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You want to know one of the many reasons why Mitt Romney is losing? Look at this:
Mitt Romney intensified his own rhetoric on Tuesday and called President Obama's recent comments about small business "insulting to every entrepreneur, every innovator in America."
And this:
Just a word to the women entrepreneurs out there. If we become, if we become president and vice president we want to speak to you, we want to help you. Women in this country are more likely to start businesses than men. Women need our help.
And this, from his convention speech:
Fourth, to assure every entrepreneur and every job creator that their investments in America will not vanish as have those in Greece, we will cut the deficit and put America on track to a balanced budget.
Indeed, the GOP's whole convention revolved around "you didn't build that," although they helpfully made Pres. Barack Obama's point by morphing that into "We built it!"—exactly the point Obama was making before his comments were sliced and spliced to mean something entirely different.

So is Romney wise to focus so intensely on entrepreneurs. First of all, are there even enough entrepreneurs to give Romney a significant electoral boost? There are about a billion ways to define the word, as this article explains. They range from 27 million small businesses, to 6 million small businesses with employees, to less than two million small businesses with employees that have been around less than five years. And you can keep getting more restrictive than that if you'd like.

Put another way, is a taxi driver or chiropractor or yoga instructor an entrepreneur the same way that Steve Jobs and Sam Walton were? Of course not. So the word itself suffers from vagueness.

But let's use the more expansive definition anyway, as I assume that most self-employed people fancy themselves entrepreneurs. I could be wrong, but let's assume that for argument's sake. If you've started a business, whether it's a dentist's office, or a consultancy, or an eBay or Etsy shop, or Facebook, then you're an entrepreneur. And 27 million of them is a significant number.

Still, that's less than 10 percent of the American population, less than the 37 million African Americans in the country, or the the 50 million Latinos.

(Continue reading below the fold.)

But aside from the numbers, Romney's bigger problems with this demo is that he hasn't provided anything that would actually make their jobs easier. I'm an entrepreneur and a proud one. In addition to starting Daily Kos (which now employs 22), I also rounded up a bunch of friends to start SB Nation (now Vox Media). That company has raised tens of millions of dollars in venture capital and has nearly 200 employees.

So I can say, from personal experience, that I have never felt over-shackled by government regulation. True, I don't want to drill for natural gas in your backyard or bet your life savings in some financial ponzi scheme, I don't have to worry about poisoning you with my cooking or choking your kid with a small toy, but other than the occasional hassle like getting an extra document signed and notarized, I haven't had to sweat government interference.

On the other hand, there is one serious stumbling block to entrepreneurship—one that almost kept me from devoting my full-time attention to this site (not to mention my other company):

But take two people, both of whom independently came up with the same idea for that super duper new widget. One lives in the US, the other in Denmark. Which one gives up his/her job to start a new company? The American or the Dane? My guess is the Dane will, precisely because the Dane, unlike the American, retains a safety net. The Dane doesn't give up health insurance for herself or her family, and has more social programs she can rely on if the new business fails.
Yup, there are more Danish entrepreneurs than American ones. More Canadians too. And there's no doubt that health care is a roadblock to entrepreneurship.

My wife was three months pregnant with our first son when I quit my day job and its excellent benefits plan to focus on Daily Kos full time. We didn't have a lot of cash the year after when I put our entire life savings into SB Nation. Had either effort failed, I shudder to think what might've happened. I rolled the dice and everything worked out, but it was a terrifying experience, and one that might've never happened if I was even a tiny bit less risk averse, or if my (nesting-mode) wife had been less tolerant of the risks we took.

Had we had single-payer healthcare, the decisions I made would've been no-brainers, and far less risky.

Looking at Romney's solutions for the entrepreneurs he fetishizes, nothing addresses the problems most of them face. He wants to roll back what gains we've made on health care, his tax cut plan doesn't help the vast majority of small business owners, the "government regulation" canard is just that—canard.

Thus, every time Romney talks about entrepreneurs, he basically tells the other 90+percent of the country that he's focused on someone else. And even that relatively small pool of entrepreneurs isn't hearing anything that would make them think, "Hey, this guy will help my efforts." Putting my partisan hat aside and putting on my capitalist one—there's not a single said Romney has said that would make it easier for me to keep growing my businesses.

It would be like Romney wasting time talking to Latinos, when all he's done is opposed the DREAM Act and advocated for "self-deportation."

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    •  They showed how they support the 1% over the 99%! (18+ / 0-)

      "This country will not be a good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a good place for all of us to live in."  -Theodore Roosevelt

      Condemned To Repeat It blog


      •  I don't want to join Mitt's 1 percent club! (3+ / 0-)
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        It's not that i object to money and i don't object to the relative affluence we currently enjoy, but i don't even want the "rich" label."

        It is the notion of becoming a parasite on the nation and civilization that is repulsive. Great wealth as some genuine entrepreneurs does not automatically imply great evil. I don't like Windows, but i do have some regard for Gates attempt to do somthing positive with his. And, like warren buffett, Gates believes in a fairer tax system.

        Sadly, there are more of the Romney jerks among the 1 percent than good guys. There's never enough there for them.

        •  You can be rich without being (7+ / 0-)

          a parasite -- look at folks like Carnegie who started libraries with his wealth, or Bill Hewlett or David Packard who started foundations that have founded many worthy projects that help others.

          I call it being 1% in wealth but not being 1% in attitude; remembering those who are less fortunate and doing what you can to give them a leg up.

          Not sure I'd want to be in Romney-category wealth, but I'd like to have enough money to buy a nice house (or condo, since neither my spouse or I have a green thumb), help my mother-in-law and brother-in-law with their needs, travel, and be able to help others without wondering if I can squeeze it in the budget (for example, a small endowment to help fund the Community Quilt Project has been in my mind when the lottery hits the level where I pick up a ticket).

          "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

          by Cali Scribe on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:38:53 AM PDT

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    •  YUP, something that my husband (4+ / 0-)
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      and I are looking at.  He has 24 years in but also now has RA, we are looking at becoming part of the downsizing.  I'm tired of the DOD lifestyle, I think we should go entrepreneur and that sure would have made it easier.

