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The National Football League referees lockout is over, and all it took was scab officiating that actually deteriorated to the point where a Las Vegas casino offered refunds on bets on Monday night's Seattle Seahawks-Green Bay Packers game. Though the members of the NFL Referees Association won't vote on the tentative deal until Friday and Saturday, they will officiate Thursday night's game between the Cleveland Browns and Baltimore Ravens. The deal, if approved, will last for eight years (that's long), and:
Tentatively, it calls for their salaries to increase from an average of $149,000 a year in 2011 to $173,000 in 2013, rising to $205,000 by 2019.

Under the proposal, the current defined benefit pension plan will remain in place for current officials through the 2016 season or until the official earns 20 years of service. The defined benefit plan will then be frozen.

Retirement benefits will be provided for new hires and for all officials beginning in 2017, through a defined contribution arrangement. The annual league contribution made on behalf of each game official will begin with an average of more than $18,000 per official and increase to more than $23,000 per official in 2019.

Beginning with the 2013 season, the NFL will have the option to hire a number of officials on a full-time basis to work year round, including on the field. The NFL also will be able to retain additional officials for training and development, and can assign those officials to work games. The number of additional officials will be determined by the league.

This involves the NFL making a significant concession on pensions. Though the officials' pensions will ultimately be frozen, NFL management wanted them gone right away. It's a concession that probably wouldn't have been made without the outrage over Monday night's game.

The real, union refs will be a major improvement over the scab refs, but their first games may be a little rusty as they've missed the opportunity the preseason usually affords to sharpen their skills. However, the officials have been preparing to come back by watching video and taking rules tests.

Now the players of the National Hockey League are the only running sports lockout as their league's owners and management go for the greed.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 05:55 AM PDT.

Also republished by The Wide World of Sports and Daily Kos.

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  •  Very good news for us football fans (18+ / 0-)

    However, as a Colts fan, I might have to wait for better players to make a difference in game outcome.

    •  Terms include a Packer victory? (11+ / 0-)

      So the community owned team takes the hit for the locked out Refs up against the greedy owners? Feels right somehow, still hurts.

       -a Packer fan and team owner

      ---------------------- Avaritia facit Bardus (greed makes you stupid)

      by Everbody on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:18:36 AM PDT

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    •  Job well done (5+ / 0-)

      The real refs owe the replacement refs a gift basket.

    •  Good news for labor for a change (5+ / 0-)

      Between Chicago teachers and this lockout, it's nice to see unions hold their own twice in high-profile disputes.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I dream of things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:45:47 AM PDT

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      •  Never good news when they sell out future members (2+ / 0-)
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        I hate to hear that the officials agreed to the oh-so-common refrain of "I've got mine, screw you", by agreeing to ditch the pension plan for future members as long as they get theirs.  Not exactly good new, in my opinion.  The whole idea of solidarity is that everyone is in the same boat and negotiate for the benefit of all.  The current members are selling out future generations with their agreement to these two tier systems.

        "When people show you who they really are, believe them." - Maya Angelou

        by Pennsylvanian on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 07:33:56 AM PDT

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      •  Please don't... (1+ / 0-)
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        LI Mike

        ...equate this to actual labor. The NFL refs are a bunch of already rich guys doing this for fun. The main sticking point was a pension that none of them need.

        This was not a labor issue to begin with. It was a case of greed on the part of some pretty rich guys v. the greed of some extremely rich guys. It was no victory for labor.

        Perhaps most interesting was how quickly this thing got settled once the integrity of the game was challenged by the gambling interests. I have believed for a long time that the main purpose of organized sports, at both the professional and college levels, is to fuel the gambling industry. Just look at the media saturation, particularly around football. All the major sports have their own TV networks whose programming consists mostly of analysis of strategy and relative strengths between competing teams. Watch the NFL network and you get a steady update on injuries and statistical analysis all designed to help people make informed gambling decisions. This stuff isn't for the casual fan, it's for people who gamble on the games, whether through countless fantasy leagues, or with bookmakers.

