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The space between Mitt Romney's words to high-dollar donors at a private fundraiser and his words to Circle of Protection, a group of faith leaders seeking to preserve government poverty programs, is huge. It's the space between:
All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them.
And:
Our government rightfully provides a safety net for the hungry, the homeless, the sick, and the elderly and we have the responsibility to keep it intact for future generations.
(See if you can guess which of those was said to wealthy Republicans and which was said to faith leaders who want to help poor people.)

But as big as the gap between those sentiments is the sincerity gap. At the fundraiser, Romney is comfortable. He's among rich people who support him. He's saying something he by all indications believes. In his message to Circle of Protection, he's uncomfortable, condescending, and not doing a good job selling his sincerity. In short: Romney is a lot more believable talking about how 47 percent of Americans are victim-moochers who have the nerve to believe they're entitled to eat than he is promising that "together we'll ensure that those who need our help remain within the circle of protection." It's right there on video, not hard to see.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 01:25 PM PDT.

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  •  Whenever Romney is quoted, we have to ask if (12+ / 0-)

    the statement was made in public or in "quite rooms" because that's the only way we'll know if he's lying.  What am I talking about.  Of course he's lying!  He's always lying.

    Quite rooms?  What the hell does not mean anyway?

    •  Some rooms are quite full of (5+ / 0-)

      rich people.

      Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

      by blue aardvark on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:00:10 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  But what % of voting GOOPs are these rich folks? (1+ / 0-)
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        blue aardvark

        He's their kind (wink), he's felt their pain (chaste hug), he's their knight in shining armour protecting their shitloads of dimes (hearty pat on the back, stout fellow and all that).

        But how does he avoid causing alternate halves of the lower-class GOOP heads  explode as he vasillates between his 'Mild Mannered Moderate Mittens for Massacheussetts' shtick and his  'The Willard the Ass Kicking Corporate Cold Hearted Conservative'  persona?

        How his campaign thinks this Mittens/Willard split personality will sway and D's, attract right leaning independents or turn the last of the  indescicisive uncommitted in his favor is beyond me.

         Though I have to give 'em credit, they have kept me vastly entertained since the last GOOP primary and promise to do so all the way up to ED.  

        "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

        by jakewaters on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:57:25 AM PDT

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      •  He also paid for Grandsons to possibly be aborted. (2+ / 0-)
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        blue aardvark, Chitown Kev

        MITT ROMNEY'S SON Signed 'Abortion' Clause In Surrogate Birth Contract/a>

        "TMZ has learned Mitt Romney's son Tagg -- who had twins this year through a surrogate -- signed an agreement that gave the surrogate, as well as Tagg and his wife, the right to abort the fetuses in non-life threatening situations ... and Mitt Romney covered some of the expenses connected with the arrangement ... and it may boil down to an incredibly stupid mistake. "

        DEMOCRACY is a Relay Race... and you pass the baton by VOTING! So don't vote for OBAMA, VOTE for M&M's, MEDICARE and MIDDLECLASS

        by LOrion on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 08:56:28 AM PDT

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    •  He's a salesman, but not a good one (6+ / 0-)

      He is used to schmoozing the rich and telling them what they want to hear. Since he and his wife have been protected from hoi polloi their entire lives, he has no idea how to sell them. He has no ability to connect. Even W could connect with people.

      He sounded comfortable in Fat Rat because these were people he had been selling to all of his life. There's no way we can tell if he believes what he said because he doesn't seem to believe anything at all.

      The GOP is the party of mammon. They mock what Jesus taught.

      by freelunch on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:10:53 AM PDT

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  •  Thanks Laura (3+ / 0-)
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    dmhlt 66, wonderful world, jakewaters

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 01:34:49 PM PDT

  •  Mitt promised to protect the safety net. (11+ / 0-)

    I'm sooooo relieved.  I was afraid he actually might fall for the Democratic idea of taxing "Capital Gains" at the same level as real wages.

    Long live the safety net for the .0001%

    "We must hang together,...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately."

    by GreatDane on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 01:40:45 PM PDT

  •  so after the first debate... (4+ / 0-)

    is when the Obama team breaks out the Mitt is a flip flopper ads?

    As a nation, the U.S. consumes the most hot dogs per capita. So you'd be wise to never underestimate our powers of denial.

    by jbou on Thu Sep 20, 2012 at 01:43:34 PM PDT

  •  We know that Mitt has (5+ / 0-)

    utter contempt for the "47%."  Between he and Ann, we also know they have more moderate contempt for 52% more Americans, including those who have less integrity than Ann's horse's hoof.