      If we had healthcare for all, imagine the people who might decide to take a job risk working for us vs. trying to slog it out for that one GS job on post here that will take care of them when they get sick and protects them from being immediately fired for daring to get sick.

  •  By repealing Obamacare (44+ / 0-)

    By repealing Obamacare he essentially undermines entrepreneurship in this country as it limits people with pre-existing conditions from being able to purchase their own healthcare and thus take the risk that entrepreneurship requires.

    Stop the war against the poor.

    by Dave the pro on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:04:17 AM PDT

  •  Romney is losing with small business owners. (22+ / 0-)

    And I think that chaps his hide.

    Corporations are driven by the bottom line, not by concerns for health, safety or the environment. This is why we need government regulations.

    by the dogs sockpuppet on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:08:13 AM PDT

    •  ........... (14+ / 0-)
      More evidence that the roof is caving in on Mitt Romney came today from a poll of small business owners conducted by George Washington University School of Political Management, which found Obama leading Romney, 47%-39%.

      Not only is Obama leading Romney, but the George Washington University poll also found that small business owners thought President Obama was more supportive of them than Mitt Romney by 39%-31% margin, with 28% undecided.

      6,415 small business owners were asked what their single most important issue was in their choice for president. Forty percent of them responded the economy and jobs. Fourteen percent listed corruption/honesty/ethics in government, six percent responded social/moral issues, and five percent said it was beating Romney/supporting Obama/electing Democrats. Obamacare, beating Obama/electing Romney/supporting Republicans, and the budget deficit all tied at 5%. Two staples of the Romney campaign, taxes was mentioned by 3%, and government regulation was not mentioned at all. The three most important issues to small business owners were unemployment and the job market (26%), the federal budget deficit (16%), and healthcare costs (10%).

      "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and me?" - Don Van Vliet

      by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:53:06 AM PDT

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      •  WOw! (4+ / 0-)

        Mittens will go postal with this news.  

        I predict Mittens will say god had deemed it that Mittens will be the president and religious leader of all religious groups with the exception of Islam and those of use that don't believe in his crazy god.

        And not only is Obama a Kenyan born Islamist but.....psst...did you notice he is Black and we have a black man in the WHITEhouse.

        Psst!!!......Willard let us see your income taxes.

        by wbishop3 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:07:03 AM PDT

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      •  I'm surprised that 16% of respondents (5+ / 0-)

        considered the federal budget deficit to be important to them.  What do small businesses have to gain by the federal government dealing with the deficit right now?  

        I'm a small business owner who does business with other small business owners, and we all agree that the most important thing the federal government could do is focus on job creation so that our prospective customers could afford to buy our products and services.  Bringing down the federal deficit before bringing down unemployment is a recipe for less demand, not more.

        It's the lack of demand, stupid.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:26:10 AM PDT

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  •  REpublicans think that "they" are the only people (18+ / 0-)

    out there,  that workers, Latinos, gays, non-whites, urban dwellers are "the other". The problem is that they have slived and dices their coalition into a permanent minority.

    Wait.  That is not a problem, for the rest of us, that is.

    Ultimately, the only thing that matters with respect to preserving choice is who will be nominating the next Supreme Court Justices.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:08:44 AM PDT

  •  Mitt knows this word (18+ / 0-)

    Parce qu'il parle le francais.   I don't think we will see Mitt repeating the G.W. Bush talking point that "see, the French don't understand this because they don't have a word for 'entremanure'" (George always did have trouble pronouncing words with more than two syllables).

    The word Mitt is even more familiar with is "entre-chopshopeur".  That would be someone who doesn't start a business, but takes an existing one, closes the plants and outsources the work to China, loads it up with debt, raids the pension fund, pays himself a bonus, and then declares bankruptcy.

  •  I can't believe you're voting for Romney. (11+ / 0-)

    You job creator.

    Seriously, thanks for sharing, and no, the fact that Mitt Romney still doesn't know how to use simple words to address 100% of the country hasn't gone unnoticed.  And saying "I'm for the 100%" isn't what I mean, obviously.  He's got zero empathy in his voice.  When he looks at a crowd at one of his rallies, all he sees is a three dimensional balance sheet with groups of values still in need of sorting.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right. I'm riding for MS in September. Please donate here if you can.

    by darthstar on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:10:09 AM PDT

  •  Yep.....Goopers in Congress are small business's (6+ / 0-)

    best friends. How do I know?.......BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME SO!

  •  The rest of the women entrepreneurs quote: (15+ / 0-)
    I want to make sure we help entrepreneurs and innovators, I want to speak to the women of America who have dreams who begin businesses in their homes who begin businesses out in the marketplace who are working in various enterprises and companies, I want you to be successful. Our campaign is about making it easier for entrepreneurs, women and men, to start businesses, to grow businesses  we will champion small business because we know that’s where our jobs come.
    With that kind of detailed plan I am very surprised that he isn't getting every woman's vote.

    Most of the people taking a hard line against us are firmly convinced that they are the last defenders of civilization... The last stronghold of mother, God, home and apple pie and they're full of shit! David Crosby, Journey Thru the Past.

    by Mike S on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:15:04 AM PDT

  •  Romney lists USA a foreign country in 2011 returns (4+ / 0-)
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  •  Romney wants a large "we" crowd till Nov 6 (5+ / 0-)
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       Then he'll drop you like a hot rock.

  •  Romney thinks the goal of every Americans want to (22+ / 0-)

    own businesses. No they don't.

    Some ppl dont mind being employees.

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:19:20 AM PDT

    •  Ownership is the antithesis of owership. (0+ / 0-)

      Owing implies obligation and obligation implies knowing what other people want and self-centered people can't handle that. They do not know. They cannot put themselves in another person's shoes.
      It's a defect -- some link missing in the brain.