        I saw estimates of how much money changed hands due to the bad call Monday night ranging from $250 - $500 Million. That was just one game out of 16. That adds up to between four and eight BILLION dollars a week, which is more than the total annual revenue of the NFL. Now consider that each team plays 16 regular season games and the number grows to $64 - $128 Billion! This doesn't even account for the playoffs or Super Bowl where the dollar values really grow.

        So, this was all about maintaining the integrity of the game for the gambling interest. Without it, the NFL does not get the big TV contracts, or its own TV network. If people stop gambling on NFL games, nobody much cares about injuries, or whether the 49er's employ a Deep 2 Safety zone defense, or put 8 guys in the box.

        Sorry, this had nothing to do with labor.

        I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

        by itsjim on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 08:54:53 AM PDT

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    •  Give them a couple of seasons. They made (2+ / 0-)
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      sethtriggs, nellgwen

      so many changes this past offseason that there was no way they could be that good this year. At least they are more interesting than last year's train wreck was, with a future All Star quarterback and what looks to be a promising coaching staff. That Green Bay game on 7 October could get ugly though.

      If I don't see you, for a long while, I'll try to find you, left of the dial.

      by mithra666 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:57:06 AM PDT

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  •  Great News and MAYBE I helped??? (32+ / 0-)

    I AM the "Replacement Weather Guy".  We did this stunt on Tuesday morning and it kinda BLEW up.  It even made Sportscenter, so I think maybe I played a tiny part in ending this debacle?  If you haven't seen it yet, enjoy.
    Tipped and Recc'd for the good news.

    "What is being noticed is only an indication of what is being done." Albert Einstein 1954

    by tundraman on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:00:20 AM PDT

  •  oh too bad - gonna be really boring again :) (0+ / 0-)
  •  Last night's Daily Show had a misleading bit (14+ / 0-)

    on the NFL v. Refs situation. They portrayed it as a strike by the refs rather than as the lockout by owners that is was. The bit was okay, with Patrick Stewart subbing for John Oliver, and I know it's a comedy show, not a "real" news show. But considering how many people apparently get their news from it, I would have preferred that the bit had been based on the actual situation.

    The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

    by psnyder on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:06:18 AM PDT

  •  Republished to the Wide World of Sports! (5+ / 0-)
      If you like sports talk, please follow The Wide World of Sports, the Daily Kos group for sports enthusiasts! If you'd like to write about sports, please shoot JamesGG or Edge PA a message and you'll be added.

    "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

    by JamesGG on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:09:11 AM PDT

  •  nice part time job (3+ / 0-)
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    Since these guys work once a week for maybe 20 weeks I assume most of these guys have something else they do for work.
    Nice part time gig at 10K a game. I guess they are worth it after what we have seen in the last few weeks.

    •  You might want to do your homework ... (12+ / 0-)

      ... and consider what these guys actually have to do in order to fulfill their professional and contractual obligations, both in skill maintenance and the cost to their personal lives.

      You might also want to consider that the NFL is a nine billion dollar business of which professional refereeing is an integral part, imparting a value that an implied "they only work twenty days a year" doesn't take into account.

      Given that the owners don't seem to appreciate any of these factors even when they're forced to, perhaps they might try a mixture of homework and real-world considerations as well.

      "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

      by JBL55 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:32:51 AM PDT

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      •  This is not some cake job, either. (3+ / 0-)
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        I actually worked with someone who was also an NFL referee.  He spent DECADES doing referee work.  Lots of time for not big money.  There is a long, long curve before you can even be eligible to referee in the NFL and besides the experience, there is a lot of wear and tear on the body, travel, etc.  Plus there is significant risk of injury.  Yeah, they make a lot of money, but aside from what any armchair-referee fan thinks, the job requires expertise, experience and significant risk.

        "When people show you who they really are, believe them." - Maya Angelou

        by Pennsylvanian on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 08:14:11 AM PDT

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    •  By that logic, the players are also part-time (12+ / 0-)

      So are the coaches, the trainers, and everyone else connected with just the sport itself. I remember when the players had to take off-season jobs in order to support themselves. Why does a multi-billion dollar industry allow one of it's critical components not to be employed and trained year-round? Because they're greedy, short-sighted billionaires who want to save a few bucks. What a surprise!

