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Originally posted to Comics on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:50 AM PDT.

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  •  Okay...this made me laugh...n/t (9+ / 0-)

    Nothing says your sorry like a dead bunny.

    by Caedy on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 06:54:12 AM PDT

  •  Well done. I like the "4 burning cars" rating. nt (7+ / 0-)
  •  Got a mental comment from God-man (17+ / 0-)

    He approves this message, and wants you to know.

    The Onion, post 9-11:

    God: "You. Shall. Not. Kill". Four words, each of one syllable. How much easier can I make it for you people?

    Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

    by blue aardvark on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:03:47 AM PDT

  •  I love "black" humor. (10+ / 0-)

    Much truth is often said in jest.  Thanks for telling it.  

    No apologies required for this one.  

    [scurries away as the Cartoon Police approach]

    He only employs his passion who can make no use of his reason. - Cicero

    by SpamNunn on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:04:25 AM PDT

    •  I think the only objections will come from (3+ / 0-)
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      people who excuse radical religious violence and behavior when its sourced in 3rd-world countries that don't have a lot of influence in the global sphere.

      •  I note that there is a tendency in this (9+ / 0-)

        country whenever we see riots in other countries to tell ourselves, "thank God that Christians are too civilized to do such things" but then it is brought up a French theater was bombed because of a film critical of Christianity.

        The response is "Yes but thank God that US Christians are too advanced and sophisticated to riot in the streets, loot, rob and murder"  When it is pointed out that extreme Christians and Christian militias have targeted people, murdered people, committed bank robberies, burglaries, wire fraud, and ID theft among other crimes to attract adherents and gather cash and money, the answer is that those folks were not "true" Christians but that they are criminals, which is why they are dealt with by the justice system.

        It seems religious violence is more common than we would think and religious intolerance informs the foreign policy of more than a few 3rd world nations.  While there are apologists for the actions of a few 3rd world country, there are also apologists for religious violence in our own backyards    

        •  I disagree though that "look over here" (2+ / 0-)
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          or "hey they do it too" is an appropriate response to most criticism of radical islamists (or other religious terrorists) coming from places like DailyKos. Christianity and those who act at least in part in the name of Christianity to do terrible, neoconish or otherwise misguided things are flayed here...so why such an allergy to placing blame on the feet for a particular action by those who actually committed that action? It's not like this diary is a call for a jihad...it's a cartoon.

          •  maybe it is because of the history behind (2+ / 0-)
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            the actions.  We have been a democratic society for centuries while many of these countries have never enjoyed free speech. We are centuries beyond our colonial period while for other countries they are only decades away from having foreign masters.  In several of these countries, their governments are proxies for colonial masters in their eyes. In some countries, US interference is still very evident as seen by frequent drone strikes.

            So maybe some countries get a bit more of a pass than the US does because to use the same standards and ignore the effects of  colonial control, current meddling in their affairs by countries that could be seen as colonialists, and their own lack of democratic traditions or institutions.  Taken in context, it may be surprising that the reactions are not more extreme than they have been. We remain ignorant of much of the context of these events.  For example, in Bahrain, there continues to be brutal repression of the Shi'a majority with Saudi and US assistance, yet the average American knows nothing of Bahrain though events there will leave scars that may not heal for generations  

            •  I won't give up my freedoms BUT... (3+ / 0-)
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              And this is a big but--The way that the West has profited at the expense of the Near East, by continuously corrupting it's governments and encouraging profiteering at the expense of it's populations has helped create the problems we face.

            •  But it's 2012. (0+ / 0-)

              There are some things that are pretty much universally right or universally wrong, and one of those things is killing innocent people, regardless of whether the US or a mob in Libya does it.

              •  I guarantee that not everyone here agrees with you (1+ / 0-)
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                on that one.  Especially the part where you say it doesn't matter whether it's the US or a mob in Libya.  And certainly a majority of Americans have no problem with the US killing innocent people overseas.

                The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                by AoT on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 12:31:08 PM PDT

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                •  That's a stretch. (1+ / 0-)
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                  It may not be sufficient outrage for some folks, but I seriously doubt anyone left of the neoconfederate teabaggers/neocons wish it were so that any innocents are lost in the conflict.

                  You don't think some things are universally wrong? For instance, wouldn't you agree that genocide is universally wrong? That circumcising women is?

                  •  Wishing isn't the point (1+ / 0-)
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                    The point is that it clearly is acceptable because people support the policy.

