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The National Football League's scab officials are so bad, they've made union-busting Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker a supporter of union workers:

After catching a few hours of sleep, the #Packers game is still just as painful. #Returntherealrefs
@GovWalker via HootSuite
Republican National Committee communications director Sean Spicer is another unlikely union supporter, at least when it comes to the locked out referees:
Seriously give the refs what they want -- these replacements are horrible
@seanspicer via Twitter for BlackBerry®
And Paul Ryan:
Paul Ryan on packers game: "give me a break! it is time to get the real refs."
@samsteinhp via TweetDeck
New Jersey state Senate President Stephen Sweeney says he's introducing legislation prohibiting professional sports from being played in the state with replacement officials:
“This past weekend in the NFL has not only made a mockery of a great sport, but shined a very bright light on how important fully trained and professional officiating is to player safety,” said Sweeney. “We wouldn’t allow a factory or construction site to operate without fully trained supervisors on hand to ensure the safety of employees. Why should we do anything differently when the job site is a playing field?”
Sweeney, a Democrat, worked with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie to screw that state's public workers, so while his support for union workers isn't as newfound as Walker or Spicer's, it's also a bit of a turn-around.

Marcy Wheeler writes, of the people suddenly discovering that they value union workers, after all:

But consider: this is the same kind of fight on which the same union busters were on the other side, just weeks ago, on the Chicago Teachers strike. There, experienced teachers were–and still are–at risk of being replaced by inexperienced workers with no control over educational conditions captive to the profit-seeking motives of a bunch of capitalists. And yet on that fight, so many liberals (to say nothing of Scott Walker and Rahm Emanuel) cheered on busting the union with cheap replacements. Perhaps because we don’t get to see how inexperienced teachers struggle to manage a classroom–just as scab refs struggle to manage a game–the effects of the union-busting are applauded, not jeered.
Decades and millions of dollars have gone into the campaign to make Americans believe that union workers are useless, overpaid, and greedy. One lockout isn't overthrowing all that. But it does turn out that when we see it in action, experience matters. Workers who nobody thought all that much of until they were gone start to look astonishingly good in retrospect when you see what the alternatives are. Now if more people would just realize that maybe the same thing applies off the football field, too.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 08:27 AM PDT.

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  •  Way to go Scott Walker!! (7+ / 0-)

    I in no way mean that satirically considering the fact that you are in reality an anti-uion asshole.  No really I think you are an awesome Packers fan and not a idiotic politican trying to gain popular support by clinging to the home squadron.

  •  if the call had gone in favor of the Packers... (17+ / 0-)

    he would be all for the scabs...what a hypocritical, narcissistic, a$$.


    We are not broke, we are being robbed.

    by Glen The Plumber on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 08:42:48 AM PDT

  •  Wondering when a couple things would happen (5+ / 0-)

    1) A state legislature would place requirements on officials to have some level of certification or experience to block most of the scabs, and

    2) Someone with an interest (a food vendor, Vegas gambling intererests) sues the NFL for damage to the product or injury

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

    by jgkojak on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 08:50:09 AM PDT

  •  It does give us an opportunity (16+ / 0-)

    to talk with football fans in daily life about the value of trained and unionized workers in a way that they might understand.

    "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

    by progressivist on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 08:59:15 AM PDT

  •  Its a little like Brownback's DMV fiasco in KS (2+ / 0-)
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    Brownback cut staff so severely and at the same time attempted to implement a new computerized system (partially at the behest of SOS Kobach for his voter I.D. bullshit) --

    http://joco913.com/...

    It is now sited as a reason by conservatives to oppose other Brownback initiatives (or at last be suspicious)--

    because, like the refs, who are messing w/the football- you also don't mess w/the automobile.

    The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. --George Orwell

    by jgkojak on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:01:16 AM PDT

  •  Unfortunately this isn't a learning experience (12+ / 0-)

    for Republicans.  They'll never make the connection that fucking over every union will have the same effect on their own -- and even if they did, they're well paid not to.