      (romney)/RYAN 2012 - Look at those clouds. It's beautiful. Just look at those things!

      by Fordmandalay on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:33:36 AM PDT

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  •  What is the NHL thing? (4+ / 0-)

    I remember when there used to be some sort of weird sport played on ice skates on tv, but that moved to some obscure cable station.

    In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry, and is generally considered to have been a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy

    by boriscleto on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:10:37 AM PDT

  •  Screw Hockey (4+ / 0-)

    The NHL seems to be the most self-destructive league in existence and their ownership (including lapdog commissioner Gary Bettman) need to learn what it means to have eyes too big for your stomach.

    This head movie makes my eyes rain.

    by The Lone Apple on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:11:32 AM PDT

  •  The difference between defined benefit (10+ / 0-)

    and defined contribution is who assumes the risk of poor investment choices.

    Defined benefit: the people making the investment choices assume the risk.

    Defined contribution: the people receiving the results of the investments assume the risk.

    Romney economics: Feed our seed corn to the fattest pigs and trust them to poop out jobs.

    by blue aardvark on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:12:32 AM PDT

  •  And I'm sure $12 an hour workers everywhere, (5+ / 0-)

    the ones who can't afford to go see the games, are cheering.

    I know -- labor is labor, but it's hard for me to see this in classical labor dispute terms.  

    Much easier for me to see it on dumb capitalist terms -- akin to some companies who have outsourced things like help centers and software development, only to bring them back in-house when it didn't work out.

    The NFL looked at the refs more or less as widgets.  Take one out, put another in its place and everything is fine.  Corporations do that every day.

    Trouble is, people aren't widgets, and the folks who think they'll save a few bucks can get burned very badly in the process.  This is a great example of that dynamic.

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:12:41 AM PDT

    •  It is still a class labour issue (2+ / 0-)
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      I wish that they would stand for all the concession stands focus who are the low rungs of the middle class, but this is still hug. Anybody challenged and beating the powerful and wealthy from the middle, even the upper middle, is huge my man or lady.

      •  What class, though? (1+ / 0-)
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        Rich in PA

        These are guys making a VERY pretty penny for part time work.  

        And they have other jobs as well.

        I suspect that you would scoff at calling them middle class in any other context.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:53:59 AM PDT

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    •  But your analysis is contradictory (3+ / 0-)
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      Thestral, Quicklund, fuzzyguy

      On one hand you don't see it as a classic labor dispute, on the other you see it as an example that proves that people aren't widgets. Isn't proving that people aren't widgets the central thesis of the labor movement?

      •  A little bit, but you misunderstand the labor (1+ / 0-)
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        movement.

        It is all about collective strength replacing individual weakness, and is at it's most compelling when jobs have been designed to treat people as widgets.

        The football referees absolutely leveraged collective action to get what they wanted with a classic labor weapon, but, as the replacement refs demonstrated, they are in a far more powerful position relative to the NFL than most employees are.

        Some things are not either-or, but bits of both.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:52:43 AM PDT

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    •  Let someone help then (2+ / 0-)
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      TheLizardKing, fuzzyguy

      What is the #1 dagger in the heart of union? The perception put forth and nurtured by emplyers: union labor is the same as scab labor.

      Well, now America has seen scab labor in actiion in terms they understand well.

      The boon from this action is not the refs but the polish this puts on the image of all unions.

      •  This! (0+ / 0-)

        Any time I hear some one rage on Unions, or someone talks about tempworkers/scab workers, the NFL lockout is a labor dispute that most Americans can understand and saw first hand the difference between professionals and scabs. So when someone bitches about auto workers' unions or any other union point out the NFL and the refs. Do they want someone as incompetent at the job of building cars, teaching their kids, or wiring electricity in their kids' schools as those scab refs were at calling the Seahawks v. Greenbay game?

        I didn't think so.

        This story is a boon for improving the image of labor in this country and fighting back the republican anti-union meme that has been so prevalent since Reagan.

