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(In case you missed it, you can find more news on voter suppression in Wednesday's post: Midweek in the War on Voting.)

No voter-ID ruling emerged from Pennsylvania Commonwealth Court Judge Robert Simpson Friday. Citizen advocates and other observers of the disputed law that imposes the strictest voter-ID provisions in the nation had thought he might issue a decision in the case before the weekend. The law requires voters to have a state-issued driver's or non-driver's license, a passport, a military ID, a student ID or a "last-resort" ID issued by the commonwealth's department of state in order to vote. All IDs must have photos and an expiration date. Originally, the law would have only permitted state-issued and military IDs to be used at the polls.

In a mid-August ruling, Simpson chose not to issue a preliminary injunction against the law. He said at the time that foes of the law "did an excellent job of 'putting a face' to those burdened by this new requirement," but he did not "have the luxury of deciding this issue based on my sympathy for the witnesses."

The plaintiffs appealed to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. After hearing both sides, four of the six justices decided to return the case to Simpson for further review, with an emphasis on the burdens placed on voters by the law. Their message was a not-so-subtle try-again-and-make-it-snappy. They gave him until Oct. 2 to complete his review. Two of the justices, however, both Democrats, dissented. They said there was no reason to return the case to the lower court because the evidence was clear and ample that the law was onerous in its effect and should be blocked for this election year.

During two days of hearings in Judge Robert Simpson's court this week, Pennsylvanians recounted the hassles they've had in obtaining mandated photo IDs.

On Thursday, some dozen witnesses testified that they had encountered many difficulties in obtaining IDs. Witnesses complained that obstacles included multiple visits, hours-long waits, trips to other bureaucracies to acquire documentation like Social Security cards and inadequate restroom facilities for the disabled at the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation branch offices issuing IDs.

In court on Thursday, Doris Clark, 68, who uses a cane and doesn't drive, testified about her confusing and frustrating quest for ID. She recalled hours-long waits and government mistakes that forced her to make three trips to PennDOT, the state agency that issues the IDs, and two trips to the U.S. Social Security Administration, one source of the necessary documents to secure the ID.

On her third visit a PennDOT worker turned her down because her maiden name is on her birth certificate but her married name is on her Social Security documents.

After essentially making a scene at the office, she finally got her ID. But only determined citizens would take all the steps she did. Every obstacle, critics have said, persuades a few voters to throw up their hands and not bother with getting the ID they need to vote. And that was the intent of Republican-dominated legislature that passed the law on a party-line vote.

While the hearings were under way, the state made its sixth change in the law since it was passed, streamlining the process for those citizens trying to obtain a "last-resort" alternative to the PennDOT-issued non-driver's license.

An attorney for the governor's office suggested Thursday in court that an idea posited by Judge Simpson to allow citizens without ID to cast a provisional ballot would solve any problems. But Witold Walczak, one of several lawyers for the plaintiffs, said it would make matters worse.

"It will create more confusion about what is required on Election Day, who can vote, how and under what circumstances are those (provisional) ballots counted or not counted?" Walczak said afterward.

He likened Simpson's suggestion to judicial lawmaking and contended that continuing to broadcast the message that a photo ID is necessary to vote would cause people without one to stay home.

State officials say 12,000 new identity cards have been issued. Foes of the law say there may be three-quarters of a million to 1.6 million Pennsylvanians without the proper ID.

A Franklin & Marshall College Poll found 59 percent of Pennsylvanians support the voter ID law, while 39 percent oppose it.

(Read more voter suppression news below the fold.)

In other War on Voting news

  • Romney-connected firm accused of voter fraud fired by two state GOP organizations:

    The Republican Party of Florida and the Republican Party of North Carolina have fired a voter registration company owned by a paid consultant to Mitt Romney because Palm Beach County Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher had found it had turned in 106 “questionable” registration applications. But suspect forms have now been found in 10 Florida counties.

    The Florida party had paid the firm, Strategic Allied Consulting, $1.3 million in July and August, according to the Palm Beach Post. The Republican National Committee also severed ties with SAC. It has funneled $3.1 million to the firm through state organizations in Florida, Nevada, Colorado, North Carolina and Virginia, according to the Los Angeles Times.

