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I don't do diaries well, but I do pay attention.  Tonight, I disregarded some serious local issues and tuned into the Presidential Debate.

What I am offering below is a comment that I offered via an extremely local Yahoo discussion group.  It came about as someone in that discussion group suggested that Obama didn't deserve election the first time around, and that Romney deserved election this time around, citing supposed facts (via a Dick Morris YouTube video no less) about the increasing national debt as well as deficit spending.

I answered those supposed facts, with other facts, and then had a "libertarian" in the group suggest that Gary Johnson was the only "fiscal conservative" and he wasn't given a seat at the table (I had to agree, sorry for any offended by that!)

If you made it this far, here are my "debate" thoughts offered immediately after tonight's debate, via that same extremely local Yahoo discussion group:

"As I originally suggested, Romney was the best debater in tonight's debate.  If I had to point out Obama's failure it was that he wasn't as aggressive as Romney.  He didn't know how to get the "last word" despite who got to answer first;  He didn't know how to use his "role" as "president" to his advantage.  

On the other hand, Romney himself was hands-down winning the debate until a moment around 10:16 tonight.  I cannot tell you at this particular moment in time what changed the tone of the debate, but it did change.  (Media will likely skip this moment in time, but me, an ordinary average American noted that time, because the tone changed and Romney missed a beat.)

One thing I would point out is Romney's repeated suggestion about how wonderful Massachusetts is because of his governorship, whether it be health care, education, income etc., and this with the 87% Democratic leadership in that "state's" congress.  Romney was actually a "liberal Republican" with a state Congress that demanded he be a liberal Republican.

It is personally noted by me that Obama hasn't had the luxury of 87% democratic leadership at any point during his administration with a US Congress.

It is also noted that Massachusetts is one of the highest taxed states in the entire union of the USA.  Any accomplishments for the State of Massachusetts in education, health care, and the like, should be viewed with that thought in mind. "

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Before some of you attack me for noting the high taxes in the State of Massachusetts, please realize that my comments above are offered in the thought of having a serious conversation with extremely local (and I mean local) residents who are for the most part conservative Republicans.

At this point in time, I have had absolutely no responses to my post on that Yahoo group.

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  •  Romney didn't just win (3+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, need pr, LtdEdishn

    He dominated from wire to wire.

    •  Did he? (0+ / 0-)

      I don't know anything about wire to wire.  Personally, I watched this debate without any pre-media coverage on any news programs.

      The debate itself was watched by me on C-Span simply because I dislike talking heads.

      When I suggest that feel something changed in the tone of the debate at around 10:16, it is because I felt it.

      Later on, given the time, I will re-watch the debate (again without watching any mainstream media coverage.)  

      I will say the moderator did a terrible job in moderating this debate.  The 2 minutes that opened the line of questioning took up more than 16 minutes.  While I like giving a bit of free rein in debates, Romney dominated while the moderator diddled.  

  •  I thought Romney was a trainwreck (1+ / 0-)
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    LtdEdishn

    and that's considering that Obama was pretty subdued.

    I'd make it a tie at least...not to worry... fact checkers are doing their job...let's see what the next few days bring before we say Obama failed.

    "In the depth of winter I finally learned that there was in me an invincible summer."- Albert Camus

    by valadon on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 08:30:53 PM PDT

    •  I don't think Obama failed... (1+ / 0-)
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      valadon

      please don't take my comments for anything other than what they were.  My own personal reaction to the debate offered in a forum outside of this one.  That forum was a local, and I mean extremely local community Yahoo group with a mix of political viewpoints.

      This rare diary from me was titled the way it was because I question who "won".  Honestly, for this first debate, in my opinion, Romney did dominate   That doesn't mean I believe he won.

      If anyone on this site really wants some insight, I hope I offered a little.

  •  CNN Upper 60's romney 20's Obama, another (1+ / 0-)
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    LtdEdishn

    diary.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Oct 03, 2012 at 08:33:32 PM PDT

  •  I think it depends on if you really care about the (1+ / 0-)
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    LtdEdishn

    words coming out of their mouths.  Personally , I don't

    The middle class is getting squeezed in vice.

    I think President Obama, to what extend he can impact it  will tighten that vice less then Romney.

    Having said that I would prefer not having to vote for either of them.

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