                    You don't think some things are universally wrong? For instance, wouldn't you agree that genocide is universally wrong? That circumcising women is?I think that all those things are wrong.  They aren't universally wrong unless by that you mean I always think they're wrong.  Generally 'universally' means that everyone agree, but since people actually do these things it's obvious that they aren't universal.

                    A big part of the problem when discussing ethics is that people often agree on ethical standards but disagree about facts.  For example, I would bet that even the hard right teabaggers agree that we shouldn't kill innocents, the problem being they think there are a lot fewer innocent people than you or I.  They, or some of them at least, are fine with killing civilians because they see them as being guilty, just like the folks that flew the planes into the WTC.  Those folks didn't see the people inside as innocents.

                    The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                    by AoT on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 02:50:49 PM PDT

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                  •  Just to be clear (0+ / 0-)

                    Oh course I think those things are always wrong.

                    The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

                    by AoT on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 02:51:30 PM PDT

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    •  Problem these days is a lot of hatred (3+ / 0-)
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      is disguised as black humor.  Rush went over the line in attacking Ms. Fluke for  example but his fall-back excuse was he meant it as black humor.  He forgot that, for this to be true, black humor is funny while hatred is not

    •  Or the other one (0+ / 0-)

      at least by those of us that understand political cartooning and satire.

  •  This shows a complete lack of respect (16+ / 0-)

    to insane religious fanatics.  

    :-)

    When the truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

    by Sun dog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:05:05 AM PDT

  •  So...Mohammed is real (5+ / 0-)

    and fixes bridges like Superman?  Sign me up!

  •  There was an article like this (5+ / 0-)

    in The Onion, but it's NSFW.

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:08:14 AM PDT

  •  Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back reference? (6+ / 0-)

    Sold.

    Paul Ryan has risen to prominence because he thinks that poor people should suffer and he doesn't mind saying so.

    by VictorLaszlo on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:09:30 AM PDT

  •  Wait... the art style suddenly seems familiar. (3+ / 0-)
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    -checks-

    Wow, so I've been a fan of Tom the Dancing Bug since before I knew Daily Kos existed, with the Freshman Philosophy Major Man comic.

  •  Of course, Christians seem to have many (3+ / 0-)
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    caricatures of God, too often in their own image and of which they are inordinately fond.

    They only seem to riot when one challenges the caricature, not the Real Deal.

    Life is the ultimate economic bubble; we leave this life with all the capital we initially invested: none.

    by Superskepticalman on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:13:07 AM PDT

  •  One effect of 9/11 was it made hate speech (9+ / 0-)

    and actions acceptable again, if not fashionable.  Either we all collectively lost our minds that day or the event ripped away the genteel and civilized veneer that so many Americans had adopted as we congratulated ourselves on being post-racial and so beyond the days of the KKK and lynchings.

    Not only has hate become mainstream, it has become a profession, something someone can do and make big bucks.  Better yet, instead of being restricted to basement offices and back alleys, hatred is now front page and acceptable.

    As I watch us invade other countries and change our own laws to restrict our own freedoms so we can feel safe, it seems bin Laden won.  Every time I think we may be regaining our senses and sense of proportion, something like this "Innocence of Muslims" happens to tear the scab off.

    The ultimate irony is that some folks now think this film was a scam by some con men taking advantage of the haters.  Though it was meant to be a feature length film, only the 13 minute trailer can be found.  Over $1M was raised to make the film but only $100K was spent.  No one has ever seen the actual film and no theater was ever booked for a showing.  The actors report they never received a complete script but were fed bits and pieces and never got an idea of what the completed product was supposed to be.  Finally, the actors, who are from the adult film community, complained the dialogue was amateurish and stilted, like it had been written minutes before it was handed to them.

    It seems Terry Jones and others happened upon this scam and re-purposed it but it is hard to say.  The connections between people in the hate interest are at once tenuous and pervasive.  The only certain thing at this point is that the only reason to release an Arabic trailer was specifically to inflame and incite Muslims    

    •  But isn't this "scam" as old as religion? (1+ / 0-)
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      "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

      by Farkletoo on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:28:17 AM PDT

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    •  Gawker posted a complete script. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm on a phone or I'd provide a link. The Muhammad character was called "George" but it was pretty clear otherwise what the film was about.

      The founding fathers knew of the mutually corrupting influences of Church and state, wisely sending them to opposite corners.

      by emidesu on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:29:15 AM PDT

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      •  there may be a complete script now (0+ / 0-)

        since there are indications, if this were a scam, that the film makers were trying to entice more investors, in a second stage of the scheme.  Evidently having scored big with the trailer, why stop there?  With enough time and enough investors, they might have even eventually ended up with a feature length film.  The problem with its being a legit project is that there is still no refutation of the charges that the filmmakers were skimming and scamming as hard as they could

        •  There is nothing indicating that it was (0+ / 0-)

          a legit project. I just noted that there was a script. The whole thing seems composed by a group of low lifes and petty criminals with nothing good in mind.