    SAC is owned by Nathan Sproul. Over the years his operations have been accused of altering information on Democratic voter registration forms in several states. The Florida Party hired SAC "at the request of" the RNC. Sproul's firms have previously run similar voter registration efforts for the Bush-Cheney campaign in 2004, for McCain-Palin in 2008 and Romney since late last year.

    Bucher asked the state attorney’s office to review the applications “in an abundance of caution” because she said her staff had questions about similar-looking signatures, missing information and wrong addresses on the forms.
    Most of the forms contained changes in the names of real voters and signatures not spelled the same way as applicants’ names. In addition, there were phony addresses, birthdates did not match the names and the forms had no Social Security numbers.

    Said Santa Rosa County elections supervisor Ann W. Bodenstein: “It was that flagrant. In no way did they look genuine.”

  • New study on Pennsylvania ID law shows deficiencies:

    A new study based on visits to 44 Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDOT) driver's license offices found that most sites were doing a poor job of dealing with the state's new, highly restrictive voter-ID law. The law requires that Pennsylvanians have a photo ID and only a few types are accepted. For many citizens without a driver's license, a non-driver's photo ID can be obtained through PennDOT.

    But some citizens don't have the necessary documentation to get one of the non-driver's licenses. As an alternative, the commonwealth introduced a department of state voter ID in August. But volunteers for the Pennsylvania Budget and Policy Center PennDOT license centers in 35 counties had almost no information about the DOS ID. Signage was deficient or non-existent in many of the offices, and in some cases PennDOT staff steered voters away from the DOS ID and encouraged them to obtain a PennDOT ID instead. In almost 50 percent of the cases, PBPC said, staff gave out incomplete or inaccurate information to those seeking a DOS ID.

  • Renewed Florida voter purge comes under legal challenge:

    Voter advocacy organizations in Florida said Thursday that state officials had reneged on its previous promises to reduce its efforts to purge non-citizens from the voter rolls. They said the Republican-led administration was trying to intimidate voters.

    Earlier this month, voting groups had dropped a legal challenge to a state purge of voter lists after Florida election officials said they had greatly reduced the number of potentially ineligible voters due to errors on an original list.

    But on Wednesday, Department of State officials sent a new list of 198 names to county election supervisors culled from a Department of Homeland Security's database that tracks residency status.

  • Wisconsin Supreme Court chooses not to review voter ID law, for now:

    In a move that likely means Wisconsin voters will not be required by a new law to show ID at the polls in November, the state supreme court has declined to review lower court rulings that block implementation of the Republican-passed law. The court had earlier declined to take on two lower-court cases because final rulings had not been issued. This time it did so because it said it wanted to consider both cases together and the filing of briefs in one case has not yet occurred.

    The NAACP has said it won't complete its brief before the Oct. 15 deadline. Given that two weeks is typically allowed for a response by the opposing side, the high court would be hard-pressed to hear and rule on the case in time for the Nov. 6 election. "It's a terrific victory for voter rights because it means almost certainly this disenfranchising law will not be in effect for the November election," said Rich Saks, an attorney for two groups that challenged the law.

  • Foes of New Mexico voter purge say it will suppress minority turnout:

    Critics of, Diana Duran, the secretary of state of New Mexico, have accused her of being part of a nationwide effort by Republicans to discourage minority citizens from casting ballots this year by challenging their eligibility in purges of the voter rolls. Texas, Florida, Ohio and Colorado have been in the forefront of these efforts, seeking to disqualify voters they claim are ineligible or dead. But voter advocates say the lists of the potentially ineligible  are too broad and efforts disproportionately affect minority voters. State and federal courts have ordered the moves stopped in most cases.

    Duran has mailed postcards to voters to obtain their addresses. Completely legal and seemingly reasonable.