    I have to say, even as a lifelong liberal, I want to know what the eff is on that flag pin he wears.  My Dad served in the Navy in WWII.  My Uncle Skeets (Mother's brother) died saving his men in the Battle of the Bulge (he was 20).  I honestly do honor our flag.  

    I might sound like a bagger on this issue -- but what the hell is marring our flag on that asshole's lapel?  And where was that pin made?

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 06:43:43 AM PDT

  •  Interesting that the President is leading Romney (5+ / 0-)

    by 43% in the latest NBC/Marist national poll on the question of "who best connects with regular people" and this was mostly before the 47% gaffe.

    This video just is the exclamation mark to the fact that Romney is simply out of his element as a national politician.

    Perhaps he could run for president of the Chamber of Commerce in the future. This seems like a more natural fit.

  •  when confronted he lies and manipulates (3+ / 0-)

    It is so sick and sad.

  •  Sweat Shops with armed guards (5+ / 0-)

    In a quote that was highlighted relatively briefly he said something about the working conditions in a Chinese factory he was considering buying and how terrible they were and that they had armed guards. He thought they were to keep people in but was told they were to keep them out because people wanted to get in their for jobs. Instead of expressing concern about the atrocious conditions in China he indicated that American workers should be happy they don't have to live like.

    This should receive much more attention and I suspect it will at least on the grass roots level.

    Corporate oligarchies don't have to compete any more but workers do and this is what they have to compete with and if Romney gets his way it will be more like that here. Obama does a better job pretending to be better but he is also in the pockets of the corporations profiting from this virtual slave labor driving down American wages too.

    •  Transcript excerpt (6+ / 0-)

      I checked the quote for what they cited it is the following:

      'And I remember going to—sorry just to bore you with stories—but I was, when I was back in my private equity days, we went to China to buy a factory there, employed about 20,000 people, and they were almost all young women between the ages of about 18 and 22 or 23. They were saving for potentially becoming married, and they worked in these huge factories, they made various small appliances, and as we were walking through this facility, seeing them work, the number of hours they worked per day, the pittance they earned, living in dormitories with little bathrooms at the end with maybe ten rooms. And the rooms, they had 12 girls per room, three bunk beds on top of each other. You've seen them.'

      Audience member: 'Oh, yeah.'

      'Romney: And around this factory was a fence, a huge fence with barbed wire, and guard towers. And we said, "Gosh, I can't believe that you, you know, you keep these girls in." They said, "No, no, no—this is to keep other people from coming in. Because people want so badly to come work in this factory that we have to keep them out, or they'll just come in here and start working and try and get compensated. So, we—this is to keep people out." And they said, "Actually, Chinese New Year, is the girls go home, sometimes they decide they've saved enough money and they don't come back to the factory." And he said, "And so on the weekend after Chinese New Year, there'll be a line of people hundreds long outside the factory, hoping that some girls haven't come back and they can come to the factory....'

      •  And he bought that bullshit story? (2+ / 0-)
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        sethtriggs, jakewaters

        You can tell from the tape that he was happy to be told this nonsense because it meant he didn't have to give the workers another thought.

        Romney doesn't like thinking about the people he exploits any more than he has to...as he has shown repeatedly right here in the States.

        A weapon that is also a treasure is certain to be used.

        by wonderful world on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:23:16 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Of Course They Bought It (2+ / 0-)
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          jakewaters, wonderful world

          And if it wasn't for meddlesome big government and all those pesky regulations they'd be doing the same thing here.

          “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

          by RoIn on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:30:49 AM PDT

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    •  That factory is a metaphor for America! (5+ / 0-)

      We're a big sweatshop of exploitation that nevertheless has to erect walls, physical and otherwise, to keep out people whose current levels of exploitation exceed even out own.

      Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

      by Rich in PA on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:08:56 AM PDT

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  •  The man has no center (5+ / 0-)

    He will say what he thinks his audience wants to hear. As a result he will say or DO anything. I mean showing up with a fake tan for a Latino forum? I would ask, who does that? But Mitt does!

    The Spice must Flow!

    by Texdude50 on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 06:45:44 AM PDT

  •  My brain can't handle it. (5+ / 0-)

    I just can't fathom voting for a man who says completely different things to people who give him more than I make in a year.

    I love that afterward he doubled down on it. But only once it came out a few months later. So why weren't you saying these exact things about us, the Chinese and the Middle East for all of us to hear? You expect me to believe you wanted us to know that?