        •  and more... (0+ / 0-)

          we should all be using this fiasco to bolster the point that there is a difference between trained, invested workers and untrained replacements. The fact that there are so many Democrats who seem to be happy to replace (as one example) unionized teachers with untrained and inexperienced replacements should be brought up again and again.
          I was amazed at the support the Chicago teachers got in their strike, and I hope that kind of support continues for other teachers' unions across the country. Many of us are not allowed to strike, but have been taking hits from the GOP and the Democratic leadership, both of whom want to support the privatization of public money through charter schools and vouchers.
          When are those union workers going to get the same kind of public support that the referees got?

  •  Really,.... (5+ / 0-)

    ...who gives a crap?

    I know a lot of people do, but I would have preferred to have the replacement refs stay in there for at least another few weeks so I could listen to all the media windbags hyperventilate like the fucking world is coming to an end.

    I was getting a lot of enjoyment from all the phony outrage and whining from the various peanut galleries.

    Not to say that I was on the owners side. The NFL owners are basically about 30 Mitt Romneys, and they should have taken care of the refs years and years ago. They way they are treated is a disgrace.

    It's just that the idiotic spectacle of the whole charade was highly entertaining for me.

    "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

    by jkay on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:16:17 AM PDT

    •  Because it's about middle class (5+ / 0-)
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      DRo, JBL55, Thestral, BigOkie, sukeyna

      vs the powerful.

      You have to read my post and then, you would not say "who gives a crap": http://www.dailykos.com/...

    •  It's a big deal (6+ / 0-)
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      DRo, JBL55, orlbucfan, Thestral, sethtriggs, sukeyna

      there are VERY few pro-labor outcomes, let alone pro-labor outcomes that register nationally. I for one give a crap and that has nothing to do with my tertiary interest in football.

      •  I'm happy for the real refs (6+ / 0-)

        I guess I should have rephrased my comment.

        My main point should have been that almost all of the commentary coming from the "sports media" had to do with their concern about the outcome of the games as opposed to the welfare of the refs.

        I do apologize, my comment was "inelegant", I am happy for the real refs.

        But I was getting a huge kick out of the assholes on the MSM, who again really didn't highlight the cause of the refs from their standpoint, but only were upset because their precious games were being affected negatively.

        "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

        by jkay on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:34:03 AM PDT

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        •  Much more elegant: (3+ / 0-)
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          the MSM [...] again really didn't highlight the cause of the refs from their standpoint
          Yup.  Once again the MSM mis-reported the story, creating the illusion that it was a strike and not a lock-out.

          No doubt their corporate overlords were happy.

          "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

          by JBL55 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:39:47 AM PDT

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    •  I would have loved a few more weeks (2+ / 0-)
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      Thestral, Quicklund

      of watching anti-Union brainwashed people who normally view employees as disposable tools freak out as their delusions were challenged. But it would have come at the players' expense of health...

    •  if it were only about wrong penalty yardage (2+ / 0-)
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      and blown touchdown calls, and confusion about the time on the clock, I might see your point, but the fact is that the replacement refs were a danger to the players on the field. They were missing chop blocks, helmet to helmet contact, and illegal and late hits, and calling penalties where none existed. In such a pressure cooker atmosphere as tne NFL, that would only encourage more such actions. If the players thought the refs wouldn't or couldn't protect them, then they would have to take matters into there own hands and retaliate. It would be as if umpires wouldn't enforce the bean ball rules in baseball. Pretty soon it would be open season on players heads.

      Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

      by JeffSCinNY on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:37:14 AM PDT

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      •  That is debatable (0+ / 0-)

        I'm not so sure that a few more bad calls is going to exponentially increase the threat to player safety in the NFL.

        And your comparison to baseball is not completely apt.

        Baseball, if you go back a few generations, was much more "lax" as far as protecting the players in terms of written rules. Baseball has always had myriad "unwritten rules and codes of conduct", and those rules served to protect players from "beanball wars" breaking out.