          The founding fathers knew of the mutually corrupting influences of Church and state, wisely sending them to opposite corners.

          by emidesu on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 12:25:31 PM PDT

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          •  There is a lot of money to be made in the hate (1+ / 0-)
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            industry.  It was only a matter of time before the con men would start tapping the flood of money available to professional haters.  I find a delicious irony if the haters did allow themselves to be taken and also might foretell of other schemes to come

    •  Incitement with twin motives (0+ / 0-)

      http://www.commondreams.org/...

      Now that their worst fears were realized, Coptic extremists and other pro-Mubarak dead-enders were resorting to subterfuge to undermine the ruling party, while pointing to the destabilizing impact of their efforts as proof of the government's bankruptcy. As Sadek said, "the violence that [the film] caused in Egypt is further evidence of how violent the religion and people".

      For far-right Christian right activists like Klein, the attacks on American interests abroad seemed likely to advance their ambitions back in the US. With Americans confronted with shocking images of violent Muslims in Egypt and Libya on the evening news, their already negative attitudes toward their Muslim neighbors were likely to harden. In turn, the presidential candidates, Obama and Romney, would be forced to compete for who could take the hardest line against Islamic "terror".

      !! Four more years !!

      by raincrow on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:27:24 AM PDT

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      •  desperate people are frequently the easiest (1+ / 0-)
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        people for con artists to scam because they need to believe so badly.  The Arab Spring represents the end for Mubarak cronies in many instances while it also evokes extreme fear among Coptic and their American Christian brethren because they see a resurgent Islam in the ME and a Saladin arising again, to lead the Muslim nations in another campaign of conquest. (not much chance of this happening but then these people tend to think medievally)  

        •  For unknown reasons, (0+ / 0-)

          W. Bush used the word Crusade in his one of his SOTU speechs.  For Islam, they hear crusade as Christians conquering them and think that will all happen tomorrow.

          Trying to soothe those fears was what  Obama was trying to do at his 2009 tour.  Now this intelligent effort is being caricatured by Republicans.

          •  GWB used the word Crusade because that was (1+ / 0-)
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            how he saw the US role in the ME and because it describes, in fundamentalist Christian terms, the US role in the ME.  Unfortunately, though GWB was nominally Methodist, his actual faith was closer to that of Dominionists and Tribulationists

  •  Love the dig at Aint-it-Cool-News. That site's (2+ / 0-)
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    been unreadable since Harry Knowles compared Blade II to being on the receiving end of cunnilingus.

    Non enim propter gloriam, diuicias aut honores pugnamus set propter libertatem solummodo quam Nemo bonus nisi simul cum vita amittit. -Declaration of Arbroath

    by Robobagpiper on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:19:53 AM PDT

  •  THIS CARTOON SUCKS! TROLL CARTOON!! (5+ / 0-)

    heh.
    Just kidding. >;)

    "That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State ..."- Vermont Constitution Chapter 1, Article 16

    by kestrel9000 on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:20:24 AM PDT

  •  I think I will burn some comic books in protest (5+ / 0-)

    "Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room." - President Merkin Muffley

    by Farkletoo on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:21:39 AM PDT

  •  Now that's Satire! Or is It Parody? (0+ / 0-)

    Me too confuzed . . .

    I miss Speaker Pelosi :^(

    by howarddream on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:23:40 AM PDT

  •  Trying to find the energy to be offended (4+ / 0-)

    But I think I'll just drink some tea instead. Coconut Chai FTW.

    Seriously, good send-up. Glad the alleged "Christians" here don't do this(yet).

    "I chose to change facts, reality, and the meaning of words, in order to make a much larger point." - Paul Ryan John Oliver

    by SC Lib on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:26:05 AM PDT

    •  Do you remember the furor over (3+ / 0-)
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      Piss Christ?