    NOW SHOWING
    Progressive Candidate Obama (now - Nov 6, 2012)
    Bipartisan Obama returns (Nov 7, 2012)

    by The Dead Man on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:01:52 AM PDT

    •  It's not that, it's that Republicans (5+ / 0-)

      are completely comfortable enduring cognitive dissonance.

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:40:03 AM PDT

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      •  And are you (0+ / 0-)

        completely comfortable that so many supposedly progressive union supporters here continue to watch the games and pay for the NFL's product despite the use of replacement workers?  

        •  I would be less comfortable (1+ / 0-)
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          if I knew of good progressives actively giving money to the NFL because they were using scabs; is it possible to be a consumer in the US by being ideologically pure? For example, I only have two choices for a landline where I live; neither corporation is what I would call a "good citizen." What am I supposed to do then? I use gasoline; I eat Ruffles potato chips on occasion. Am I bad?
          You try to offset the bad things you do by doing good; I think that 99% of us on DKos fit that profile, so I'm ok. If I heard of a DKosser crossing a picket line? Not so much, but given some circumstances, I could forgive that activity.

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 12:14:08 PM PDT

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    •  If labor movement history shows us anything, (4+ / 0-)
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      it's that unions win victories by flexing (or threatening to flex) the power of working people. The bosses have been making powerful organizing illegal or impractical for decades. We could see this lockout as a case where the owners inadvertently flexed the refs' muscle for them, and in a very public way.
      It's going to take a long time to rebuild the labor movement, or to build its successor. But it's great to be handed instances of overreach like this one every once in a while to remind us that we are powerful.

  •  Nothing like a little reality (7+ / 0-)

    to destroy ideology

    Would someone please put another dent in that dorks head and slow him down a little?~ Me, every damn day

    by Max Runk on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:02:43 AM PDT

  •  Hey, while we are at it, could we replace (10+ / 0-)

    the fake refs (regulators) on Wall Street?

    "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

    by smiley7 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:03:17 AM PDT

  •  I saw the video (0+ / 0-)

    recently posted on the front page, and I don't understand anything about American football. What's wrong about the referee's call? What's the big deal?

  •  Marcy wrote a wonderful column about unions (10+ / 0-)

    This Miracle Brought to You by America's Unions when Sullenberger's plane landed in the Hudson.  

    They’re calling it a miracle–the successful landing of a US Airways jet in the Hudson and subsequent rescue of all 155 passengers. They’re detailing the heroism of all involved, starting with the pilot and including cabin crew, ferry crews, and first responders. What they’re not telling you is that just about every single one of these heros is a union member.

    "Cuz nothing says respect for human life better than guaranteeing that everybody with five synapses to rub together has access to 100-round magazines." Meteor Blades

    by sailmaker on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:03:35 AM PDT

  •  Tweets can be deleted or blamed on nonpaid intern (1+ / 0-)
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    D in Northern Virginia

    I'll be impressed when video of them saying this is available.

    The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

    by JML9999 on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:03:48 AM PDT

  •  Where have you gone, Ed Hochuli? (2+ / 0-)
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    The Republican brand: "Consequences, schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich"

    by D in Northern Virginia on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:04:26 AM PDT

  •  "Self-awareness" is a foreign concept to wingers (1+ / 0-)
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    These "pro-union" comments are living testament to that fact.

    •  Definitely a lack of it here (0+ / 0-)

      with all the supposed progressives here who are obviously watching the games and continuing to support the NFL with their money, whether it be through television, game tickets, merchandise, or gambling.  Or all of them.

  •  Scott Walker is now pro-union (9+ / 0-)

    Because it personally affected him.  He doesn't care that a union keeps an auto worker well paid and safe, or a steel worker from subpar working conditions, he ONLY cares when it changes his world personally.  

    This Ayn Rand selfishness garbage is un-American.  It's always been un-American.  Even in the depths of the cold war, even in the Cincinnati RedLEGS era where one of the oldest baseball teams in the major leagues couldn't call themselves the REDS, there was a generalized acceptance that we are a SOCIETY.  We aren't just 300 million individual silos of personal accomplishment.  