        It was basically "an eye for an eye". If you hit one of my players, I'm going to hit one of yours. The rules now basically don't allow that to happen. If a player gets hit by a pitch and the ump deems it intentional, both teams get warned and the next pitcher that hits somebody gets tossed.

        I'm not saying I think the baseball rules are bad. Actually, I think they are fine. But I don't think they really changed the dynamic all that much, if at all.

        "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

        by jkay on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:53:18 AM PDT

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        •  I would agree with that, but I think that (1+ / 0-)
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          football has its own  "unwritten rules" as well, about when and how you hit, and tackle, etc. If you take a cheap shot at the QB, or kicker when they can't defend themselves you can expect retaliation. The refs (and umps) have to control the game so that the mayhem doesn't get out of hand. This is the real problem. The scab refs: a) didn't know the players, so they didnt know who to look out for, didnt' know the rules as well, and didn't have the same feel for the flow of the game so they knew where to look for infractions. Both football and baseball are controlled violence games,( think of breaking up a double play, or trying to bowl over a catcher at home) and the officials have to know how to let that play out with out becoming uncontrolled.

          Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

          by JeffSCinNY on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 07:06:51 AM PDT

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          •  Baseball... (1+ / 0-)
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            ...is not "expected" to be violent, but I will agree that there are violent aspects of it that are not so obvious to a casual observer.

            The double play "take out slide" and similar plays at home I always felt were a bit ridiculous and out of place in the context of the game.

            Is it really worth injuring a shortstop or second baseman to break up a double play? I never thought the potential tradoff made sense in the context of a baseball game.

            It always seemed stupid and somewhat contrived in order to bring a sense of "violence" into the game.

            For me, the inherent "violence" was always the pitcher/batter confrontation. That is real and unavoidable.

            For the casual observer, it's impossible to convey what it feels like for a hardball to be hurled towards you at 80 mph plus. It's unsettling, to say the least and you really need to play a lot of head games with yourself to get in that batters box.

            It's a cliche that the hardest thing to do in sports is to hit a pitched baseball. I think that cliche is accurate. I also think it takes more guts to get in that batters box than to step onto a football field, because it's virtually impossible to protect yourself against a pitched ball, helmet notwithstanding.

            "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"

            by jkay on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 07:51:46 AM PDT

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            •  I thnk your right but certainly in football there (0+ / 0-)

              is the acrobatics of the wide receivers that come close, diving after a ball knowing a cornerback or safety is hurtling in the other direction takes courage too.
              I think that other sports have violent sides that need controlling too, think off the 3 second line in basketball and all the elbowing and shoving that happens there,  and  hockey and lacrosse are in another universe completely. The point I'm trying to make is that with professional sports, with such athletes, they are attempting to be 100% focused  on catching the ball  or hitting the ball or making the basket.  They count on the officials for the
              "conduct of the game". They know they can get hurt, and that another Darryl Stingley type injury is always possible, but they know if the game is being officiated properly, that the risk can be managed. If not, then all bets are off, and it can become carnage. That is why the Player's Association sent the NFL a letter last week hinting that the player's might walk if the situation didn't change.

              Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

              by JeffSCinNY on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 08:10:06 AM PDT

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    •  I give a crap. (3+ / 0-)
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      A tremendous amount of craps.  I'll save my essay for why the NFL is a perfect embodiment of liberal values, truth, and getting stuff done for another time.  For now, today is a very good day.

      When we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.

      by genethefiend on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:59:58 AM PDT

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  •  Hey folks (6+ / 0-)

    This is bigger than sports.....The real profession refs have given the middle class the template on how to handle the owners.

    Please read for sure. Because this is a class issue, and as a person who covers this on a daily, between both sports and politics along with Dave Zirin, this means so much to us, and to you all out there, whether you love, hate, or are indifferent about sports:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    And thank you Laura.

    •  let's see if I understand the template correctly (0+ / 0-)

      1) Have such a specialized skill that literally nobody else in the world can do it correctly.

      2) Have a secure main source of income, such that it won't impact your life materially if you never get back to calling NFL games.

      3) Go up against an employer that's indisputably made of money, and with no competitors to speak of.

      OK, now everyone to the barricades!

      Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

      by Rich in PA on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 07:26:28 AM PDT

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      •  Silly arguments are kinda... silly (0+ / 0-)

        Lets break down those arguments;

        1- This describes every 'specialist' in the world, who has spent years of schooling and training to become an expert in their craft. Fighter pilot, brain surgeon, musician.

        2- NFL referees make roughly $150,000 per season. So you assume each one is working another job that pays more than that, and also allows them to devote 6 months of their time to working for the NFL.

        3- You're describing not only pro sports players, but also any employee of a giant mega-corporation. It's hopeless to fight them, so why should anyone even try?

        (romney)/RYAN 2012 - Look at those clouds. It's beautiful. Just look at those things!

        by Fordmandalay on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 08:03:07 AM PDT

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  •  now ryan & walker (4+ / 0-)

    can go back to hating unions and those that depend on unions.

  •  Just what I'd expect from professionals: (2+ / 0-)
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    The real, union refs will be a major improvement over the scab refs, but their first games may be a little rusty as they've missed the opportunity the preseason usually affords to sharpen their skills. However, the officials have been preparing to come back by watching video and taking rules tests.
    How refreshing: refs who know what they're doing!

    "The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another." ~ George Bancroft (1800-1891)

    by JBL55 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:24:24 AM PDT

  •  Once again Obama led the way (7+ / 0-)

    After he made his attitude known, Romney, Walker and Ryan were backed into a corner, Ryan and Walker in particular because Packers fans were irate. Thing of beauty.

    I'm not saying Obama caused the NFL to cave, but it's interesting to see that public outrage was sufficient to give the President cover to make a public statement. NFL owners are generally (exclusively?) on the Romney side of the equation and they may not have been able to stomach giving the President a bludgeon on top of all the other pressures they were under, which were many and widely variegated.

  •  NFL (3+ / 0-)
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    madcitysailor, genethefiend, JBL55

    So happy to see the integrity of the NFL restored.  :)

  •  woot! (2+ / 0-)
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    genethefiend, JBL55

    Go refs!  Go labor!  Go Browns!  :)

  •  Spin it any way you want but this was a win (1+ / 0-)
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    Farkletoo

    for the NFL owners.  

    Romney is George W. Bush without brains.

    by thestructureguy on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:33:17 AM PDT

  •  Excellent! Now restart the season. (2+ / 0-)
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    Quicklund, Vicky

    Disgruntled Pats fan here.

    "There are two kinds of truth, small truth and great truth. You can recognize a small truth because its opposite is a falsehood. The opposite of a great truth is another truth." -- Niels Bohr

    by paxpi on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:35:43 AM PDT

  •  timeline: (5+ / 0-)

    Day 1: Major casino offers refunds to bettors on the blown game on Sunday.  Day 2:  Lockout over!  simple.

    "I dreamed I saw Joe Hill last night..."

    by Killer on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:35:45 AM PDT

  •  Unio Refs... (1+ / 0-)
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    orlbucfan

    let's be real, the Union Refs suck every bit as much as the replacements. They just don't get the same flak from the media & coaches. They seem to enjoy a "Papal Infallibility", obvious blown calls are "controversial", and never mentioned in the stories about the games. "The scabs were easy targets is all.

    •  Seriously? (2+ / 0-)
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      JBL55, RockyMtnLib

      The replacement refs were measurably inferior.  Measurements include consistency of calls (qualitative), speed of decisions making (quantitative), and general administration and watchability.  The scab refs were not up to the job.  It's a real job.  I love the NFL because while the refs are human, they don't swing games like the NBA, and in my opinion do a better job of being neutral and consistent than the MLB.  I want lasers covering the strike zone, the home plate umpire is never as consistent as I'd like.

      When we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.

      by genethefiend on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 07:03:16 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  What exactly do you mean? (0+ / 0-)

        Regular refs have been bought/thrown games for years! Example: Jerry Markbreit vs. Tampa Bay Bucs. Bucs fans were so glad when that a-hole retired. Vegas didn't have to bribe him; he just hated the Bucs. This is a fact. His calls did cost the Bucs games; he was a head ref.