      The piece caused a scandal when it was exhibited in 1989, with detractors, including United States Senators Al D'Amato and Jesse Helms, outraged that Serrano received $15,000 for the work, part of it from the taxpayer-funded National Endowment for the Arts. Serrano received death threats and hate mail, and lost grants due to the controversy. Others alleged that the government funding of Piss Christ violated separation of church and state. The work was vandalized at the National Gallery of Victoria, Australia, and gallery officials reported receiving death threats in response to Piss Christ. Supporters argued that the controversy over Piss Christ is an issue of artistic freedom and freedom of speech.
      The only real difference is the media here doesn't call actions like this "terrorism". That's reserved for brown people. :P

      If we got Mitt to be slightly less dishonest and gave him some personality he could pass as a used car salesman.

      by ontheleftcoast on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:33:52 AM PDT

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      •  What was the film about Jesus that caused (3+ / 0-)
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        so much of an uproar?  I remember a French theater was firebombed for showing it.

        •  Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ (4+ / 0-)

          got a lot of angry receptions around the world. I had forgotten about the attack in Paris. This was in '88

          Government officials, religious leaders and film directors condemned today an apparent arson attack against a Paris theater that was showing Martin Scorsese's film ''The Last Temptation of Christ.'' The fire Saturday night left 13 people hospitalized, 1 of them in serious condition.

          The fire, if it proves to be arson, would be the most serious incident in a series of attacks against the film in Paris, Lyons, Nice, Grenoble and several other French cities. The incidents have included the clubbing of moviegoers and the throwing of teargas and stink bombs in theaters.

          The film, which seeks to show the human side of Jesus and which includes a scene in which he imagines having sex with Mary Magdalene, created a storm of controversy throughout France well before the movie opened in 17 theaters in Paris on Sept. 28.

          If we got Mitt to be slightly less dishonest and gave him some personality he could pass as a used car salesman.

          by ontheleftcoast on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:48:36 AM PDT

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          •  I couldn't see it in the theater (1+ / 0-)
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            our local theater didn't show it because of supposed bomb threats.  

            When the truth is only a matter of opinion, advantage goes to the liars.

            by Sun dog on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:01:37 AM PDT

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          •  Saw it in East TN, protester stinkbombed us (2+ / 0-)
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            w/ butyric acid and yelled something unpleasant. The parking lot was ringed with a ragged but determined line of protesters even approaching midnight.

            The management aired out the theater and we finished the movie. If anyone left while the smell was being cleared, I didn't see them go. I think most of us went less to see the movie than to show we would not be intimidated.

            I loved the movie, although I was not a Christian, and still think it is worthwhile for even the most rigid and/or fearful fundamentalist to see. It vividly drove home for me the enormity of being that man, moved to teach his doorway to zero karmic impact; knowing all along that the punishment for speaking as he did was death; overcoming his terror; and refusing to save his life by submitting to authority and silencing himself.

            !! Four more years !!

            by raincrow on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:14:28 AM PDT

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          •  thank you; my Swiss cheesed mind could (0+ / 0-)

            not come up with the name to save my life; I am finding that I am losing more and more facts as time progresses, where I remember bits and pieces but cannot recall critical information about an event

            •  Don't kick yourself (1+ / 0-)
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              I remembered the movie but had forgotten about how violent the reaction to it was. We all remember things differently.

              If we got Mitt to be slightly less dishonest and gave him some personality he could pass as a used car salesman.

              by ontheleftcoast on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:50:30 AM PDT

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              •  it is still frustrating for me (1+ / 0-)
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                I have seen the day when I could recite pages of Shakespeare and could teach entire scenes without referring to notes or text.  The loss of memory is one of the cruelest events for someone because you are always left remembering bits and pieces but not enough to be able to relate what you are trying to say.
                The loss of words is the most maddening.  the other day I forgot the word for stapler and had to reference an Office Depot catalogue to come up with it

        •  Monty Python's Life of Bryan? (1+ / 0-)
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          No firebombing but 30 year bans of showing the film

          From Wiki (see the IMDB trivia bits as well)

          ...the film was shunned by the BBC and ITV, who declined to show it for fear of offending Christians in this country. Once again a blasphemy was restrained - or its circulation effectively curtailed - not by the force of law but by the internalisation of this law."[13] However, on its initial release in the UK, the film was banned by several town councils – some of which had no cinemas within their boundaries, or had not even seen the film. A member of Harrogate council, one of those that banned the film, revealed during a television interview that the council had not seen the film, and had based their opinion on what they had been told by the Nationwide Festival of Light, of which they knew nothing.[6]
          Some bans continued into the 21st century. In 2008, Torbay Council finally permitted the film to be shown after it won an online vote for the English Riviera International Comedy Film Festival.[14] In 2009, it was announced that a thirty-year old ban of the film in the Welsh town of Aberystwyth was finally lifted, and the subsequent showing was attended by Terry Jones and Michael Palin alongside mayor Sue Jones-Davies (who portrayed Judith Iscariot in the film).[15][16] However, before the showing, an Aberystwyth University student discovered that the film had never been banned in Aberystwyth, but was shown (or was scheduled to be shown) at a cinema in the town in 1981.[17][18]
          In New York, screenings were picketed by both rabbis and nuns ("Nuns with banners!" observed Michael Palin).[8] It was also banned for eight years in Ireland and for a year in Norway (it was marketed in Sweden as '"The film so funny that it was banned in Norway").[19]