      We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

      by hannah on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:51:12 AM PDT

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    •  some of us don't have the choice (6+ / 0-)

      It takes a certain type to be an entrepreneur: not just a person with a high risk tolerance, but also passionate to the point of single-mindedness and able to function without imposed structure ... traits which our society is piss-poor at cultivating.  I am none of those things, so employment is the only path open to me, regardless of what other options might be available on paper.  As far as I'm concerned, anyone who tells me to start my own business is either smugly ripping on me knowing full well I can't and won't, or just mindlessly parroting some magic words they heard.

      To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

      by Visceral on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:52:01 AM PDT

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    •  90% of all small businesses fail in first 2 years (1+ / 0-)
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      According to the United States’ Small Business Administration (SBA), approximately 90% of all small enterprises fail within the first two years of operation, primarily because many entrepreneurs lack the basic knowledge and experience in handling the challenges of their company in its initial stages.
    •  I took a workshop that pointed this out (0+ / 0-)

      Some people are born with this personality.  If they weren't we couldn't be a tribe that functions.  They are your best employees, they should be prized so they can continue to give you their optimum and everyone wins.  In today's America they are exploited, bled dry, beaten down, bled dead, and the rich market them a martyr syndrome via wordsmith Luntz and some buy it and that's sad!

  •  Wait a sec (24+ / 0-)

    Romney tells "entrepreneurs" that they built their businesses by themselves, but then says this to them:

    Just a word to the women entrepreneurs out there. If we become, if we become president and vice president we want to speak to you, we want to help you. Women in this country are more likely to start businesses than men. Women need our help.
    If they're building their businesses on their own, why would they need his help?

    Or does he just mean the little ladies women?

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:20:14 AM PDT

    •  Wait! Those are terrifying words! (8+ / 0-)


      ... If we become, if we become president and vice president we want to speak to you, we want to help you.
      "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"
      Just sayin'

      “No, Mitt, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they love, they cry, they dance, they live and they die. Learn the difference.”-- Elizabeth Warren

      by Positronicus on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:53:07 AM PDT

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      •  We can never embarrass and humiliate (8+ / 0-)

        these people enough. To hell with artificial "civility". I want to see them bawling their heads off, yelling "MOMMY!" at the top of their voices and BEGGING us to stop, and thus playing defense for a change. I want to emotionally regress them to a pre-verbal state of development where they can't do any more harm to the rest of us. These people belong in straightjackets, not business suits.

        I'm serious. When we're done with them it should no longer be socially acceptable to spout any of this crap in public, any more than it now is to use certain words or display swastikas. They can whine to each other in private all they want. But they need to become marginalized in public. Hell yeah I want to "censor" them!

        "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

        by kovie on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:05:14 AM PDT

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  •  if you applied the 250K rule to entrepreneurs, (8+ / 0-)

    or small businesses that Romney refers to, you're talking about the top 3 percent of all small businesses.

  •  There are a lot of people with fantasies (7+ / 0-)

    of being entrepreneurs who will never do anything about it except watch "The Shark Tank" or will start a small business, run it badly, spend too much on their lifestyle, fail and need someone to blame.  I don't think there are enough of them to win Romney the White House, though.

    Light is seen through a small hole.

    by houyhnhnm on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:21:18 AM PDT

    •  Then there are those who start a small business (16+ / 0-)

      and have it destroyed by competition from corporations like Walmart -- corporations and their owners who donate to the super pacs supporting Romney and the GOP.

      •  Walmart has put many a small business (6+ / 0-)

        out of business - so many that they are seen as enemies of the community in many places.

        An illusion can never be destroyed directly... SK.

        by Thomas Twinnings on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:00:21 AM PDT

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        •  Yes, and those small businesses never get tax (3+ / 0-)
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          abatements, rights of eminent domain, etc., all the the taxpayer subsidies that the corps get.  The wingers have effectively crushed the anti-trust laws and cheer on rapaciousness, and they're in the process of trying to do the same thing with the US government.  

          As long as US money and resources leave the country in the myriad ways that they do via military spending, foreign investment, offshoring jobs and bank accounts, etc., we are starving our own economy, especially starving the small business folks, and they are beginning to know it.  Grocers in affluent areas around our city are now competing for customers using...Obama's food stamps.  The expansion into affluent areas is telling.

          Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

          by judyms9 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:20:44 AM PDT

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    •  Part Of Romney's Disconnect... (4+ / 0-) that for people in his world, failure is 1)unlikely becuse of connections and Too Big To Fail status or 2) no big deal: they just land their golden parachutes, perhaps endure a few snickers and verbal jabs from That Jerk at the yacht club, and move on.

      When someone has that internalized idea of what being an "entrepreneur" is like, how can he explain why so many people don't jump at the chance? Why, they must be lazy layabouts!

      On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

      by stevemb on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:54:51 AM PDT

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    •  then there are those who fail while doing it right (3+ / 0-)
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      Starting a business is expensive even if you do everything right, if only because you need to stay afloat long enough to get noticed and actually do business.  You need to buy stuff to sell, you need to pay rent for a place to sell it, you might need to buy advertising, and so on.  Depending on your business plan, it might not be something you could do on the side while you hold onto your breadwinning job.  Even when you get going, if you don't want the business to take over your life, you have to pay people to do the stuff you don't want to waste your own time on, which you'll also do if you want to grow.  If you've risked real money, it may not be possible to crawl back.

      Starting businesses is for rich people who can lose heaps of money and just sit back and wait until next quarter for their other investments to make it all back for them.

      To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

      by Visceral on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:04:39 AM PDT

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  •  Will Startship let him use "We Built This City" in (2+ / 0-)
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    ads and campaign appearances?  It would be appropriate in so many ways (except for the "on rock 'n' roll" part.)

    Pro-Occupy Democratic Candidate for California State Senate, District 29 & Occupy OC Civic Liaison.

    "I love this goddamn country, and we're going to take it back." -- Saul Alinsky

    by Seneca Doane on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:21:24 AM PDT

  •  We drink from wells we did not dig (20+ / 0-)

    The photograph (young folk holding up signs claiming they built the country) ranks up there with the photograph of the old limited government Tea Bagger with the sign  "Hands off my Medicare."  