    But in New Mexico, while the postcard project is technically legal, its possible effects are anything but clear. Voting rights advocates say Duran's tactics come from a 21st century voter suppression tool kit, one in which subtlety, tenacity and knowledge of voter psychology have replaced violence, literacy tests and threats.
    It's partly the timing that has Duran's foes irked. One lawyer says some voters who receive the postcards and believe they aren't eligible to vote and shrug off the election this year. While the percentages who choose this route may be small, shaving away even a few thousand votes in swing states could have major impacts, both at the presidential level and down ticket.
  • Nashville judge upholds Tennessee's voter ID law:

    Davidson County Chancery Court Judge Carol McCoy ruled Wednesday that the state's new voter-ID law passes muster with the state constitution. An attorney for the plaintiffs argued that the law places an obstacle in the way of voting and that as many as 390,000 Tennesseans don't have a photo ID that meets the state's requirements. More than 100,000 of them are 60 years old or more. While upholding the constitutionality of the law, McCoy said she doesn't like it: "If it were left up to me, I'd strike the law down."

  • Obama Accused Of Suppressing Military Vote By Withholding Absentee Ballots:

    Talk radio host Roger Hedgecock falsely accuses Obama of trying to suppress the military vote. Bullshit charge doesn't stand up to even cursory investigation.

  • Battle For Your Ballot to raise awareness of voter suppression: The non-partisan grassroots effort kicked into action by The brpr Group will work political activists, voters and prominent individuals such as hip-hop mogul Russell Simmons to produce digital public service announcements targeted towards key battleground states. The first will be launched on Oct. 4, the day after the first presidential debate between Mitt Romney and Barack Obama.

    The series of PSAs will be hosted at Battle Ballot and distributed on Twitter at BattleBallot. The mobile website, will include state-by-state information for voters "to keep them informed as to their rights as an employee on voting day and will provide them with the list of documents they will need in order to avoid issues at the polls on Election Day."

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  • Real fraud not voters' ID, but GOP's fake solution by Eugene Robinson:
    And this, really, is the issue. The problem in this country isn't too many people voting, it's too few. We should be making it easier for people to vote, not harder, and we shouldn't be imposing requirements that have the same effect as a poll tax.
  • An excerpt from Greg Palast's brand new book Billionaires & Ballot Bandits: How to Steal an Election in 9 Easy Steps:
    Using a formula provided by the Brennan Center, we can calculate that 97,850 student voters were barred, turned away, blocked, challenged, or given provisional ballots (left uncounted) on recall Election Day in June. No US paper listed Wisconsin as a “swing” state that month. Well, it swung.

    Altogether, the 2012 changes in Wisconsin law were sufficient alone to account for the victory of Republican Governor Scott Walker in staving off that recall vote in June 2012. Walker did have the popular support of $31 million (versus $4 million raised by his Democratic opponent).

  • Proposed Minnesota voter-ID not so bad, says conservative:

    Peter J. Nelson, director of public policy and associate general counsel at the right-wing Center of the American Experiment, white-washes the potential effects of the voter-ID ballot amendment Minnesotans will vote on in November. He calls Democratic Secretary of State Mark Ritchie's concerns overblown.

  • Voter Suppression: An American Tradition by Frank Scott:
    The nation’s origin, biblically taught as a patriarchal benediction by “founding fathers”, was essentially an organization to keep wealth in their hands and see to it that their peasants, servants and slaves remained worshipful of the fathers and mindful of their lower status. Despite this, desires for real freedom and democracy persisted, with enough people fighting for them to bring about great advances in the material status of the common people. But the power relationship of rulers to ruled has not changed, even if descendants of those peasants, servants and slaves now ride cars instead of horses or rent condos instead of hovels. At least in some cases.
  • If America had compulsory voting, would Democrats win every election?:

    Perhaps half of all those without identity cards were not likely to vote anyway, says Terry Madonna of Franklin and Marshall College, a pollster and political sage. Among the rest of the population, the idea that Republicans are trying to suppress black and low-income votes has energised the Democratic base like “rocket fuel”, to quote the chairman of the state Democrats, Jim Burn. In short, the voter-ID law could end up being a net positive for the Democrats.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:00 AM PDT.

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  •  Strategic Allied Consulting, so THAT's where (18+ / 0-)

    ACORN went - ZOMG where O'Keefe when we need him!

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:05:21 AM PDT

    •  If lower court judge continues his defense of GOP (8+ / 0-)

      voter suppression law Monday, I wonder if the higher court will reverse him. All 6 judges seem rather skeptical of implementing the law.