    Scott Walker only now cares about unions because he sees what it means to him personally.  He'll never see that about the factory worker who dies or loses an arm due to the negligence of his employers and the lack of protection a union provides.  He'll never see the 75 year old retiree who worked for 50 years so he can go back to work at Wal-Mart to supplement his income.  He'll never have to be touched by that.  He has no qualms about fucking over those guys because they'll never award a football game to the Seattle Seahawks.  

  •  This is stupidity and it is not important (3+ / 0-)

    Love how a stupid game is what motivates some of these living jokes to go into action, when there are about 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 more important, significant and life-impacting issues that politicians could be spending their limited time and effort addressing.

    This is not worth one second of time in the public sphere, and I would like the one minute I spent typing this rant back please, but I know I'll never get it.

  •  Shorter response (1+ / 0-)
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    D in Northern Virginia

    "FOOOOOT-BAAAALLLLL!!!!

    oh, and

    Beeeeerrrr!!!"

  •  The sports and entertainment unions are the most (0+ / 0-)

    powerful in the country. Whe  was the last time the LOST a strike?

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:09:12 AM PDT

  •  I wonder how long an SEC offensive coordinator (1+ / 0-)
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    who was as incompetent and destructive as a republican politican would last.

    Seriously, I thought about this all the time during th Bush years.

    Wondering if all those southern voters who laughed off the Bush catastrophe would stand for 1/1000th that nonsense from their football teams.

    Pathetic.

  •  Sweeney (1+ / 0-)
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    MrJersey

    Pfffffft...

  •  $tadiums vs. students? Monopoly wins. eom (2+ / 0-)
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    politicalceci, TheDuckManCometh

    De fund + de bunk = de EXIT--->>>>>

    by Neon Mama on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:12:09 AM PDT

  •  With the technology today, the refs can be (0+ / 0-)

    outsourced to Bangalore. I mean, if your x-rays and mri's can be read by radiologists in India, why not just shore up the camera coverage, and have a room full of trained cricket or "football" refs make the call. Then you can have an "avatar" (not the Hindu kind) up on the big screen doing the funny little hand signals the refs make.
    It would be BIG savings all around.

    "You can die for Freedom, you just can't exercise it"

    by shmuelman on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:12:22 AM PDT

  •  Could it be? (0+ / 0-)

    Could Ed Hochuli be the savior of American unions?

    VULTURE/VOUCHER 2012. FUCK YOU, MIDDLE CLASS!

    by GOPGO2H3LL on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:16:01 AM PDT

  •  Sport imitating life (4+ / 0-)
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    kbroers, MrJersey, schnecke21, ranton

    The right-wing union busting in the NFL is having the same impact on America’s beloved game as it has had on America and its middle class. If there is a silver lining to it all, it is that Americans are getting a good long look at the results of union busting with every game on Sunday, Monday, and Thursday night. Enjoy.

  •  I bet Scott Walker just see the error of his ways. (0+ / 0-)

    It's too late now.  Walker made a very big point of being anti-unionist.  He can't backslide now.

    Who does he want to be like?  Mitt Romney?

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:18:54 AM PDT

  •  Personally, I believe that even Ayn (1+ / 0-)
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    freaking Rand would have been a union supporter after that botched call.  Lol.

  •  End Zone Dance (1+ / 0-)
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    Andrew S

    The NFL fines its players for celebrating a touchdown because the conduct is deemed to be detrimental to the league, but it has no problem hiring scab referees that were fired from the Lingerie Football League.

  •  to Walker, unions are like zebras (0+ / 0-)
    Patriots linebacker Brandon Spikes, upset with the officiating following the Pats' loss to the Ravens, added that all up and put it into one single tweet that may cost him a few bucks. "Can someone please tell these [expletive] zebras foot locker called and they're needed Back at work !!!! #BreakingPoint"  Spikes followed that up by apparently trying to say that he wasn't actually talking about the referees. "Ref ?!?! I never said anything about the "Refs" y’all need to chill out !! #ImTru" In Spikes' defense, he didn't actually say anything about the referees specifically. But that would be the biggest coincidence in the history of coincidences if he was actually talking about zebras at Foot Locker.