    I can't fathom voting for someone who consistently says "Oh, I'll tell you my actual plan after I win". That is horrifying to me. If Obama was pulling that I'd be scared as hell too.

    And then for his supporters to make excuses for it! What are you voting for then? Do you even know? Apparently just not Obama,  considering Romney has been on both sides of the fence on almost any issue his supporters care about.

    The anti-Obama sentiment is apparently so strong in this country that they could put a piece of wet bread as his competition and the thing would still get half the vote. I can understand not liking Obama, but at least I know where he stands on things.

    That's what will be good when Obama inevitably wins -- they'll realize that their main platform, destroying what Democrats are trying to do, isn't what most of this county wants. And considering that, I'm not sure how the GOP can continue to be viable in its current form.

    •  He gave his campaign staff bonuses more than (0+ / 0-)

      many of the 47% leeches he so loathes make in a year.

      Yo, where are our blue dog buddies when they should be out rousing up their cracker constituents that Mittens loathes them too?

      "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

      by jakewaters on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 08:04:42 AM PDT

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  •  Let them eat cake...... (4+ / 0-)

    I cannot understand those who cannot see through his lies. It is absurd to think anyone knows this fool.
    Ann says we are so lucky that he is going to stoop low enough to run the country for us and we should be grateful for THEM.

    I say we chop her prize horse up and feed the poor with it.

  •  I believe Mitt reveals his true inner-self here... (11+ / 0-)

    Romney_Sympathy-Card_NOT-Sorry-For-Your-Loss

    Don't tell me what you value. Show me your budget, and I'll tell you what you value. ~ Joe Biden

    by dmhlt 66 on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 06:46:50 AM PDT

  •  I think you hit the nail on the head.... (8+ / 0-)

    In public, Nitwitt is a cardboard mess, he really can.not.connect.with. ordinary.people.  

    Now, when I see him around his own, he is comfortable and relatively articulate.  This is very telling of his character.  Coddled from birth.

    Thanks for all you do Laura :-)

    "A weed is a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered." Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by Yo Bubba on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 06:47:26 AM PDT

  •  Ooh, that's gonna smart (1+ / 0-)
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    wonderful world

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 06:53:19 AM PDT

  •  There is no Mitt Romney (2+ / 0-)
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    wonderful world, wblynch

    Not here.  Not there.

  •  His body language, facial ticks, and odd phrasing (3+ / 0-)
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    wonderful world, jakewaters, wblynch

    All scream LAIR.  Jon Stewart had a clip of Romney attempting to "clarify" his remarks and the BS meter went to 11.

    I remember reading somewhere that liars very typically are short on specifics when lying which means that all of the GOP talk about jobs and the economy is bullshit, but Romney is the worst I have ever seen — ever.

  •  Everyone is more comfortable among their (3+ / 0-)

    own circle.

    Romney's circle is the greedy rich.

    Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

    by blue aardvark on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 06:59:40 AM PDT

  •  Even my kids (4+ / 0-)

    Find him creepy and stiff.  They say he reminds them of Metroman from Megaminds...."And I love YOU, random citizen"

    I'm a Kennedy Catholic.

    by EquiStar on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:09:26 AM PDT

  •  Lying in the job interview. (4+ / 0-)

    It has, since the days of the first Neanderthals applying for the job of apprentice grunt-person, been a sound business practice to hold a job applicant to a requirement of being honest during a job interview.  If the job applicant lied during that interview, and the lie was summarily discovered at any future point after an employment relationship had commenced, that employee was subject to immediate termination for cause.  If that lie was discovered prior to the applicant being offered employment, that applicant was no longer considered for the job --- again, for cause.

    Each and every campaign appearance by Willard Romney and, likewise, each and every single campaign statement delivered by Willard Romney, constitutes a job interview before the People of these United States.

    The bare-bones fact is that Willard Romney has repeatedly lied to a potential employer --- being, in this case, the American electorate --- and as such, should be summarily dismissed from further consideration for the position of POTUS.

    Furthermore, those who continue to support this most dishonest of individuals should likewise themselves be considered unworthy of our continued patronage as regards their products and/or services.  If a business owner chooses to legitimize the dishonesty of Mr. Romney, then I cannot in good conscience believe that this same said businessman would not legitimize an equal level of dishonesty toward me --- and taking the whole of my to-date business conducted with that particular individual elsewhere is wholly justifiable, for cause.