        Thanks Laura for your coverage. I'm a rabid pro-union fan as well as an NFL one. I rec'ced your diary. I normally don't do it cos you're already an FPer.

        Inner and Outer Space: the Final Frontiers.

        by orlbucfan on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 07:15:34 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Dude I'm a Bucs fan too. (0+ / 0-)

          Tampa Bay all the way.  I'll plead age and admit not getting into the Bucs until 1996.  I remember Bert Emanuel like it was yesterday.  (We still have as many rings as the Rams in my lifetime, so sck on that St. Louis). You really think the scab refs weren't a lot worse?  

          The NFL has the most fair reffing in my opinion.  The scab refs were painful to watch IMO.  I guess nothing much to do here besides agree to disagree.  Given that I have little faith in Freeman, this season was unwatchable with the scab refs.  I decided Tuesday that I couldn't watch this season.  It just made me angry, not happy like football always does.

          Baseball and basketball are more prone to bs calls IMO.  If you're a Rays fan too you remember the last game of our World Series against the Phillies.  The home plate ump squeezed the zone on Kaz so blatantly it offended my sense of decency.  There is no hope for a pitcher at that point.

          All I'm saying is the scab refs were a D-, and the real refs are better than that.

          When we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.

          by genethefiend on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 07:33:00 AM PDT

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  •  Trickle Down Does Not Work (5+ / 0-)

    The lock out of the NFL referees shows that absoulte bankruptcy of the trickle down theory of economics heralded by Reagan and being pushed by Romney-Ryan.  NFL owners are incredibly successful - they have a great product which they have managed well and they are nearing $10 billion in revenues.  Most NFL teams have received huge subsidies from government in the form of subsidized stadiums and other goodies.  And yet when they had an opportunity to screw down and take advantage of their workforce, they did.  This was a lock out to take away benefits from workers.  And in our environment the NFL would have succeeded except that the NFL referees are skilled workers whose work is essential to the industry.  When business tycoons get wealthier and more successful they get greedier and they use their power and influence to squeeze their employees.  Trickle down my ass.

    The lock out's principal issue, forcing employees to take 401ks instead of defined benefit pensions, is soon going to be a huge issue as baby boomers and the next generation who do not have their parents' pensions will find out how they were duped into the 401k/IRA world.  Most 401k's have underperformed and been the target of fee skimming by Wall Street.  They will not be "there" for the retirees in any meaningful sense, since few retirees have been able to save enough (and mostly without company matches) to realistically get income from their 401ks for much of their retirement.  Hey, not everyone socked $100 million plus into their IRA the way Romeny has.

  •  I can't wait for you guys (0+ / 0-)

    to wish for the scabs to come back.

    Everyone Chill the fuck out! I got this - unknown but credited to Barack Obama

    by natedogg265 on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 06:53:25 AM PDT

  •  Oh Goody, Now The Oceans Will (0+ / 0-)

    become clean and the five garbage continents, including the latest one just discovered, will all magically fade away.

  •  Suck a whistle, Jerry Jones (1+ / 0-)
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    orlbucfan

    When that asshole is out of the league, I will cheer. in the meantime it's good to see his plans get blown up. I'm in favor of most any development that causes loss of influence to him and his like-thinking owner cronies.

  •  Ref lockout post-mortem notes of political snark (1+ / 0-)
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    orlbucfan

    Roger Goodell is a 1 percenter who makes his living whoring for the .001 percenters, who are really out-of-control militant these days, across the board.

    Goodell's father Charles Goodell was a moderate Rockerfeller Republican US Senator from NY, appointed by Rocky after RFK was Assasinated. He was "too liberal" and lost his election bid to Conservative Party stalwart Jim Buckley, whose more famous brother was Wm. F Buckley.

    To steal a line from Atrios, we can say that NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman will be the runaway winner of the "dick measuring" contest between he, Goodell and NBA Commisioner David Stern, all of whom have staged manly lockouts before.

    If I had mad computer skills, I'd whip up some pix of erstwhile Packers' fans Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and Rep. Paul Ryan wearing  Seahawks jerseys with NO UNION buttons on the front.