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:22:47 AM PDT

  •  Rush was aghast that this was #1 on twitter (1+ / 0-)
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    "We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." ~ Grover Norquist

    by Lefty Coaster on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:23:08 AM PDT

  •  This is funny (0+ / 0-)

    to see this hypocrites from Scottie and Paula cry foul over a bad call.

  •  Does anyone else find it ironic that the same (5+ / 0-)

    people who found it easy to dismiss air traffic controllers who's professionalism is essential to air safety are just overwhelmed at the idea that a GAME might be lost because they don't have the best people officiating it.
        One can see in Scott Walkers eyes- each bisected by it's own specific plane in which no plane can successfully bisect both eyeballs without a severe anatomically impossible rotation of one of his eyeballs. This is why Walker appears perpetually unfocused.It's truly worse than the obsequious eyeof George W. Bush.

    Slow thinkers - keep right

    by Dave the Wave on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:26:33 AM PDT

  •  If only middle class union workers got (4+ / 0-)

    this kind of attention.  

    When the going gets rough, the average go conservative. --Henry Rollins

    by Beelzebud on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:26:56 AM PDT

  •  Sweeny long time union official in NJ (2+ / 0-)
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    I'm just clarifying a remark in the post about his union support being new found.

    From his official site:
    Occupation: General Organizer, International Association of Ironworkers  

    Word is that he threw the teachers under the bus in exchange for Christie giving government construction work to his union.

    That's NJ for ya.

    •  correction (2+ / 0-)
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      Should have said he threw the public workers under the bus.

    •  Yes, the George Norcross bag boy, Steve Sweeney (1+ / 0-)
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      threw NJ's public workers under the bus as a quid pro quo to have Christie do the deal to dismantle the Rutgers Camden branch of Rutgers University, the State University, and merge it into the Cooper Medical, Rowan University 2nd rate research complex that is intended to challenge the truly great research institutions centered in Philadelphia.  

      Nuckey Norcross, the corrupt South Jersey Democratic boss, is a major force in NJ politics in his alliance with Chris Christie.  It is sad to watch as they turn this state into a laughingstock of mismanagement and corruption.

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:58:32 AM PDT

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  •  Of course, no one in the media is putting 2 and 2 (3+ / 0-)
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    Together. It's outrageous that players and coaches have to deal with less trained and paid refs, but just fine that our country is doing the same to our children and our government functions. Or that in private America, people are measuring out the risk/reward of lower skilled worker when putting together our products and servicing customers. Because no one cares about the low cost plane until it falls apart in midair, but at least the job creator won't have to give the profit back once it happens.

  •  The dots are there, the R's just can't connect 'em (3+ / 0-)
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    bryduck, schnecke21, ranton

    Naturally, the opinions of these clowns are inconsistent. That's the hallmark of the R party,  They know very little, they aren't able to work with what they know, and they aren't willing to find out what they don't know.

    There are differences in levels of competence.  Competence generally comes from good training, experience, good mentoring and a desire to grow and learn.  

    This is true for most any vocation or avocation.  Teachers, trial lawyers, arbitrators, parents, firemen, computer technicians, real estate salespersons, military officers, assembly workers, tool makers, designers, etc.  

    The NFL should be the highest level for players, coaches, managers, owners and referees.  The best only get that way through experience, good mentoring and a desire to grow and learn.  (echo)

    It's disappointing that the owners' greed inflicts the poor officiating on the fans.  Most of those I consider credible to comment on the situation agree, that the incompetent officiating is dangerous and will become more-so.  And the cause is simply the greed of the owners. Even the announcers in the MNF team had difficulty biting their collective tongues.

    John Madden agrees, and observes that as big and as widely watched as NFL games are, the owners aren't likely to let integrity enter in; they'll continue the lock-out.  And it is a lock-out, not a strike.

    Which brings up another inconsistency.  Why is it so morally unconscionable that players/workers can form a union and strike, but it's so American for owners to collectively lock-out workers?  Ans: It isn't.

    I think that Republicanism is revealing itself as a personality disorder, not so much an ideology." -- Naomi Klein

    by AllanTBG on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:32:20 AM PDT

    •  ...or form an owners" "collective" organization, (0+ / 0-)

      lobby, or association?!