    Even back in the day, when the first books of the Bible were written, it was well known every generation owes to society, to many who came before them.

    "We drink from wells we did not dig; we are warmed by fires we did not kindle." (Deut. 6.11)

    Boy are the photographed folk zealously clueless.

    •  where will they park . . . (5+ / 0-)

      One of the first questions any "small businessperson" has to ask, whether that business is a restaurant, a furnature store or a nail salon, is how will my customers get to me . . . and the first presumption is (almost always) that they will drive, so there has to be somewhere to park.

      Who built the roads?  Who built the cars?  Who drew the maps, or built the GPS system that guides them?

      And then there's "advertising" and "will I take credit cards" and "where will my supplies come from" and "who protects me from thieves" and "where will I (and my employees) live" . . .

      They (Republicans) think they live in a vacuum, and the only reason their heads don't explode is that there's a vacuum on the inside too . . .

      Fake Left, Drive Right . . . not my idea of a Democrat . . .

      by Deward Hastings on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:55:22 AM PDT

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    •  Or they are paid to hold the signs. (1+ / 0-)
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      Snotty Brown - 2012

      by kitebro on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 11:10:09 AM PDT

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  •  Fetishizing entrepreneurs - (19+ / 0-)

    Outstanding and insightful post, Kos.  As a lawyer  I represent many entrepreneurs and, while many of them are Republican (some think they did build that), all of the them are capitalists.  They are concerned about customers, business and demand.  The fact that there might be some red tape out there is meaningless compared to making the economy grow.  And, you are absolutely right, as a voting bloc they're relatively small and fractured.  The cabbie doesn't consider himself in the same boat as the MBA who just raised $10,000,000 in first round capital.

    This also shows the warped mentality of needing a CEO President, something Digby regularly rails against.  Most Americans do not aspire to be entrepreneurs and they are certainly not looking at government to tell them how to be an entrepreneur. A government that meets basic needs (like health care) is essential to the entire populace thriving.  The individual citizen can take it from there whether they are a sole proprietor, an employee, a single mom, a manager, a student, a retiree or anyone else who is part of the fabric of our society.  The president has to speak all of those people and not all of them are thinking about launching a business or owning one.

    •  Silicon Valley has this fetish, big time (2+ / 0-)
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      Just as in Hollywood everyone aspires to be "in the industry," in Silicon Valley it seems everyone has a dream of being CEO.

      What people really want, of course, is to be a billionaire CEO, but very few are ever going to get there. They might as well just buy a lottery ticket. They are far more likely to be in one of the startups that winds up turning off the lights, selling off the furniture and unplugging the website.

      I guess it's admirable to roll the dice and try to make a go of it as a business, but we shouldn't pretend that is the only way to contribute to society, and be a success.

      •  they want the lifestyle, not the money or the job (3+ / 0-)
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        What's the point of being rich if you have to work 70 hours a week at some stressful job?  People want the lavish lifestyle they associate with wealth ... or at least the freedom to go and to do what they want without having to worry about money.  But they could care less about actually being a CEO; if anything, that's a step in the wrong direction as far as they're concerned ...  like walking all the way around the world just to go next door.

        To those who say the New Deal didn't work: WWII was also government spending

        by Visceral on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:11:35 AM PDT

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        •  I don't think most entrepreneurs under-estimate (1+ / 0-)
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          the work it takes. And it is a lot of work. But IMO those who actually do get to the top of a large company are addicted to the power, not just the money or the lifestyle. They like being in charge, hiring and firing, making deals, beating their competitors. Otherwise, as you say, why show up at the office, and keep doing the work, when you've made enough for most any lifestyle you might want?


    •  Obviously we cannot ALL be entrepreneurs. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      An illusion can never be destroyed directly... SK.

      by Thomas Twinnings on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:02:12 AM PDT

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  •  And why does he keep speaking French (4+ / 0-) an American audience?

    (Although to be fair, the French don't even have a word for "entrepreneur.")

    America, we can do better than this...

    by Randomfactor on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:22:50 AM PDT

  •  solo practitioner /= entrepeneur (2+ / 0-)
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    at least I don't view my self that way

  •  Overly Complex Analysis (2+ / 0-)
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    Economist Rich Burkhauser of Cornell says income declined for just about everyone and — surprisingly — at a faster rate overall than it did in 2008, when the recession was in full swing. Burkhauser says the main reason is a big decline in the workforce.

    "The number of males who are working has fallen by over 3 million workers since 2007, and last year it fell by another 650,000. So that's very disturbing," he says.


    THREE million males; and a chunk of those are white males.

    as I've pointed out before-- this Recession is different; typically in a recession_white_ males are the last fired and the first hired when the upturn kicks in-- but that is happening much slower this time-- and numerous men are never getting back into the workforce.

    I have to wonder just who they are voting for? 500,000 p***ed of men in OH will make a difference.

    "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:32:28 AM PDT

  •  Oh Kos, you have no idea what it takes (8+ / 0-)

    to be an entrepreneur! Start your own business and hire employees and THEN you can talk abou......wait. Never mind.

    "Who is John Galt?" A two dimensional character in a third rate novel.

    by Inventor on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:33:04 AM PDT

  •  Mitt needs entrepreneurs (12+ / 0-)

    He needs people to start companies that his ilk can later raid and disembowel.

    •  Yup. That's Mitt's kind of R and D, raid and (1+ / 0-)
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      Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

      by judyms9 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:27:38 AM PDT

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  •  He's not talking about small businesses, he's (4+ / 0-)
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    talking about "small businesses" -- the ones his cadre of 1%ers run as tax writeoffs.

    Progressive Candidate Obama (now - Nov 6, 2012)
    Bipartisan Obama returns (Nov 7, 2012)

    by The Dead Man on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:36:52 AM PDT

  •  I've been trying to be an (8+ / 0-)

    entrepreneur all my life. As a matter of fact I'm trying to get my first patent right now. And I'm in my 40's. It's very tough. All the while I have to work a regular job and provide for my family.