      "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

      by TofG on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:11:05 AM PDT

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    •  It's the tyranny of the majority, evil Rs win (1+ / 0-)
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      The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

      by a2nite on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:41:28 AM PDT

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    •  The amount of support for Voter ID shows (6+ / 0-)

      how conservatives were able to successfully carpet-bomb media with the theme that it is necessary to "protect the vote" from hordes of illegal voters. And yes, the support shows an absolute reality disconnect by the public.

      Let's go back to early 2011.  That's when the real damage in the Republican state legislatures took place.  And most folks didn't know about it.  That's because legislation isn't covered by local media anymore because there are no real reporters left.

      And we lefties failed to mobilized this issue with an immediate and an appropriate response.  I mean, when the only time you only hear about voter supression is when you listen to Diane Ream, someone is losing a battle.    

      Most of the folks here watched this issue develop from the start.  Maybe all of us should have screamed a little louder while these laws were being considered.  Not after the fact.  So now we're chasing the rabbit to put him back in the cage.

      Okay, I'm done for now.

    •  The fact is that special interests own most (2+ / 0-)
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      shaharazade, Judge Moonbox

      State legislatures.  Republicans, being comfortable with being owned, are more complicit ... But the problem is one of systemic corruption, not partisan politics.  Just my opinion, of course.

      I can’t decide who’s cuter – the dead guy with the arrows in his chest, or the guy in the ditch with the seeping wound. -- Game of Thrones (Heard on Set)

      by prodigal on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:01:48 AM PDT

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    •  Imagine a liberal media's take on the issue. (1+ / 0-)
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      If there really was a liberal media, people would know the math. If a state purged 100 legitimate voters from the rolls, and 99 fraudulent voters got through, that would give the party in power an unfailr 1 vote advantage. The Republican line seems to be that 1 fraudulent voter sullies the vote more than 1000 suppressed voters.

      If there really was a liberal media, people would demand that the party that pushes so stridently for photo IDs would have to back up their efforts by getting the IDs to the eligible voters who need them.

      Of course, if the Republicans actually believed the media was as liberally biased as they always whine, they wouldn't bother to bring the issue up, knowing that said media would debunk their lies.

      Just how stupid does Mitt Romney think we are? -Paul Krugman

      by Judge Moonbox on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:13:45 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not sorry and I've got to say it (0+ / 0-)

      bunch of read-neck sorry-ass corn-fed and brain-dead hillbilly idiots!

      Take that to the bank, I'm one of the ones who live smack dab in the middle of whole hot-mess of them.


      There is nothing more exciting than the truth. - Richard P. Feynman

      by pastol on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:11:34 AM PDT

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  •  Help! Problem with Dkos group (0+ / 0-)

    Help, I recently created a group here at DKos, but today I cannot edit the description in the profile. I go to the appropriate page (group => profile => edit). I make my edits but when I save... nothing is saved.

    How can I edit the profile of the group?


  •  yes..!!..we must keep pushing the Romney (4+ / 0-)

    We are not broke, we are being robbed.

    by Glen The Plumber on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:10:47 AM PDT

  •  Ya know (4+ / 0-)

    If the people recounting these horror stories announced they were voting Republican the Rs in the legislature would drop the whole thing.

    If you have more than you need but don't have empathy you must be a republican.

    by Cecile on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:14:23 AM PDT

  •  I'll be diarying this later but I created a (11+ / 0-)

    PSA to alert people in the swing states where Strategic Alliance was operating to urge registered voters to check their status.

    You can download this PSA for free and take it to your county Supervisor of Elections or submit it to any radio station for broadcast. Stations MUST set aside time for PSAs.

    This one is in English (if anyone can help with Spanish, Haitian Creole and/or Chinese I'd appreciate that) and meets all broadcast standards and clearances.

    If you have questions or need anything additional, please message me.

    Transcript of PSA:

    Attention Democrats, Independent and Republicans. Due to a current investigation involving recent allegations that some voter registration data may have been altered, you are urged to check your registration data to make sure that your name, address and polling location are accurately recorded. It's easy to do. Go to That's or call your county supervisor of elections. Make sure your voice will be heard. Check your registration status today.

    I'll be visiting the National Association of Secretaries of State this coming week. The website is theirs. It's a nonpartisan organization where voters can check registration, locate their polling station, and keep up to date about what's required for them to vote in their state.