      Robber Baron "ReTHUGisms": John D. Rockefeller -"The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets"; Jay Gould -"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

      by ranton on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 02:19:06 PM PDT

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  •  WOW guess I should watch a little football (0+ / 0-)

    have no idea what this whole 'ref' thing is about other then its a strike by the people who call the 'balls and strikes' in football games?

    this MUST be vital to the survival of our species because  it is the most trending thing on my twitter page, FB page and here on DK

    as someone who could barely tell you the names of my Local (NY) football teams (giants and jets, right?) I am amazed at the focus on this and how even PAUL RYAN is using it to attack the President, which is lost on people like me who don't watch any football.

    "You've got to be an optimist to be a Democrat, and a humorist to stay one" - Will Rogers

    by KnotIookin on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:32:42 AM PDT

  •  The problem is... (3+ / 0-)
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    ....more people need to choose to be football referees, obviously! Stop majoring in education, people! Clearly, football is more valuable to our lives than educating our children.

    •  Obviously, ANYONE can be a ref (teacher) who cares (1+ / 0-)
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      about players (children)and knows the game (content)!

      Robber Baron "ReTHUGisms": John D. Rockefeller -"The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets"; Jay Gould -"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

      by ranton on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 02:23:47 PM PDT

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  •  a real big joke (1+ / 0-)
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    why doesn't the players association support the refs?  It's a load of crap if one union doesn't support the other.  W/O a season, the owners would have stopped this immediately.

    the fans are just as stupid.  They pay big bucks and are satisifed to go to games to see amateurs making important decisions about a bunch of prima donna crybabies making far too much money.

    The whole professional sports scene is stupid IMO. A load of opportunistic sh1t.   The entire cast of players deserve each other and that's an undeniable truth.

  •  I'm curious about the difference (0+ / 0-)

    Between private unions (the refs) and public unions (what rightwingers claim Walker was "only" trying to bust.)

    Is there a legitimate one? I know the talking points I see is that private unions are not as corrupt as public unions, etc. To me, unions are unions, but I suspect there is some nuance and those on the right are stating that nuance the wrong way.

    •  There isn't one, ideologically (1+ / 0-)
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      speaking. And in fact, some of the public employees in my city are members of the private union that covers their jobs. It's just that governments have more control over their public employees' lives than businesses do, being that they are the lawmakers as well as the employers.

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:48:50 AM PDT

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    •  There Is No Difference - Rightwingers Are Hoping (2+ / 0-)
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      to drive a wedge between public and private sector unions. Remember Walker's "divide and conquer" statement? It's right out of the right wing playbook. The Rethugs have tried to pit taxpayers vs. the public sector unions (whose members are also taxpayers), and public sector union members vs. private sector union members. Chris Christie has also tried this in New Jersey. Private sector union members - DON'T FALL FOR THIS!! UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL!!

    •  I think the idea (1+ / 0-)
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      is that public unions are negotiating w/people that they vote into office. Private unions negotiate w/people that they have no effect over - its just our work vs your unwillingness to pay for it. For public unions, if they don't like the deal, the make efforts to get different people elected - close to what some may call extortion.

      I'm not sure its just a 'pub thing tho. I think Sweeney is in that camp - he's a private union supporter, for the public unions, a little less so (not sure I could say strongly one way or the other). And I know of private union people who do feel that way, they don't want to be put in the same boat as public unions.

      So while one can say its rightwingers hoping to create a divide, another could say its leftwingers hoping to hide it.

  •  Okay, sure, but... (2+ / 0-)
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    Here in Wisconsin, the Packers supercede politics and ideology. Please allow us this one area of agreement, this one island of peaceful accord among our citizens. All we agree on is sports, especially the Packers, and the answer to the question "Cold enough for ya?" We have to have SOMETHING to talk to each about without ending up screaming at each other. Wingnuts, tea baggers, socialists, terrorist sympathizers, union thugs, fascists. All of us are in agreement today here in the Dairy State. And that's been pretty rare over the last 18 months.