    I used to make fun of Obama for expanding the patent offices to increase business, but now I understand. If you go to the patent website it really is helpful to getting started.

    Bear in mind, I wanted to create products for society. Which is an entirely different proposition than merely buying businesses to downsize and fire people for profit. That's not entrepreneurship, that just fucking predatory and sadistic.

    No Jesus, Know Peace

    by plok on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:37:29 AM PDT

    •  There were articles here (2+ / 0-)
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      when Obama expanded the patent office here in Silicon Valley, but I don't remember seeing anything in the national press; if Romney brings up the "entrepreneur" stuff in the debates Obama should make sure to stress pension office expansion.

      "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

      by Cali Scribe on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:46:59 AM PDT

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  •  Why Would Small Biz Women Need Gov't Help? (8+ / 0-)
    [W]e want to help you. Women in this country are more likely to start businesses than men. Women need our help.
    Don't small businesses build everything themselves?  Government shouldn't be helping them because then they just become dependent on government - you know, just like in the real world where 47% of us live.

    Mitt needs to keep his story straight, unless . . . oh right, there is no straight story here.

  •  See, the Big Boys... (6+ / 0-)

    I own Apple products-I also use Linux and Unbuntu , but I am primarily Apple. WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT ? It is a disclaimer.

    See, liberals love to uplift Steve jobs, a man who , in South East Asia and China is as loved and as hated as Sam Walton. When Jobs died I was in Thailand and a few days after his death the Bangkok Post did an Op Ed about him- and not the good stuff. They spoke about his operating system and how it was 'stolen' from Xerox and how he used Ronald Reagan to bully small business vendors in Japan, Thailand and Korea to stop using it. At the time there were no laws about technology and Jobs forged ahead with just as much disdain for the little guy as his chief competitor .
    What is my point , you ask. Well I am asking the same thing. I think it is CEO's are all CEO's and the ART of public relations defines the perception of them. I mean seriously, Gates acts as if donating all his money forgives his war profiteering. Maybe it does if related properly.
    What I would like to see is some regulations and Obama talking about regulations. Regulations help the small guy. Starbucks is and has killed the small coffee shop. Exxon and Chevron will kill the EPA if BP hasn't already.
    I think most of all I am angry-angry that Mitt Romney is even a consideration. I am angry that no one is talking about regulations to reign in ANY industry or even pursuing truth. The BP spill is STILL COMING UP on the shores, and with the correct amount of commercials it is ignored by all-yes, even the 'liberal' MSNBC. Liberal, what a joke. Their parent companies are currently making far more money from Afghanistan and Iraq than Haliburton or Black Water ever did. But I have digressed.
    if Obama would just come out in a sensible way for the little guy in business by saying the evil word regulation I WOULD BE PROUD. Christ, if he forced congress or the DOJ to ask BP about the explosion in the Caspian Sea and prosecute the executives of that company for murder and lying to congress I would be happier.
    I think my point, if I have one, is Romney is for the big guy and he will kill off the little guy - now, Obama has to set the record straight and DEMAND and show how those demands will be met that the little guy has a shot.
    Nothing will ever get me to vote for Romney, but Obama must show that there is a difference between the parties on things other than pitiful wedge issues

    you can't remain neutral on a moving train

    by rmfcjr on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:39:26 AM PDT

  •  he's just sore that small business owners (3+ / 0-)
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    have gone over to Obama in all the latest polling.

    I saw that as the end of his campaign, and I think Mitt has seen the same thing.  He's got to get those people back, or he's absolutely sunk.

    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:43:22 AM PDT

  •  romney-ryan are full of crap (4+ / 0-)

    they only want to talk to u if a check to their campaign is forthcoming.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:43:32 AM PDT

  •  MTP: Joe Scarboro stomped Bay Bachanan (3+ / 0-)
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    he stopped the whole show and said that Margaret Thatcher, a shopkeeper's daughter, would have never said the 47% meme in a million years.

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up ! ! !

    by Churchill on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:45:05 AM PDT

  •  Willard Romney was a corporate raider. (3+ / 0-)
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    Corporations are generally formed by acquiring and consolidating innovative enterprises in order to create a monopoly situation with a virtually risk-free income stream. If Willard wants to suggests that by breaking corporations into pieces and destroying American industrial enterprise he was paving the way for individuals to pick themselves up, dust themselves off and start over, then perhaps he's got a point.
    Hitler managed to get Germany destroyed in a couple of years to the point where everything had to be rebuilt and rebuild it the Germans did. But, it's my guess, if they had it to do over, they would have dispensed with the wholesale destruction and the loss of a significant portion of people in the prime of life.
    Willard and his friends tout "creative destruction." What they leave out is that they aim to destroy and hope someone creative comes along to build it all back up.  They're like reckless boys at the beach knocking down the sand-castles other people built. The excuse, that the tide will take it in due course, does not salve the spirit of people whose work has been wantonly destroyed.

    And that is the main problem with Willard and his ilk. Their destruction is wanton, like the vandals who rode across the central Asian plains to savage everything in their way. Willard's modus operandi mainly differs in that his vandalism is more symbolic, involving money. But, the end result for the victims is the same. Their work and life's accomplishments are destroyed in the name of making Willard rich.

    We organize governments to provide benefits and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:45:36 AM PDT

  •  WE BUILT IT! (6+ / 0-)
    "Women need our help."

    There is nothing more exciting than the truth. - Richard P. Feynman

    by pastol on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:46:28 AM PDT

  •  Even Steve Jobs didn't build it all (9+ / 0-)

    I just finished reading Steve Jobs by Walter Isaacson (a great book btw) and here's what Steve Jobs says in own words in the final chapter:

    From Steve Jobs, p 570

        “What drove me?  I think most creative people want to express appreciation for being able to take advantage of the work that’s done by others before us.  I didn’t invent the language or mathematics I use.   I make little of my own food, none of my own clothes.  Everything I do depends upon other members of our species and the shoulders we stand on.  And a lot of us want to contribute something back to our species and to add something to the flow.  It’s about trying to express something in the only way that most of us know how –because we can’t write Bob Dylan songs or Tom Stoppard plays.  We try to use the talents we do have to express our deep feelings, to show our appreciation of all the contributions that came before us, and to add something to that flow.  That’s what has driven me.

