      12) Google "LBJ killed JFK by Dan Eden"
      13) Google "Jack Ruby about the conspiracy to kill JFK"
      14) Google "The Reuther Memorandum"
      15) Google "The Senator Who Suspected a JFK Conspiracy Ralph Yarborough"
      16) Google "Dr. Charles Crenshaw"
      17) Google "LIFE Magazine, LBJ and the Assassination of JFK"
      18) Google "James Wagenvoord"
      19) Google" Judyth Vary Baker Education Forum"
      20) Google "Are Presidents Afraid of the CIA? by Ray McGovern"
      21) Google "JFK: How the Media Assassinated the Real Story by Robert Hennelly and Jerry Policoff"
      22) Google " Chapter 9, Control of the Media, The Taking of America 1-2-3"
      22) Google "President Lyndon Johnson: The War Within by Richard Goodwin"

  •  What? (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    raincrow

    No Louis Vitton or Dior bags or sunglasses?

    Bro, rent is almost due. Get moving.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 10:15:20 PM PDT

  •  Lets say you're right. (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Lost and Found, raincrow

    What now?

  •  Conspiracy theories are for optimists (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    fearlessfred14

    Conspiracy theories allow people the comfort of believing that, even though they are evil, there are competent adults running things.

  •  The version in The Illuminatus Trilogy (2+ / 0-)
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    raincrow, Unit Zero

    was more believable.

    [Spoilers]

    The TV Tropes Who Shot JFK? page summarizes:

    The Illuminatus! Trilogy had a field day with this; Oswald is about to shoot when he spots the man on the grassy knoll, who in turn is about to shoot when he sees a rifle poking out of a sewer grate, who in turn.... In its entirety, there was Oswald in the book depository, Harry Coin at the sewer at the Triple Underpass, a mafia gunman on the roof of a nearby restaurant, John Dillinger (one out of five) on the Grassy Knoll, and a fifth man behind him, who actually shot the fatal shots. Motive? Kennedy's speech about the final frontier made the stock prices of "Blue Sky Inc." skyrocket, just after the man had sold all his shares.
    Hail Eris!

    Hey, Mitt! Thanks for ObamneyCare. http://www.healthcare.gov

    by Mokurai on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:10:41 PM PDT

  •  I think it was the Nazis. (0+ / 0-)

    They hid in a sub in Loch Ness for years, made up to look like the Loch Ness Monster.  Then they made their way to the US.

  •  Roberts gone home. (1+ / 0-)
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    raincrow

    Boned home.

    where's the flashy thinghie?

    This machine kills Fascists.

    by KenBee on Mon Sep 17, 2012 at 11:41:19 PM PDT

  •  What color (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    raincrow

    is the sky on your planet?

    But the angle said to them, "Do not be Alfred. A sailor has been born to you"

    by Dbug on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 12:37:10 AM PDT

  •  You did not give the FBI much credit for the kill. (0+ / 0-)

    Some people are going to be steamed about that.

    I'd tip you but they cut off my tip box. "There is more stupidity than hydrogen in the universe, and it has a longer shelf life.” - Frank Zappa

    by OHdog on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 05:00:19 AM PDT

  •  Robert, here is why CT isn't welcome on DKos (IMO) (0+ / 0-)

    As has been said before, the stated mission of DKos is electing "more and better Democrats." Most here would see this as a worthy goal. I know I do.

    The problem with discussing any given conspiracy theory here comes down to two possibilities.

    1) what if it's false?

    And

    2) what if it's true?

    The first is easy to discuss. If it's false, we've just gone off into cloud cuckoo la la land, wasted time, and likely affected the credibility, and the ability, of this site to accomplish its stated mission of electing "more and better Democrats." Not so good. So, false conspiracy theories are not welcome here.

    The second is a bit more complicated but, I think, equally compelling. Consider the possibility that a major conspiracy theory is in fact true. In that case we're talking about people in very high places with serious mojo, who can come down hard on little people like us anytime they feel the need.

    If they feel threatened with exposure, isn't it logical that first they'd work to completely discredit the source of such speculation? If that happens there goes the reputation and credibility of the diarist, and (if it is allowed to continue) the entire DKos site.

    And if mere discrediting doesn't work? (Remember, this thought exercise is under the hypothesis that the CT is true.) These hypothetical serious mojo people pulled off a major deal once, if they feel threatened why wouldn't they try it again? This time with you as the target. Or this site. Or Markos.

    So there's no percentage either way. If the CT is false, speculation is pointless, and if it's true, speculation is dangerous. Which is, I think, why this site limits its focus and discourages CT discussions.

    Arbitrary squelching of discussion? Maybe. But I can see the point.

  •  Eject! Eject! (1+ / 0-)
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    howarddream

    !! Four more years !!

    by raincrow on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 08:35:54 AM PDT

  •  It may be faster if next time (1+ / 0-)
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    fearlessfred14

    you just list all the people/agencies that were NOT involved in the conspiracy.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 09:46:15 AM PDT

  •  Author has BOJO. What About Reccer's and Up-Rater? (0+ / 0-)

    They should all receive "NR" status at the least.

    I miss Speaker Pelosi :^(

    by howarddream on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 12:21:41 PM PDT

    •  NR is overused (0+ / 0-)

      I don't think reccing such a vanilla CT diary should result in NR. It's against the rules, but it's not anti-vax or racist or anything else that is genuinely harmful.

      Male, 22, -4.75/-6.92, born and raised TN-05, now WI-02, remorseless supporter of Walker's recall. Pocan for Congress and Baldwin for Senate!

      by fearlessfred14 on Tue Sep 18, 2012 at 11:32:50 PM PDT

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  •  Conspiracies don't happen, silly. (0+ / 0-)

    EVER. Evereverever.

    If you can find money to kill people, you can find money to help people. --Tony Benn

    by rhetoricus on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 10:24:27 AM PDT

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