    The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

    by Korkenzieher on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:41:05 AM PDT

    •  The point is that everything is political and this (1+ / 0-)
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      example is indicative of the Republican right to work paradise that their policies would introduce.  To exempt the Packers when they are in the middle of a labor/political dispute is not fair to the workers of Wisconsin.

      And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

      by MrJersey on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:02:09 AM PDT

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      •  You're right, I know... (1+ / 0-)
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        schnecke21

        But we have to live here, and frankly, it's been exhausting to live here ever since Governor Whatshisname took over. In this single instance, I'm prepared to allow the Republicans this brief moment of cognitive dissonance in the interest of unity in the community. When it blows over, and it will sooner or later, then the knives can come back out. In the meantime, we're united in our fury, and that unity feels both unaccustomed and welcome.

        Soon, we'll go back to arguing, and we'll use the incompetence of last night's scab referees as a cautionary tale when speaking to our right-wing neighbors about union rights. For now, though, it just feels kind of wrong. It's still too soon, I guess.

        The Bush Family: 0 for 4 in Wisconsin

        by Korkenzieher on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 11:10:39 AM PDT

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  •  I know I'll get flamed for this, (0+ / 0-)

    But I really couldn't care less about a so-called "football" (hahaha) match.

    Now the blown call at the Olympics in real football -- that was disgraceful!

    I know you believe you understood what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant. -- S.I. Hayakawa

    by tapu dali on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:44:38 AM PDT

  •  Fuck Walker and Emanuel (0+ / 0-)

    Nuclear Power Plant = Dirty Bomb.

    by olo on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 09:46:19 AM PDT

  •  Unfortunately, The NFL Is A Big Money Making (1+ / 0-)
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    private sector enterprise, while the education of our children is not. Which explains why the Rethugs are so upset when inexperienced replacements (aka scabs) might cause a loss of revenue/profits to some wealthy investor. Of course, with education, then it's a different story with these hypocrites - since it's a public/non-profit enterprise, it's okay to screw over the experienced teachers and save as much money as possible to hire scabs. Just another indication of the real priorities of the Rethugs.

    •  Well...Corporatists are trying their damnedest to (1+ / 0-)
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      make the education of children "A Big Money Making private sector enterprise"!

      Robber Baron "ReTHUGisms": John D. Rockefeller -"The way to make money is to buy when blood is running in the streets"; Jay Gould -"I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half."

      by ranton on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 02:30:19 PM PDT

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  •  Import NFL refs from China (2+ / 0-)
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    Billionaire greedy NFL owners suck!

  •  Yes. How awful. (2+ / 0-)
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    Locking out seasoned professionals and leaving consumers to the tender mercies of a bunch of unproven stand-ins.

    Good thing nobody would ever try this with something really important, like say, air traffic control.

  •  The saddest part of this is it shows where (2+ / 0-)
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    America's priorities are, Football =yay yay yay, Education = ho humm, wtf.

    Just give me some truth. John Lennon--- OWS------Too Big To Fail

    by burnt out on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:07:44 AM PDT

  •  who cares? (0+ / 0-)

    Who cares??? It's just football

  •  The owners want to confiscate pensions (2+ / 0-)
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    This seems to be a constant in labor fights as well as vulture capitalist takeovers of companies -- the maneuvering by corporate honchos to take money from workers' pensions and convert people's dignified retirement into bonuses and cash payouts to themselves.  Whether through bitter give-backs in contract negotiations or through engineered bankruptcy proceedings, the plutocrat class gets away with this theft over and over again. And Congress, by and large, remains a mute bystander!

    Generally, the corporate greed-heads are all too happy to embrace the socialism of dumping looted pension funds onto the Federal government agency charged with paying pennies on the dollar that career-long workers were depending upon to keep themselves out of poverty as retired seniors.

    •  Indeed (1+ / 0-)
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      pensions were the very 1st bit of our money to be stolen by the plutocrats.  Now they want to cut and/or privatize Social Security.  I think they are like Scrooge:

      "Are there no prisons?  And the union workhouses - are they still in operation?  I help to support the establishments I have named; those who are badly off must go there."

      First Collector: "Many can't go there."