          "now this is not the end, it is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." W. Churchill

          by Thor Heyerdahl on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 08:45:42 AM PDT

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      •  Ah Jesse Helms. He tried to change the tax law (1+ / 0-)
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        so that only "conventional" religions could file for tax exemption.

        He lost.

  •  Fucking brilliant! (3+ / 0-)
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    LMFAO at the kid concentrating on informing God-Man of the grave insult.  Heh.  

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:36:56 AM PDT

  •  No HRs yet? nt (4+ / 0-)

    “In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.” Terry Pratchett

    by 420 forever on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 07:46:46 AM PDT

  •  Damn Straight! "I'm Busy!" (0+ / 0-)
  •  God Man? (0+ / 0-)

    Not entirely sure but it seems Tom's sly point is that in actual fact Christians routinely shrug off mockery with patience while those vicious, self-infatuated, entitled Muslims do not.

    In open defiance of the liberal dogma that all religions are alike and the KOS party line that American conservative Christians are just as bad as the Taliban.

    Is that it?

    No more Tom at KOS?

    •  Nailed it (1+ / 0-)
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      I thought the comic pretty "*meh" at first

      BUT

      after reading Your comment, I realize that a comic that has a broad theme with an extremely ambiguous presentation can be read any which way by the audience, creating their own meanings and interpretations

      a perfect analogy to religious texts and messages

      so -- i guess he nailed it!

      "I want to keep them alive long enough that I can win them to Christ," - Rick Warren, Professional Greed Driven Scumbag

      by josephk on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 09:07:17 AM PDT

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      •  If only (0+ / 0-)

        If only I knew what "*meh" meant.

        As for the comic, sorry, I missed the name and took it to be by Tom Tomorrow.

        All the same, it looks pretty plain to me that this comic is actually a jibe at Islam, put into unfavorable comparison with the conduct of Christians.

        And that's an odd thing to find here at KOS.

  •  So delighted to see Ruben on DKos. That's all. (0+ / 0-)
  •  Oh man, you've just stirred up the idiots again... (0+ / 0-)

    There's a lot of people who won't get this and will think it's another offense to their favorite prophet.  

    Or some of the people who do get this will see another opportunity to spread outrage and violence.

    Aint fundamentalism great?

  •  God and man (1+ / 0-)
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    "What is man but a god who is afraid?"
    Maurice Maeterlinck

    Perhaps everything terrible is, in its deepest being, something helpless than wants help from us.

    by Fabienne on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 11:16:10 AM PDT

  •  I'm just happy to see a comic that doesn't trash (1+ / 0-)
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    religion, but instead makes light if the fact that it's SUPPOSED to be about peace and love and otherwise being good people.

    So thanks for that.

    My style is impetuous.
    My defense is impregnable.
    YOU'RE NOT ALEXANDER!

    by samfish on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 11:31:45 AM PDT

  •  Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!! (1+ / 0-)
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    Dear Ruben Bolling, Sir --

    Thank you for saying graphically what I have been thinking in a most ungraphic manner:  What sort of pathetic insecure people must these rioting Islamists be?

    I've worked in the Near East in a previous life (archaeologist), so I have a little familiarity with life there.  I know for a fact that these rioters-for-Muhammed represent a small fraction of the Muslim populace.  [That said, I suspect there is some larger fraction of those not rioting who quietly support the rioters-for-Muhammed.]

    But back to insecurity:  I have felt for some time that violent reactions to perceived affronts to the Prophet, blessings be on him, reflect a deep ambivalence in the conservative Muslim psyche in regards to the traditionalist/modernist chasm. These are probably men (most of them men) who keep their women covered AND enjoy western internet porn - guiltily or otherwise.

    I have this recurring mental image of conservative Catholics rioting all across the world every time someone says a mean thing about their Pope (or his cardinals or bishops).  [Burning what, secular bookstores? Evangelical churches?]

    That they don't should tell you all you need to know about pathetic conservative Muslim insecurity!

    "Equal rights for gays." Yeah, it's just that simple.

    by planmeister on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 11:43:12 AM PDT

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