  •  Financial parasites on the modern economy (4+ / 0-)
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    Romney is so over-simplifying what entrepreneurs do as to make the entire concept into a cartoon written on the back of a set of financial statements. Considering his extreme disregard for the truth it's really no surprise, I guess.

    Romney is simply demonstrating that he was born and raised in  a financial bubble of wealth.If you could simplify human society down to something that could be described in two or three pages on a financial statement you would end up with the kind of fantasy that Romney is trying to sell to the public.

    The US Supreme Court has by its actions and rhetoric has ceased to be legitimate. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot - over

    by Rick B on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:51:09 AM PDT

  •  Posed Non-Entrepreneur College Students in Photo (1+ / 0-)
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    Good article.

    Somewhere I read about the young people at the convention who posed with the faux homemade "we built it" signs.

    They're college students hired by the Romney campaign. Not a one of them runs a business.

    So in keeping with the theme of this article, how many small business owners run a business?

    Very, very few.

  •  My wife lost her health insurance when her COBRA (4+ / 0-)

    ended. She tried to get on an individual policy from Kaiser, where she had been insured most of her life. She was rejected for pre-existing conditions that THEY diagnosed. She was able to get on my insurance so it's a good thing I haven't been laid off... yet.

  •  Never mind... (1+ / 0-)
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    this is what he wants to talk about now, at least for today.  Every real American should also want to talk about this, at least for today...

    The religious fanatics didn't buy the republican party because it was virtuous, they bought it because it was for sale

    by nupstateny on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:53:21 AM PDT

  •  Romney's definition of a "small" business (4+ / 0-) paraphrase Scott Fitzgerald, "is different from yours and mine."

    Small is relative.  
    Private equity firms like Bain have destroyed plenty of mid to larger size businesses.  Hostess.  Friendly's.  These are what Romney - in his mind at least - thinks of as "small".
    His point of reference is large, mega corporations like Walmart, the Pharmas, Microsoft...those are big companies so by comparison everything else is small.  
    He has absolutely no perspective on what it is truly like to be in a small business.  He can't conceive of the company that has to struggle to make payroll when too many vendors invoice at the same time, or when one or two big clients are late on a payment in a given month.  He can't imagine what it's like for the pizza place owner who has to shut down for three days when a town water main bursts...and what those three days do to his bottom line.  He doesn't understand how so many wish to God they could provide healthcare for their employees but  can barely make the payments on their own personal insurance policies.
    Romney sees these setbacks/issues as failures on the part of the business owner.  Not realities of day to day life.

    "When a man tells you that he got rich through hard work, ask him: 'Whose?' Don Marquis

    by hopesprings on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:54:31 AM PDT

  •  At best Mitt is at the far RW end of sort of (1+ / 0-)
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    moderate on some issues GOP who should regard Reagan as a RINO since he raised taxes 17 times.

    Mitt is not skillful enough to find the balance of pleasing his highly propagandized and mislead base (The basest base around) and not scareing independent voters with intact thought processes.  As thick and fast as the errors are happening since he stepped on the RNC the weekend before with a birther joke, you have to remember that the best predictor of future performance is past performance.  I gotta admit I did not see Tandering coming.  That had all hte hallmarks of a RNC fake attack like Swiftboating.  This incredulity was quickly replaced by the realization that I could never underestimate this guy.  He keeps inventing new ways to shoot himself in the foot.  Obama is right that he shoots before he aims, but he always manages to hit one foot or the other.  I await his next move with bated breath.

    Never promote men who seek after a state-established religion; it is spiritual tyranny--the worst of despotism. It is turnpiking the way to heaven by human law, in order to establish ministerial gates to collect toll. John Leland

    by J Edward on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:54:54 AM PDT

  •  I've been an entrepreneur since 1974. (8+ / 0-)

    Let's see. That's...38 years.
    Talking to friends, I just say I've never had a job, although everyone's my boss.
    I've had as many as 28 employees, mostly, for the longest period, eight. Now, it's just me, with a few contractors. I work every day, maybe take Thanksgiving and Christmas off. Maybe my birthday. It's what I do.
    I never felt government imposed on me, rather, my primary focus has always been retaining business and acquiring new business. I'm in Michigan, so saving the auto industry basically saved manufacturing for the most part in this state, which indirectly saved my little business.
    It's probably redundant to site members, but President Obama has walked the walk. I think I have the credentials to say Romney is just talking rhetoric.

  •  I think the DNC (2+ / 0-)
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    should get in the business of stream lining product patents (attorney assistance) for a piece of the product. This is the world we're living in, right? I, as straight ticket Dem, would participate.

    No Jesus, Know Peace

    by plok on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 08:56:31 AM PDT

    •  Bush laid off a large percentage of staff (2+ / 0-)
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      who worked in the US Patent Office.  Obama has expanded staff.  A new Patent office is starting up in Detroit.  But there is a huge backlog of applications to be researched and addressed.  Obama needs to point out his business-friendly accomplishments during the debates, pointing out that patents add to and build companies rather than raiding and destroying and leaving the needs of the resultant wreckage of the employees' lives on the backs of other taxpayers in the form of unemployment benefits and pension backstopping.

      Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

      by judyms9 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:40:52 AM PDT

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  •  I couldn't name one small business owner in our (4+ / 0-)
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    area who supports Romney.  We're aware of the fact that the Obama stimulus kept many of us in business.  I've made sure that our employees understand there's no way we could have continued to "build it" without some help from the government.  In other words, when Mitt & the GOP call conscientious, hard working Americans "moochers," our employees, many of whom are veterans, know right away he's talking about US.  And we don't like it one damn bit.