      Second Collector: "And some would rather die.  "

      "If they would rather die,'' said Scrooge, "they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."

  •  Typical Republicans... (2+ / 0-)
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    Don't give a crap until it affects them personally.

    Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

    by walk2live on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:13:15 AM PDT

  •  Some perspective (2+ / 0-)
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    Before we start ordering pizzas for the poor downtrodded referees, a little perspective is in order.

    It is false equivalency to compare NFL referees with the average union worker in either the public or private sector. For most, this is not their primary job. Ed Hochuli for example, is a partner in the Phoenix law firm Jones, Skelton & Hochuli, P.L.C. Mike Carey is the CFO of Seirus Innovation. Walt Anderson is a retired dentist. Clete Blakeman heads his own law firm...you get the idea.

    Being an NFL referee is a part-time hobby. To even call this a labor dispute disrespects all of the hard working, truly screwed union workers.

    I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

    by itsjim on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:16:17 AM PDT

  •  Packers *WUZ* Robbed (1+ / 0-)
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    By all means pay 'em and perquesite 'em and let those locked out refs into the stadia before this entire feetsball season is as f*'d up as the decision regarding the Sh!tHawks last night!

    I DETEST UNION BUSTING...

    and I think the call SUCKED.

    And I live in WA state and for 15 years lived in a town ancillary to Seattle.  Pro sports is FAR FAR too expensive for hoi polloi to afford to attend live, even the so-called "cheap seats", so it's not a matter of attachment for me... just a matter of what's fair....

    Oh, well, and lackaday.  I'm glad this came up.   It's politically relevant vis a a vis union busting.

    Carry on!

    Snce they wasted MY lifetime nullifying the Constitution in lieu of the job they were ELECTED to do, to run this country, let's DENY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY ANY MAJORITY IN EITHER HOUSE UNTIL 2052 and DENY THEM A PRESIDENT UNTIL 2044.

    by Adelante on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 10:58:00 AM PDT

  •  Unions (0+ / 0-)

    Defaming unions...

    Does this include the Obama Administration, since they have not been very good to the teachers and their unions.
    One could also comment upon African-Americans and their attitudes toward the same unions, but that would be considered too provocative.

  •  I hire subs at my school (3+ / 0-)

    and the first question I ask any potential sub is, "How much classroom experience do you have?"

    Lesson plans can be designed for a sub who doesn't have background in a particular discipline; a sub who knows the subject inside out, but has no classroom management skills is worthless.

  •  Last Touchdown of 9-24-2012 (1+ / 0-)
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    The Night Americans love for Anti-Unionism Died.I can hope can't I.

  •  Sounds like we need some (1+ / 0-)
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    mightymouse

    video footage: Footage of scab teachers in real classrooms, scab electricians working with real electricity, scab autoworkers working on the very real brake system of someone's car. Get it out there. Make it real for people.

    "YOPP!" --Horton Hears a Who

    by Reepicheep on Tue Sep 25, 2012 at 01:46:08 PM PDT

  •  Refs are right about pensions (0+ / 0-)

    As a business owner who has set up and kept on top of a decent 401k plan, I agree with the refs.  I don't see how most employees can count on 401k plans to seriously help them in retirement.  The steady growth isn't there and the amount being socked away is inadequate.  Let the acturial professionals do their job to figure out how to provide a defined benefit, rather than throwing workers into the world of mutual funds where fees and self serving salesmen eat away at whatever growth there is.  And of course we are dealing with an industry that has received huge subsidies in the form of govenrment funded stadiums and infrastructure.  Plus everybody makes a sh*t load of money in the business.  So the refs are actually holding firm, unlike most workers, for defined benefits in the future.  Good for them.  They will be rare beacons of sanity in retirment communities beset by poverty.

    •  What you say is true, but... (0+ / 0-)

      do you understand that they are holding firm because they don't actually need the money?

      I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

      by itsjim on Wed Sep 26, 2012 at 12:29:22 PM PDT

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      •  of course (0+ / 0-)

        the refs are a small group of workers who actually have the luxury of standing firm.  Most workers don't. One day without work and they begin to suffer.

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