    I count even the single grain of sand to be a higher life-form than the likes of Sarah Palin and her odious ilk.

    by Liberal Panzer on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:11:36 AM PDT

  •  A man who "likes to fire" people can't then... (2+ / 0-)
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    wonderful world, sethtriggs

    claim any sincere regard for what happens to people who have been fired, or laid off, or who can't get a job.  He can't convincingly pretend that he cares if they or their families have food, health care, or housing.  

    In fact, he's just proven that he doesn't care, not one bit.

    What he is totally freaked out about is his worry that "those people" might somehow by trying get a nickle or dime from him and his millionaire/billionaire tax dodging cronies.  

    The fact that both Romney's and Ryan's families got government help in their times of need is something that Romney apparently thinks they deserved, because...well because, they're better than you, me, and the rest of "those people", for Pete's sake.  

     

  •  Hope the campaign is monitoring the Front Page (2+ / 0-)
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    wonderful world, jakewaters

    They haven't appeared to need much help, but this is good stuff.

  •  And God Bless 50% of America (0+ / 0-)

    is how Romney is ending his  speeches.  Or so I have heard.

  •  That safety net (0+ / 0-)

    requires like less than zero redistribution.

    VULTURE/VOUCHER 2012. FUCK YOU, MIDDLE CLASS!

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:24:07 AM PDT

  •  Mittens Zelig (0+ / 0-)

    “I believe all Southern liberals come from the same starting point--race. Once you figure out they are lying to you about race, you start to question everything.” ― Molly Ivins

    by RoIn on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:26:19 AM PDT

  •  Mitt saws away at the 'safety net' (2+ / 0-)
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    GOPGO2H3LL, jakewaters

    while claiming to be repairing it.

    All he needs is a big black mustache to twirl while he ties Grandma to the railroad tracks.

    A weapon that is also a treasure is certain to be used.

    by wonderful world on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:28:09 AM PDT

  •  here's a thought: (1+ / 0-)
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    wblynch

    mitt says the 47% will never vote for him because his "cut taxes" position doesn't help someone who doesn't pay them

    why wouldn't a voter in the 47% vote for mitt because of his awesome positions on a host of other issues, most importantly, jobs and the economy?

    Colorado has a much higher GDP than Utah because it is culturally superior

    by memofromturner on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:28:17 AM PDT

  •  Rightfully (1+ / 0-)
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    jakewaters

    He always uses the word rightfully for things like these as if it is an open debate whether they should exist. Sadly there is a debate and his party is the one that is forcing it. If he was sincere he would say our government provides a safety net . . .

    Stop the war against the poor.

    by Dave the pro on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 07:42:08 AM PDT

    •  He should rightfully retire to the Caymans where (0+ / 0-)

      he can bask in his Bainfully unemployed lifestyle.

      We can, most leftfully,  send his smacked ass  on the way there November 6th.

      "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

      by jakewaters on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 08:11:31 AM PDT

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  •  and now Ann adds to the sincerity gap (0+ / 0-)

    --the "hard" theme of republicans is curious.  i'm thinking of GWB and his "presidentin' is hard work" as i think of Ann's new one about just running for president.
    talk about lazy rich people.  jeesh.

    Give me back my democracy. 50% + 1

    by stagemom on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 08:13:23 AM PDT

  •  Giving Romney too much credit here (2+ / 0-)
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    milton333, wblynch

    Just because he's among his own it doesn't mean he isn't lying. His words to the donors at the fundraiser indict them as much as him. Like everywhere else he goes, he's telling them what they want to hear: "You are the good people. THOSE people are no good. You got where you are because you're just better people. You deserve everything you've got."

    The only difference in this case is Romney doesn't come off as artificial when he's buttering up his rich pals. No doubt it's not his first time.

  •  Right on, sister (0+ / 0-)

    Really not much more to say . . except that you could reasonably infer Romney being really like that well before the video surfaced

    Not much more to him, really

    An empty head is not really empty; it is stuffed with rubbish. Hence the difficulty of forcing anything into an empty head. -- Eric Hoffer

    by MichiganChet on Fri Sep 21, 2012 at 08:50:51 AM PDT

  •  That little votive candle in the foreground (0+ / 0-)

    is the spirit of a good Democrat, burning brightly.

  •  Listening to lord bishop Romney (0+ / 0-)

    and his duchess is like dropping into an episode of Downton Abbey.  These two prove that there are people still who think they are lords and ladies.  Their visceral disdain for the people is real and alone disqualifies him from ever being president.  

  •  Romney is the Gaffing-Stock of American Politics (0+ / 0-)

    He's a gaffe a minute, that guy.

    He's GHAO (Gaffing his ass off)

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