    In the meantime, please download the PSA and take it to your SOE of submit to radio stations for airing.


    (File specs: file is ~11 MB and 30 seconds in length in DC-quality .wav format).

    For the record, I am not a member of Courtesy Kos. Just so you know. Don't be stupid. It's election season. My patience is short.

    by mdmslle on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:15:35 AM PDT

  •  Turnout: the enemy of Republicans. Does anyone (3+ / 0-)

    in the Republican Party even wonder why when more Americans participate in voting (still at much lower rates than other democracies where voting is not mandatory) Democrats do much better?

    Sure Democrats don't have their voters as enthused as in 2008, but Democrats are in much better shape than Republicans in turnout (something about the Republican base not really liking the candidate that Grover Norquist selected for them and also being demoralized because Romney's chances are dwindling by the day).

    Nowhere is turnout a bigger problem for Republicans than here in the Commonwealth of MA, especially for Senator Brown who won in 2010 when only about 2.25 million people voted and this year there could be 3.5 million voters.  This gets compounded by the MA Republicans that are so down on Romney’s chances of winning that they will stay home.  [I love Elizabeth Warren, but I don’t like a lot of MA Democrats very much (e.g. Tierney) but as the Republicans have become so unhinged it is clear that Democrats are the lesser of 2 evils.]

    I live and vote in Massachusetts and I will work hard to get out the vote – everyone’s vote, even those that are voting for Republicans, as I believe that we are all better off when more people participate in the elections.

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:17:43 AM PDT

  •  Why hasn't? (1+ / 0-)
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    The President or any Democrat I know of spoken out about the need for a new voting rights act aimed at assuring voter non-discrimination in national elections.  What the Republicans are doing in various states is as onerous and undemocratic as almost anything done before the race-based voting rights bill passed in the 60's.  

    •  See the PA poll in the diary (1+ / 0-)
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      Pennsylvanians support the voter id act 59 to 39.

      If voting rights were acted on now at the federal level right, it would be a complete disaster.

      Unfortunately, to get people aware, state-level disasters must come first.

      On the bright side, we're going to do well in this election despite the messes. So federal action might not be that far off.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:35:05 AM PDT

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      •  I wonder how the question was phrased in the (1+ / 0-)
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        poll to get this response.  

        Pennsylvanians support the voter id act 59 to 39.

        Mother Teresa: "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other."

        by Amber6541 on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:55:55 AM PDT

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      •  I support (0+ / 0-)

        voter ID's.  But, they should not be a burden to obtain in such a way as to be discriminatory.  Take pictures if necessary at voting times.  Put burden of proof that someone is inelligible on government. Your vote counts until proven it's invalid.

  •  Shadowy California Group needs investigation (6+ / 0-)

    Focused on  a locally contested county supervisor race in June 2012 in San Luis Obispo County, California, more than 900 registration cards collected from local college students were held past the registration deadline.

    Local news reporting tied this "voter supression" effort to a conservative organization in Stockton, Ca.  (Stockton is >200 miles from SLO County).

    The student voter registration canvasser used fraudulent names, addresses and telephone numbers.  This is prima facie evidence of malicious intent.

    The canvassers are tied to a (supposed) non-profit:  'Citizens of Constitutional Government'  CCGUSA solicits canvassers to "Earn Good Money" on its log-in page.

    Despite it's claim of non-profit status (a Guidestar registration exists for 2006), no IRS 990 forms have been filed.  In June 2012, this group was active in a remote location -- so staff and expenses were likely being paid by the local Republican organization funding a voter suppression effort in the hotly-contested, richly funded County challenge.

    The real name associated with this organization is Karl Geletich III of French Camp and/or Stockton.  Evident pseudonyms  used on public documents include Brandon Torchia, Candy Willey, and Brad Fenton.

    The most recent business address of the group is a decaying market in a depressed and half-demolished block of E. Miner in Stockton.

    No clear line of communication exists between Nathan Sproul's shell groups and the Geletich organization.  This may indicate that multiple "voter suppression" tricksters are being independently funded.

  •  What in the hell is wrong with those people? (2+ / 0-)
    A Franklin & Marshall College Poll found 59 percent of Pennsylvanians support the voter ID law, while 39 percent oppose it.
    Seriously. They've either been propagandized into submission or there are a lot of stupid people living in Pennsylvania.