  •  The Campaign theme Du Jour (2+ / 0-)
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    Like the Chef trying to make something impressive
    with all the Leftovers in the Fridge.

    Can't tell any of the Customers the Real Ingredients.

    It's the "Chef Surprise".  Find out what's in it
    After you Buy It.

    When the Customers Refuse to Buy It, they will
    try to create something New Tomorrow.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:01:54 AM PDT

  •  Under a Mittens administration (3+ / 0-)
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    Women may have contractual and business ownership rights but no control over their own reproductive rights.

    Psst!!!......Willard let us see your income taxes.

    by wbishop3 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:03:09 AM PDT

  •  Capitalist hat. Cool ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... lose the monocle, though.

    I prefer peace. But if trouble must come, let it come in my time, so that my children can live in peace. - Thomas Paine

    by ManOutOfTime on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:11:03 AM PDT

  •  Help entrepreneurs with tax cuts? (3+ / 0-)
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    The only solution of any substance that Romney has proposed is the haggard tax cut meme. As an entrepreneur, I can say I don't care what the tax rate is. I make zero decisions based on what the tax rate is. Every month I have to write a big check to cover employee health care.

    i just baptized andrew breitbart into the church of islam, planned parenthood, the girl scouts and three teachers unions. - @blainecapatch

    by bobinson on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:12:16 AM PDT

  •  So, who's an entrepreneur? (5+ / 0-)

    In my view, it's someone who takes on significant risk to start a business.  Like when you take on a big second mortgage and (somehow) get a line-of-credit from a bank and quit your job to start your own business.  If there's no risk, then you're not an "entrepreneur", you're just opening up a vanity business.

    Rmoney is no entrepreneur.  No loans were necessary to go to Harvard/Yale/Whatever.  When he "started" Bain Capital, he didn't put up any funds, and he made sure he could go back to his old job at Bain Consulting if the the whole thing blew up.  I doubt he even had to worry about office space or finding employees to get started (he just raided Bain Consulting).

    What can the government do to help these entrepreneurs?  I guess it would be nice if banks were more willing to give start-ups a line-of-credit.  But hasn't that been the whole problem for the past four years?  What... does Rmoney know the secret code-word that will get the banks to start lending?  I don't know... maybe he does.

    Don't be a DON'T-DO... Be a DO-DO!

    by godwhataklutz on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:12:28 AM PDT

    •  Romney has no idea what it's like to wake up in (3+ / 0-)
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      a sweat in the middle of the night, wondering how you're going to meet payroll, or how you can convince some Fat Cat banker to lend your small business a few lousy bucks from his vault full of bailout money.  Moreover, if Romney DID wake up in the middle of the night in a sweat, it would be because the AC in his penthouse suite was set on "low cool."

      •  he does know what it's like to learn (3+ / 0-)
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        that his secret remarks have been taped by the help that he never even noticed.

        I heard a great piece on The Cycle describing how in this time of lies and Citizens United, the most powerful person in this election may have been an alert and disaffected server with a cell phone.

        by chloris creator on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:16:46 AM PDT

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    •  risk (1+ / 0-)
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      your comment reminds me of the meme that "we took the risk to start the company; therefore, we deserve the reward (profits)." so say the investors.

      but everyone takes risks all the time. If you move someplace far from home to take a job, you are betting that job lasts and you don't get stuck someplace w/no family backup. If you buy a house, you are betting that the place you live doesn't fall apart (as would happen if a major employer pulled out).

      An ambulance can only go so fast - Neil Young

      by mightymouse on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:43:30 AM PDT

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  •  when he's talking entrepreneur he thinks (2+ / 0-)
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    that's a French word for tax avoidance

  •  The Obama campaign needs to co-opt "We Built This" (1+ / 0-)
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    It's a great call and response and would get the crowd nice and worked up. Just talking about all the things we've done together as a society and the "you did this" messaging, I think that it would go over well.  It would suck the energy (whatever is left) out of the Romney campaign.

  •  One thing I've never heard a business founder say: (2+ / 0-)
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    "Boy, I almost decided not to go ahead with my idea, because of all those government rules I'd have to follow."

    All your vote are belong to us.

    by Harkov311 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:25:04 AM PDT

  •  As if. (4+ / 0-)

    Madame is a self-employed contractor, providing highly valuable niche skills and expertise to a variety of biotech firms all over the continent. She does pretty well, financially. We flirt, in really good years, with squeaking into the upper 20%, even.

    And Mitt's appeal to her has as much chance as an ice cube in Phoenix in high summer, dropped on the street.

    And she is relatively apolitical and suffers from a jaundiced view of both sides. But Mitt's positions, campaign, and behavior drove her to make the largest political donation she's ever made. To Obama. And that was during the GOP convention.

    And she's still pissed off... and about to fund donations to some House races....

    The more our entrepreneurs know Mitt, the less they like him.

    "Be just and good." John Adams to Thomas Jefferson

    by ogre on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:27:34 AM PDT

  •  Let Mitt be Mitt! (6+ / 0-)

    Unleash the Mitt!

    Unzip the Mitt.

    Willard is still a rat. With a tiny "Mitt."

    And an uppity peroxide blonde sidekick.

    Arm yourselves! God's stepchildren are running amuck.

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:27:59 AM PDT

  •  What is the sound of a one-handed Zombie clapping? (2+ / 0-)
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    Mitt Romney's support for small business.

  •  When? (0+ / 0-)

    Are we going to quit pretending that 50% of success in business is luck?

    "The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little. " --Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by jg6544 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 09:41:33 AM PDT

  •  Democrats should capture the Entrep mantra. (2+ / 0-)
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    It is more fitting with Democratic values. It would weaken Republican rhetoric if we held this ground. We should be promoting entrep education, especially for 'blue collar'/'working-class'/union families.

    But Markos' points are excellent. E..g, a key impediment for many people is the lack of social safety net in the US, especially health care.