    Ironically enough, the NFL supervisor guy at the game Mon was Phil Luckett, who has been the key part of other famous NFL officiating debacles when he was a referee, such as knocking a team out of the playoffs by awarding a not-even-close TD to former Jets "great" Vinny Testaverde and failing to properly assess the results of an sudden-death overtime coin flip. (the team that actually won the flip never got the ball and lost because of Luckett).

  •  Patrick Stewart as a replacement correspondent (1+ / 0-)
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    Vicky

    Patrick Stewart as a replacement correspondent on The Daily Show

    http://www.thedailyshow.com/...

  •  Now we can get Laura's obsession with these... (1+ / 0-)
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    Farkletoo

    ....very well-compensated part-time employees off the Daily Kos front page, so I'm very happy about the settlement.

    Romney '12: Berlusconi without the sex and alcohol!

    by Rich in PA on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 07:23:59 AM PDT

  •  It took one game to get folks to notice (0+ / 0-)

    how important unions are not only to the country, but to workers everywhere.

    I've learned that whenever the politicians or business owners try to bust a labor organization, it is all about money.  Workers suffer while the idle rich and their politician lackeys keep focusing on the incoming cash. Politicians and the wealthy join forces to pass laws to stifle the middle class and working poor.

    I hope that the 1 percent got to see the decline in work quality from trying to close out unionized workers. However, they won't recognize the difference because their spoiled, gated lives shield them from ever recognizing the hardship the average person goes through during these occurrences.

    "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." --Benjamin Franklin

    by politicalceci on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 07:24:22 AM PDT

  •  The problem with this is... (0+ / 0-)

    the outrage seen by usually "anti-union" folks including Republicans and Fox News in favor of the Refs getting what they wanted so they could have their football.

    These hypocrites had no problem supporting union principles for the $149,000 per year referees, but have alot of problems supporting unions for the $8/hour Walmart employee who has no sick leave, no healthcare, no pension, and is treated like shit.

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    by annrose on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 08:15:32 AM PDT

  •  Too bad the American people cannot (0+ / 0-)

    have the outrage against the Citizens United v. FEC decision and a dozen more vitally important issues as they did with this.

    This "Trickle Down" thing has turned out to be somebody pissing on my leg and tellin' me it's rainin'.

    by swtexas on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 08:42:39 AM PDT

  •  As a Chicago Bears fan and a Progressive, (0+ / 0-)

    this could not have played out any better for my selfish needs...

    Rep. Paul Ryan and Gov. Scott Walker are stepping all over each other to welcome back union labor at a raise and an upgrade in benefits, AND
    The Green Bay Packers are tied for last place in the NFC North.

    Sweet.

    skipping over damaged area

    by Says Who on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 09:25:50 AM PDT

  •  Now America can go back to ignoring labor issues (0+ / 0-)

    once again, and bitching about how awful unions are!

    VICTORY

    When the going gets rough, the average go conservative. --Henry Rollins

    by Beelzebud on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 10:33:42 AM PDT

  •  Goodell's Non-Apology (0+ / 0-)

    Hoping for a hearty and prolonged round of booing in response to this comment from Goodell today:

    ‘Obviously when you go through something like this, it’s painful for everybody,’’ Goodell said on a conference call about 12 hours after the deal was struck. ‘‘Most importantly, it’s painful for fans. We’re sorry to have to put fans through that. Sometimes you have to go through something like that in the short term for the right agreement for the long term.’
    WRONG.  The NFL did not have to do this.
  •  owners finally figured out (0+ / 0-)

    that if the games seemed so unfair that the bookies were giving refunds, people might stop betting and might stop caring and might stop watching

    "Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D."
    CALL EVERYONE YOU KNOW in OH, PA, FL, NC and TX. Make sure they have the ID they need to vote, and make sure YOU are registered and ready to vote!

    by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 10:42:49 AM PDT

  •  Oh great. Show the Bears losing to the Packers. (0+ / 0-)

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Thu Sep 27, 2012 at 04:11:22 PM PDT

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