    It is time to #Occupy Media.

    by lunachickie on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:29:01 AM PDT

  •  Sue the State (1+ / 0-)
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    After reading this " On her third visit a PennDOT worker turned her down because her maiden name is on her birth certificate but her married name is on her Social Security documents."
     Its not her fault these state run organizations do not get it right. So Sue them. Lets make it a better state if they want to play that game..

  •  They were quick to drop this company... (2+ / 0-)
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    Amber6541, Meteor Blades

    ...because the Republicans are probably working 10 other ways to steal, or suppress, the vote that we DON'T yet know about.

    FoxNews seems to be laying the groundwork for the idea of "unexpected results" in Romney's favor.

  •  Tweet from Daily Edge: (0+ / 0-)

    Wall St posts big 3rd quarter gains in latest sign #Obama's Secret Kenyan European Socialist Muslim plan to destroy America may be failing


    by keeplaughing on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:37:24 AM PDT

  •  colo. registering only romney voters (4+ / 0-)

    SAC employee only registered Romney voters, caught on tape here lying that she worked for county:

    Also reported in Colo. of tearing up voter's registration.

    Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Mohandas K. Gandhi

    by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:52:55 AM PDT

  •  Changing your name on your Birth Cert? WTF? (0+ / 0-)
    On her third visit a PennDOT worker turned her down because her maiden name is on her birth certificate but her married name is on her Social Security documents.
    Umm... what an idiot!! I can't believe ANYONE would dare to say that to a married woman! Did he expect her to get the name on her Birth Certificate CHANGED to reflect her married status??

    Sounds like they have a hiring problem as well at PennDot.

    "I think it's the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately." -- George Carlin, Satirical Comic,(1937-2008)

    by Wynter on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 08:56:58 AM PDT

    •  Hiring and/or training. (0+ / 0-)

      I would seem that even most teenagers would know that most often a woman changes her name when she is married.  

      Umm... what an idiot!! I can't believe ANYONE would dare to say that to a married woman! Did he expect her to get the name on her Birth Certificate CHANGED to reflect her married status??
      Sounds like they have a hiring problem as well at PennDot.

      Mother Teresa: "If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other."

      by Amber6541 on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:02:30 AM PDT

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  •  Every suspected case of voter fraud this election (0+ / 0-)

    Season has been carried out by Republicans or republican leaning organizations. When will Fox news begin its breathless 24/7 coverage of these events? Oh right, never that's when.  

  •  the gop are correct (0+ / 0-)

    there is voter fraud going on in america and the gop are the ones doing it on a national basis, while there may be an instance here and there by an individual committing voter fraud the major voter fraud problem in america is carried out by the gop, if the gop can suppress votes from the opposition and add illegal votes to its total they can steal elections as they have in the past and try to remain a viable party.

    the courts are the only place the fascist gop can be stopped before they turn america into the white minority controlled nation they envision so they can continue to treat any citizen not to their liking with second class status. the gop obviously see the writing on the wall and will stop at nothing legal or illegal to hold on to power, ergo fascism.

  •  I wondering if these laws might backfire on the (1+ / 0-)
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    Republicans.  I read somewhere that older folks are reluctant to go into motor vehicle offices for fear of losing their driver's licences.

  •  I just received this weird email from (1+ / 0-)
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    JamieG from Md

    They include no details at all.  Is this a scam, or what?

    Subject: A powerful secret
    Dear MoveOn member,

    I think we may have just discovered the silver bullet that could help us win the whole election.

    Two weeks ago, we ran a secret test of a new voter turnout method in a state primary election. There were 170,000 voters in the study. We just got back the results, and our new method was 3.7 times more effective, dollar for dollar, than the best techniques used by campaigns today. Take a look at this simple chart:

    Making phone calls |=

    Sending mail       |=

    Going door-to-door |==

    OUR NEW METHOD     |=========
    Let me put that in perspective: Normally, we're delighted if we figure out something that gives us a 10% improvement. This test showed a 370% improvement.