  •  Hate to break it to Mitt, but small entrepreneurs (6+ / 0-)

    are so fucking busy they haven't even seen a single campaign commercial. Forget about time to have a dressage horse and run for president every year. They work 80 hours a week to eke by.

    My wife lost her job and insurance when she was 6 months pregnant (we ended up coughing up $10 Grand out of pocket to pay for the delivery) and started her own business during the worst economic downturn in 70 years and she now employs FOUR PEOPLE  and had her small biz taxes raised by Rick Snyder so Rick could give a tax break to the Big Guys and guess what? My wife STILL THINKS MITT ROMNEY is a jackass.

  •  Forget about "We built it" (3+ / 0-)
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    When it's all over and done with, the Romney crowd is going to have to say "We bungled it."

  •  Well said Markos. I've actually started the proces (2+ / 0-)
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    Of setting up a subsidiary of our business in Canada. Why? Because at the time we started the process, we were planning to expand. Health care costs would have made it impossible to operate profitably. And unsustainable in the long term.

    I'm still not 100% sure the ACA as it is today changes that for us, so I have to think about the future of myself and my business.

    Those are the facts.
    Mitt Romney has never run a business in his life.

    For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

    by mdmslle on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:03:51 AM PDT

  •  So entrepeneurs "build it themselves" BUT (3+ / 0-)
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    female entrepeneurs need government help.

    Women in this country are more likely to start businesses than men. Women need our help.
    Poor Rmoney, sooooooo confused.

    The sh*t those people [republicans] say just makes me weep for humanity! - Woody Harrelson

    by SoCalSal on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:06:58 AM PDT

  •  Mitt, of course doesn't mean what he says about (2+ / 0-)
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    budding entrepreneurs.
    He doesn't mean that some hopeful young person who wants to succeed in business with an idea would be helped by a Mittens administration.
    Because Mitt is a Cheney type guy. Remember the secret fund raiser/hootenanny in Wyoming?

    When I think of Cheney and budding entrepreneurs, I somehow can't help but think of Nick Berg, the Jewish businessman who went to Iraq and was held by the U.S. military for a time and then released and captured and beheaded:

    The CIA claimed that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi personally beheaded Berg.

    What I have always wondered was whether the Bush administration preached "opportunity" for American business in Iraq but had the opportunity to protect a free lance American business person but threw him to the wolves because he was free lance which was seen as a thorn in the side of the Halliburton "bidness" contracts.

    Finally people have gotten sick and tired of being had and taken for idiots. Mikhail Gorbachev

    by eve on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:07:22 AM PDT

  •  I've been curious (1+ / 0-)
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    since Bush touted the number of women who started new businesses during his administration: does the number of small businesses started by women include Mary Kay, Tupperware, Pampered Chef, etc. representatives? (I'm honestly asking. I'm not trying to make a point disguised as a question.)

  •  What I don't understand (3+ / 0-)
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    ... is who is supposed to work at all these new companies if we are all entrepreneurs?  I'm guessing these brilliant entrepreneurs can handle big thinking but also HR and marketing and IT and the boring clerical stuff.  

    It seems ironic that on the one hand they slavish praise on the job creators but then turn on the hate for the job holders.

    •  Yes, we are left to drone on, aren't we? I do the (1+ / 0-)
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      dishes every day while watching our bees and their lesson that while there's a queen, there'll be no honey without them.  The labor of the drones is key.

      Romney went to France instead of serving in our military, got rich chop-shopping US businesses and eliminating US jobs, off-shored his money in the Cayman Islands, and now tells us to "Believe in America."

      by judyms9 on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 10:50:28 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  hypothesizing an "entrepreneur class" canard (0+ / 0-)
    Looking at Romney's solutions for the entrepreneurs he fetishizes, nothing addresses the problems most of them face. He wants to roll back what gains we've made on health care, his tax cut plan doesn't help the vast majority of small business owners, the "government regulation" canard is just that—canard.

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 12:01:07 PM PDT

    •  That's just another phrase for wage slavery (0+ / 0-)

      The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

      by a2nite on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 01:20:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  that sounds like a song lyric (0+ / 0-)
        "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"

        yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

        by annieli on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 01:48:27 PM PDT

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  •  hey, I was one of those 27 million small business (0+ / 0-)

    I worked as an after school tutor for a public library.  I was hired on as an independent contractor, made poverty wages, no benefits.  It felt strange to file taxes as a business.

  •  95% of wingnut presidential campaigns... (0+ / 0-) in the first year, you know.

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Sun Sep 23, 2012 at 01:46:37 PM PDT

  •  also college (0+ / 0-)

    don't forget about college. Paying $50K a year is a big lift for anyone (and makes it hard to justify going out on your own when you know you are sentencing your kids to a lifetime of debt).

    It doesn't have to be this way and is not in much of the world.  We should invest in our kids and not burden them by expanding federal aid, lowering interest rates and more.

    Romney and the GOPs answer? Reduce aid and make student loans more expensive. More debt and less money for families. Also, less entrepreneurs.

    It keeps me up at night and from going out on my own...

  •  SB Nation (0+ / 0-)

    Holy crap!  You helped start that?  Cool.

    Thanks.  I dig it a lot.

  •  Lack of national health care system is indeed... (0+ / 0-)

    ...a big stumbling block.  I'm self-employed but don't really consider myself an entrepreneur.  I do I.T. work on a contract basis but with one insignificant exception a few years ago all of my work is for one company.  I have no employees.  My wife is in a job with no benefits so we're paying over $1500/month for COBRA coverage FOR JUST THE TWO OF US!  We've been on COBRA for a year so she's under pressure to find another job with benefits relatively soon since it's unlikely I could land a job that pays anywhere near what I make now (working at home with no commute, no less!).

  •  They don't believe in entrepreneurship. (0+ / 0-)

    They believe in plutocracy.

    They believe in big subsidies for established companies, like oil companies and agribusiness, and nothing for alternative energy or organic farming start-ups.

    The case against Assange debunked:

    by expatjourno on Mon Sep 24, 2012 at 12:32:14 PM PDT

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