    The challenge: We had no idea we'd get such great results, and to have everything ready in time, we need to commit by Monday!! Which means we have to raise a good portion of the entire $3 million budget by then. Arrgh!

    We're ALL better off when we're ALL better off!

    by susanWAstate on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:25:06 AM PDT

  •  Signatures ARE voter ID. I wish people would make (0+ / 0-)

    that argument more often. We already have good voter ID systems that are simple, cheap, and time tested. I'd like to see someone forge my signature and have it match the signature sheet that they check it against when I vote. That's one reason voter impersonation is virtually non-existent. It's a lot harder than it sounds.

    Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

    by tekno2600 on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:29:21 AM PDT

    •  In WA State, we mail in ballots (1+ / 0-)
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      But we have to sign the security envelope, so that's good enough ID.  The Republican efforts in swing states are totally voter suppression garbage, that are mostly, thankfully being tossed out by thinking judges.  And hopefully, we'll still have thinking judges in the future, if the Republican party dies soon enough.

      We're ALL better off when we're ALL better off!

      by susanWAstate on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 09:36:32 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, we've used mail-in ballots too here in (1+ / 0-)
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        Oregon...even longer than Washington :P But, as you say, that proves my point that a signature is a simple but very effective form of identification. So, the next time people say "we need voter IDs," we should tell them, we already have IDs: It's called signature verification. That's even stronger than a photo ID, because people can make fake IDs with photoshop, but if they have to sign a signature without having seen the original, there no way it's going to match.

        Just doing my part to piss off right wing nuts, one smart ass comment at a time.

        by tekno2600 on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 11:56:24 AM PDT

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  •  Talk About Skewed Polls! This F&M Poll Is WAY Off! (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not sure just where Franklin & Marshall College got it's poll sample, perhaps it was their ass, but a sample of PA with a racial breakdown of 91% White and 9% non-White, is way far right off of PA's 2008 demographics of 81% White and 19% non-White.

    If the best (R)money can do with such a sample is 39%, then don't be surprised if Obama wins PA by more than 11%. But as the poll dose not give the demographics of the Voter suppression ID law, I suspect that the 59% who claim they favor it represents the absolute outer limit of support. Perhaps if F&M had used a more representative sample, the support would have fallen below 50%.

    But even if the support was at 90%, civil rights should never be based on public opinion. And voting, in a democracy, is a fundamental civil right.

    I am not now, nor have I ever been, a member of the Republican Party.

    by OnlyWords on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:12:49 AM PDT

  •  MB, have you seen anything on Ohio early voting? (0+ / 0-)

    briefs and answers for the appeal were due by Sept. 27 on an "expedited" schedule, but I haven't seen any news about the appeals court's ruling. This story, in today's Columbus Dispatch says "Early-voting hours for Nov. 3, 4 and 5 are uncertain because they are subject to a lawsuit from President Barack Obama’s campaign, which is seeking to reinstate early voting for all voters on those days." As I understood it, Judge Economus' ruling reinstated early voting on Nov. 3-5. It's pretty plain language:

    IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that in-person early voting IS RESTORED on the three days immediately preceding Election Day for all eligible Ohio voters. And specifically, for the purposes of the 2012 General Election, this Order restores in-person early voting to all eligible Ohio voters on Saturday, November 3, 2012; Sunday, November 4, 2012; and Monday, November 5, 2012. This Court anticipates that Defendant Secretary of State will direct all Ohio elections boards to maintain a specific, consistent schedule on those three days, in keeping with his earlier directive that only by doing so can he ensure that Ohio’s election process is "uniform, accessible for all, fair, and secure."
    My guess is elections officials told the reporter that they don't know if they'll be open on those days. Pretty bold, thumbing one's nose at a federal judge.

    Reforms come from below. No man with four aces howls for a new deal.
    Keystone XL will raise gas prices!

    by Turbonerd on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 10:24:17 AM PDT

  •  i just watched fox totally minimize it while (0+ / 0-)

    attacking ACORN - amazing

    most of talk radio won't ever mention it

     fox has to but it's amazing what they did- it was one guy, who says it was some jokers, etc, all over now, and by the way 15 acorn workers were charged and four other dem workers too in another case.

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and partisan lying by broadcasting sports on Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sat Sep 29, 2012 at 01:41:44 PM PDT

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